Real Live People Are Secondary to The Senate Finance Committee as They Slice and Dice Healthcare
By Susie Madrak Monday Sep 28, 2009 3:00pmHo hum! Another Monday, another story of official indifference to the lack of affordable health care. In the words of Barney Frank: On what planet do these people live?
The affordability question vexing Democrats is whether those with moderate income will be able to afford health insurance, even with the subsidies the legislation would provide and all sorts of new rules aimed at controlling costs.
Because the legislation would require nearly all Americans to obtain health insurance, affordability is a potentially serious political issue. That is particularly so because most people would incur a financial penalty — payable along with income taxes — if they did not obtain coverage.
Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican on the Finance Committee, last week attacked the requirement to have insurance, the so-called individual mandate, as potentially imposing a crippling penalty of $1,500 on a family earning as little as $25,000 a year.
“It’s a pretty heavy burden for low-income families,” Mr. Grassley said in committee debate.
You know it's bad when Chuck Grassley is the voice of the working poor.
Some liberal Democrats are already suggesting that the legislation may not be worth adopting if it will end up forcing Americans to buy health coverage they really cannot afford.
“I am sympathetic, and I understand the concerns, and I appreciate as well the political volatility around the question of mandating or requiring coverage,” said Senator Debbie Stabenow, Democrat of Michigan, who is also on the finance panel. “The big question we have all grappled with is how do you make sure everybody is in, and that’s a tough one. It comes down to whether or not ultimately in this bill we can say this is affordable for people.”
Well, Debbie, I'd say the big question is: Who benefits? I don't doubt your sincerity, but I don't think everyone on the committee sees it the same way you so. Ultimately, is this a billion-dollar giveaway to insurance companies, a balm to the massive egos on the Senate Finance committee, or an actual solution to a very serious problem - namely, lack of affordable health care? I'm guessing the last is not all that important to the boys of the Senate Millionaires Club.
There are two obvious ways of making coverage more affordable, and neither is workable.
One would be to sharply reduce the cost of health care across the board, thereby limiting the cost of insurance. This is a chief aim of the Democrats’ bill, but it would require sweeping improvements in efficiency, including higher-quality, lower-cost treatment and better use of technology — all goals of the legislation, but not about to happen anytime soon.
The other obvious way would be to sharply increase government subsidies to help middle-class people buy insurance. Ms. Stabenow, for instance, has proposed capping the amount moderate-income Americans would have to pay for insurance premiums at 6.5 percent of income, with the subsidies paying the balance. The legislation now sets that cap on premium costs at 12 percent.
But President Obama has already sealed the top of the affordability box, telling everyone in his speech to Congress on Sept. 9 that he will not accept a health care bill that costs more than $900 billion over 10 years. And subsidies are already the biggest-ticket item.
Because after all, maintaining all those wars is expensive! Gotta prioritize here!
Some top White House officials, however, see a third way, a potential escape hatch: exempting more families and individuals on the basis of income from the penalty for failing to buy insurance, a fine that for families could run as high as $1,900.
The bill proposed by Senator Max Baucus of Montana, the Finance Committee chairman, would waive the penalty if the cheapest insurance, even with subsidies, would cost 10 percent of a family’s income.
Lowering the waiver threshold to 5 percent of income is a risky move, because limiting the threat of a penalty could leave more people uninsured, undermining a main point of the legislation.
Oh, come on. We all know the point of the current legislation as it stands. It's to put 40 million new victims on the insurance company rolls, thus ensuring massive quantities of campaign cash in the bank accounts of the cooperative politicians.
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that while there would be 29 million fewer uninsured people as a result of the legislation, a separate 25 million people would still be uninsured in 2019 — about one-third of them illegal immigrants.
Sparing more people from the penalty would certainly increase the projected number of uninsured, by tempting more people, particularly younger Americans, to continue going without insurance. But White House officials think the number of people willing to risk going uninsured would not rise by much, perhaps two million people. The budget office has not issued projections yet, and some Democrats warned that the erosion could be much worse.
