Stupak Working With McConnell to Stop Healthcare Bill
I am so tired of living in a country where a group of religious extremists get to hold our rights hostage, but apparently that's not changing anytime soon:
An aide to Rep. Bart Stupak (D. Mich.) coordinated opposition to a Senate compromise on the place of abortion in health care legislation this morning with the Republican Senate leadership, the Conference Catholic Bishops, and other anti-abortion groups, according to a chain of frantic emails obtained this morning by POLITICO.
The emails show that Stupak -- who has so far remained silent on language accepted by Senator Ben Nelson (D. Neb.) and faces intense pressure from the White House to accept it -- is already working behind the scenes to oppose the compromise.
They also demonstrate a previously unseen degree of coordination between Stupak and the office of Republican leader Mitch McConnell.
Stupak is the leader of a group of pro-life Democrats who say they’ll back the sweeping legislation if it uses government money to pay for abortion, while McConnell is firmly committed to killing the legislation. The fact that the two have made common cause against the Senates health care compromise will likely further infuriate Stupak’s Democratic colleagues in the House, and demonstrates his willingness to stop any bill that doesn’t pass his test.
“Guys - when will we see your letters of opposition to the managers amendment?? We need them ASAP!” wrote Erika Smith, a Stupak aide, at 9:23 this morning, less than an hour after the amendment had become available.
The email’s recipients included key staffers for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Right to Life, the Family Research Council, as well as Autumn Fredericks Christensen, aide to a top pro-life Republican Joe Pitts, and Lanier Swann, a McConnell aide.
his daddy should have used condoms.
his mother should have become a nun.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Now, if we only had people dedicated to voting against any congressional asshole to sell us down the river with a bill that mandates something with little or nothing to protect us from the greed of the insurance industry. A *promise* to oust them, whether by primary or general election.
If it's that unpopular, we should be able to do something about it.
(Where's my single payer, anyway?)
you would think he would consider his constituents. If any state needs help it's Michigan. Pretty soon they'll be sneaking over the border to Canada.
Stupak represents the Upper Peninsula. He lives in Menominee, which borders Wisconsin, about an hour-hour and a half north of Green Bay.
And while Detroit was gaining jobs throughout most of the last century, the U.P. was losing jobs. My paternal grandparents moved south from Gladstone(Stupak's childhood home) to Muskegon in the early '40s because there were no jobs in the U.P..
BTW, if you weren't aware, most of the rest of Michigan is pretty contemptuous of metro Detroit.
Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust.
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statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
There's black people there, and, especially in Detroit's 'burbs, it is one of the most racist areas of the country I've ever been.
I have quite a bit of family in the Detroit metro area. They watch Detroit T.V. stations; root for Detroit sports teams, read Detroit papers, and all the other things suburbanites everywhere do that associates them with the nearby city. Ask most any suburbanite on vacation where they are from and they will generally reference the city they are near.
Not the Detroit burbies. Ask any one of them where they are from, and their response will always be be "Michigan." The racial divisions of the sixties and seventies are still alive and well in the Detroit Metro area.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
This bill is nothing more than a new tax that takes money from your pocket and funnels it directly into the pockets of big insurance.
Let's face it. We've been had. This reform is a disaster and doesn't even reform anything. It's a windfall for the insurance industry and big pharma, and I don't think this is what most of us had in mind when we began to push for health care reform.
Obama is turning into a massive disappointment. Barack's supporters are saying this bill has to pass no matter what, else Obama will look the failure. But I sure wouldn't want credit for this clusterf*ck. He should allow the bill to fail and give full credit to those who turned it into the steaming pile it became. Then let voters take action in the 2010 midterms.
Looks like Obama finally got his bipartisanship on the health care bills.
Yes...both parties are now shoving it up the ass of the American public.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
personally responsible for Bart Stupak, Mitch McConnell, and Liberal AND Proud.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
And Kentucky brought the lubrikink.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Joe LIEberfool, too.
he told Al Gore about the Internet. Finding Love Canal means never having to say you are sorry. Even if you haven't put Kennedy's real killers in jail beside every member of the Bush administration.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
With democrats like that, who needs republicans. On the other hand, at this point I don't care who kills it as long as it gets killed. Then they can start over and pass something usefull through reconciliation. Of course I won't hold my breath for that, but I'm better off with things the way they are rather than with this abomination of a bill. I am uninsured now, but at least I don't have to pay fines.
