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Well you see Susie, Mika and Joe Scarborough are experts in every field. They know more about everything than anyone in any field. Sen Boxer may think she knows what she's talking about, but it must be run by Joe and Mika to see if she does. No matter who they have on their show, they try to show they know more about the subject than their guest does.
Seriously, I love Senator Boxer and how she handles herself, especially in this situation. She doesn't take any bs from anyone.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
One of my favorites. There have been few who could rise to her level. If Pat Schroeder had become a Senator I think she would have been on the same level.
I meant to add Marcy Kaptur to the list of women who would make great Senators.
and the Morning Joe parroted GOP talking points. I would like to believe the direction is good too but I am stunned at the level of politics as usual talking points now. Too many people are just simply getting behind their respective parties pitches and not thinking for themselves.
Objectivity has been replaced with party line support, there has not been a single good explanation presented by anyone, ANYONE, explaining how adding debt to debt is good. How stimulating an economy with money we don't have is good. Even Boxer didn't, instead she simply rests her coat on her what she learned in college without qualification.
I have made this point again and again and all I have gotten back are quick snide quips or links to articles with a short sentiment like here read this and so I do hoping to see a cogent explanation by someone who will detail exactly how going deeper into debt is going to help solve our $15 trillion national debt or our $53 trillion obligation time bomb. There is not one good detailed rationalization for doing what were doing.
This morning I read an interesting post by Greg Hunter who does investment commentaries who made an interesting observation.
No one likes to hear doom and gloom, but let’s make sure were not fooling ourselves on the road to hope.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I suggest you look up Keynesian Economics (it is on Wikipedia). Now, this is the rational for using spending in order to head off a depression. It is not an explanation of "how going deeper into debt is going to help solve our $15 trillion national debt or our $53 trillion obligation time bomb". This very well may be a problem, but it is not the problem we are trying to solve.
Out and out government spending did lift us out of the Depression, although it took much bigger spending to finally end it (WWII). We also ran up incredible debt during that period, then paid it off during the economic boom that followed. This is all well documented; you may not want to believe it, but that is what the President and Congress are doing. The Republicans are tying their fortunes to having this strategy fail, but they are going to be really unhappy if it does, along with the rest of us.
I've offered that line of argument. VegasRage is anti-Keynesian, bouncing between pre-Keynesian and Austrian School voodoo.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
They have been utterly answerless, not Krugman, Roubini, not anyone. You call it the “Austrian School voodoo” Please explain how and why an insolvent nation going deeper into debt to solve its debt problem is good?
Which school is using voodoo?
Why did Obama consult Robert Rubin’s who recently resigned as head of Citigroup on the verge of collapse receiving $45 billion in bail-out?
Why did he appoint Larry Summers to director of the White House National Economic Council and Timothy Geithner, former head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to be his Secretary of Treasury? All these men were members of Clinton’s economic team and played a part in repealing the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933! That act forbade banks from selling investments such as the derivatives we have all come to know and hate? In case you didn’t know the Glass-Steagal Act was created during the last depression to separate savings banks and which had access to FED funds from investment banks that did not. Clinton, Rubin, Summers, and Geithner succeeded in repealing the act to legitimize the formation of Citigroup.
It was their incompetence that caused the mess we are now in and now its accepted conventional wisdom for these detestable corrupt idiots to fix it?!? They helped accelerate the sale of derivatives, what Warren Buffet called “weapons of mass financial destruction!” Meanwhile the Austrian school preaching sound money and fiduciary responsibility is marginalized and reduced to a talking point as voodoo economics?
This is a formula for disaster and an exercise in stupidity that will play itself out; the foxes are in the hen house and telling you trust them. It’s so simple yet common sense once again has been thrown out the window. How odd the Democrats were asking Bush where the hell he was going to get the money for his two no-plan wars but now that we are deficit spending even larger amounts of money for nobler causes suddenly the question no longer applies? WTF? How exactly is that intelligent?
