Libertarian Militiaman Who Urged 'Patriots' To Break Windows? He's On Government Disability
So the Washington Post interviews this Tea Party leader and former militiaman, the one who urged people to break Democratic party office windows, as if he were just someone with another reasonable point of view that's not worth examining. It's the old "he said, she said" that's just what we've come to expect from the corporate media.
They don't even mention that he's calling for an armed march on Washington for April 19 - a favorite of extremists because in addition to being the date of the first shots fired at Lexington in the Revolutionary War, it's also the anniversary of the last day of the government siege in Waco and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. No implied threat there, though! If you listen to the above radio interview, his stated position boils down to: Don't make me shoot you.
And in the final irony, of COURSE he's on government disability:
Vanderboegh said he once worked as a warehouse manager but now lives on government disability checks. He said he receives $1,300 a month because of his congestive heart failure, diabetes and hypertension. He has private health insurance through his wife, who works for a company that sells forklift products.
Born in Michigan and raised in Ohio, Vanderboegh said he was not always a libertarian. He once was active in the Young Socialist Alliance and the Progressive Labor Party. "In my youth, I was a communist," he said. But in the mid-1970s, Vanderboegh read Friedrich von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom," among other books, and had an epiphany.
"From that point on, I could never take Marxism-Leninism seriously again," Vanderboegh said.
He said he long opposed President Obama because he believed the president has "collectivism" tendencies. But he became especially energized during the health-care debate.
"Collectivism" tendencies. You mean, like government disability?
Vanderboegh said he advocates breaking windows only of Democratic Party offices, not congressional offices, and that he does not condone the death threats and other incidents of harassment that some Democratic lawmakers have faced.
"Obviously I not only deplore or decry that, but I denounce that vigorously because it has nothing to do with what I was advocating," he said.
Is epiphany another word for stroke?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Is that what the kids call it these days?
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
He was a Maoist, but read a right wing polemic by a shitty political scientist/surprisingly good economist, and THAT is what convinced him it was bad?
He's leaving out some important detail somewhere, or he just suffered severe brain damage, possibly from a toilet seat, a la sparky the wonder penguin.
Don't thousands of Americans with congestive heart failure, diabetes or hypertension still have to work for a living to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table and for HEALTH CARE. Most be nice this guy gets his health care for free while trying to deny other Americans access to it!
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People on SS Disability also receive Medicare. I meant free to him NOT to those still working.
My sister-in-law receives disability due to her MS, and I'm glad she does. She worked until she flat-out couldn't anymore, and this keeps her alive and semi-independent. But, I'm afraid to say, she is a Tea-bagger, in spirit if not in action. A couple of factors led to this:
1 Born and lives in Texas
2 Has lots of time at home to spend in the Fox hole watching Beck and the other asswipes.
3 Getting Disability and Medicare, means that she has to deal with the government on a regular basis, which, of course can be quite aggravating. Needed drugs are denied or delayed, the paperwork is extensive and inconsistent (made worse by the fact that illness has impaired her ability to read), along with the other usual red tape of a big bureaucracy.
I think the last one accounts for a lot. From our distance, we can see that she is fortunate to get these benefits, particularly as they would be non-existent if her right-wing babblers had their way. But in her daily routine, government = "pain in the ass" and that is the button that gets pushed by all those loathsome talking heads.
Its the old "familiarity breeds contempt" argument and I wonder how pervasive it is in the right-wing.
So my choice is between spineless and evil?
I've got a thought. If this a-hole hates the American government so damn much, send the Justice Department or the IRS aroound to have him return every bit of money the evil government paid him for his disability.
Democratic Party progressive, Vietnam veteran and proud Union member for 41 years
Actually they need to take some of the money he gets and pay for some of those windows he ordered smashed!
eh theyre all the same to him.
he would give up his gov't disability and become a hermit, staying away from any paved roads, not taking advantage of the US post office, any fire or police department.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Yes, he would do that if he were serious about his principles. But him giving up his government-funded health care and benefits is like a fundamentalist Christian getting a divorce or something.
