Meet The Press: McCain to Brokaw: I reject your objective measures of reality and substitute my own
When confronted by Tom Brokaw with the daunting poll numbers that show Senator Obama leads him (by double digits) on the issue of taxes, health care, economy, and the housing crisis, John McCain comes out and simply denies that that's what the polls say and, indeed, that polls really mean anything -- well, except for the one he agrees with.
"I don't agree with their conclusion that I'm down eleven or twelve of fourteen points, whatever it is. There's a Zogby poll showing us three or four points behind. If you to continue to refer to poll I disagree with, I have to start our conversation by saying, 'I don't agree with that.' We're closing and we have been closing."
A wise man once said:
"But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in 'reality'. And reality has a well-known liberal bias."
Anybody think his appearance made any difference anywhere?
Oh, and Bidlack!
was changed. People have heard it all before and have made their decision.
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Adolf Hitler
His senility was kicking in with the question on Colin Powell. McLame couldn't remember who supported him, it was very embarrassing. That should of lost him a couple of million votes.
Is it the 21st century yet?
The point he was trying to make,(which I guessed most of you missed) is that their are several polls out there that show different numbers.
Once again the point has been made that polls really don't matter. He is right when he says there are several polls that show things are very close and there are polls that show things not close... so is one poll correct and another not? Nope, polls really just don't matter.
Why is McShame given the entire program to push his distortions unchallenged? When does Obama get to be on?
I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so.....
This is NBC, remember? They're owned by GE. Brokaw is a McCain supporter.
In their mind, Obama will have a big teevee ad on later, so this is "parity"--even though McCain got his airtime for free.
I say, let him have it. He booted his chance, as usual.
Just wonderin'...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I think O'Reilly hates MSNBC because of Olbermann and Maddow. Regular NBC isn't so great.
Mathematics, never mind probability theory, the basis for all polling, was never your strong suit. How many cars? How many planes? How many future years in Iraq? $150,000,000,000 in earmarks for the bailout? Face reality and admit that you have no idea what reality is.
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
He has Diebold and voter caging to make up the difference.
He might as well have said "I don't care what the American People are saying, My people are working on the election machines."
While polls might not be very accurate, they do reflect the views of those who are polled. Now if polls are taken in churchs, you'd probably have polls that showed palin leading mccain (lower case intentional).
McCain can say this because he thinks the RNC will steal this election for him just like they've stolen the previous two. And they're trying--see the White House's attempt to sic the DOJ on Ohio yesterday.
So the Keystone Kops are on McCain's side, but the true "money-power" brokers aren't behind McCain. They don't like him. He thinks they'll do for him what they did for Bush, but I'm not so sure this time.
He didn't remember the names of the Secy's of State supporting him, either. It's 'facts', you know. Reality is what you think the .1% richest are.
Delusional Thinking.
It's what Republicans do best.
...it's just throwin' shit at the cam, the mike, at whoever's listening and see if you can make it sound enough like you know what you're talking about that some of it'll stick. And stick it does--more and more, to themselves. Smell's gettin' pretty bad, ain't it?
WebCam
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/webcam/in...
Crowds gather for Obama visit -Live blogging
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/oc...
Thanks for that webcam link. It's fun to check in ever few minutes and see how the crowd has grown.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Is that the old Netscape logo on the tab? What a flashback to the Clinton years!
this election, just like the last two. That's why they're disputing the polls and telling everyone he's the "Comeback Kid." That way, when they do steal it, they'll point to the couple of polls that showed him leading and say, "See? We told ya so. We also told he's the Comeback Kid." I saw one poll that said McCain was ahead 77-22 among white voters age 18-24. WTF??
If they do steal it, I hope people take to the streets like they did in Ukraine and Georgia during the so-cxalled "Color Revolutions." I'd hate to the only one out there.
Thats why he keeps plugging 'it'll be a late night' on election night and has also limited press availability for press night. Legal challenges are gonna fly from the McCain campaign like an explosion on election night.
and a 5gal. can of gas, leftover from my hurricane supply kit, at the ready.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
when I read your post. Either you have no idea what the "Color Revolutions" were or you're a "guilty by association troll."
