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Although I have yet to embrace the Harry Potter phenomenon -- almost 400 million books in print! -- I figured I would mark the occasion of the final book's release with this classic clip of the crazy lady from Jesus Camp.

And while I'm on the subject, let me say something about Harry Potter: Warlocks are enemies of God. And I don't care what kind of hero they are, they're an enemy of God. And had it been in the Old Testament, Harry Potter would have been put to death! You don't make heroes out of warlocks!

How this doesn't qualify as psychological child abuse is beyond me. Poor kids.



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religion is child abuse. What's the suprise here?

eff harry potter and eff rowling an her plagerism from many sources, and dumbing down those sources to make her books palatable to the masses.

lets look back upon this week

a week that saw the dems try another political stunt that was doomed from the start....our king continues to remain above the law...the country cares more about a football player abusing dogs than it does a prez that sends thousands to their deaths and dismemberment in a worthless war...that same prez (still miffed that the amnesty bill doesnt pass) says that he doesnt want to force americans to do jobs they dont want to do (way to put down the american worker, and way to change the language about not wanting to do jobs)...the labor sec says we all cant dress well, and we stink and lufa boy says kos is a hate site (while he asks a beauty contestant lurid questions for masterbation fodder)

have i missed anything? have we fallen further down the rabbit hole?

doug mcc...not in all cases, but that case? Absolutely. IMO, religion should be taught from an anthropological perspective until about the age of 12 or 14 (formal operational thinking + some maturity)...then, they can start making their own decisions.

what's sad is that people like this lady are such a minority - a vocal one, of course - but they really are a minority. But, since they're totally crazy, they get all the publicity. Too bad. Just listen to somebody like Obama talk about his faith...i may not agree with all that he believes in faith-wise, but he understands that, with the divine, nothing is certain.

Once one declares to know the mind of god and all that it means, it ceases to be god at all....oh, the paradoxes of life...

Huh huh huh, she said Harry...

I have a secret for her: There's no real magic.

religion sucks the brains out of humans

I guess I shouldn't show her my copy of "Hairy Peter and the Chamber of Hookers."

Sweet baby Jeebus, Uncle Joe...take a chill pill.

I for one am eagerly looking forward to receiving my copy of 'Deathly Hollows' tomorrow.

"Harry Potter would have been put to death." Just a basic doctrinal statement from a representative of a blood sacrifice religion.

Can't we instruct children in good vrs bad and why they should be strong members of the human race with good character with out throwing religion into it? Why do we have to bull shit the most defenseless members. The tooth fairy, santa claus,vampires and goblins. What the hell are we doing this for. Can't we teach them to have imagination in ways other then this?

Good- let her stand proudly against Harry Potter. I expect alot of those kids will choose entertaining fiction over psychotic fiction.

Arnie continues to screw
needy Californians.

She seems to think that Harry Potter is a real person, who can be physically killed. As in "In the good old days, Adam Sandler would have been put to death!"

Maybe people like that think that if it's been printed, it must be true. That would explain why they follow the Repub talking points("They newspapers all say Iraq will kill us all in our beds, so it must be true if it was printed in the paper").

Rockefeller plays Republicrat again: The Senate Commerce Committee on Thursday approved a bill sponsored by West Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller that would effectively overturn a court decision barring the FCC from fining broadcasters for airing fleeting expletives in live broadcasts. FCC Chairman Kevin Martin welcomed the lawmakers' action, saying that it would affirm "the commission's ability to protect our children from indecent language and images." However Dennis Wharton, a spokesman for the National Association of Broadcasters insisted that broadcasters "go to great lengths to prevent [indecent] language, and it is disingenuous to suggest otherwise." And Nick Gillespie, editor-in-chief at the libertarian Reason magazine, told CNSNews.com, a unit of the conservative Media Research Center, that Congress ought to be dealing with such issues as terrorism and poverty. "This helps explain why congressional approval ratings are at 14 percent and going down."

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You have to keep that big woman from being in charge of anything...
Somebody needs to bop her on the head and tell her she's cured!

This is stupid.

However all religions have their stupid, even bigoted incantations. Like a woman can't touch a male Jew when he has a block of wood on his forehead. Muslims, (and others) cutting off a young girl's clitoris supposedly to keep her from turning into a sex wanton whore. Not eating pork and all this food taboo bullshit....ect...ect...

Its not just Christians.

Dow Jones director doesn't want to be employed by Murdoch. S. Korea gives up on Afghanistan.

simply
she is an ignorant piece of shit.
i am tired of people who speak for god. if they actually had a direct line
they would spread the love and joy the "bible" ascribes to not this venom and hate,
the american crap version that has been bastardized.

guess i will burn in their version of hell, i am an agnostic. i know the difference
between real compassion and empathy versus their demeaning feces breath.

I once overheard a mother admonishing her son (about 8 years old) in a Target store as she pried his fingers loose from a Harry Potter DVD: "That's not good. Harry Potter doesn't know Jesus." Yeah, it's important to choose sides when it comes to competing fantasies -- except that Harry Potter is sold in the fiction section in recognition of its nature while the Bible gets sold in its own special religion section of the bookstore (saving booksellers from the danger of having to categorize it).

