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Under questioning by members of the Senate Budget Committee, CBO director Douglas Elmendorf said bills crafted by House leaders and the Senate health committee do not propose “the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a signficant amount.”

This Sunday editorial in the New York Times points out that the Congressional Budget Office has underestimated potential savings from healthcare reform. This should help persuade some of the fence sitters:

Douglas Elmendorf, director of the Congressional Budget Office, testified in mid-July that he saw no fundamental changes offered by the bills then emerging that would reduce the trajectory of federal health spending significantly. The implication was that the pending bills could actually make deficits bigger after the initial break-even decade. That’s because covering the uninsured would increase federal spending and a high rate of medical inflation applied to that larger base would make future deficits worse. However, Mr. Elmendorf was looking only at bills that had cleared committees, which did not include one still being fashioned by the pivotal Senate Finance Committee.

Senator Max Baucus, the Democrat who heads that committee, revealed last week that the C.B.O. had evaluated a draft of his bill and concluded that it would cover 95 percent of all Americans, for a cost below $900 billion, and would actually start reducing the deficit in 2019. That is better than the administration’s goal of being deficit-neutral in that final year, but we will not know for sure until the C.B.O. issues a verdict on a final bill.

The budget office provides vitally important guidance to Congress, but focuses primarily on how new legislation might affect federal spending and federal deficits. The office gives only a cursory glance at how reforms might cut costs for the overall system and yield savings for employers, families and state and local governments, the issue that concerns most people.

Moreover, the office makes middle-of-the road estimates of cost and more pessimistic estimates of savings. That makes sense (lawmakers and government agencies routinely exaggerate the virtues of their proposals), but it makes it harder to evaluate proposed innovations.

Respected analysts who are not bound by the C.B.O.’s conservatism have projected significant savings from reforms that the C.B.O. scores poorly. The Commonwealth Fund, a research organization, and David Cutler, a Harvard health economist, separately estimate that an array of reforms could save the government hundreds of billions of dollars in the first decade and the health care system even more. These estimates, coming from advocates of reform, may be too rosy, but underscore the point that the C.B.O. may undervalue savings.

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information.please's picture

Cannot hold my breath any longer- blue (dog) in the face- must take a vacation, thank you!!

NoOneYouKnow's picture

bearing on an honest discussion about health insurance, as the structure, costs and benefits of a public health insurance plan are far more broad than just government spending. Personally, I think freeing millions of Americans from the bondage of having to work for HI or the fear of living without it will create a huge wave of creativity and entrepreneurship in this country.

Noticing that the Federal government is NOT simply putting all the various fiscal health plans before the American people?!

o THIS is the health care "scheme" we have happening NOW and what it will cost us for the next ten years, AND the coverage it gives to the American TAXPAYERS if allowed to continue unabated...."XXXX".

o THIS is the health care "scheme" as proposed by the various Senate committees thus far and what this will cost us for the next ten years, AND the coverage it gives to the American TAXPAYERS: "XXXX".

o THIS is the health care "scheme" as proposed by the various House committees thus far and what this will cost us for the next ten years, AND the coverage it gives to the American TAXPAYERS: "XXXX".

o And THIS is the health care PLAN..."Medicare For All", Conyers H.R. 676.... THIS IS WHAT IT WILL COST US FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, AND THIS IS THE COVERAGE IT WILL GIVE TO ALL THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS: "XXXX".

You get the idea.

I have seen NO comparative analysis by the C.B.O. regarding ALL the plans that are currently under consideration. Do you know WHY??

Because if CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and FOX were FORCED BY PUBLIC PRESSURE to release the hard, cold statistics on ALL the various plans being floated out there MEDICARE FOR ALL....H.R. 676...WOULD BE THE BEST PLAN AND ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WOULD CLEARLY SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FREAKIN' DUH ALREADY!!!

I'm calling out a Congressional/Media Censorship!!!!

I can't even get Rep. Olver, who is supposedly a co-sponsor of H.R. 676 to hold a Town Hall Forum in the little ol' Berkshires during his 4 week recess!!

Man, these guys/gals are all running scared....from the TRUTH!!!!

H.R. 676 is the ANSWER TO ALL OUR HEALTH CARE NEEDS IN THE UNITED STATES AND ALMOST EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS IS RUNNING SCARED......


"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn

Paul's picture

...would save 4 trillion in the first 10 years, just by getting rid of the administrative overhead associated with what insurance companies pour into bonuses, executive salaries, profits, and the cost of maintaining legions of people whose only job is to deny coverage.

Handypants's picture

Sorry I had to yell it.

Spot on!


"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that!
" ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )

marcellajoy's picture

This forum is too important to lose.

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information.please's picture

Maybe off topic here (post in a later open thread) but fully supportive where I'm concerned- Thanks

Is there any reason we shouldn't trust Sen. Baucus? Are there many hundreds of thousands of reasons we shouldn't trust Sen. Baucus?


Corruption favors the wealthy.

information.please's picture

If the current account is at all exhaustive-

Evet's picture

Corporations own the entire U.S. medical infrastructure and all the Doc's. (Show me where all the Docs and Clinics are that don't ask for an insurance card.)

My guess is we'll get "Health Care We Can Believe In".

information.please's picture

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/07... A criticism of the debacle of health care 'debate' in this country, through the lens of some of our staunchest allies, and how American "exceptionalist" mentality is entirely our undoing here. Some readers' comments are worth noting, as well....

Inquiring minds want to know. Just askin'

and cranny of government. It's bad enough this country is overflowing with rip off artists as it is.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

Someone explain this to my small brain please. The advocates of reform, just so happen to be the health insurance industry, big Pharma, and the healthcare workers themselves. Now why, oh why, does anyone think these organizations would be advocating all these reforms, if the goal was to in the end, take money away from themselves? That doesn't add up at all. The biggest pushers for all this "reform" are the reason healthcare is so damn expensive in the first place, and would be the losers in all this if the true goal was big savings, and more people covered. It smells like a big ol' heap of cow manure. Nobody remember the bankers running to Washington for bailouts? The Big 3? Wall street? Something in all this says the reforms you get in the end (literally) will not be anywhere close to the reforms that everyone thinks they are getting.

RonDumsfeld's picture

Think of it like the arms race, where we went from arms reduction to arms control. Reductions were real, but control can mean an increase of arms or strength, not necessarily a reduction.

Reform doesn't necessarily mean less cost or more coverage. It can mean establishing the rules to ensure monopolies, stifle competition, mandatory policies, etc.

ConcernedCanuck's picture

never really thought of it like that. Hard to believe that the Health insurance industry would take less, to survive though.

Micholasia's picture

That's not good enough.

RonDumsfeld's picture

With a single payer system covering everybody, there would be savings from a reduction of lawsuits and malpractice since there wouldn't be an insurance company between you and your doctor of choice.

And, there wouldn't be a need for workman's compensation insurance, thereby relieving business owners of carrying that insurance.

virtue's picture

If you care about your children you'll watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2UUH4E2Xs&ch...

Alice X - Chomsky Nader's picture

Another report from the Ministry of Truth.


statusquObama, change you can only pretend in

ConcernedCanuck's picture

WTF? Are people really this nuts? Good Gawd, how can anyone be so angry that they just might eventually get universal healthcare? Shouldn't these morons be angrier at the the watered down crap legislation they are going to get, rather than the thoughts of getting it at all? Sigh. I don't understand people anymore.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/03/doggett-h...

I don't doube that the insurance companies have bribed pretty much anybody dirty enough, like uncaring Reslugs, to fall for it.

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