Unions Cut A Deal Over Excise Tax, Health-Care Bill Moves Forward
As expected, the healthcare bill will now move ahead. I suspect if Martha Coakley loses the special election, we might be looking at reconciliation again:
Reporting from Washington - The White House and labor leaders agreed Thursday on a formula to tax high-cost insurance plans, removing one of the last obstacles to President Obama's healthcare overhaul, officials said.
Under the agreement, reached after an intense round of negotiations this week, union leaders dropped their opposition to the so-called "Cadillac tax" in exchange for concessions to limit its scope. Organized labor had bitterly opposed the healthcare tax, arguing that union members had negotiated generous benefits in lieu of pay increases.
The compromise would raise the value of family plans subject to the tax from $23,000 to $24,000 and exempt the cost of dental and vision plans.
It also would postpone the tax's application to healthcare plans negotiated under union contracts.
"This is a milestone," said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, who helped lead the negotiations.
Senior Democrats must now take the proposed financing package to rank-and-file lawmakers in the House and Senate -- and find revenue sources to offset reductions in the Cadillac tax. Late Thursday night, Democratic leaders returned to the White House to try to reconcile differences between the House and Senate healthcare bills.
Labor leaders also will have to convince their members that the watered-down Cadillac tax is not a betrayal of Obama's campaign promise to oppose new taxes on their benefits.
Addressing the House Democratic Caucus at the Capitol on Thursday, Obama candidly acknowledged the political challenges the healthcare overhaul would pose for lawmakers ahead of November's midterm elections.
"Believe me, I know how big a lift this is; I read the polls," Obama said. But he reassured party lawmakers that the climate would shift once voters learned more about the bill's impact.
"If Republicans want to campaign against what we've done by standing up for the status quo and . . . for insurance companies over American families, that is a fight I want to have," Obama said.
Republicans immediately criticized the Cadillac-tax compromise, especially the provision postponing its application to union health plans until 2018. Labor leaders said that transition time was needed to accommodate unions and employers with multi-year agreements.
Antonia Ferrier, a spokeswoman for House Republican leader John A. Boehner of Ohio, said: "This union kickback is the latest in a long line of backroom payoffs and sweetheart deals on a healthcare bill that the American people overwhelmingly do not support. A lot of people across the country will be angry, and who can blame them."
But several leading labor supporters in the House hailed the deal between the White House and a coalition of powerful unions, including the AFL-CIO, the Service Employees International Union and the National Education Assn.
"We should be congratulating organized labor for working so hard for all working Americans," Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Petaluma) said Thursday evening.
Democrats across the party's ideological spectrum are eager to wrap up the healthcare debate quickly. They hope to complete work on the legislation in time for Obama's State of the Union address, expected to take place early next month.
"No issue will put in jeopardy the passage of health reform," said Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), a leading champion of abortion rights. The question of how the healthcare overhaul will deal with abortion services is still on the table.
Under Thursday's compromise, individual healthcare plans valued at $8,900 or more and family plans worth $24,000 or more would be subject to a 40% excise tax. There would be higher thresholds for plans covering people in high-risk professions and high-cost areas, and for plans with large numbers of older people and women -- whose care tends to be more expensive.
The Senate bill that passed last month had pegged the thresholds at $8,500 for an individual plan and $23,000 for family plans, with fewer exemptions.
In a bid to encourage employers not to drop supplemental benefits, the compromise would allow the cost of dental and vision coverage to be excluded from the calculation beginning in 2015.
The biggest victory for unions came in provisions that would exempt policies covering workers in collective-bargaining agreements, as well as state and local employees, until 2018.
Labor leaders said that another element of the compromise would allow unions to buy plans in the new insurance exchanges, where providers will face more stringent regulation.
The exchanges originally were envisioned for individuals who do not get coverage through their jobs and for small businesses. White House officials said that issue still was being negotiated.



Nelson, Joementum, or Lincoln/Landrieu?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Here's the solution to the healthcare crisis:
ABOLISH HEALTHCARE ALTOGETHER.
Let's have no insurance, no premiums, nothing. We'll start with you obstructionist louts on the Republican side of the aisle. We'll just pile the sick and dying on your front doorstep so you can see what your pissy-pants politics plays out into.