It is over.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
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Freedom FROM religion.
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
This bill is the equivalent of Bush's privatization of Social Security.
It will take public funds and turn them over to corporations . Being private ,these entities are not required to account to the taxpayers-only to their investors ,for the decisions they make about OUR health . Their failures and misdeeds will be hidden behind their corporate doors . Their formulas will be trade secrets , just as Diebolds software was.
Because they are for profit , these decisions will be based on profit returns, not healthcare excellence.
Because they will receive billons in taxpayers monies they will have limitless funds to fight reform, as we have seen Wall St do, with the bail out..
Investors will demand less hospital staffing and determine doctors decisions , yet insurance companies cannot be sued for malpractice .
Since there is nothing that ensures competition in he healthcare insurance industry. they will soon become our next too- big -to-fail business whose CEOs will reap bonuses while they hand out death and disability and the government hands over more of our money for less and less actual coverage.
Excuse me while I go barf.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvMduWKHNpY
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Look it's a present from Obama for christmas. Wow, a shiny new brand of American fascism. Just what I always wanted.
that is why they are voting on passage at 1AM Christmas Eve morning. Beware of politicians that pass legislation in the middle of night.
Christmas Eve....
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Yeah, god forbid people who lost everything and have to start over again have guarantees protecting some of their money.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"Real reform would create competition in insurance markets. The Senate bill does precisely that by establishing insurance exchanges that will create competition for enrollees, and by requiring that all insurers provide standardized information to consumers so that they can comparison shop for the best insurance product available at the most affordable price!"
Sen.Kirk-Mass
................... American sheeple.
It is, high sulfur coal in the stocking.
on his picture, get out there on the streets with teabaggers, and be sure and put plenty of the Doughy Pantload's books in your friends stocking by Friday.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
why not back up your statement with an explanation (a clear one) of why you believe this bill is 'a shiny new brand of American fascism'. its easy to hide behind ignorant slogans but then thats easy with the internet. so many people of all political persuasions can do that.
It favors a particular corporate sector which essentially crontrols Congress by bribery (campaign contributions), and happens to be wealthy at the expense of people's pain, while increasing their pain, by requiring paying into a system that can maintain spiraling premium, deductibles and copays to enrich themselves, or these people face a government fine.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Dear Abby
Aren't most of the stages of fascism present in the policies of Imperial Rome?
Maybe not the capitalists, but they were sparing in doling out citizenship status.
And they predated Mussolini by a millennia, and he defined fascism (not doughy pantload).
Of course Mussolini wanted to be like another Roman Emperor.
Maybe that's why repugs want to insist America's a Republic.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
How's the ticker?
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
poster...so much of current govt has elements of all sorts of political ideologies, i mean can one separate one element from another. large scale policy reform such as this will more than likely, because of their size, have elements of all those political ideologies too. there are some elements to like for some people and some to not like for some people. it wont end with the Dems and it wont be even close to ending with the GOP (who off only a firm 'no' and tax-cuts for the rich).
Look again. I replied to you.
and its enlightening. govt is the problem and govt is the solution. do we voters always get what we vote for? or do we get what we 'vote' for? egad, what is the answer...ron paul? naah. i wonder.
do you have any answers?
Some stuff you can't make up!
and i just posed them for the gossamer. govt doesnt provide answers but it sure does provide angst. we gotta lotta that. i saw that poll that stated that 61 percent of those polled feel the US is in a long-term decline economically. thats disillusioning.
what they were paying for.
Some stuff you can't make up!
or a clue Americans can be right in polls every once in a while.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
i wouldve answered the same way. i think the country is in a long term downward slide. its terrible to imagine where thatll go but what are the answers. oh well we can always turn toward govt. oh right no we cant.