The hypocrisy of the extreme right continues unabated. We can add this guy to the list of people -- Joe the Plumber, Craig T. Nelson, etc. -- who resorted to government (read: socialist) programs to bail them out during hard times. I think the government programs SHOULD serve all. But DON'T bash them, ESPECIALLY if you've used them!!
crossing the border into Canada for "socialist" health care.
WHAT!!!
if his fellow Teabaggers find out. But of course most of them are also on some form of government funded aid.
If socialism bothers him so much, I'm sure he'll want to stop receiving those evil cheques and perhaps even pay back what he's already received, right? It always makes me shake my head at how many of these teabagger loonies are getting money from the "evil" government and would get supremely pissed off if you questioned this sense of entitlement they have, yet they get insane when anyone else gets government care? In other words, it's for them, and screw everyone else.
government, because in their "thinking," only white people pay taxes. It's that simple and so are they.
Wow. Another anti-government blog by someone who lives off the government. Nice.
I read this kooks site early this morning. Nothing of substance and he moderates all comments. Gee, I wonder why?
Another 200lbs of bullshit in a 1\8th ounce teabag. Kudos to Michael "The ShitBrick" Vanderboegh.
and not being marandized?
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Little OT but North Korea just sank a South Korean ship with a torpedo. This comes a day after Kim Jung Il threatened nuclear strikes on South Korea.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36052055/ns/world...
Might be an interesting news day.
I'm sure someone will come up with a conspiracy theory about how Obama asked his good buddy and kindred spirit Kim Jong Il to sink that ship to distract people away from health care passing.
Kim Jung Il must be itching to take the snow tires off the Pacer...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Ford Pinto...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
if hit from behind by a heavily-laden bicyclist.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnjF1O4eH0
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Poo Poo Platter
Study the symptoms not the virus...
They don't know what caused it in fact it was mentioned it could be onboard explosives
Politics is ugly
Hey konch. the story was breaking and has been updated several times. Earlier reports mentioned a torpedo and the south firing back.
Obviously.
The two great propaganda machines of the 20th century both sought to perpetrate first and then perpetuate the MYTH that Lenin and vanguard of the proletariat, in other words the authoritarian state, had anything to do with Marx or socialism at all.
Lenin and his Soviets perpetuated the myth to legitimize their illegitimate system of authoritarians.
The Americans perpetuated the myth to de-legitimize the moral authority of socialism by linking it to authoritarians.
Internally, the propaganda worked much better for the Americans than it did for the Soviets.
The American citizens still are hoodwinked, but then the American propagandists were without peer.
They have their TVs and Madison Avenue and they can sell anything.
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Follow the logic of von Hayek very far and you will be rid of those government disability checks.
That the same person could jump from being hoodwinked by the Leninist propaganda to being hoodwinked by the von Hayek propaganda demonstrates the complete absence of on board critical thinking.
Grow a brain, dude.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
So he read Hayek's Road to Serfdom and had an epiphany, which apparently caused him to put the book down before he reached this page...
"Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance, where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks, the case for the state helping to organise a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong. There are many points of detail where those wishing to preserve the competitive system and those wishing to supersede it by something different will disagree on the details of such schemes; and it is possible under the name of social insurance to introduce measures which tend to make competition more or less ineffective. But there is no incompatibility in principle between the state providing greater security in this way and the preservation of individual freedom."
http://books.google.com/books The Road to Serfdom, pp 125
You should send that to him.
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
I always thought you had to work in a government job to get a government disability check. If he worked in a government job and was injured to the point he receives disability payments then he also still has access to government health care. Now if he chooses not to use it that is on him. But he still always has that option. Actually I think he hedged the truth when he said he uses his wife's health care. His wife insurance company might bill the government for some of this guy's treatments and medications. so sure he uses his wife's insurance but it is subsidized by a government program.
SSI
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
oh, okay
SSI is what you receive when you haven't paid into the federal system long enough. When you have worked ten years or so, you essentially get the same benefits coming to you from social security, just earlier.