I'm pretty sure that mother would be in cheerful agreement with the pudgy fascist from Jesus Camp. I borrowed her comment as the title of a post concerning how Coral Ridge Ministries sees a fund-raising opportunity in the latest Potter publicity. Coral Ridge is pushing a book by a "cult expert" who attempts to analyze "good" fantasy (e.g., Narnia) versus "bad" fantasy (Harry Potter, of course). Time to pass the collection plate! [Link]

rockefeller needs to concentrate on the reasons for war inquiry and leave the dumb stuff to the republicans.

We need to teach our children what is right and wrong. How to have good character. How to be good citizens. Why do we have to bullshit them? Religion,the tooth fairy,santa claus,vampires and goblins. I am sure we can teach them how to have imagination in other ways. Why pick on the most defenseless of us?

Hey site monitor. Where do some of our comments go for a while? I did a little different version of an earlier one that did not show up.

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How this has reached the level of an important " news" story is an abomination and a disgrace for the so called news channels, and after hearing Kyra Phillips(CNN) laughing uncontrollably about H.P. was a disgrace and embarrassment for the so called news program.

In the same category is all the fricken time they spend on how much money movies make, or a book makes, as if this is a legitimate news story, personally I don't give a rats ass how much money ANY movies makes.

Pathetically at the same time, they could have reported bUsh's new executive order, i found on Rense.com , after which I verified on the White House Govt. web site. Bush signed on July 17th, Executive Order - blocking Property of Certain Persons who (threaten) Stabilization efforts in Iraq.

B. undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction.

There's more to it, otherwise protesters, persons aiding in directly or indirectly challenging bush's economic occupation in Iraq, here in the U.S. GET IT?
ANYBODY protesting or what they deem as "interfering " with say, Haliburton or Bechtel can have their PROPERTY SEIZED .

Send money to the wrong group, or interfere with the war profiteers scandalous ambitions in Iraq, and keep in mind it's U.S. law for Citizens HERE, will subject themselves to forfiture laws, signed by the Fuhrer.

Sad day for the media not reporting this important story, sadder for the citizens of the United States of America.

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Darth Romney @ 25:

[deleted--don't advocate violence.]

But you'll post a video about some cow advocating putting Harry Potter to death! Besides, when's the last time you've seriously seen anyone in America burnt at the stake. Lighten up!

It really IS child abuse by definition. She and her cohorts should be arrested. We have better uses for our prison system than locking up hookers and pot smokers.

What the hell? Regardless of what some people seem to think, religion is not a necessary element of stupidity or bigotry. If you're inclined to prejudice and hate, you will interpret your religion accordingly. Same goes for ideology or patriotism.

Did somebody say that Dick Cheney would be president while Dubya is in the hospital getting Roto-Rootered?

Is the Nuclear Football under competent guard? I have this uneasy feeling that Armageddon is about to be imanually mplemented.

Religion has been the cause of many wars. Does this speak to religion or the humans who practice it?

I think some Gene Robinson makes a nice antidote for scary "Christianity"...

A little while ago, in the only time that the Archbishop of Canterbury ever deigned to see me, we were having a little "chat", and at one point in our conversation, he was explaining to me that, actually what the Episcopal church should have done prior to electing and consecrating me, was that we should have figured all this out theologically and intellectually... We should have come to a common mind, and then passed canons and and then done this thing. And I said to him with as much respect as I could, "Your Grace, it seems to me that all of the great steps that has taken, have been as a result of our doing the right thing, and only then, "thinking" our way to what we did. It's not the other way around. I mean, if we had waited for instance in this country for everyone to have been on the same page about civil rights, there would still be separate drinking fountains, wouldn't there? And if we had waited until women were valued as equal and full members of society and the human race for goodness sakes, all of that discrimination would still exist.

And, does anyone think that if those 11 women hadn't been "irregularly" ordained in Philadelphia, that we would be ordaining women yet? I'm not sure we would! And it seems that all the great steps forward we have made have been a result of our doing the right thing, and then thinking our way theologically to how that was the right thing.

I didn't take a single look at this thread (or any others for days now) for fear of retard buttheads posting spoilers! For any of you who did or have or will....!!!??

YOUR JUNK IS AS tiny AS THAT ONE GIRL WHO SAW YOU NAKED SAID THEY ARE AND YOUR MOTHER NEVER LOVED YOU!

Hah!

Now go ruin someone else's fun, uber-troll!

(apologies to any nice, normal people on this thread who didn't deserve that)

btw C&L,

Why even TEMPT those lurking fun-busters with this thread?

Kidding. It's all good.

Bob Roberts @ 28:

What the hell? Regardless of what some people seem to think, religion is not a necessary element of stupidity or bigotry. If you're inclined to prejudice and hate, you will interpret your religion accordingly. Same goes for ideology or patriotism.

exactly....it's not religion that is whacked...it's the nut-jobs' interpretation of religion. If they didn't have religion as a way of spewing hate, they'd find something else...

Ali @ 30:

Religion has been the cause of many wars. Does this speak to religion or the humans who practice it?

Religion has been the cause of very few wars. Greed, racism, nationalism and the quest for power has been the cause of far more.

there is nothing like someone arguing from a point of ignorance...

Harry Potter and his fictional friends celebrate Christmas and Easter, Their whole storyline is devoted to battling evil. The heroes of the stories are compassionate and high-minded.

And, all in all? they are entertaining reads.