But with healthcare we have little choice with the AMA, the pharmaceutical companies, the medical universities and the government snarling everything into their regulations, and actually prosecuting anyone else who tries to practice, like midwives.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Sun, 12/20/2009 - 09:19 — breakspear
i wouldve answered the same way. i think the country is in a long term downward slide.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZoYnJqllAU
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Ron Paul's domestic economic strategies like ending the income tax and implementing a national sales tax are regressive and would hurt the middle and lower classes. On the other hand, his ideas closing down American military bases abroad are good. We waste a lot of money through the MIC. Maybe Paul could be useful and not to damaging with a good congress. But if I have to pick a politician that corporate media will not allow a fair shot, I'd have to go with Kucinich or Dean.
All paul is trying to do is bring back st ronnie ray gunn and grover norquist; he's a republican through and through
He is no independent.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
but when will that ever happen with so many pro-military politicos on capitol hill? if anything needed reform its that.
and JFK's warnings....
Shoulda, coulda, oughta, woulda.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
One would think the end of the Cold War would have taken care of that.
But the republican controlled Congress failed to cough up money, when Clinton asked their help so we could assist CIS in dismantling and destroying their weaponry, and now the material is circulating in the underground market for fast cash, helping rogue states and terrorists gain such weaponry, perhaps necessitating the continued need for ICBMs, SCLBM's, ABM's, and the SDI which was in violation of the TPGASEUOSUNIMCB.
In fact, I think that's why boosh wasn't concerned about terrorism before 9-11, because he saw any terrorism talk as contrary to his plan to reinvigorate SDI.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
you'll get no argument from me there. But I do wonder why you think government can't solve problems. before FDR our elderly were dieing homeless on the streets. The new deal definately solved some problems. I don't need a government whose only function is to jail me or draft me.
I didn't say I was against it, I merely said it was ironic.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
respond if you could combine the best of Dean, Paul, and Kucinich.
None of them ever got a car taken off the market.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
on MANY pieces of legislation.
Kucinich even entertained the thought of putting Ron Paul on the ticket with him.
They actually have a lot of respect for each other regarding economic and defense related pieces of legislation.
Of course they part ways on health care....
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
in drawing single digit support even though they run in different primaries.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
equals 18 and that is nothing to sneeze at.
is that they both value the freedom and choice of the individual so why not have both a private and a public system and let the "market" of citizens choose which one they want to participate in.
which will go under the control of the federal government and then be recycled into the general fund which will go to pay the private for-profit corporations more of our money in subsidies for premiums and the schmucks paying the fine STILL won't have any health care "insurance".
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
.. or we can all go sit in jail with Keith Olbermann ..
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
"fall in love", get married, move there and enjoy living in a civilized country that decided long ago that the health of it's citizens was a top priority.
Or we could move to Germany, Great Britain, Japan, Sweden, Canada and find the same type thinking.
As T.R. Reid wonders in his excellent book, "The Healing of America", why is it the American government just doesn't care about the American public? Where is the "moral" imperative?
Just look around the world at what we are doing as a country and that's where our "moral imperative" is. CENTCOM/The Pentagon/the MIC get all the money they want for every imperialistic, hegemonic plan they can hatch, but the American people are left to die at home in pain and suffering because they lack "health insurance".
And in this economy...even four years from now when this legislation kicks in, I fear the economy might still be where it is now or worse. Then what? How many Americans will have to go without heat, food, transportation etc. in order to be in "compliance" with the new MANDATE? (You WILL SUBMIT!!!!)
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I'll take Canada if there's any room left.
NOBODY 2012
You're always welcome!
Fascism: Government of the people, by the corporations, for the corporations.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
Mr. Goldberg from now on.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Government forcing its citizens to buy insurence from a privete for profit corporation wiyh the threat of fines. Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism as it is a merge of state and corporate power - Benito Mussolini. I'm thinkin' that fits pretty well here. Not all fascism is the nazi type. And if that's not enough you can examine how Henry Wallace descibed the way fascism would come to America. http://newdeal.feri.org/wallace/haw23.htm
There, you have an explanation
or is the entire thing so decadent that it aint worth passing at all? and when will we ever get decent large scale legislative institutional reform without some elements being 'fascistic'? is that even possible with all the special interests putting larding it up and buying off senators?
typical liberal!
"there are good parts!"
Some stuff you can't make up!