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http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/poster...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
No, anyone who has worked can receive disability if they paid into the system long enough. For federal disability it would be roughly ten years. States vary.
But you are right, with it comes access to medical assistance, medicare from the feds.
How fortunate he is. Two forms of free health care at his disposal.
But still would not the private insurance company bill the gov for some of the costs?
If you're on disability you become eligible for Medicare. (Unfortunately you become eligible well after you're awarded disability status, which means you have to make up your health care costs in other ways until then.) Medicare is optional. In this guy's case, if he can go on his wife's private plan as a dependent, he'd probably be better off doing that than taking the poorer coverage provided by Medicare and its Prescription Drug Plan.
In my case, my wife doesn't work, so I had to go on Medicare just recently. Unfortunately, because of the Prescription Drug Plan's "doughnut hole", I can no longer afford the two drugs (name-brand only, no generics available) that were showing promise of eventually allowing me to get off disability. (The HCR bill's $250 rebate the first year would only be a drop in the bucket for the costs.)
Will the manufacturer of the drug you need help you? Worth a try to ask. Good luck.
But drug manufacturers all have assistance programs. They usually have all the information available at your local state rep's office - and people who will help you with the paperwork.
Good luck!
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
in this area collect the samples given them by salesmen and give them to patients in need. I have delivered medication to folks that have survived on "samples" for long periods of time. We have some good Doctors around here.
The salesmen give the Doctors samples of the super high priced medicines so the Doctors will prescribe them.
The Doctors give the samples away (what would you think of the Doctors if they sold the samples) to people they perceive as being in need.
I won't go so far as to say there are not good people in it but it is a corrupt system.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
You mean high drug prices aren't due to "research" costs?
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High prices perhaps, SUPER high prices no.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
My sister is a pharmacist's assistant in Sand Point. She'll confirm what you just said. Lots of folks there survive on samples.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
in Idaho, raised around the world. I can empathize with the Texass folks in Austin who feel surrounded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA0pt9BvkBA
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
own disability was childhood-onset and kept me from working since high school, by the time I was 20 I qualified for SSI right away. Then the SSA employees realized that since my father died fairly young and having paid a lot into SS, I was entitled to receive SSDI as his adult disabled daughter. And with that came Medicare.
Anyway, I'm not too surprised by this. Number one, folks like this Militaman are hypocrites, and two, there are a lot of idiots that don't seem to understand that disability and Medicare are government programs, and three, a lot of these "libertarian" types think they are the only people in the world that are entitled to the benefit of a U.S. gubmint program...
I've never seen change without a fire
every year that tells you what you will receive when you retire? Read it sometime. It also tells you what you will receive if you become disabled.
Just another weak minded fool with a poor locus of control. A seeker who falls for for which ever line of thinking that he/she believes will put the most money in the their bank account. A perfect candidate for the "Fuck you, I got mine" party.
Generally speaking I don't trust anyone making over 150K a year.
Every single window broken should be deducted from his government check. If he doesn't do it? Arrest, trial, etc....
came from a police officer.
"When are we going to stop trying to tell elected officials what to do. Our job is to spend the taxpayers' money the best way we can." -- Tommy Watkins, Justice of the Peace, Crawford County, Arkansas
Too funny. It's always the same with these clowns. They're all about personal responsibility for the other guy. Reminds me of when Craig T Nelson said "I've been on unemployment. I've been on Welfare. Nobody ever helped me."
Seems the one thing all of these cretins have in common is just that....they are cretins!
None of them really knows what socialism or libertarianism or capitalism or any 'ism' really means. They just skimmed the cliff notes for a big book or heard a rant from some slob on the radio and get out their crayons to try and connect some dots.
Generally, they are racist bigots (is that redundant?) who revel in the lore of the South and are still bitter. What they need is therapy - maybe some shock therapy to help them into the real world.
"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of Stupidity" - Frank Leahy
All true. This one needs some jail time to think things over.