Again, we were promised details of the "bad asset" program today! We were told Tuesday a week ago, then it was pushed to today so as not to "overshadow" the President's speech last night. WHERE ARE THEY!? The market has a nice advance this afternoon. When it became apparent no details were coming again, the market TANKED, falling by nearly three percent in twenty minutes.
Were getting smoke blown up our ass people, wake up!
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
I'm sorry to laugh but listen to what you just said.
The problem is debt, foreign debt. That is the problem causing all the issues. But we're going to fix a problem that is not THE PROBLEM, in fact what we're fixing is making THE PROBLEM even bigger. This is NOT a credit crisis, people seem to forget CREDIT=DEBT. We are up to eye balls in debt to countries like Japan, Saudi Arabia, and China and all our deficit spending requires their acquiescence, China has been warning us for some time to not look to them much longer. We won't get anymore out of Japan or Saudi Arabia or any other country for that matter.
WWII lifted us out of the depression, the spending before that did not. We also held the debt of nations then and had large reserves of assets and we were the largest exporter in the world. Today all of that is the opposite. Paul Krugman is going to have some rough interviews in a few years explaining how he could have been so wrong, Keynesian Economics is lunacy.
I'm well aware of the pro's and cons of Keynesian_Economics, I would recommend you read it, specifically the criticisms are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_Econom...
Funny it was people like Jim Rogers, Marc Faber, Peter Schiff, Robert Kiyosaki, Richard Duncan, Ron Paul. All of whom are being called fringe Austrian School of voodoo economics while those who didn’t see it coming such as Krugman are being lauded for their wonderful insight into the problem.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
It was deregulation. More precisely it was the deregulation that allowed the trade in CDOs and CDSs.
And all of those economists and traders that you keep referencing are laissez faire, "invisible hand" thinkers. It doesn't matter if there's a gold standard, fiat currency, a Federal reserve, etc., etc., if you allow the amount of risk-taking that was going on for the last 8-9 years.
So bully for Peter Schiff predicting the collapse a few years ago- but why in the hell weren't these assholes screaming out against deregulation at the end of Clinton's last term?
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
I talk about the idiots who helped deregulate us into this mess, they are the same ones Obama is now trusting for good advise to fix it.
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/barbar...
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
Paul Krugman The Hangover Theory
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
The word bubble appears only twice in the entire story towards the bottom. It's not good times that cause crashes it's overly or falsely inflated prices that cause bubbles and markets to correct, our problem though is larger.
Our currency is being debased, history has shown again and again (over 3800 times) currencies get debased and fail as a result of government engaging in deficit spending, the leading reason, expensive prolonged wars.
What did Bush do? Lower taxes and spend spend spend money we didn't have. We haven't even paid off the Vietnam War yet. No doubt some will point to social programs consuming more of the budget but if you look at caring for our vet's, that add a huge post war expense in there.
Goodnight, Frau Blücher
do things they way Barbara Boxer does it. I would just go off on susie and joe. Something like, look Bitch, you are nothing nore than a repug hack, you think you are an expert on every thing. You think you are Hot Shit, What you are is a cold Tird on a paper plate!
screw the mindless, talking-point-spewing POS
Some stuff you can't make up!
America is clearly overburdened with morons. They are a loud, uneducated group of people who live by one slogan: Taxes Are Bad. No matter the situation, taxes are bad, because government is bad. They’ve now gone as far as to start two glorious wars and combined them with some juicy tax cuts, because, if you are going to spend over a trillion dollars, by all means don’t pay for it. They’ve ruined our country with fiscal irresponsibility and they’d like to fix that – with tax cuts. They created a mythological character named Reagan and now they would very much like to follow him to the bottom of the sea. The only problem is, they are going to take the rest of us with them.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Lewis Black lights them up!
Some stuff you can't make up!
He always tells it like it is. He needs his own show like The Daily Show, instead of that crappy show he has.
I used to think...my God, Lewis calm down. You're gonna have a stroke; but last year when I truly didn't think I could stand one more minute of the 8 year debacle that was Bush and his bunch I got a chance to see a man who knows righteous anger and had a forum to say what needed to be said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze7mPYW9lk4&fe...
