Broder's Back....
By John Amato Sunday Jun 24, 2007 4:45pm
The immigration debate is actually fracturing the Republican party, but if you listen to Broder---he blames the Democratic Party. It's just weird.
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Broder: Well, the Democrats have taken the position that they now will do with the nation's business. And if they're not doing that business, and clearly the immigration issue is very much on people's mind, I think they will suffer the same consequences that the Republicans suffered a year ago. People are fed up with seeing Washington bickering, fighting, infighting and never dealing with the issue.
TPM has more...: Dems worked with the White House on a compromise, brought the bill to the floor, and about four-in-five Senate Dems voted to support it. In contrast, 85% of the Senate GOP caucus voted against it, and the president apparently couldn't move a single Republican vote. Broder finds Reid, Durbin, & Co. a convenient scapegoat, but if he's looking for a party to blame, he's got the wrong one...read on
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One word for Broder: RETIREMENT
and so it begins. the Republican mantra will now be, "Dems should focus on issues and not impeaching Cheney."
Broder always finds a way to scold the Dems.
Broder? Why the hell would anyone pay attention to that witless suck-up?
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These talking heads are determined that the Republicons won't face their crimes alone. Shut up Broder! you don't know what in the hell you are talking about.
Broder's mind was "retired" long, long ago.
If Broder retired, Rove wouldn't invite him over for dinner anymore.
I would disagree with Broder thaat the immigration bill not passing is the Dem's doing. The Dem politicians want the immigration bill to pass so there will be more Dem voters.
So I don't understand Broder.
berton @ 10:
Broder doesn't understand Broder.
How is it that I know the idea that the "Democrats are bickering and not doing the people's business" would go away if they just supported the "Guest Worker" program?
Indentured slavery is actually what is being proposed by the Republicans. Sure, that makes sense to "just do something" with wonderful ideas like that. Of course, it's OK because we don't call them indentured slaves. They just have to please one corporate owner of their services or be sent back without a job. No room for complaint, or finding another job. I'm betting they even have an "escrow account" to keep the Guest Worker in line.
David Broder,er, the ghost of David Broder is the gift that keeps on giving. The GOP is so marginalized within itself, that they drag out poor, tired, one- note David to faintly mount a last hurrah before the GOP takes a twenty year sabatical from political significance. Broder says nothing about the Cheney hijacking of executive power, or Cheney's self nullification of pesky "laws" then denial that he's within the Executive branch. Which way does he see his job??? Just helps Dems as an ad for that sabatical. The Dems are the big bad tsunami and the other side is a wuss, I guess. He probably blamed the Dems for his cold coffee this morning too.
More pasty old white guys *yawns* . .
Well this follows the typical pattern doesn't it?
No matter what happens or whatever the issue,
its always a problem for Democrats.
It's been confirmed: Broder is an old fool. How sad to see how irrelevant and out of touch his views have to come be. Eh, no sleep lost for that old goat here.
The only group of Dems really hurt by the immigration bill would be black voters. So maybe, those elements of the traitional Dem base will abandon the Dems on this. And perhaps, labor unions are not in favor of allowing in all the illegal immigrants. But beyond those two factors, the Dems are basically in favor of the immigration bill; so Broder is, at the least, overstating Dem responsiblity for the bill's failure.
woops, I misepelled "traditional" (not traitional)
The democrats should focus on the issues instead of impeachment? Gee, kind of like the republicans focused on the issiues instead of Clintons sex life?
Our government has been taken over by Darth Cheney and his sock puppet George and the democrats are just sitting back and allowing it to happen...Impeach Cheney!
No, David. Its not bickering and fighting and infighting. It's that your guys had carte blanche and FUBAR'd everything. What we're fed up with is self serving, corrupt, posing patriots subverting the constitution and a corporate controlled media gladly looking the other way as it happens.
Berton, even though you may be correct that the immigration bill would hurt blacks and labor unions, I think those groups are looking at the bigger picture and in the end will support the new immigration bill -- so Broder remains wrong.
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Weird? What would be weird is if he and his ilk ever said anything with a ring of truth to it. They're all about misinformation and propaganda because that's all they've got to offer.
What a hack. Is it just me or is it not he Reublicans who are filibustering this legislation? Is it just me or is it not Bush who is vetoing bills such as the stem cell bill and the Iraq funding bill that included time tables. Who is not doing the nations business here?
And by the way...why are all the Repug oriented pundits like 100 years old and/or look like they've been embalmed??
I was at my nieces graduation party yesterday and later got into a debate about Bush/Cheney with some republicans and boy let me tell you these people are completely brainwashed. I swear the GOP and the christian right are all a cult.