Liberals are treasonous and fascist. I read about it in Pantload, Coulter, and the dimes in my pcoket.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
as there clearly should be no bill with what youre saying. its all or nothing. wow were gonna get places that way. thats just great. tell that to the people who dont have health insurance. im sure theyll be comforted by this. and im not liberal. an independent who leans conservative but on certain issues might lean left.
if they intended to fix it, it would be less than 2000 pages.
Some stuff you can't make up!
The irony is whilst we kvetch about fascistic government shoving this bill down our throats
Our solutions require an equally powerful government.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
Tell me the "health care reform" bill isn't the perfect example of these points of Fascism
leadership on this amendment. why doesnt he just cut the pretense of even being a Dem and just join the GOP? i mean, sheesh. do you think we're stupak, Stupid!!! err, i meant those words to be reversed. or did I?
But after all, it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy.
Madrak writes: "I am so tired of living in a country where a group of religious extremists get to hold our rights hostage, but apparently that's not changing anytime soon".
Well, these are our elected representatives... blame the people who refuse to get these neanderthals out of positions of power. I know it's frustrating that an apathetic citizenry is more concerned with Tiger's sex life than the direction of our country, but that's where we are. If the 'normal' Congress-people can't find ways to get around these idiots to implement policy that the majority of the country clearly supports, then they need to go, also.
Susie Madrak (mis-)quotes POLITICO [emphasis mine]:
Same sentence from POLITICO [emphasis mine]:
Your "copy and paste" has a mind of its own?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I still think stupak sounds like the name for a political action group for doofuses.
(Don't we want the healthcare reform act killed too if it doesn't include a vigorous public option?)
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Go Stupid PAC Go!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
yet, funny thing, i could envision the obama admin and the dem-controlled congress more willing to cut deals with the anti-choice crowd, c-streeters (bipartisan fascist-wanna'bes) and the GOP leadership to get support for the pro-health-insurance-industry bill instead of trying to craft a bill that will be supported by the base and progressive caucus/members of the senate.
Bernie Sanders caved. Sen. Burris from Illinois caved after shooting off his mouth but four short days ago, "If the legislation doesn't have the Medicare buy-in (which I never could have afforded BTW...at $600/mo.) and a ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION", I will NOT be voting for it."
Boy, those meetings at The White House with Rahm must leave these poor Congress members walkin' outta there stutterin' or somethin'.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
what we know!!!
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I think the USA is finished, and that's a goddamned shame 'cause we really had something there for a few years after WWII when the working man actually mattered.
Are there any good sites that list requirements for immigrating into other countries? I've checked out EnZed and it looks promising but I'll have to get there before I'm 55. Anybody know anything about France?
Women don't shave their pubes.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
you've checked? recently?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
I've visited the Statue of Liberty.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Sweet, then count me in.
(Just a little tired of the fully mowed lawn - I grew up on '70s porn...)
are grown up?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
;-)
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
to the country you like that has a Universal Health Care system and then try to marry someone from there.
I don't know for sure, but it seems that would be the easiest way to make a change.
Thank God I'm single.
(Of course the only tiny hiccup in my plan is that I really don't want to be married). Ha!!!!
Sweden seems pretty cool. They don't involve themselves in any militaristic endeavors, summers rock there and they have a great Reggae festival around midsummer at one of the big university towns. Lots of bike riding and hiking.
I've always wanted to see Europe....
Hmmm....
I think I've just about hatched a plan!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I will lose my health care coverage because I won't be able to afford it as I am 65 and have a previous condition so the costs will soar. Obama loses, dems lose, and repugs win cause I will not vote in 2010 and that is exactly what the Refuglicans are trying to do. Is Obama really a Democrat?
that much is obvious.
but hes certainly better than 'not know much about economics' McCain and bat-shit scary Palin wouldve been. those two wouldve been way too uncertain for governing. esp her.
Wasn't mcgramps asked once during the campaign about how many homes he owned, and he couldn't remember?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
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“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
He's a Corporate Democrat.
It's the Democratic Party's response to the Republican Party's embrace of the Dixiecrats that gave the Republicans the Reagan and Bush years ..