She doesn’t have any feelings about this subject or any other subject, for that matter. She does however have questions. Questions supplied to her by Rush the Lardo.
Of course she has feelings about this subject. He feeling are exactly what Joe says they are.
How did Joe keep his fat gob shut through that interview?
far left loon >.<
what type of education any of these fools have? Do they have degrees in economics? Political Science? Anything at all, that would give them any kind of credibility? When will these idiots also need to prove that they are "highly qualified" just as was demanded of teachers with NCLB?
Boxer said she was an economics major. I would hesitate to argue with someone with that sort of background, but that didn't stop Mika. That just shows how ignorant she is and how her ego will lead her where she shouldn't go.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
I hate the way Wingers hide behind the claim of "just asking a question" while assuming the Republican lieing points in their phrasing.
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
They often have interesting guests on that show, but as soon as the guest begins to speak Joe or Pat or Mika begin talking over them and all of a sudden the spot is over and we haven't heard three full sentences from the guest. Such a waste. If the crew would check their egos at the door and calm down a little, they would have a much better show.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Well Mika's dad sure let Joe know how he felt.
It's fine to ask questions, but she was making long partisan speeches she justified by putting a question mark on the end.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
They usually put forth some ridiculous statement, which they end up with a question mark... even when the statement is not written in question but affirmative form.
It seems the question mark is the deniability tool of choice of these vermin.
That "should" should be "sound"
Honey, when you use formulations like "throwing money at..." you have feelings.
According to wiki, Mika majored in English and Joe is a lawyer.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
an English major is eminately qualified to discuss economic issues. I would love to see the day that these clowns would be only allowed to talk about what their degree says they actually have studied. Kind of like teachers. You can't teach a class you haven't majored or minored in. Kind of sounds like a no-brainer, right? So when can we expect "journalists", commentators, pundits, etc...to talk only about what they know?
...Mika could just run the bloody interview and not actually try to engage someone who is far and away her better with regards to the subject at hand. Let's say for the sake of argument that she has great skill and talent as it relates to being co-host on Scar's show: it doesn't mean that she should pretend to be an expert on everything. It just seems clear that she is channeling talking points when she tries to correct Babs.
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
Why shouldn't she act like an expert in everything
I do.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"You should very ideological this morning, if I might say." All positions, policies and executive orders are grounded in an ideology whether it be political or economic and those same ideologies, as do all other ideologies (e.g., religious) demand passivity on the part of the citizen or adherent. Democracy, because it is grounded in humanism, is not an ideology as it constantly strives to find a balance or equilibrium that, at base, is directed toward the establishment, maintenance and nurturing of the common good. Ideologies hamstring the citizen while ethical pragmatism frees the populace to act rationally, calmly and reflectively.
"Secular humanism -- a fearless, realistic world view replete with doubt and scepticism that attempts to attain an unachievable state of equilibrium between and among the human qualities of reason, intuition, imagination, memory, ethics and common sense.
All ideologies are the striving for the democratic ideal.
And it makes perfect sense, in a very complex way.
IO would remind you that this was a very effective corporate media strategy in '93. The result of the corporate media effort was the election of '94.
Obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire and trust me, that affects everyone of those talking heads. They are angry their taxes are going to up, but not really, because I think they will be at a rate BEFORE Bush gave them a break.
That's what President Obama said, they will go back to what they were during the Clinton years. Of course a lot of these people are making a lot more today than they were during the Clinton years.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
then I guess they will have to pay a lot more taxes than they did during the Clinton n years.
Time now for the greedy to pay the piper for cheer-leading on an irresponsible president and an irresponsible political party.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
If you accuse the piper of vagrancy
You can jail him.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
see my note below.
Is it any wonder these guys are spewing venom? They might actually have to contribute their fair share.
Also wanted to add: I'll take a bailout economy any day over a non-economy.
"I worry that..." you certainly do have feelings on the matter.