Ali @ 30:

Religion has been the cause of many wars. Does this speak to religion or the humans who practice it?

Well since Chimpanzees have organized wars between "tribes", I would say that religion is but one excuse Humans make to make war. I also find it fascinating that Chimpanzees eat their enemies and pass around the meat of their dead enemies bodies, sharing bite after bite in macabre ritual.

Only the paranoid need ritual.

The Vatican asks
Ga. not to execute Troy Davis.

tyree @ 6:

religion sucks the brains out of humans

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I think you are right. How else could they swallow that nonsence.

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Bob I don't know that much about eastern religions other then they have a lot of life philosophy in them. I have read the book of mormon and and quite a bit on the muslim religion and of course a lot on western religions. Other then eastern the rest are all full of bigotry. The one true god is a part of all of them. Why is being divisive so important to all of them. Why is our history so full of things like we came here for religious freedom? Why do modern US religious groups go out of their way to say publicly that the other religions are not true religions? It sounds like a ford dealer telling a customer that chevrolet is a bad car. Just marketing. Why do they need marketing? What are they trying to sell?

Religious nuts like her should be sterilized so that they will not breed and propagate more religious cretins and Republicans.

I'm afraid that these kids are going to grow up to have serious issues in coping with real life and its experiences. Let alone being capable to live in society.

They will grow up to assassinate Dumbo the flying elephant, and hate all those that are not like them.

Where in society will the fit?

This is proof that "The Children are Our Future" is complete b.s.
These children are our early Medieval Period.

PRISON THRILLER!

An entire Prison Recreates Thriller Video, you got to see it to believe it.

mark @ 41:

... Why is being divisive so important to all of them. Why is our history so full of things like we came here for religious freedom? Why do modern US religious groups go out of their way to say publicly that the other religions are not true religions? ...

Not sure I can answer this, but I'll give a shot. Religion can be divisive for the same reason any other beliefs can be. Once you are a member of a group, you can define your membership by your opposition to other groups. If the other group's views are as valid as yours, why stay with your group?

Religion is no more divisive than ideology. Liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, libertarians and communists. People who are determined to find groups which define themselves as superior to other groups don't need religion to do it.

Religion need not be divisive. One of the fundamental tenets of the New Testament is that God is Love, not Hate. The Qu'ran exhorts peoples of the book (monotheists) to tolerate each others views. More importantly, many religious people support and respect others desire to discover the divine for themselves.

I also think the MSM gives a distorted view of religion. People discussing their religious views in a rational and calm manner just don't make as compelling viewing as extremists preaching hate. Viewers are more likely to remember scenes of screaming protesters throwing fake (if you're lucky) blood outside an abortion clinic than they are a conversation with a Catholic priest discussing the rationale for his beliefs.

Finally, religion (like nationalism and ideology) inspires people. That inspiration can be used for good or ill. If I wanted to start and perpetuate a war to preserve or expand my hold on power, I can use all three to motivate my supporters.

Salmineo @ 37:

Ali @ 30:

Religion has been the cause of many wars. Does this speak to religion or the humans who practice it?

Well since Chimpanzees have organized wars between "tribes", I would say that religion is but one excuse Humans make to make war. I also find it fascinating that Chimpanzees eat their enemies and pass around the meat of their dead enemies bodies, sharing bite after bite in macabre ritual.

Only the paranoid need ritual.

I guess I'm not the only who's watched Planet Earth?

Religion is bad and anyone that believes in God should [deleted] and not allowed to vote, even if they intend to vote (D). F everyone who doesn't think the way the true progressives do. "It's our way or the highway!". Good luck with that, you dumb f*cks.

Robt @ 43:

I'm afraid that these kids are going to grow up to have serious issues in coping with real life and its experiences. Let alone being capable to live in society.

They will grow up to assassinate Dumbo the flying elephant, and hate all those that are not like them.

Where in society will the fit?

Close, but no cigar. Jesus Camp actually shows how these kids are indoctrinated to use violence to spread their form of Christianity. I wonder how many Timothy Mcveighs there will be in the future.

Why would anyone want to belong to a chuch led by someone so stupid and hateful?

If that church lady was born in Baghdad she would be a Muslim and think Christains are infidels.

Child brainwashing works. Tony the Tiger convinced me at the age of 4 that Frosted Flakes taste GRRRRREAT!

ldzppln @ 49:

Religion is bad and anyone that believes in God should [deleted] and not allowed to vote, even if they intend to vote (D). F everyone who doesn't think the way the true progressives do. "It's our way or the highway!". Good luck with that, you dumb f*cks.

Dude, now you're just sounding like THEM. People can believe whatever they want to believe. It's just that religion should have no place in politics and we need to work on that whole separation of church and state thing. That's all.

TIKI AL @ 52:

If that church lady was born in Baghdad she would be a Muslim and think Christains are infidels.

Child brainwashing works. Tony the Tiger convinced me at the age of 4 that Frosted Flakes taste GRRRRREAT!

Thanks for making the assertion that everyone born in Baghdad or anyone born a Muslim hates Christians. Nicely done. WTF is wrong with you?

Tony the Tiger convinced me at the age of 4 that Frosted Flakes taste GRRRRREAT!

They do, don't they?

Actually if the church lady was born in Baghdad she would be planting IEDs and killing Americans.

Yes they do taste great.