S/he's saying s/he'llbe out there demonstrating with you.
What's trollish about that?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I wasn't talking about violence. Gasoline and pitchforks? Yeah right. Massive peaceful protests are what I was talking about.
Have you ever dealt with the "guilt-by-association" trolls? They act like Dems then say things that make Dems look bad, thereby making the real Dems look bad by association.
He just give up and go take a nap or something he looked pathetic on that show, I loved it when they showed him approving Bush's agenda, this man is pathetic no credibility at all, his finished
http://barackobamacans.blogspot.com/
all three South Florida major newspapers endorsed Obama today including the Miami Herald. Hopefully this "toss-up state" will be pure blue soon.
Here's the up-to-date list if anyone is interested:
http://www.demconwatchblog.com/2008/09/presid...
"A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life."....Muhammad Ali
Either American voters are still the stupidest in the world or they're not. Which is it?
We'll see, on Nov 5, I reckon. I am not optimistic...
It's one thing if your glass is half full.
But full of what, John?
GeeDubya Bush and his folksy dipshittedness has been Prez for the last 8 years and he was basically written off by almost EVERYONE. He STILL had enough support to steal a second term. This for a man that was without a doubt the worst president in US history. I would not be surprised at all to hear.........President John McCain after the election. The entire world, and the Dems in general, thought it impossible for Bush to win a second term. History says what?
We saw the impossible coming in 2004 a couple weeks out. The polls then are different than the polls now. This lead should be too big to steal.
If it is stolen, Missouri will be the pivot state, like Ohio and Florida before.
Obama will campaign with President Clinton this last week to finish them off.
This is great stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE&eurl
What Zogby poll is McCain talking about? The latest Zogby show Obama with a substantial lead of almost 10 points. Roughly the same lead five days before that. Almost a week ago it was 3 points. So its hardly closing
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1608
The polls are so close, it seems that the Dems have a reasonable chance of getting to sixty in the Senate. A very reputable site models a 30% chance of a filibuster proof Senate. (Look in the right column just a little bit down from the top in the Senate Scorecard section.) While we clearly need a radical change from the path we have been on. We have to be careful to remember that absolute power corrupts absolutely. We saw it happen and there is no reason to think it could not happen again.
At the same time, not every Democrat will vote the same on every issue because we know that the Democrats are comprised of a variety of constituent groups, each with their own concerns while being intensely patriotic. However we can be assured that a Democratic Congress and President will do what is necessary to protect the individuals in this country while providing a means for a healthy, productive and meaningful existence. The Republicans focus was not on the individual, but rather on the monied interests.
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Adolf Hitler
Here is our collective real "reality" -- Link --
Okay-Okay, It's Noam Chomsky - And I also know that the people that really need to see it, won't.
But, even if only you choir members see it, then fine.
It is a very recent theRealnews! video (2 parts, ~11 mins each) interview.
Maybe a few of you could get some of your less far gone friends/family to see it?
Very quickly McCain answered 'no' then moved on just as quickly when asked if he agreed with Rush that the Powell endorsement was all about race.
This is where I think McCain needs to be confronted on, to what degree is he in agreement with the element of his supporters who are his supporters almost solely based on bigotry.
Show him or Palin some of the numerous vid clips of their supporters spouting there hate and ask "Are these your real Americans? Are they patriots? Are the the people whose support you want?"
I'd say the polls were wrong too. In fact, I'd even deny this post, which, as you can see, I am clearly not posting. So I don't care what the numbers say, or an IP address, or whatever, heh heh, I couldn't agree more, I mean disagree with you, I mean, well, in a few weeks I should sober up and we'll see.
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I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
Adolf Hitler
Those 11 percent of likely voters who are still open to "changing their minds" might benefit from a few DNC ads this week reminding them of McCain's age, his temper, and his lack of emotional intelligence. Otherwise, Obama could see his leads evaporate overnight.
it's kind of fun to watch mccain when he's asked questions following videos of him supporting BUSH's
voting record and being against the BUSH tax cuts before he decided to be for them. brokaw also
mentioned the god REAGAN and how he raised taxes during/immediately following a recessionary period.
mccain was NOT ready for that.......he about turned green.