Is it the 21st century yet?
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Wasn't it "where was the government when I was on food stamps?" Or maybe he said all of those :)
You know I think he did mention food stamps. I don't remember him mentioning the govt but if he did that makes it even better. :D
Either way he's a complete tool.
The holy man Glenn Beck in a quick sentence on his radio show, just admitted to snorting cocaine from the bellies of prostitutes when he was younger , were any of these girls under age because that is rape.
Is Fox News to comment on this breaking news and the fact they may have a child rapist on their payroll. Glenn is going to have to confirm that these girls were not underage.
One of the originators of the "morning zoo" concept. The conservative pseudo-howard stern loving conservatives love such misbehavior. It's not going to lose him any fans because he's a born-again (dry drunk, that is.)
This guy reminds me of a very good friend - a loyal Libertarian - who also happens to be a retired fireman. With a full pension and benefits. After just 12 years on the force. Periodically, and at very strategic moments, I remind him of this hypocritical stance and status. It's these brief, pleasant moments you always cherish and remember.
http://www.animals.vaty.net/uploaded_images/D...
Hmmm...not just ripe yet...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Oh no, next teabaggers will want to ban:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TppRjknOryk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
True story about a family on my street; husband truck delivery driver, the wife a receptionist/ secretary at a big company. Truck drive lost job and is on unemployment, I’m outside one day, see her and ask how it’s going. They are having financial problems, was making it on the with husband unemployment but then she had a mental breakdown because of, on the job stress and went on workers comp. now after two months the doctor said she could go back to work part-time, but company wants her fulltime so they can stop paying the comp. payments. She filed a grievance with her union and may have a lawsuit; if wasn’t that her daughter had moved back home and the $400 her daughter gets in food stamps they wouldn’t make it. Here the kicker she and her daughter were on their way to a Tea Party protest starting in an hour and would I like to go. I said NO, and then proceeded to pound my head on a nearby power pole. My God I wanted to say
“You are the ones they are protesting!”, but I didn’t.
HA! That's awesome. Some people are too stupid to live.
The white folk probably set him up to be the fall guy.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
a particularly vile person who happens to be white. His website pushes the idea of the 3% who will commit violence.
yesterday that showed (what appeared to be) a black man. This audio doesn't sound like the guy I saw on CNN.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I know works for a government agency or is on a public pension. It's ok though because the government gave the money to Lockheed Martin, NASA or one of the national labs (Sandia, INEL, or JPL) first. Therefore it has been washed clean and they work for it.
Isn't Rimjob, the founder of the freepers, also on disability?
for the terrorist celebration?
http://pavlovianobeisance.com/april_tea_rally...
Some optional things as a MN Militia member... you may want to take along. :-/
Optional:
Binoculars.
Instant camera.
Two-way radio.
Small AM/FM radio.
Cell phone. [So OJ & AC can call ;)]
Copy of US Constitution.
Small Bible
Study the symptoms not the virus...
Why? Toilet paper is sooo much cheaper.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
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These people want that socialized income, but only for them. Everyone else should just slave away in indebtedness to provide for them. God help us if the repugs ever get back in power.
but turning your personal philsophy on its head over reading a book doesn't bode well for his reading comprehension.
"Born again because I read one book..." people are the dumbest. If you change your entire philosophy because you're wowed by one book-
1) You didn't read many books.
2) You probably shift positions radically, and often in life.
3) You probably don't continue to read books after that one, especially ones that may not be as propagandistic/slanted, or may have contrary facts.
4) You LOVE emotional sways, aren't much interested in objectivity over ideology.
5) Probably have a shitty understanding of history if you're consistently surprised by past events.
He's definitely not stupid. He's an amateur historian and 2nd Amendment absolutist who has distorted his concerns into a world view that positions him and his supporters as the only "true" patriots. He doesn't like the Republicans, either.
Look, there are plenty of government abuses for the paranoia to build on. But there's this specific kind of binary, dualistic thinking that makes good-vs.-evil violence inevitable.