Back then they had truth in child brainwashing laws.

now here is something interesting. it is not surprising that fox noise declares the republicans winners and the democrats losers in this last week's overnight debate over the war -- even suggesting that it was a nonevent...

but they declare uncle joe leebermun no longer is a democrat from con-neck-tee-cut. there is an "i" behind his name. hmmm. i wonder what that might stand for...?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290223,00.html

...

i do want to wish the president well tomorrow. i mean, i really do hope they find his brains. they will be looking in the right place...

Ugh. That gluttonous slob of a woman is hideous. I can't stand christian fundamentalists. They are terrorists. They murdered numerous innocent women during the Salem Witch Trials. They participated in the genocide of the Native American People during the Western expansion, calling them "heathens". They fill the ranks of the evil Klu Klux Klan. They bomb abortion clinics murdering doctors and women alike. Perhaps more that any other group in America, besides the neocon inner circle, they love the war in Iraq and actually pray for the destruction of the world. I'm sick of them butting into other people's lives. I'd like to ship them to an island with an equal number of muslim fundamentalists and let them duke it out with their own kind.

I'm holding out for 'Harry Potter and the Colonoscopy'

Republicans have no respect for law enforcement officers.

Congressman clashes with police

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Republican Rep. Christopher Shays apologized Friday for a loud and angry altercation he had a day earlier with a Capitol Police officer, saying he behaved “in a way I know was not appropriate.”

Shays spokesman John Cardarelli said the incident took place at the West Front entrance to the Capitol during a rainstorm when the congressman was trying to locate a group of his Connecticut constituents who were coming for a Capitol tour.

you can't stop ignorance, especially with the response of more ignorance.
you can't stop hatred, especially with the response of more hatred.
you can't stop violence, especially with the response of more violence.

It's in the genetic makeup.

So I'm going to see Harry Potter tomorrow because it's been fun and it's going to be fun.
Then I'm going to my friend's cookout.

Gotta chill once in a while, you know? It's in the genetic makeup. I'm sure of it.

TIKI AL @ 56:

Actually if the church lady was born in Baghdad she would be planting IEDs and killing Americans.

ignorant and pathetic. that must have taken some extra thought.

OK Bob
I understand that people are constantly in pursuit of identity groups. Sex, age, employment, sports, race etc. Religion seems to be on the same level as the others. Why do religions demand special treatment? Tax exempt for example. They are another special interest group just like the others. They pitch their program to the consumer just like the others. Ford, chevy, toyota and honda. There are many lists of groups. One product provider will claim to be superior to others in the group. Nothing new here. But then again, car dealers do not claim to designate saints. Home builders do not save souls. I agree greed is probably the greatest factor in wars starting but why do we say the protestants and the catholics are fighting in northern ireland? The sunni and shiite. The jews do not deserve a home land. There are a lot of phrases coming from different groups that are religious based and people do not call them on it.

"Put to death" - applause.

Preach on bitch...........

“Harry Potter would have been put to death” - applause.

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Phej Omatic @ 67:

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sloth is a sin too fat lady

Batocchio @ 51:

Why would anyone want to belong to a chuch led by someone so stupid and hateful?

Why is sunday the most segregated day in America?

In the 'Book of Acts', the first practice of 'christianity' is described.
Skip past the 'tongues of fire' and go to the parts where people 'fellowship' and 'worship'.
Then find some of those types of 'christians' in practice.

I am assured that no group led by haggard, swaggart, fallwell, phelps or the pope practices the 'christianity' described in the book they use as a reference. Yet the 'book' is referred to constantly.

But really. it's not even the same book. there are at least 15 'current' versions of the 'good book', all suited to separate idiosyncrasies.

BaScOmBe @ 62:

you can't stop ignorance, especially with the response of more ignorance.
you can't stop hatred, especially with the response of more hatred.
you can't stop violence, especially with the response of more violence.

It's in the genetic makeup.

So I'm going to see Harry Potter tomorrow because it's been fun and it's going to be fun.
Then I'm going to my friend's cookout.

Gotta chill once in a while, you know? It's in the genetic makeup. I'm sure of it.

Have fun, BaScOmBe!

ldzppln @ 49:

Religion is bad and anyone that believes in God should [deleted] and not allowed to vote, even if they intend to vote (D). F everyone who doesn't think the way the true progressives do. "It's our way or the highway!". Good luck with that, you dumb f*cks.

should each demonination [deleted]?

Site Monitor: Let's not keep this line of discussion going. Pretty soon, Bill O'Reilly will hold this thread up as an example of the violent fantasies of the left.

miss_kitty @ 71:

BaScOmBe @ 62:

you can't stop ignorance, especially with the response of more ignorance.
you can't stop hatred, especially with the response of more hatred.
you can't stop violence, especially with the response of more violence.

It's in the genetic makeup.

So I'm going to see Harry Potter tomorrow because it's been fun and it's going to be fun.
Then I'm going to my friend's cookout.

Gotta chill once in a while, you know? It's in the genetic makeup. I'm sure of it.

Have fun, BaScOmBe!

thanks miss_kitty! :)

ldzppln Says:
Republicans have no respect for law enforcement officers.
Congressman clashes with police

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Republican Rep. Christopher Shays apologized Friday for a loud and angry altercation he had a day earlier with a Capitol Police officer, saying he behaved “in a way I know was not appropriate.”
Shays spokesman John Cardarelli said the incident took place at the West Front entrance to the Capitol during a rainstorm when the congressman was trying to locate a group of his Connecticut constituents who were coming for a Capitol tour.