Maybe he has reason to be confident. There's still those damnable electronic voting machines. I voted Thursday last, in Texas early voting, at my branch of the library. Not only was there no paper trail, unless you counted the one stuck to my shoe since I went to the can first, but what you turned in was a card. Ther was no way of visually checking what you did short of the display screen.
And although Diebold has changed it's name, the machines clearly said Diebold.
But it is Texas, and the odds are we're still Yellow Dog Republicans.
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I don't think he sounded confident at all, though. All his denials of reality sounded tired and unconvincing.
...only a flesh wound!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
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Apropos “The Black Knight ALWAYS triumphs! Have at you!” – Funny.
Is McCain's rejection of Brokaw's objective measures of reality anything like Palin's "I will not answer your questions?" They just keep on doing what they want and believing what they want.
McCain has an obvious "tell" when he's lying.
He blinks a lot? Close...
No,we know he's lying when he forms vowel sounds and they issue forth from his cake hole.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
who they're going to vote for. Let the polls commence. If the election is not stolen, it should go to Obama. If it goes to McCain, be very careful the next time you go outside - the rioting and violence is going to be extreme. People have had enough.
I hope you are right we have let them run rough shod over us long enough. It's time to give them whatthey keep begging for!
closing up, shutting down, and going away, if we're lucky.
I had a choice this morning, I could go out to breakfast or watch Meet the Press. I chose to miss the press and had a great breakfast.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I'm trying to talk my friend into brunch with a few mimosas. Ha!
You didn't miss anything on MTP that you can't pick up in highlights right here on C&L!!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
This Ironic Interview ..... McCain's 41st annv. of being shot down conducted in Waterloo, Ia.
The operative question for Johnny is whether or not he will be a guest on the new Palin Fox TV reality show.
I know it's a bad gauge but you gotta look somewhere - When David Frum, pundit - NeoCon extraordinaire - National Review lead bias-generator - leading Neonut activist for blowing up the world - and overall leading fact denier - says basically "you suck"...you're done...ESPECIALLY if it's in the Washington Post....HA!
Read it for your selves....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
McCain exhibits the same assured smugness here that Bush showed when informed that Florida had been declared for Gore in 2000. Beware.
Obama's team is not the bunch to let krap like that pass without a peep. Obama lectured in Constitutional Law. He knows what CAN be done in the courts--and he knows HOW TO DO IT. If there's one thing you can bet your soul on, it's that Obama & Co are very well-versed on election law and its attenuates. They're watching EVERYTHING. Count on it.
And, in a related note, what a refreshing change--the idea that we could have a president who is a constitutional scholar rather than a constitutional vandal.
Well put.
It actually fits pretty well, doesn't it? A small-minded little cretin destroying what he is incapable or understanding or appreciating ; i.e., the U. S. Constitution. cf. the Wikipedia entry on Vandals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals
How sad but so true.
republicans have ruined the American economy.
I listened to mcsame on meet the press this morning talking about why corporations would go someplace with lower taxes rather then stay in America.
Well I say that these corporate people are not American! If these people go someplace else to set up manufacturing plants then their products if allowed in America should be charged very high fees. Why should we care about some corporation like halliburton when it won't pay American taxes and moves to dubia?
They have shown they care not for America why should we care for them?
Let them live with whatever happens to them in Dubia and never spend one dollar or waste one life protecting these unpatriotic people.
If they don't put America first then we should not even recognise they exist!
Gramps is definitely on a roll. He is now rolling through "LaLa Land", and he's about to start seeing little naked cherubs dancing in the clouds.
ONCE a man of integrity....now a shallow, pathetic, mixed up old loser. It's what happens, eventually, when you sell your soul to the devil. (Believe that one evangelicals??)
Did you read the Rolling Stone article?
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/233169...
Read that and then get back to me about "man of integrity."
The day after the election:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
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You must camp out at the tube or have a very good memory. Thanks!
Ectually I only watch movies on Saturday night, but have difficulty remembering them by Sunday morning.