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
Of course, I even listen to Alex Jones from time to time because he's an easier "opposition" to listen to than Glenn Beck. I agree with a lot of what he says independent from that whole "Fema death camp" rhetoric. The problems are real, his conclusions are usually to blame both parties and "the cabals" but to claim that businessmen are the real victims and not just enablers of the shadowy "cabals". Also, of course I don't believe there are organized cabals, but there are a myriad of people that do not operate in our interests :)
"anti-government" mental midget living off of the government dole.
someone should open a fraud case against him.
This assclown revealed as just another right wing lunatic hypocrite searching for his 15 minutes of fame?
I'm sooo shocked.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
....."it will be the end of the country as we know it!" "Now when are you guys going to all chip in and send me a check?"
To quote that great American philosopher - "Stupid is as stupid does" Forrest Gump: Philosopher, Entrepreneur, War Hero, Humanitarian
That was actually the character's mother saying that.
She was a sage philosopher with an idiot savant son.
But then we are species of idiot savants.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I thought she was a flying Nun? ;)
Study the symptoms not the virus...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n93JpQJJiX8
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Didn't he always give his mother credit for that advice? That and the "Life is like a box of chocolates" line? There's something to be said for idiot savants. What, I don't know, not being one myself.
A right wing, white, malitia wealfare queen who promotes violence against empolyed politicians and their empolyed empolyees.
Somehow you gotta laugh at this one.
And hopefully a really big ugly FBI guy will lay some serious words on this asshole lay-about
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...on a nice cruise: Atlas Sailed
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Than sucking off the government teat (or living with your parents) while shouting red-faced "F*CK YOU, I'VE GOT MINE".
If he has the strength to march, get his tired ass off disability.
Hypocrites indeed. Since this "patriot" is against collectivism, I imagine on principle alone, he should return every last cent of his government disability checks and refuse all government assistance in the future.
Yup
I'm grateful for the demise of half of this hypocrical assholes.
I suggest that everyone calls or emails him, calling him a socialist, pinko, commie traitor. :D
4 or 5 minutes, before i got too angry.
the south lost the moral high ground?
what moral high ground?
assassination is a wrong tactic?
so it would be ok if it was a right tactic?
notice this guy talks about the nineties, he has been into this a long time.
violence must be the last straw? but get ready?
march on washington with guns? so when the park police says no guns are allowed on the mall, you can have a confrontation?
i swear, i wish they would quit flapping their jaws, and just get on with it. oh wait, i forgot, they are waiting for obama to "force" them into it? what a friggin piece of work.
So they can't be held for violating the district's gun laws.
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
this guys rhetoric is just like becks, where he said, "don't do anything violent, because that's what they want you to do" when he was comparing sixties radicals to tea party/militia types.
first off, there is really no comparison between civil rights struggles and vietnam protests, and tea-partiers, no matter what david brooks says, (what an idiot, "wal-mart hippies"?).
ok, what this guy, and beck, are saying is sedition and violence are really ok, there are just tactical reasons for not doing it right now.
put it another way, when they say, don't do this "because they want you to", or "assassination is the wrong tactic", they are attempting to provide themselves plausible deniability, but implicitly endorsing violence.
Beck is going to invite him to hs program. I hope the FBI is monitoring this asshole.
He's done interviews, has anyone ask him how he feels about that bit of
socialism he's benefitting from?
I dont get it. They act like the government is giving him something? The guy works and pays 35% taxes all his life and then when he asks for HIS money back, they act like they are giving him a handout. Its HIS money!
But lets say he is getting a free handout. Well that just goes to show that he is securing logistics from his enemy. Something armys do all the time.
But I love the lefts logic. He is getting government support, therefore everything he says is not valid! Can we use the same logic for the government? They get their money from the taxpayers, then they fund things that the taxpayer doesnt want, like healthcare, bailouts, wars, ect.. he is doing the same thing. Getting his money from the government and doing things the government doesnt like. Circle of Life.
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