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It seems that back in 1993, Sen. Harry Reid attacked birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, a position he later renounced and now stands thoroughly opposed to.

But the change in position gave Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly a chance not just to whack Reid last night on Fox, but for Coulter -- that self-described "constitutional attorney" -- to claim that the 14th Amendment doesn't really create birthright citizenship:

COULTER: And by the way, it is being lied about every place, but this is what the 14th Amendment required. I mean, Americans -- what Harry Reid was saying was utter common sense. Americans must be sitting back thinking, "What were they thinking back in 1860? Were Americans really worried? What is it? We haven't guaranteed citizenship."

O'REILLY: No, it was a totally different things. It was African-Americans being liberated from slavery.

COULTER: Right.

O'REILLY: It was Native Americans being tossed off their land.

COULTER: It was not Native Americans. Native Americans were excluded from the 14th Amendment. It was all about Reconstruction. It was about free slaves, this multi-culti rainbow coalition is a brand-new invention.

It wasn't like Americans were upset that the deadbeats couldn't slip into the country and have babies and start collecting welfare. We didn't have welfare then. It was amazing they even thought about it.

It was all part of Reconstruction to get an amendment added to the Constitution.

O'REILLY: OK.

COULTER: It was a big step. This whole baby anchor thing comes from a footnote that was not related to the opinion, in an opinion by Justice Brennan in 1982.

O'REILLY: But it would be very hard. It would be very hard and, I think, impossible.

COULTER: It's not in the Constitution.

O'REILLY: I think it's impossible now to get that anchor baby thing to be illegal, because you would have to get -- they would tie it to the 14th. Then it would have to go to the Supreme Court. Is it part of the amendment or not?

COULTER: Look, whether this is done by -- legislatively or by passing an amendment, I don't care about. I do care about being lied to about what the 14th Amendment says.

O'REILLY: OK, but let's be...

COULTER: That is a lie.

But then, a little over an hour later, former Whitewater special prosecutor Kenneth Starr -- the conservative attorney whose work pursuing Bill Clinton in the 1990s gave Ann Coulter her original raison d'etre as a media figure -- came on Greta Van Susteren's show and explained exactly why Coulter is full of crap:

STARR: Well, Greta, I think it would take a constitutional amendment to change that. You know, this is an ancient part of law, that we then made absolutely clear in the 14th Amendment, which was ratified after our Civil War. And the 14th Amendment guarantees every person certain rights to due process, to the protection of life, liberty and property, to the equal protection of the laws. And that is such an important set of protections for all of us as Americans.

But it also begins -- that is, the 14th Amendment, this post-Civil War amendment begins with a specific definition that a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is a citizen of the United States. That's pretty clear to me.

So I think it would take a constitutional amendment to change it. But it's not as if the ratifiers and the architects of the 14th Amendment just made it up. They were really restoring a very venerable tradition in English law and frankly United States law -- until the infamous tradition of the Supreme Court in Dred Scott that held African Americans, those who were in a condition of servitude, who were slaves, were not citizens of the United States. That was profoundly wrong, and it took a constitutional amendment to overrule that decision of the United States Supreme Court.

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A picture named abc_wnt_clinton_041116_t.jpegClinton rips media, Ken Starr after opening of presidential library

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In a prime-time television outburst, Bill Clinton ripped old nemesis Kenneth Starr and what the former president portrayed as a gullible media eager to report every "sleazy thing" leaked from a prosecutor bent on bringing him down.



Mike's Blog Roundup

d r i f t g l a s s: Rich white man quits incredibly cushy job

Balloon Juice: Change for the worse

Relaxed Politics: Time to appreciate the cultures and languages of students

Weekly Review: Lotsa links

The Mahablog: Mythological politics

Jack & Jill Politics: How neocons, neo-nazis, and neo-McVeighs crashed Ron Paul's tea party



"Please don't divorce..."

Infamous prosecutor Ken Starr has filed a legal brief -- on behalf of the "Yes on 8" campaign -- to nullify the 18,000 same-sex marriages performed in California between May and November of 2008.

Yes, they really did go there after promising repeatedly not to do this.