I have to get up at 4:45 everyday, and have a three hour round trip to a job that underpays me.
But I'm a big fan of Mel and Monty, as for Woody...
Meh...
(Although I still like Sleepers, Bananas, and his was the only good scene in that endurance contest 60's "comedy" Casino Royale, although I did like David Nivens and Peter Sellers as James Bond.)
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I'm so glad i'm retired and out of all that. But here, I ride my motorcycle like the rest of Chiang Mai or just take a tuk-tuk if I dont want to ride the bike.
I got a kick out the quote from Adam Savage on Mythbusters: "I reject your objective measures of reality and substitute my own" in the title. I think the American people are beginning to do their own mythbusting of McCain - even if the networks tread too carefully to do their job.
The corporate owned TV media does not have reporters.
Only telepromter readers that are highly paid to read whatever is put in front of them no matter if it is true or not.
You cannot trust these people ever!
How true,and thoes 'ear pieces' tell them what to say like a puppet. Sorry Mr. "President to be" Obama,I know we shouldn't count our chickens before they hatch,but I can't help myself: " IT'S OVER!!!"....for mc same and moose girl too. All American will run this country,not just the rich,so get use to it. There,I said it...lol.
We came in 36th this year--up from 48th last year because we released some journalists from prison who were covering Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess it helps that we haven't bombed any hotels full of journalists in awhile.
Anyway, Google it.
I also approve Silent Patriot's paraphrase of Adam Savage.
Now is it advocating violence to want McCain and Palin to do testing normally assigned to Buster?
Divine Right of Kings (1600's); Divine Right of Corporations (2011)
What does anyone expect from the Manchurian Candidate?
When you click on the comment bubble for the most recent post it takes you to the video cafe and there is no place for comments there. The hampster on the comments wheel fell asleep again.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
It shows the Vid-Cafe URL down below.
(on re-reading what I just wrote it looks like I was talking dirty .. LOL)
Right on 'pop' and 'bb', so I'll comment here. This will be the fun part,watching these neocons lick their wounds,whine,cry foul,make excuses....ahhhh pure pleasure. Ratings are ADVERTISING MONEY....I want to see advertisers and the discusted people drop the hate mongers.
Hehe...
I tried to get a tuk-tuk from a bar last night. Got slapped down - as usual.
Maverick - the new personality disorder!
And talk and talk and talk and talk and TALK. Him and the sow in lipstick. The more they blather the better Obama looks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZOxBygB6zs
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against Brokaw, who was just trying to play "gotcha" with the poll numbers. Putz.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
..no, I don't seem to be able to recall...is that L-O-T-T?
We wouldn't be having all these "problems"...you know, "democracy"!
...Everything is defined as a win.
is a good one.
Someone should inform Lott that Mc Grumpy is holding his own---noose around his neck by disconnecting from reality.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Anyone else think it sounded a bit off to have McCain hammer Obama over Obama's desire for fairness?
no.
from the perspective of convincing Americans to vote for you I don't think accusing someone of wanting economic 'fairness' is smart.
...you are asking a level of sophistication and strategic decision-making that, so far, has not been represented in the McCain campaign. It seems a little late to expect that level of analysis at this point.
With the tagline: McCain against fairness.
The Eff-You Brothers
One of my favrite movies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwBRBa5AyKY
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Whoever posted that--THANK YOU. It's one of my all-time favorite movies--and endings. I always cry and cry and cry.
How I hope--how I hope...
Good Movie - scared me as I watched the clip just now though.
All I could see is McCain dropping the milk ("I'm so tired..."), and Sarah Palin getting up out of the chair.
Well, for one thing, Gene Tierney's makeup is so much better..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzSpOXyylws
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if you can't get 'im one way...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7oGGP0BWYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtEk3e2T-nM
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"Problems? What problems?"
What scares me is what if he knows something we don't know. Remember how unworried Bush looked waiting for results when they had rigged so many precincts? Remember the last minute Bin Laden tapes?
We are already hearing about voter suppression and malfunctioning machines. Maybe McCain KNOWs he's going to win.