I was of course outnumbered 6-1 in this debate and heard how swell Bush is, that he has great morals and is a God fearing christian etc, etc,etc, and they all were proud of exclaiming that they were all pro life and that liberals do not believe in God.
These people are the type who will not let you finish a sentence without interupting you, I felt like I was surrounded by 6 Chris Matthews. I finally shut them up by saying that if Jesus were walking the earth today, you republicans and/or christians would be the very people who would smear, attack and crucify him for his anti-war views.
I don't think Bush is really in favor of the immigration bill. His support and pushing for it, is really a fake-out to confuse the Dems so they can't call the GOP nativists for opposing the immigration bill. The GOP will say, see, even the Pres wants the immigration bill.
Not so sure that I agree with this joker. Immigration is the primary concern of conservatives. Haven't heard any progressives talking about immigration. The primary concern that I heard was single payer health care.
debmac85 @ 2:
Cheney ISthe issue. And the problem.
IMHO Bush is pushing this immigration bill to help get Jeb the immigrant vote when he runs for president in 2012. Jeb also is married to a Mexican woman so they will get many votes from Mexican/Americans.
American Psycho Says: I finally shut them up by saying that if Jesus were walking the earth today, you republicans and/or christians would be the very people who would smear, attack and crucify him for his anti-war views.
Amen!
Yah, nationalizing our health care is far more important than allowing in more illegal immigrants. The Democrats should push that. I just saw Michael Moore's new movie, sicko, and it is really ashame that Cuba's medical devlivery system is so far better and more advanced than here in the USA.
If Cuba can do it, so can we; that's what the Democrats need to get behind. That is why Hillary is the best candidate.
Broder reminds me so much of a great columnist in Chicago named Mike Royko.
He was quite the trailblazer in his prime in the 60s and 70s, but he got more and more conservative and more and more out of touch as time went on.
By the time he died, his column was viewed by anyone under 50 as something akin to a daily comic.
It's a shame when these guys try to hang on too long.
Fortunately, we still have Daniel Schore. He may be very old, but he is still "up to date" and "cutting edge". Too bad for Broder who looks like he has alszheimers.
joyce and American Psycho:
Bush is supporting this bill because he is a true blue corporatist who wants to provide a steady stream of cheap labor for his benefactors.
Yes, but why would Bush support the immigration bill if most of the new hispanic immigrants would likely vote for the Democrats. It must be more than just coropoare interest. Probably because he also has closeness to the Mexicans, coming from Texas.
PNAAC Minister @ 34:
Here we go again... boy Bush and his corporatists would love to have things just like they were in 1900. Then we can have another workers sitdowns and walkouts.
joyce @ 35:
Only those that become citizens will be voting. The vast majority will be "guest workers" (i.e. indentured slaves).
The public isn't all that hot about immigration. That's what the MSM and the White House are pushing. It is a distraction. The public are upset about Iraq.
This member of the public is upset that we have a criminal in the White House who has staged a coup and overthrown OUR government and the MSM and the people in congress and in the Senate don't give a good goddamn, and even the blogs allow themselves to be distracted by every bone that the White House and the MSM throws them.
Dick Cheney has declared himself the government of the United States. Answerable to no one, accountable to no one. He sets policy and won't tell the american people who he consulted, he outs CIA agents for political purposes, he decides what laws apply to the US and what don't and yet no one, NO ONE is taking this seriously.
Dick Cheney must be impeached and he must be indicted and tried for the crimes against America.
Everything else is just distraction.
PNACC minister, then how in the heck can Democrats say they are backing the immigration bill if it is merely making "indentured slaves". Maybe Broder is right after all!
If our government really wanted to halt illegal immigration, it would spend money on helping lesser-developed nations grow economically so that their citizens wouldn't have to illegally immigrate in order to survive. Supporting the UN Millennium Development Goals to end poverty would a great step to take, rather than funneling money into inefficient border patrol. According to the Borgen Project, just $19 billion annually would end starvation. Put into perspective, we have a $522 billion military budget.
foolme1, maybe you've got something there. This immigration bill is merely to distract attention away from Iraq, nothing more.
ellec, I agree, we surely can afford to feed the rest of the world and help them reach our level of affluence. Just take away some of the money we spend on Iraq and Darfur.
Sorry, I mean spend more on Darfur and less on Iraq.
With the congressional job-approval rating at %25 (http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?Feed=ACBJ...),
what can you say except that Broder's right?
"People ARE fed up," as Broder puts it, "With seeing Washington bickering, fighting, infighting and never dealing with the issue."
Immigration simply isn't as big of an issue for most Dems, probably because of the simple geography of most "red states". Like Bush, many Dems do favor a guest worker program and better enforcement but in general, the Dems just like seeing the repugs beat themselves up over this.