If poor white trash like me did that to a cop in my neighborhood I'm either beaten, killed or imprisoned.

mark @ 68:

Phej Omatic @ 67:

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This fat woman makes me want to watch the first 10 minutes of the movie "Zeitgest" over and over again.

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I wish Cynthia McKinney was still in Congress.
And about being born in Bagdad. I think she is saying if that particular woman was born in a country with a majority if muslim poplulation SHE would be crazy as hell. Not the other people being born there? true.

"How this doesn’t qualify as psychological child abuse is beyond me. Poor kids."

Problem is those poor kids are going to be the ignorant @holes we'll have to argue with online in 15 years.

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#64 mark

That statement leads me to question your faith. You obviously do not believe in God. I (respectfully) ask you: In what do YOU believe? Are your convictions in the Environ Movement? A very powerful belief system. Or the Peace Movement.

You also hate Jews. Why?

Why do they not deserve a home land?

I read your commenting policy before my first post way back when. I just read it again. I don't see the part that applies. This is a three part film that has some information about 9/11 in the middle part only. When or why or how did discussing any of these three parts become banned?

RTLM @ 81:

#64 mark

That statement leads me to question your faith. You obviously do not believe in God. I (respectfully) ask you: In what do YOU believe? Are your convictions in the Environ Movement? A very powerful belief system. Or the Peace Movement.

You also hate Jews. Why?

Why do they not deserve a home land?

Please go back and read it again. I did not claim the phrases as mine.

mark @ 83:

RTLM @ 81:

#64 mark

That statement leads me to question your faith. You obviously do not believe in God. I (respectfully) ask you: In what do YOU believe? Are your convictions in the Environ Movement? A very powerful belief system. Or the Peace Movement.

You also hate Jews. Why?

Why do they not deserve a home land?

Please go back and read it again. I did not claim the phrases as mine.

But you do subscribe to them...

RTLM @ 84:

mark @ 83:

RTLM @ 81:

#64 mark
That statement leads me to question your faith. You obviously do not believe in God. I (respectfully) ask you: In what do YOU believe? Are your convictions in the Environ Movement? A very powerful belief system. Or the Peace Movement.
You also hate Jews. Why?
Why do they not deserve a home land?

Please go back and read it again. I did not claim the phrases as mine.

But you do subscribe to them...

Please do not put words in my mouth. You can turn on any station any day and here these things.

[I read the comment RTLM, and believe me, if I'd taken what was said the way you did, the comment would not be left on the board. I believe you are misinterpreting mark's comment, and he's telling you that as well. You can drop it-Sitemonitor]

[I read the comment RTLM, and believe me, if I'd taken what was said the way you did, the comment would not be left on the board. I believe you are misinterpreting mark's comment, and he's telling you that as well. You can drop it. Now. You're trying to start a flame war over something you misread-Sitemonitor]

TIKI AL @ 56:

Actually if the church lady was born in Baghdad she would be planting IEDs and killing Americans.

It sounds like Frosted Flakes aren't the only thing you were brainwashed about.
You simply don't know the facts. You're spewing crap as if it were true. I guess you skipped the "Debate Club" back in school and spent your time smoking and looking at porn in the boy's bathroom.

If she were born in Baghdad she'd probably be either a refugee in a neighboring country by now, or she'd be hiding in her house hoping the catastrophe would end soon. But, then again, I didn't expect you to know anything about that. You're hopeless.

Well site monitor it looks like every one else has gone to bed and so will I. I would appreciate some feed back on my question at #82. By the time you started responding to these comments we had been on the subject for a while. If you check, you will see that I like to participate on a daily basis. These are my first deletes and I am interested in why.

[9/11 conspiracy discussions tend to spin out of control. The site has a strict policy about stopping 9/11, Illuminati and various conspiracy theory discussions, as there are better sites to accommodate these discussions. We appreciate your understanding in this matter-Sitemonitor]

Every time I hear this psycho Fundy witch open her trap I just want to remind her that "in the testiment" women were not allowed to speak in most religious settings.... and she would have been stoned to death for wearing pants.

Thanks. I searched Illuminati from you comment. Never heard of it before. Lots of wild stuff there. Good night.

Bob Roberts @ 47:

mark @ 41:

... Why is being divisive so important to all of them. Why is our history so full of things like we came here for religious freedom? Why do modern US religious groups go out of their way to say publicly that the other religions are not true religions? ...

Not sure I can answer this, but I'll give a shot. Religion can be divisive for the same reason any other beliefs can be. Once you are a member of a group, you can define your membership by your opposition to other groups. If the other group's views are as valid as yours, why stay with your group?

Religion is no more divisive than ideology. Liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, libertarians and communists. People who are determined to find groups which define themselves as superior to other groups don't need religion to do it.

I respectfully disagree. I think there is something inherently more divisive about religion than about other ideologies or identities. Namely, by teaching that faith -- belief without or contrary to evidence -- is a virtue, religion has a unique manner of stopping all potential conversation. Whenever people have disagreements, for all intents and purposes, there are two ways of settling the disagreement: discussion and violence. The main difference between people who disagree politically and people who disagree about matters of faith is that the former can more easily engage in normative discourse to persuade one another to their viewpoint. Likewise, scientists who disagree about an empirical matter are more prone to discussion, each willing (in principle) to be proven wrong. Faith, on the other hand is, in principle, unwaivering.