Oh well! What's another two million college students who can't afford a doctor when they get the swine flu - a disease that has disproportionately fatal results in their age bracket?
And in the end, that may be the smallest price to pay to avert what could be a devastating political argument against the Democrats’ plan: that working-class Americans would be penalized heavily for not buying insurance they say they cannot afford.
Think of how amoral that argument is. People aren't really human, they're merely chips to be used in a high-stakes political poker game. Nice 'hope and change' there, President Obama.








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Assley is only "defending" the poor as a way to undermine the proposed legislation. It is his job to kill it, and he will use any and every available means at his disposal. Fixing his "issues" will not result in his support.
Leading Dem Plans To Blow Up Deal With Big Pharma
Karen Ignani had a scam
whose fleecing was approved by Snowe
and everywhere Ignani went
the fleecing was sure to grow.
or the drugs themselves from other countries, mainly China. What the hell are these people trying to pull now? Didn't these guys get their cuts from Big Pharma yet?
You have Emanuel , Obama , Blue dogs , the centrists against a single payer or a public option from the start..
Obama showed he was against the single payer or public option from the very start by the selection of personal he have on the committees to write the health bait and switch bill...
Seems as if the democrats should join the republicans in the attacks on the corporate health bill to cut the legs right out from under these corporate whores we have elected as representatives..
It takes just as much never to pass this health bill written by the health empire as it did to pass the bailout for the banking empires.
Notice the persons in charge and controlling the banking empire was the same personal used by the banks to create this economical destruction.
Now the health empire has written the very health bill that the elected officals are going to force down American's throats.
It is time for a very strong actions & demostrations against an arrogant government which has been bought out for 30 pieces of silver from these Global Corporations...
Is only one reason for the democrats passing this corporate health bill.
They are bought with their arrogant greed and self concern for reelection and power...
It seems that there is no longer any legislation which is passed that does one d... thing for the American citizens.
They have sold out on Americans and there is no other way you can look at it..
Democrats have become sheep just as the republican voters were under the Bush/Cheney administration's with their lies, deceit and criminal crimes.
Republicans are cons. The new face of despicable greed.
Bit anymore....We need more than just posting and talking about their arogant actions and deceitful policy..
It is the whole d... elected government representative which are arrogant and taking in the wealth with their despicable greed.
These democrats are suppose to be voting the wishes of their voters and the American people instead of what they can put in their own pockets.
They think they are too powerful to be replaced , but if we do not replace these Corporate whores then we will continue to receive this deceit , lies and BS from them..
Just who in the H... do they think they are!!!!!!!
They are telling the people of this country to go to h... they will do as they d... well please... Their answers in the email have even become arrogant and deceitful..
Look how the democrat also came down on Acorn while the kissed the a... of the criminal actions and policies from Halliburton , Blackwater and other contractors..
Look at Bush , Cheney and his criminal mob which are still walking the streets with a smirk on their face..
Wow.
has worked extremely hard. I mean gosh they have worked so hard you would think they would be finished with their part of the legislation. Why aren't they done yet? Why are all 5 other committees done with their part?
They are the "firewall" for the corporate fascists who bribe congress.
getting next to impossible for Americans to figure out what the hell is going on with this legislation? Dems come out with Rethug talking points and vice versa on a daily basis. Guess Americans are thought of as mushrooms to these politicians. Keep 'em in the dark, and covered in sh*t.
I hope Canadians are paying attention to this and at least know this is teaching an important lesson. Don't give an inch on Canadian politicians who attempt to introduce private interests into your healthcare system.
even mutter under their breath about a healthcare change, Canadians stand at attention faster than a nursing home with a viagra surplus. It is virtually untouchable...for now. They just keep taxing us more and more for it. Still worth it though.
want to see 'polite' Canadians lose their cool...well, try to take away our healthcare system...it would not be pretty.