Kickback, my ass. The kickback is watching worms like you skate off with top-notch coverage while you ignore that most Americans are having to choose lower and lower tiers of coverage, with higher deductibles and limits even on what can be paid for in an emergency or catastrophic care.
Kiss my union ass.
(On second thought, don't. I don't want to risk whatever tan-in-a-jar you use rubbing off on me. It just don't look right.)
Right on! I love the way they keep saying 45 mil uninsured. They always fail to mention the under-insured. Most people who are under-insured do not even know they are under-insured until they are filing for bankruptcy. I would say that most of the tea baggers are under-insured but they just do not know it.
with most Americans being strapped for cash. Oh wait they can just go to the boss I guess and say .. GIMME ANNUDER $800 a MONTH!
that the repubs continue to dig the HOLE deeper and deeper...It gets more out of control and shrill daily..I love it ...Keep um coming Bonher and his twits!
Have you seen the Fox poll that says he handled the underwear bomber right..,It just gets better!
Gucci's before he plants his tootsies on your tushie?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
That's a real oak finish tan, gained through years of servicing his cloven master non-stop.
I believe that tint is known as "brimstone brown".
"Here's the solution to the healthcare crisis:
ABOLISH HEALTHCARE ALTOGETHER.
Let's have no insurance, no premiums, nothing."
The solution to the healthcare crisis is to ABOLISH HEALTH INSURANCE. Yes, there should be no health insurance, no premiums, nothing.
Single payer, socialized medicine, paid for in your taxes. That's it. Nothing else will work. Health insurance companies and their extortions (aka premiums) should be outlawed.
Thank you n123!
For letting a breath of fresh air into the conversation!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
abolish insurance companies.
Stop buying the product.
Don't like big banks raping you?
Stop buying the product.
Take your money out and put it in a community bank or credit union.
We can do more than bitch, whine, moan and complain.
Just do it.
If Coakley loses this bill is dead. Is it at all possible to have a vote on this before the winner of that election takes office?
between labor leaders and the White House are teeveed on C-Span and posted on the intertube for Evet, who as I type has weighed in.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
. . Who are you, what are your credentials? This meeting is closed, only important people permitted.
I am one stakeholder with robust eyesight.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
. .
dictionary.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
want to take that stake and get serious.
85 Broad Street
New York, NY 10004
That fits nicely.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
LOL . . Ricky the vampire slayer!
Just like the tools in their proper receptacles.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
So, you think that the liberal bastion....the Bay Staters...might actually make this vote be a vote against Obama's despotic healthcare legislation???
Ya think?
I'm talking to voters in Massachusetts every day and they're telling me that Coakley is a real loser.
Check this out:
http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercoole...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Of course it might also be becasue Massachusettes already has health care reform.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
With it's mandates and fines???!
Think again:
www.masshealthlawtruth.org
What a shame the Democrats concocted the mess known as The Mass Plan (think Mitt Romney!!!) to use as it's "template for healthcare reform".
Gimme a break.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Just that they already have one.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I don't think it's much "reform" as it was "guaranteed insurance industry subsidy".
Single payer was the best way to do this, and our sellouts in Congress aren't going to bother dignifying it with any floor time. Why run something efficiently when you can get campaign money for sitting on your ass and voting for whichever bill gives Kaiser, Aetna, Cigna, etc, the most money?
There are states with single payer plans in the works. I think that it's probably a better way to go, at this point. Let the red states have their "pure capitalism"... I'll take my single payer healthcare over that, any day.
All you need to do is s-c-r-o-l-l down to the video and listen to Coakley make an arse of herself.
Who cares if the video happens to be at The Washington TIMES???
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
to be certain. I have heard she is an uninspiring candidate. Which, along with local factors like the health care situation in the state, make it difficult to pin the outcome on a single national issue. I should say "difficult to correctly pin." It will be easy for the media and those who hold this issue as their top priority to do so.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Should Coakley lose, I think I may have to alter my "wilfully ignorant GOP supporter" dialect from Southern to Northern.
the Tea. And Salem was where they burned menthol cigarettes
before Kentucky was kool.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I wonder what she actually meant by it?