Certainly, not all religions preach the same normative doctrines or even the same metaphysics. But once a person takes on faith that her actions and way of life are ordained by an omniscient deity, we can only hope that her actions and way of life are non-violent; discussion and persuasion are out of the picture for such a person, in a way that they never quite are for the liberal, the conservative, the libertarian or the communist.

I would certainly like to live in the kind of world your words conjure, but I do not think we can get there until we recognize the inherent dangers of faith-based divisions, and stop according faith and religion special respect and deference.

Religion need not be divisive. One of the fundamental tenets of the New Testament is that God is Love, not Hate. The Qu'ran exhorts peoples of the book (monotheists) to tolerate each others views. More importantly, many religious people support and respect others desire to discover the divine for themselves.

Perhaps, but another tenet of those texts are that those who do not subscribe to them have a reservation for eternity in the most exquisite torture chambers conceivable. No, not all religions preach such horrors, and not all adherents of the two monotheistic faiths that do subscribe to that particular gruesome tenet. But all three widely practiced monotheistic faiths stem from texts that are contradictory at best, hideous and barbaric at worst.

I also think the MSM gives a distorted view of religion. People discussing their religious views in a rational and calm manner just don't make as compelling viewing as extremists preaching hate. Viewers are more likely to remember scenes of screaming protesters throwing fake (if you're lucky) blood outside an abortion clinic than they are a conversation with a Catholic priest discussing the rationale for his beliefs.

Don't underestimate the number of fundamentalists in the world who take their scriptures literally and to the letter. They are not a "fringe" group in terms of their size.

Finally, religion (like nationalism and ideology) inspires people. That inspiration can be used for good or ill. If I wanted to start and perpetuate a war to preserve or expand my hold on power, I can use all three to motivate my supporters.

True enough. Go one level of abstraction back, and we'll see that the ultimate problem is dogma. Indeed, any ideology, identity or religion can become a pernicious dogma. However, by preaching the virtues of faith, religion readily embraces dogma, quicker and easier than than ideology or identity.

LOok lady that potted chicken leg's the devil so put it down!!!!!!!!

Also...

Harry Potter is gay
I also saw him at an anti-war rally
He still buys products from China and Darfur
He's pro-abortion
He votes Democratic in the general elections and Republican in the primaries

It's an odd world.

Its those HOBBITS you really got to keep an eye on.

[Peace]

Link to Bob Marley Exodus

Nothing on Bush & his Colonscopy, so I'll start it with the Harry POTTY thread...............DIE you MOTHERFUCKER and make it slow.

As a Christian, I find this lady to be intensely offensive.
She spews a lot of crap. Did she protest when God was portrayed as a golf sweater and glasses wearing, cigar smoking, dirty old man by George Burns?

Had I been there I would have loved to have mentioned the 7 deadly sins because 2 of them are sloth and gluttony and she looks like the only running she does is to the buffet table.

People like her make all of us Christians look bad.

One more thing, for the non-Christians out there...if you ever get in to it with a lady like this, just remember to say the following:

"I'm a gay warlock and Jesus loves me just as much as he loves you. He even died for my sins; the Bible tells me so" (make sure to sing the last part).

Then sit back and watch them bust out a Linda Blair.

Sorry for the rant but elitist Christians really piss me off.

Well, by admission, a lot of religious people say they are no good at understanding science or math, yet they claim to know the will of God, and I think God should be at least smart enough to know a bit of science. A paradox!

Harry Potter is a (fictional) wizard not a warlock.

What's her take on 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'The Wizard of Oz'?

It's people like her that give muggles a bad name.

Renee in Ohio @ 31:

I think some Gene Robinson makes a nice antidote for scary "Christianity"...

A little while ago, in the only time that the Archbishop of Canterbury ever deigned to see me, we were having a little "chat", and at one point in our conversation, he was explaining to me that, actually what the Episcopal church should have done prior to electing and consecrating me, was that we should have figured all this out theologically and intellectually... We should have come to a common mind, and then passed canons and and then done this thing. And I said to him with as much respect as I could, "Your Grace, it seems to me that all of the great steps that has taken, have been as a result of our doing the right thing, and only then, "thinking" our way to what we did. It's not the other way around. I mean, if we had waited for instance in this country for everyone to have been on the same page about civil rights, there would still be separate drinking fountains, wouldn't there? And if we had waited until women were valued as equal and full members of society and the human race for goodness sakes, all of that discrimination would still exist.

And, does anyone think that if those 11 women hadn't been "irregularly" ordained in Philadelphia, that we would be ordaining women yet? I'm not sure we would! And it seems that all the great steps forward we have made have been a result of our doing the right thing, and then thinking our way theologically to how that was the right thing.

That is an excellent way to get at the premise that people are born with or learn from their parents their personal moral compass, and only after they've made a decision do they actually evaluate it in the context of their religious code. Violently contradicting the notion that people can't figure out morality without the Bible at their elbow.

uncle joe mccarthy @ 2:

...the country cares more about a football player abusing dogs than it does a prez that sends thousands to their deaths and dismemberment in a worthless war...?