So PNACC, you think that maybe the Dems are pushing this just because they like to see GOP divide over this. There must be more. I would agree the main purpose for the immigration bill is probably merely to distract from Iraq. we can't let the GOP escape from iraq on that basis.
Some Dems and BUSH are pushing. You can bet that W and the neocons love the distraction caused by the debate.
Bottom line, I don't blame Mexico since we stole the southwest USA from them in the first place. They deserve a right to come here.
David Broder is just one of many CIA-paid media whores. Paid to crank out the right-wing crap, week after week, year after year. Most of the Friday and Sunday talking head political TV shows are populated by about 80% very right-wing rich old white guys. Well paid to shovel the crap. It's a job, and it beats actually working for a living...
Mr. Sayre, I'm with you on this. I'm sick and tired of the right-wing domination of ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN, pretending to be for the left. The CIA has to be stopped!
People are fed up with seeing Washington bickering, fighting, infighting and never dealing with the issue.
Um, I'm not. I still have a whole case of popcorn to get through...
Bob Schieffer blamed the Democrats for scuttling the Immigration bill on June 17th during his final comment.
Turd!
Coffins draped with flags @ 28:
well, duh!
Broder is such a tool, him, Russert, & Matthews represent political analysis at it's most shallow, sort of a Mary Hart, John Tesh of the Beltway.
I'm sure I've got it all wrong, but wasn't the 1986 Immigration Bill, signed by REAGAN, a disaster, cause they never secured the border, and 12 MILLION people got AMNESTY with THAT REPUBLICAN BILL?
Probably the best piece ever.
frig @ 48:
Mexicans have no such right unless they invade and win a war with the US.
Why don't all US whites go back to Europe and leave the US to the Native Americans?
Why don't all Australians and New Zealanders go back to Europe?
Why don't all South African whites go back to Europe?
I'll tell you why. European countries, unlike the US, punish and deport illegal immigrants.
They have very strict immigration quotas and select only the most promising applicants.
I'd leave the US tomorrow if another European country would have me, but they don't want my sorry ass.
It's one of two possibilities:
1. Do a Broder brain scan;
2. Follow the money.
grandy @ 31:
Hillary wants single payer? With no insurance companies involved?
Jo @ 60:
Nah. Ms. Clinton takes mucho dinero from the insurance companies, as documented in SiCKO.
I don't think that was her plan even in the early 1990s.
Hillary is too pro-AIPAC for me.
I prefer Paul, Kucinich, or Gravel, but Gore would be OK with me.
I've grown to have nothing but disdain for David Broder. There's absolutely no doubt what side of the fence he falls on. He's another one of those who never met a democrat he didn't seek to trash crowd. He'd be perfect for Fox News.
The tortured logic:
If Republicans hold up any resolution to the immigration issue and prevent legislation from passing, it spells doom for the Democrats... as badly or worse than 2006 was for the Republicans in 2006... because it's the Democrats that are in charge and will get all the blame???
Okay, he's an idiot... but then again, so has become the average voter in this country. And after a few minutes in the GOP spin cycle, I'm not so sure he'd be wrong. :(
Someone please remind me why this guy is taken seriously.
People are sick and tired of REPUBLICANS NOT DOING THEIR JOB DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION.
When will the people who voted ALL THESE REPUBLICANS INTO OFFICE understand that Democrats are NOT
sitting here waiting for some holy apology. We just want you to think of our COUNTRY instead of your party, or
your pride, or your fear of being called wrong.
It's okay to be wrong. Nobody in the planet Earth knows everything. That is why you guys invented GOD.
So that there is an idea of an entity that CAN know everything, and you can bow to his knowledge.
So don't you think that GOD would forgive you if you stayed home and kept your opinions out of the ballot boxes this time?
You have done enough damage to our way of life, our job market, our economy, our constitution, our military, our treasury, our medical system, our system of caring for the old and the sick and the poor.
Why don't you just sit this one out and let the passionate half of the nation try to pick up the pieces of the 40 years of damage you have wrought on the nation?
Yes I am talking to each and every republican in America.
If you love your nation... stay home and relax while we replace your thugs with compassionate people.
Impeachment off the table = Let the bodies hit the floor.
How about a little ENFORCEMENT against these scumbag employers who get labor BELOW slave wages.
Its like Tales from the crypt meets leave it to beaver.
Interestingly they leave out what little republicans accomplished during their tenure.
And Broder should not be speaking for me. If they are not bickering in Congress to hammer out issues, Their not doing their jobs. Their ideology demands the bickering.