I don't trust the system anymore.
After these last years, why does anyone still think the Republicans can sort out Iraq?
.............I hear this worthless, 3 months in combat, adulterer use the expression..."we're both Mavericks".........I'm gonna hurl.......
How can he say this with humility?
Oh great! All this country needs is one more leader who trusts his gut or "voices from God" over hard facts and reality. Talk about someone in serious denial.
"looked into his eyes"--Remember Putin? "looked deep into his eyes..."?
Where the fuck did we get these people??
It's not as if I expected him to say, "Yes, I am behind, losing, and I should concede right now."
"If the US government enforced its banking laws like it did its park regulations, we wouldn't be
in this damn park in the first place." OCCUPY.!!
kinda off topic - maybe not -
Did anyone else notice that MTP had North Carolina labeled as Virginia on their maps the first couple times?
..how many people in the United States (under the age of, say 25) would know the difference. Just kinda thinkin' out loud.
"Wet-start" johnny has been licking the kristol toad again, stay above the waist line johnny, the effects are not as strong.-CEO,citizens,eyes,open
A scene from another Michael Curtiz directed movie, which always recurred to me during the anti-frog movement in America:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYbEPZVVIA
Another that's got me through 7 1/2 years of boosh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GOe5SUlPPY
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...yer a nut, but I like your politics and your taste in movies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVKUap1HgU
Growing up watching earlier versions of things like this
Has made me need thick glasses
And have hairy palms
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
...you mean you get off on...Paul Heinreid leading the band playing La Marseillaise?
Kinky dude.
Yah I got thick glasses too.
you are MAD.
http://msa4.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/alfre...
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The "Les Marseillaise" scene is one of my favorites from any movie. Still give me chills.
Those were some sick Frenchman back in the 1790's though. They've toned down the lyrics since. Ever read the translations?
http://marseillaise.org/english/others.html
Bloodthirsty.
...they had plenty of reason to be PISSED. Reasons not all that dissimilar to what we've been living with. I personally bless God that we can use an Obama instead of a Guillotine...altho'--I admit it--sometimes I fantasize about public executions...
I fantasize about public whippings.
http://static.flickr.com/72/195282062_248830b...
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I realize Brokaw can't be expected to mention a couple of key questions and results buried deep in his own network's poll that have never seen the light of day in a press release because he's a television hand puppet...but the mystery is why didn't McCain bring them up?
NBC/WSJ Poll [PDF]
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/W...
23. Who do you think would be better when it comes to...
Being a good commander-in-chief?
McCain_50
Obama_32
Being knowledgable and experienced enough to handle the presidency?
McCain_49
Obama_27
Those "might" be interesting questions and response results to discuss now that several well-regarded polling services show Obama with only a 4 or 5 point lead going into the final 9 days of the campaign...
...and also since Obama consistently had a 6-14 point lead in the polls over Hillary Clinton, yet Hillary Clinton finished up the nomination process with almost 290,000 more votes than Obama got...
[[Zogby 3-4 points? Closing?
Sun, 10/26/2008 - 09:38 — galmud
What Zogby poll is McCain talking about? The latest Zogby show Obama with a substantial lead of almost 10 points. Roughly the same lead five days before that. Almost a week ago it was 3 points. So its hardly closing]]
Your link is for Saturday. Here is a link that shows Sunday’s Zogby poll result and several others. So, for Sunday morning, McCain was technically correct about Obama's lead being "3-4 points and closing in the latest Zogby poll".
It's also 3-6 points and closing in several others.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm#track
Gallup Daily Tracking, among likely voters (traditional method)
Obama_+5 (narrowing from the day before)
Daily Kos Tracking Poll
Obama_+6 (narrowing from the day before)
GWU Battleground Poll
2-Way Ballot (McCain vs Obama only)
Obama_+3 (narrowing from the day before)
4-Way Ballot (Barr and Nader included)
Obama_+3 (narrowing from the day before)
IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll
Obama_+3 (narrowing from the day before)
Reuters/C-Span/Zogby Tracking Poll
Obama_+4 (narrowing from the day before)
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