And is America "built on a careful balance between success and failure"? Where does it say in the Constitution that we should not care about people who've failed? That's the Republican's demented vision of our country: sink or swim.
I'm so freakin' tired of the partisan interview formula in the States. Why the hell can't we have objective interviews with informed journalists who hold their feet to the fire, rather than opinionated shout downs?
By the way, is there any way we can have interviewers who DON'T fall into the top 2% of incomes, who have a vested interest in protecting their own greedy money?
Republicans are all about religion and yet they say, Hey, pull yourself up by your boot straps. Democrats are all about freedom of and from religion, yet they are more apt to help their fellow man. Funny how that works.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
You've hit the nail on the proverbial head right here. Democrats have come to symbolize honor and reaching out to fellow man; Republiscum have come to symbolize Big Greed, Fatcats, and to hell with everyone else. This is precisely why soon there will no Republican party. It's sinking faster than the titanic and their "heir apparent" Mr. Mannequin Jindal just blew their "last best hope" last night. It's now over - they are out of talent, out of character, and $hit out of luck now.
Will anyone throw them a live preserver? They're obviously going down for the 3rd time.
Well Jesus was a liberal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv7SttbcHIk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
No one I know wastes their time with Big Fat Joe and Mika, his cartoon sidekick. They're sycophantic media whores extraordinaire! Give them the heave today. Spend your time more constructively than listening to their total drivel and propaganda.
The thing is they often have very interesting guests who I would like to hear speak. Trouble is when these guests are on, they never get to really speak. I keep hoping their producer will tell the "gang" to STFU and let the guests do what they came on the show to do.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
AMEN
This IS the kernel of belief and truth at the very heart of the GOP worldview. It is transmitted to us via every millionaire TV talker as they reinforce the 'correctness' of the decision to hire them in the eyes of their paymasters. The framing of the questions as ideological commentary, the unquestioned assumption that 'conservative' ideas/viewpoints are majority ideas, the great lie that they represent the spirit of journalistic inquiry motivated by a desire to inform and enlighten their audience - all of it is expensively produced political theater intended to promote the agenda of the elite.
Mika is there to service Joe, that is her main job. Everytime I have seen her talk, her head is always bobbing up and down in a very sensuous manner. I think she is probably earning her money whether she says anything or not. Come to think of it , I like her a lot better when she keeps her mouth shut
She makes little female noises ever so often that sort of make me think she is having tiny orgasms.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Wed, 02/25/2009 - 17:02 — southernman748
Mika is there to service Joe, that is her main job... Come to think of it, I like her a lot better when she keeps her mouth shut
Around what?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
See this is a perfect example. With so many brilliant, talented women around, why did MSNBC have to hire someone whose only skill appears to be wearing clothes one size too small and titilating men of a certain age?
This is the woman who stated on air that she was subservient to her husband. I could almost hear 100 thousand penises rising to attention. "I'm subservient" = "wouldn't you love to see me on my knees? I know I love being on them". And men got the message loud and clear.
That's what she's there for. She's a complete moron, who is nothing but a bobble head. But she's paid a God-awful amount of money, and is representative of women in mainstream media. thanks for nothing Mika!
That's a handy rhetorical fallback point, but just as false as the original ideological statements, "throwing money at the problem...becoming a bailout economy...careful balance that our country is built on between success and failure," etc.
Alex Trebeck would never have let her get away with that - she'd have lost her money and the other players would have had a go at the question.
"In theory theory and practice are alike. In practice they are very different."
She thinks a balance between success and failure is healthy. The old Darwinism as applied to individuals in human society. She doesn't realise we all breath the same air now. She is still inside her idealogical bubble, but it may pop when she has to start paying for the last eight years.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Ius Naturale.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
With no way to pause to let the buffer fill, it took me like 15 minutes to get through the clip.
Mika seemed awfully short as soon as Boxer made her uncomfortable.
Glad I don't watch this program.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I'm only 5'3".
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I never know what to say about Mika that won't sound incredibly anti-feminist, simply because she is such a negative stereotype. So I try to say nothing at all. I just shake my head.