Its just that the Democrats are allowing the Republicans their voice for their constituents. Unlike the Republicans who completely left out the American constituents voice through their representatives.
Its just that the Republicans should use their voice in respect of America that people are dying for as we speak.
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IF Broder is to be right, immigration as being the people's business, then the usurpation of our Constitution by the Bush Administration and members of Congress doesn't matter, NO? Because, after all, when the President does it, that means it's not illegal. RIGHT?
AND
IF Broder is to right, then he needs to acknowledge that the military currently depends upon a few, proud immigrants to die for the lie he's helped propagate, and to loose them from the ranks of enlisted to go wait in lines for visas back home in Mexico doesn't comport. Does it?
TWO MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES FACING AMERICA, RIGHT NOW ARE:
~ ENDING THE WAR
... This is bringing the troops home OR winning it yesterday. Either way, IT. MUST. STOP!
The war is draining our Nation from resources, National Guard, and treasury.
~ IMPEACHING THE CRIMINALS
... Saving our Nation is paramount! Direct assaults and usurpations of our Constitution and Birth Rights have occurred by members of this Administration and Congress. It is NOT acceptable to let it become codified as acceptable to act against the people. Acting against the Nation and her People so as to inflict harm to the Nation or the Constitution IS TREASON!
After that, I need some health care. I'll even pay my taxes for that.
Immigration? Enforce the law. It's only broken because you don't use it idiots!
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Max-1 @ 69:
p.s.
I want my America back! No duh? Don't you?
Seriously though...
John, please consider pushing the two issues I note above. That, failing to "press" the issue when it matters, as we've learned on the lack of issue pressing that the "press" didn't push concerning the Iraq war run up, failing to "press" issues makes you seem more "press" like. That is to say, complicity only requires silence. I think we need to become more vocal and less, far less silent about our National health.
Dave you are a Dinosaur. Go back to the middle ages!!!!
The minds of the old are like musical chairs. His music stopped playing and he sat down in the "democrats are in trouble" chair. We are in the midst of one of the greatest gop implosions since the 1970s and all Broder knows is that the democrats are in trouble. This is likely all he will know until they send him to the glue factory. A republican owned glue factory... and then his ghost will blame the democrats for buying the glue.
And as for "being fed up with bickering and fighting". I can understand that he might long for the days of one-party rule again, judging by his republican sympathies, but the only time I have any confidence in the government is when they are throwing shoes at each other. They tried one party rule, it was called the soviet union. Didnt work out. Well, unless you were really into vodka and poverty, then it was ok.
I think that the fact that Woody Bush is really pushing for passing an immigration bill ought to be setting off alarms for Dems. Almost without exception anything Woody is for, is bad for the country. Every time I think he's finally going to do something I can halfway get behind it turns out that once you get past the title, the legislation or program is utter dreck (e.g., "Clean Skies", "No Child Left Behind", "Healthy Forests", etc.). Beware of freaks bearing gifts!
In 2004, republicans bragged in joy & glee they would usher in 40 years of dominance of their party in american politics, how funny in just a short 3 years many in this party of elite modern day "Pharisee's" are worrying about doing 40 years in US federal prisons instead....or being impeached on war crimes, hatch act, corruption with their k-street buddy Abrhamoff and company, they are so desperate too win back popularity they are again going too the "Well in Hollywood" and getting a "B-grade actor" but that dog will not fight is my guess, a Ronald Reagan he is not...., and many who idolized Reagan over 25 years ago, have gone too the great here after, and this new fellow, has as much non-conservative baggage as the ex-new york mayor with all his multiple divorces and flip flopping on issues..., but the real thing is democrats lost their racists in 1960's too the loving arms of the republicans....., who now see they cannot control this ravenous mad dog they adopted, and they cannot pander too the "brown vote" which they absolutely have too have too win elections, pandering too the brown vote, looses their mad dog racist/bigots, whom the democratic party let go a long time ago, without a doubt the racists are the most vocal on illegal immigration, but given a choice between a democrat who is pro-illegal and a republican who is anti-illegal democrats are not voting in mass for any right wing republican, and moderate/independant voters are not ravenous dogs, who live on one issue, the mistake of republicans is they have played the hate, division card and its coming home too roost on their house...! No amount of spin meisters from the right wing can spin this any way but a pox on their house is what is coming..
The "immigration debate" is this year's "gay marriage debate."
It's not that I lack respect for the issue. Rather, I tend to think that an illegal war of conquest in Iraq, a terrifying erosion of civil rights, and an insane, irresponsible Executive Branch of the U.S. government take precedence over it to an overwhelming degree.
Broder is so over the hill...and in the pockets of the GOP.
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