It's time to put a face to Ken Starr's shameful legal proceedings. To put a face to the 18,000 couples facing forcible divorce. To put a face to marriage equality. Because, gay or straight, YOU are the face of the Marriage Equality Movement.

The Courage Campaign just launched "Please Don't Divorce" a community photo project. They will break your heart and have made me cry on more than one occasion.

Please click through the photos in the slideshow above and then submit your own photo, as an individual, a couple or in a group (perhaps with your family over the holidays). Take a picture holding a piece of paper that says "Please don't divorce us," "Please don't divorce my moms,""Please don't divorce my friends, Dawn and Audrey," "Please don't divorce Californians" or whatever you want after "Please don't divorce..." and send it to: pleasedontdivorce@couragecampaign.org.

(full disclosure: I work for the Courage Campaign)



Mike's Blog Round Up

Mike's Blog Round Up

It's Sunday, so we'll provide a sermon. With Muslims rioting over cartoons, with the rise of violent religious Zionists, with the overweening political influence of our own religious extremists, with science, indeed, knowledge itself under assault, with our civic discourse debased by the pharisaical public piety of a president who passes out your tax dollars for faith-based fantasies extremists, with science, indeed, knowledge itself under assault, with our civic discourse debased by the pharisaical public piety of a president who passes out your tax dollars for faith-based fantasies -- and who even relies on a faith-based foreign policy -- sane citizens may want to bookmark this secular news service devoted exclusively to unbiased coverage of religion and ethics...and for critical analysis of the news in religion and politics, check out State of Belief on Air America radio at 5 PM on Sundays.

Pensito Review: This may prove the existence of a Higher Power. Ken Starr is in serious legal trouble!

War and Piece: An Indian chief has stepped up with some pictures of G-Dub and Jack Abramoff...and the -- and who even relies on a faith-based foreign policy -- sane citizens may want to bookmark this secular news service devoted exclusively to unbiased coverage of religion and ethics...and for critical analysis of the news in religion and politics, check out State of Belief on Air America radio at 5 PM on Sundays.

Pensito Review: This may prove the existence of a Higher Power. Ken Starr is in serious legal trouble!

War and Piece: An Indian chief has stepped up with some pictures of G-Dub and Jack Abramoff...and theNYT lays out a few reasons why we can't trust our president

Two reliably uplifting features: Bob Geiger's blasphemy-free cartoon roundup and Assclowns of the Week

No Capital: This sure as hell ain't 'Brownie's' fault...and neither is this

Raven's View:NYT lays out a few reasons why we can't trust our president

Two reliably uplifting features: Bob Geiger's blasphemy-free cartoon roundup and Assclowns of the Week

No Capital: This sure as hell ain't 'Brownie's' fault...and neither is this

Raven's View: Arizona legislators playing doctor... Arizona legislators playing doctor...



The Ken Starr Standard

Steve: Seven years ago, Ken Starr prepared a lurid report for Congress detailing his case against Bill Clinton. At first blush, it wouldn't appear to have any relevance to the Plame scandal affecting the Bush White House, but I was reviewing the Starr report recently and something jumped out at me.... Is Cheney a constitutional officer? Yes. Did he lie to the country? Yes. On national television? Yes. About a subject that was under a federal investigation at the time? Yes.

Don't blame me; Ken Starr is the one who created the standard. I'm just wondering if it only applies to Democrats....read on



The Moose anticipates the Rove counter-attack.

The Bull Moose knows what is about to happen to Fitzgerald if indictments come down:

"Fitzgerald will become the anti-Ken Starr to the right -----The conservative standard is clear - when a Democratic President is the target it is about the "rule of law" and when the "victim" is a Republican it is about the "criminalization of politics." ...read on"

Nico has a little video of the recent FOX promotion of the "criminalization of politics" theme.



Mickey Klaus catches Rush Limbaugh Lying

via The American Street:

"Wow. Mickey Kaus actually paid $49.95 just to find out whether Gloria Borger and Bob Schieffer rather Rush Limbaugh were lying about a Ken Starr quote.

I’ll give you three guesses on who he determined was lying.

Hint: The person is does not work for PBS or CBS news.

Hey Mickey, I could have given you that answer for half the price!"

My friend is too kind. Does Klaus even have to bother asking?