I think that the Michael Vick story was actually a worthy one, and deserved the attention it got, regardless of the other stories of the president. It brings to light a public figure who is (allegedly) involved in a disgusting crime, and will hopefully prompt stronger legislation to help combat the crime of dogfighting. So yes, I think that for a little while at least, the attention was properly off of the President and on to something that can produce some short term benefits for the country. Not all news sidelines from the war and the president are bad ones. At least this isn't some abducted white female alert that sidetracks the media uselessly.

Jeez,

The kids look like a bunch of puppies being yelled at for enjoying life :(

Baaad Crazy Lady, bad, BAD!!!

Ah yes, the wisdom of religious nutbars. Yep, Hairy Pothead is pure evil. Teletubbies were gay. Barney was a pedophile and scientists are all going to spend eternity in hell. Praise the Lord, and pass the ketchup!! The worst part of all, is that ALL religious leaders are the same. Preach intolerance to the masses, pass the collection plate, and my oh my yer son sure is cute, would he like to be an alter boy (or some variation)? Pure unadulterated fiction, mixed with partial truth.

CIU @ 105:

Jeez,

The kids look like a bunch of puppies being yelled at for enjoying life :(

Baaad Crazy Lady, bad, BAD!!!

[smells like the Christian TALIBAN]

Bush Sees The Light?

And the Daily Show used that clip Thursday night, Patriot. You might get accused of plagiarism, and a polite cease-and-desist letter.

Someone should tell her that in the Old Testament, eating a Big Mac was a stoning offense.

I saw this on another blog on a link to a story about Bush's colonoscopy: "Searching for a brain".

Expose, a PBS program, recently aired an episode on a defense contractor that has had little or no attention from the media. The episode focused on the work of two reporters for Vanity Fair who delved into the connection between public and military figures and the contracts awarded to this company.

Science Applications International Corporation is the 9th largest holder of U.S. defense contracts. Two names connected with SAIC are David Kay, the former weapons inspector who searched for WMD in Iraq, and retired General Wayne Downing.

In between Kay's stints as an Iraq weapons inspector in 1991 and during our current excursion there, he was a high-ranking official of SAIC. Prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Kay made frequent media appearances to beat the war drum. Downing, who served on the board of SAIC for years, also made media appearances to push for war. No surprise, Downing "amassed tens of thousands of shares" of SAIC stock while Kay also had "received shares in the company".

When no WMD were found by Kay the second time around, there was an "investigation" into what went wrong with the intelligence. SAIC was chosen to help with the investigation. Then SAIC was chosen for a bunch of other defense contracts.

Video:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/expose/episode204/watch.html

Vanity Fair article:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703

Batocchio @ 51:

Why would anyone want to belong to a chuch led by someone so stupid and hateful?

Because their paretns are just as stupid and hateful.

"Warlocks are the enemy of God?"

Balderdash.

It's my opinion that if Jesus came back right now he'd be rather peeved at the actions and words of many of his followers, such as the Jesus Camp Lady.

That said, I'm going back to my arcane sex rituals.

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2876372/show/20981

Anyone ever see these Lil Bush cartoons? PRICELESS!!

Warlocks are good, any enemy of god is a friend of reason, god is evil.

'And a little child shall lead them...to hell'.

Is it truly necessary to examine and defend 'both' sides of an issue, when one side is clearly demented? That's what got us into all this trouble with Bush and the neocon zionists, and created the Iraq war.

Of the five 'R's', only three should be taught; Readin', 'Riting, and 'Rithmetic. The other two; Religion and Republicanism, should be banned, not only from our schools, but from our discourse. Those two 'R' words should be buried, just like the 'N' word was.

Despite your personal attacks on me, I stand by my observation that this simple minded hateful vicious fundamentalist if born in any other culture would be just as dangerous but be committed to a different religion or cult.

You hurt my feelings, sniff, sniff. (tears)

Allison @ 100:

Harry Potter is a (fictional) wizard not a warlock.

What's her take on 'Alice in Wonderland' or 'The Wizard of Oz'?

Probably the same. Aside from Veggietales and old Davey and Goliath videos (that she would have had to find on that godless site, Youtube) there's probably not a lot of stuff this worthy would have in her house for children.

Harry Potter is evil! But ol' GWB is a-ok (LOL) You don't make heroes out of liars and criminals.

As for Michael Vick, his crime is a serious one. And I do care about animals. But it's kid stuff compared to what this Preznut has done to human beings and the environment.

Also, Michael calls dog fighting a "sport." He should have stuck to just football. It pays a hell out a lot more.

I'm having some trouble making out what the obese one is talking about:

Warlocks are enemies of God.

So:
God exists.
Warlocks exist.
Magic exists.

That might be the problem right there...

And I don’t care what kind of hero they are, [warlocks] are an enemy of God.

So good and evil can be independent of acts or intentions, and can be based on traits (the ability to perform magic).

And had it been in the Old Testament, Harry Potter would have been put to death! You don’t make heroes out of warlocks!

Why is she telling this to kids? Accepting the faulty premises for a moment, what is her point? "Don't aspire to practice 'the dark arts'"? I suppose that if you think that magic is real, it is a reasonable warning to pass along to your young Christians.