I would hope that everybody in America gets to keep their freedom of and from religion.
I would also hope that those beliefs would not detract from the performance of the official duties to provide care without your religious beliefs coloring what decisions you make for ANOTHER HUMAN BEING IN MEDICAL CRISIS.
If you cannot separate your belief from your humane duty to provide medical treatment, you probably should not be involved in the medical treatment of anybody.
If Coakley were to lose — and hopefully the dreadful poll numbers will awaken some Dems to show up at the polls — but if she were to lose, there would be a bit of lag in the swearing in because the election results have to be certified.
So the new Senator wouldn't be sworn in until the results are certified, which buys this health bill another 10 days (win or lose in Mass).
Health Insurance companies.
Gee, maybe it's not a rout, but it looks like threatening to take your ball and go home works.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
everyone else who has done that has come away with something. Except "the base" because Rahmobama planned it that way or because "the base" has no balls to begin with. Or is it "lacks a pair"?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Last time I looked, unions represent a significant portion of "the base".
Unless you're a redneck auto worker who doesn't know any better and votes Republican cause they hate teh gay.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
now have pretty much rolled over and now it's all about Health Insurance instead of real reform?
http://www.commondreams.org/video/2010/01/15#...
(Scroll down after video to read my diatribe).
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
but to many unfortunately. To much TeeVee watchin' to do!
D'oh.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Money Tee VeEeEeE
You just won . . A NEW CAR!
Or must I wait to wreck it until I have someone to text over the intertube?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Let us cast off this joke of attempted bipartisanship and face the fact that private interests will always buy a few seats in the House and Senate to always obstruct any kind of measure requiring a supermajority to pass. Last I checked, the Frist-led Senate ran roughshod over this nation without so much as a 52nd vote in favor of anything.
Not so sure about pre-existing condition prohibitions.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
that hasn't been in the health care debate is . .
http://www2.mcdonalds.com/bigmac/images/nonFl...
lopsided so the few bits of lettuce and two pickle slices slide to the edge where they are visible?
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
McDonalds "Food Labs"
by men in white coats.
holding the poor burger on its side for a long time.
Silly me. Should have known those scientists at Hamburger University were responsible.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
seem to go semi comatose after eating a big mac.
Must be something in that secret sauce.
But I really think the seedy buns are to blame.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
the obama admin showed a lot of courage in helping to push through a tax they campaigned against, that will end up taxing some in the middle class, when they could have gotten behind the plan to tax the wealthy in order to help pay for health insurance "reform"
seriously, i give the admin credit for having the cajones of siding with those that argued for a tax on the middle class instead of an increased tax on the highest income bracket. it takes balls to continually disappoint those that came out in force for you. good job with that.
excellent. Don't want to inconvenience the wealthy!
"Tax and spend" thang.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Well, the democrat's "tax and spend" sure as hell beats the republican's "borrow and spend". Other than the democrats historically pushing social programs, whereas republicans generally tend to borrow to blow holes in the sand and fill them with money...
...I guess a tax on air is next?
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
the Corporations have been pretty successful at convincing people that's the case the past 50 years though.
The only basic right now is their right to loot you for everything you got for having the nerve to get sick.
You edited before I could reply. For a moment there I thought you were trying to tell us that the 'corpserations' are on our side. Whew. Your constant negativity I can deal with, but that would have been...!
:)
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
so negative and cynical. It doesn't help anything.
Galt.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
is a more positive force. The kind of negativity baiting the Right dishes out is done for the purpose of draining people of their will and turning them into vegetables.
I've no desire to become one.
you will be in the next. I would prefer to be a tutti-fruity hat to a veggie, but many here think I am already a cockaroach.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
I'll be able to get over any "desires" that remain to get stuck here again.
They'll just throw us into camps or kill us outright. Can't have the sheep telling the farmer what to do.
enjoys it.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
... about the difference between a Rolling Stone and a Scotsman?
A: The Rolling Stone says, "Hey! You! Get off of my cloud!" while the Scotsman says, "Hey! McLeod! Get off of my ewe!"
bags of hammers.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Fri, 01/15/2010 - 09:07 — Shadowgm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-rUgHtJ2Yk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1sYgknWGSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljCQeqFouVU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMCNltgrs1U
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Antonia Ferrier, a spokeswoman for House Republican leader John A. Boehner of Ohio, said: "...A lot of people across the country will be angry, and who can blame them."