The Dems are attempting to co-opt the Republicans corporate base, a la Clinton.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
DLC
DSCC
DCCC
Some stuff you can't make up!
Affiliation:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/12/...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Does anyone really believe this about abortion? This is about stopping health care reform, period. Abortion is being used by this damned idiot and his minions just like the Republicans have used it for decades with their base; as a means to an end. This guy knows what current law is, and until this effort to reform health care, he has not made any effort to change current health insurance laws. But in another vain, this is why we have a separation of Church and State in this country. There is an inherent belief by the religious right they are correct in all matters of faith, and therefore nothing else matters. Can someone please explain to me the diffrences between the extremist christians and extremist muslims? Both want to enshrine their conservative religious beliefs into national laws, and have the state governened according to their irrational beliefs. And people wonder why I criticize religious practices. We have conservative religious figures actually using prayer to kill health care reform, now how much proof does one need to see how far off the rail religion has gone. I am no fan of this health care bill, as a matter of fact, I think it needs to be killed and started over, but for a much different reason, as explained by Howard Dean. But these hypocrites claim to be men of the cloth, yet they would continue to damn poor and sick people to death. As Bishop Harry Jackson stated in a forum on health care, why should his quality of health care be diminished so that others can get health care. Now there's your compassionate, conservative christian right there. Any person still attending these bastards churches should be totally ashamed of themselves, but then again if they are attending these churches, they have no shame nor understanding what the true meaning of faith is. So I guess hell will freeze over before these damned immoral people get it!
I remember the viciousness of the Southern Baptists during the Civil Rights Movement.
Same people, different times.
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
the Dems have all kinds of 'stab in the back' sorts just waiting in the wings to kill legislation and the GOP is just offering 'no' and tax cuts. health care reform wasnt even on the GOPs radar and likely never wouldve been so if they retake the house what the heck are they going to offer for ideas? nullifying parts of this bill (if it passes)? wow thatll look good to people who actually might need health care reform. one minute its there and another it isnt.
If you have doubts you can be sure they are legitimate.
Top 5 Industries, 2007-2008, Campaign Cmte and Leadership PAC
Industry Total Indivs PACs
Health Professionals $132,688 $34,614 $98,074
Electric Utilities $73,440 $4,350 $69,090
Industrial Unions $70,250 $0 $70,250
Lobbyists $66,935 $64,578 $2,357
TV/Movies/Music $65,650 $20,650 $45,000
op 5 Industries, 2009-2010, Campaign Cmte and Leadership PAC
Industry Total Indivs PACs
Electric Utilities $34,100 $1,500 $32,600
Lawyers/Law Firms $31,350 $8,600 $22,750
Health Professionals $28,550 $300 $28,250
TV/Movies/Music $21,900 $8,150 $13,750
Telephone Utilities $21,750 $0 $21,750
looks like donation are down. I think he's making a plea for funds.
Some stuff you can't make up!
Stupak is the leader of the congressional Taliban
that after 12 years of Republican controlled Congress: President, House and Senate --- 1994 to 2006, that it would be a few DEMOCRATS that are trying to restrict a woman's right to a legal health care procedure.
Only when the last tree has died
and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught
will we realize we cannot eat money.
Ironic and disgusting. I need a beer.
NOBODY 2012
“Guys - when will we see your letters of opposition to the managers amendment?? We need them ASAP!” wrote Erika Smith, a Stupak aide..."
Guys? Oh yeah, the old white "guys" in the crimson robes and the pointy hats, with their dicks in the butts of their younger church members, you know, the CRIMINALS.
I don't get it. The Dem WOMEN in Congress should unify to defeat this unconstitutional discrimination against 51% of the US population. Why don't they.
Ms. "Impeachment Is Off The Table" Pelosi should be able to make life difficult for Stupak--is she?
One simply cannot have a head that small, particularly from the brow line up, without it indicating serious reasoning problems.
Remember when they showed photos of George W. Bush presiding over a cabinet meeting...or any other group meeting...and he clearly had the smallest head in the room?
Same deal with Stupak.
Rep. Stupak is taking several risks.
Some of these go way beyond politics.
real hard. if not upside his goofy head, in the primaries. what a fucking tool.
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