I do agree though that Canadians shouldn't just be sitting smugly by...we need to pay attention...we need to be forthright on this issue.
... is come out of the gate running with plans to privatize medicare and oppose any government involvement in health care at all.
We'd probably have a single payer government system in place by now.
Trillions and more for anything corporate, but nothing for the
peoplepeons - because that costs money!I laughed and applauded my whole way through it as I read it out loud to some friends who had stopped by. We all burst into a round of applause at the end!!!
The question now is: What the hell are we going to do about this mess if it appears the Democrats are about to rush through A VERY BAD BILL????
Well, let's get it right! No stalling though, right? A single payer is the way to go - nice and easy.
Die.
what happened on Saturday. I couldn't make it (I would have found you if I had). So what happened?
Here is my idea that no one seems to want to hear: Tank the whole thing. Start over again putting single payer on the table. If this bill gets through, everyone EXCEPT the insurance companies and Big Pharma will really regret it.
Here's What Happened Saturday:
First, I told everyone that I needed two apple-tini's to calm myself down status post meeting.
Then I went into this:
Sat, 09/26/2009 - 16:44 — Abbybwood
I just returned from an Obama "Organizing for America" Listening Tour in Northampton, Massachusetts.
There were about fifty people there and the impression given was that it was representatives of Obama who wanted to "Listen" to citizens who supported Obama etc.
The "leader" got up and made clear that the meeting was for one purpose only: to create a VOLUNTEER organization for the purpose of getting Obama re-elected in 2012. They are an organization created by the DNC (Democratic National Committee). There is one "paid" organizer/state and others who "volunteer" for other regions will become the leaders of those regions. All unpaid positions.
My friend and I tried to bring up our concerns with the health care legislation as it appears to now be unfolding and I mentioned how confusing "The Public Option" is. The leader stopped me from talking and said, "We are NOT here to discuss policies. We are only here to support the Obama agenda.
Okay.....
So then my friend tries again to bring up "estate recovery" and I bring up the problems lots of people are having with the "fines and penalities" and that most will NOT be eligible for "The Public Option".
Again he said, "WE ARE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS POLICIES!!! WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE OBAMA AGENDA!"
Finally the meeting ended and two men came over to me and started screaming, "Why are you here teabagger!!! You are nothing but a teabagger and you came here to disrupt our meeting! You are a Republican! You are working for the Republicans!"
Once I could get a word in edgewise I said, "I supported Obama for President! I had fundraising dinner parties for him in the Hamptons! Every time I got an email asking for money I whipped out my VISA card!"
And one of the guys inched closer to my face and screamed, "I don't believe you! I don't believe you EVER gave any money to Obama...TEABAGGER!!!"
Then we saw two college girls from Smith College and I offered them a Xerox of the article mentioned (from Commondreams.org) regarding The Public Option. They said, in Stepford like voices, "We cannot discuss any of this with you. We are supported by the DNC. We are only here to support Obama and not to discuss any issues against Obama."
We were told by the entire group if we were not there to support Obama and his agenda WITHOUT QUESTION to LEAVE!!!
I tried to explain to the group that in my daily travels around town I meet many Obama supporters who are questioning his "agenda", for instance, as related to the economy. I said to the group, "People wonder, after the big bailout a year ago, why on Earth it has taken a year for Obama to decide NOT to enact strong regulations to deal with Wall Street. Wall Street is already back to dealing in "exotic instruments" and derivatives again...the very shenanigans that ended up with us bailing them out! And no one, whether on the right or the left was for the bail out! What do people like me say to those who wonder why Obama is setting the American People up for yet ANOTHER bailout because he refused to inact strong regulations??!!"
Crickets..... Then, "We are not here to discuss policy"!!!
Where's Max Headroom when we need him? Oh!! I know where he is! He's heading up this damn meeting!!!
And there you are.....savannah43!