And if they aren't, you'll be there whispering in their ears to remind them, right?
I'm just superstitious enough to hedge my bets.
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/01/...
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
I followed the link. A Coakley loss could be attributed to crooked local Dems or voters desire for a more robust war on terror. Voters vote. Spinners spin.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Hey Abby I'm not that nervous. Coakley may be the shits but her opponent is a Tea Bagger. Do you think that is better? Also this health care bill may be shitty but Social Security was shitty when it was passed too. This can be improved. It will be improved if it is passed. Or we can not pass it and see what happens.
What was wrong with Social Security when it was passed?
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I'm not exactly sure but I saw something on the dreaded Tee Vee (it was on in the background) and heard the person saying that the original bill had a lot of crap in it or it was not reall good but that Roosevelt knew that if he just got it passed it could be made better. Maybe I am wrong about this. I understand, but it makes sense that it was improved over time.
Most women and minorities were excluded from the benefits of unemployment insurance and old age pensions. Employment definitions reflected typical white male categories and patterns.[11] Job categories that were not covered by the act included workers in agricultural labor, domestic service, government employees, and many teachers, nurses, hospital employees, librarians, and social workers.[12] The act also denied coverage to individuals who worked intermittently.[13] These jobs were dominated by women and minorities. For example, women made up 90% of domestic labor in 1940 and two-thirds of all employed black women were in domestic service.[14] Exclusions exempted nearly half the working population.[13] Nearly two-thirds of all African Americans in the labor force, 70 to 80% in some areas in the South, and just over half of all women employed were not covered by Social Security.[15][16] At the time, the NAACP protested the Social Security Act, describing it as “a sieve with holes just big enough for the majority of Negroes to fall through.”[16]
Some have suggested that this discrimination resulted from the powerful position of Southern Democrats on two of the committees pivotal for the Act’s creation, the Senate Finance Committee and the House Ways and Means Committee.
Just wanted to show Alice I could maturely manipulate the cut and paste function on a serious issue.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Why the hell did the Mass. Dems put her up for election anyway.
Working class dupes of the Republicans and working class dupes of the Democrats unite!
The Oligarchs have decreed that you should go out into a field and die on your own dime.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
you dupes will live for free (on somone else's dime) to serve them yet another day.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
debate is something monumentally moronic.
The average human in the US seems to be blinded by rhetoric and attaching to some old notion that a fight against government is ALWAYS a good, patriotic thing to do.
It's not. Taxes are a necessary equivalent in a civil society to provide goods and services to the whole of the population.
Right now, our country does not bring in enough tax revenue to provide the goods and services that make for a civil society.
The free enterprise system has proven inadequate to provide life-giving goods and services in an equal manner to the society as a whole.
What is so difficult to understand about this?
Taxes have to increase for our legacy as a nation to continue its march up the hill toward equality for all.
Failures in the public services are massive today in America. Not because we don't care. Not because we don't know how to bring our nation to an equal footing for all. Not because we don't have the economic means to fulfill our promise to EACH OTHER.
But because we don't share enough of our earned and acquired wealth with the masses through progressive taxation policies that fully fund our coffers and beyond.
Republicans and their supporters (typically, though not exclusively, minimally educated, racist, xenophobic, paranoid, selfish, greedy, delusional people) feel that the liberal elite socialist communist facist they think they're so smart types are going to hand their massive farm subsidies over to the Blacks and Illegal Immigrants. The fight over health care is represented by the Tea Party Movement which was organized behind the scenes by the Health Care Industry lobbies with RNC assistance - and the morons bought into the idea once idiot Sarah Palin started her lying about government death panels. You don't think that Guv'ment worker in Kentucky hung himself do you ? Remember what was written on the corpse's chest ? Fed.
ha ha ha
you're going to lose, you lying sack of shiit
Wow, $23,000 to $24,000. That's over 4%. How _will_ the insurance companies compensate? Go union!
And in all fairness, they got "postponement" for their people. And that must be all of about, what, 5% of America these days? Yea, postponement!
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