Then we could have two great Senators.
Hey Mika, if you use it, you own it.
You were spiked, plain and simple.
Mika is so dense that she can't distinguish between investment and expense. In her selfish right wing world, any money spent on anything but their designated interests is waste and pork barrel with no return on investment. These Neocon goons were too happy to piss away a trillion and a half plus on their supposed "liberation" of Iraq, but piss and moan when the needs of ordinary Americans are considered.
No wonder David Brooks labeled their approach "nihilistic." The Neocons would rather burn down America's house rather than join those who would rebuild it.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Babs is a feisty babe.
Barbara Boxer is a Great Advocate for Obama
She took down Sarah Palin during the General Election
She never came out in support of Hillary Clinton
And now Mika, but have gather for some time that Barbara doesn’t like Mika at all and she won’t allow her to get away with her idiot questions like the men do. If the men are harsh with Mika because of her stupidity then they come across looking bad but Barbara is a woman and if Mika thinks she can get away with asking Barbara Boxer Joe Scarborough talking point she better think again.
I simply think Barbara Boxer doesn’t like Mika because she takes the women movement backwards instead of forward with her tolerance of Joe Scarborough verbal abusive behavior.
"we're going to lose kind of that careful balance that our country is built on between success and failure and then thriving in-between the two."
What? I thought our country wanted EVERYONE to succeed. That comment is totally bizarre to me. Yes, the Haves want there to be failures, but any citizen with any kind of conscience wants everyone to succeed.
"Giggles" was not laughing during Boxer's interview but she also wasn't certain
she had been "slapped" by Boxer until hours later.
Boxer will not be invited back to Morning, Joe unless the network wants to pit
Boxer vs Joe.
Boxer will win and then aim for Willie!
I hope the matches happen soon so MSNBC can finally put on a decent morning show,
Morning, Richard. Richard Wolf, the perfect choice passed over to host Meet the Press, would provide
and informative and enjoyable AM slot.
When that when Obama was going to get the WhiteHouse there time was up. They knew there time of fucking over the American people was going to END.So what did they do, a market crash! If you look up the histroy of the Federal Reserve, this is NOT the first time they have caused this. The rich want All the money. They invented this bullshit the American Dream. Take your house payment. the dream of owning a Home:). look at it again. You buy a house for $200,000. you put $25,000 down. You get 6% interest. Your payment is $1430 a month for 30 years. Add it up.That would BEEEEEEE "" $514,800 "". Bullshit Dream. It is bankers Dream!!!you just Payed the bank $339,000 in interest on a housr worth $200,000. Then you did not even get a REACH AROUND...
Boxer slapped down another ignorant Reslut once again.
because Obama did not talked about fear, terrorism, Alqueida, and he, if like Bush,would've said that everything is fine in the economy, and that things are going "swimmingly perfect" in America, then the Republicans would be really beeming. That's what they really want to hear. But, remember, this moneys is not going to Iraq or Blackwater or Halliburton. This money is staying here where it belongs. America. That's why these sorry asses are so pissed and "perturbed" about.
Mika sounded stupid in this interview. She seems to try to please Joe who is stuck in the Gingrich days. They have Buchanen on each morning talking about the good old Watergate days. This morning he was arguing who corrupt Chicago and IL politics were in '68 discounting the fact that he was part of one of the most corrupt administrations ever, Nixon. It amazes me how hypocritical these self serving bastards can be. It is okay for them because look at what those democrats did. Give me a break.
She plays the very righteous with that tough no nonsense schtick, but she is two faced and a promoter of the Zionist Cabal. She weaseled on the wiretapping issue as well as torture. Her hands are dirty. I see another spineless scum Pelosi has decided to portray a hardball stance and wants to prosecute Bush and Company now that it is too late. These are Democrats. Just check out Pelosi on Maddow's show and watch her twitch and blink as she dumps her shit on network TV. Very unstable woman and fears for her re election. Can't believe she is The Speaker of The House. What a sham.
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