That is really, really bizarre. I thought this might be a problem last year when Obama directed supporters to give money to him and not to other liberal groups.
Now we know why.
From this point forward, I do not care what happens to any of them. You know, like how they feel about us. I am no longer merely suspicious of them, I am absolutely against them. Damn them! This is war, plain and simple. I thought being right would be much more satisfying than this feels.
Oh, never mind, that was the corporations. I forgot...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE
Obama brought "transparency" to the Dems. So at least with that token we saw the corporations who were invited to Congressional hearings and Presidential meetings to contribute to health care legislation. I gave up hope at that point, knowing everything else to follow would be a charade. At least with Cheney and the Repug's "energy plan" we didn't "see" the corruption and collusion between gov't and corporations during the legislation process. This system is a joke played on the "demos".
An informed electorate should be able to end corporate interference in the democracy of the US of A.
Somehow huge corporations got their tentacles into our democracy and ruined it, but we can get it back.
Thanks for your optimism. I needed a dose of that!
I came across a precept the other day that put this mess in a simple view:
Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property.
Corporate Personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.
Ha! Good one!
I wrote that down.
What are the limits to action and response when your government has been overthrown?
It won't be easy but we can start by becoming politicians or talking to the politicians we elect.
See, lawyers know how to phrase things. More transparency? You got it exactly right, fuddled. More than what? More then Cheney gave. Promise fulfilled.
everyone stop buying health insurance now. then let's all start going to the emergency rooms for small things. let's see what happens then..... this is the only way for regular folk to protest...... everyone opt out of for profit insurance and see what type of hell breaks loose...... wont happen but might be worth making noise about on the blogs....
Is another option.
I love that one. Next time I'm spewing and coughing I'm going downtown and hang out at his office. I love making a scene.
Let's send them snotty tissues in plastic bags. With holes in them.
n/t
There is a local anesthesiologist here who heads up one of the teabagger groups (stoptaxingus.com) who's answer is HSA's and subsidies. He even had the gall to suggest that the subsidies could be in the form of a debit card for health care expenses.
Of course, he did not take well my suggestion(s) that we return to a truly progressive tax system, cut the defense budget, end corporate tax loopholes and tax religions. But being a wealthy MD himself, I really didn't expect to get very far with those outlandish suggestions.
To come out and say the the insurance companies ARE the problem... The solution isn't to force people to buy into the insurance model for healthcare. The solution is to eliminate this bloodsucking middleman from the entire process, and establish a not-for-profit healthcare system in this country, government sponsored if need be.
Privatization does not work for everything...healthcare is a pretty obvious example.
have done that. you see how many corporate media mikes are often waiting on his every word.
remember when we thought that dems cared and it was the republicans that didn't?
now it just seems the democrats really are the better skilled politicians. They had us believing they actually give a crap. What a joke and we the people can't do anything to stop it.
are proof of the true Dem Party 'concern'.
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17%. This on top of the 15% increase they gave me nine months ago.
Golden Rule? Golden Screw!
That's the company Newt Gingrich was so tight with.
These people live inside the beltway where the little people are shit. This is the modern day form of the king's court.
And they are just as full of themselves.
How long will WE stand for it?
mandating the purchase of insurance, capping premiums for low income folks and then giving them government subsidies to make up the balance is just a nicer way of forcing us to continue the rape by the corpora-fascists in the health ins. business:
1. open your wallets and pay the private health insurance companies whatever we decide you can afford; and then,
2. we'll take tax money out of the government coffers (your money again) and make sure the private insurance companies will be made whole (as in increasing their profits).
It sound like robbery to me!! It's just another scheme for the Powers that Be to continue the fraud - taking from the citizens to enrich the ruling class. And, I'll bet it has the Goldman-Sachs stamp of approval!
But I suppose it is gratifying to see that a few legislators are starting to get it that the American public have been bled dry and mandatory private insurance might cost them a vote or two (their only real concern of course).
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