A fairly standard plot line in science fiction has someone from the Middle Ages being transported through time to the modern day--how would they cope? Granted, the protagonist is usually a clever and worldly type, not some fat hausfrau, but it looks like that great experiment that is America has provided the answer: your barely-literate peasant looks around, ignores everything found to be incomprehensible, grabs a mic, and continues to live in a demon-haunted world.

Video: Bush Threats and Actions Risk Accidental War with Iran "They're certainly issuing threats very publicly and openly. Not only the words but even the actions. So, for example, the last couple of years, the United States has provided to Israel over a hundred advanced jet bombers openly advertised as capable of bombing Iran and returning. I don't think a word about that has been published in the United States but it's public information. You can read it in the Israeli press, you can read it in military journals. Certainly Iranian intelligence knows it. ..." see more

Question... Did they give bush a colonoscopy to see if he has a Brain Tumor to explain why he hears voices, supposedly from god telling him he did the right thing in going to Iraq?
I'm just askin'

tyree @ 6:

religion sucks the brains out of humans

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Actually its the fundamentalist faiths that suck the brains out of humans. Most mainstream believers are quite fine, thank you. It's the fringes that are the "misunderstood". Think of Jehovah's Witnesses, those who use snakes as a profession of faith and think of those faiths which put the leader at the centre rather than the redeemer. Most Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopals and Lutherans are very fine, thank you. Notice too the omissions.

While we're at it, notice how much air time of 700 Club is devoted to money not ministry. The same could be said for most other televangelists; money before ministry. Sounds like a case of reversed values and priorities.

My daughter, who's 12 and reads at the college level, straight-A student, a veritable goddess-in-the making who loves animals and fantasy stories (as well as classics) was at a Harry Potter party last night with her aunt. I am thankful for her interest in reading, as it can offer precious minutes of relief from the grinding reality of WAR, ENdLESS WAR, that she has witnessed all her life, thanks to our bloodthirsty foreign policy.

Even though she is a child, her high I.Q. and level of compassion mean that she is painfully aware of the evil wrought in the name of American foreign policy. She knows that this illegal war is wrong.

This fat, ugly, hyper-religious beyotch pimping Jesus Camp is an enemy of children!

Surprised to see a banner for CNN up top and advertising for CNN on the right. Same surprise as I would feel if I saw banners and adds for FOX. There's no qualitative difference between the two. What gives?

One has to wonder at the intelligence of these so-called Christians who consider the Left Behind series an extension of the Bible and characters in the Harry Potter series as real. I'm sorry, but I've about had my fill of these people. On second thought, no, I'm not sorry. I've run into born-again Christians who not only did not know that the Old Testament was also the Jewish Bible but adamantly refused to believe it, even when a Christian minister was standing right there saying that yes, that was true. They were further infuriated when the non-believer (me) knew more from their sacred text than they, who said they read the Bible daily. I've often wondered what book they were reading. These are indeed some sad folks, their personalities constructed of fantasy fueled by hate for those who do not view the world through their whatever coloured lenses. One thing they have in common, though. They all love the colour of money.

Jesus Camp Freak--

This book is fiction just like the psychotic form of "religion" you supposedly promote. Go take your meds and settle down.

its easy to lead most christians by their noses by the repigs,thats why the politicians profess to be religious, their pastors stand in front of them on sundays waveing their hands in the air shouting vote for the republicans they are against abortion, and the fools fall in line and believe that shit everytime, they arent against abortions its their bread and butter its what keeps the fools voteing for them, if the repigs ever got abortion banned they wouldny have anything left to suck these poor suckers in with, the old carrot dangeling infront of them , and that carrots never going to be eaten, how long can they fool these brain dead tools , looks like forever!

Apparently the church of england is actually using HP to teach their religion. Which is equally as bizarre as this crazy woman's reaction in my book, but slightly less obnoxious than the xtian "god doesn't want you to think without permission" bunch.

Personally I think religion is as ridiculous as believing in fairies and goblins. The 'believers' are some of the funniest clowns I've ever witnessed. At least when they're not trying to burn or kill you for not mindlessly obeying their invisible magic asshole in the sky.

I think Religion is a form of mental illness and I look forward to the day a cure is achieved.

Wizards aren't Warlocks
There is good and evil in all communities
Vitter uses religion as it use him, believes all he has to do is to ask his God for forgiveness
but forgets that his God was so replused by his ilk, that he made it rain for forty days and forty nights to purge the Earth of the likes of him.

Alley @ 128:

Wizards aren't Warlocks
There is good and evil in all communities
Vitter uses religion as it use him, believes all he has to do is to ask his God for forgiveness
but forgets that his God was so replused by his ilk, that he made it rain for forty days and forty nights to purge the Earth of the likes of him.

Yeah. That's what happened.

And the Fat Lady sings, hatred and intolerance to children and adult nutcases, when she should be teaching how to eat healthy, take care of your body and how to not turn into a huge Lard-Ass like her.

I saw this movie, very well done. I love the part where the woman talks about fasting. Like the nasty bigoted pig has ever fasted in her life!

Harry Potter is more a threat to the Christian right not because he practices witchcraft, but because he's encouraging children to read, therefore to become literate, therefore to develop a sense of critical thinking. That's not healthy to their power structure.

17 Salmineo Says: This is stupid.

However all religions have their stupid, even bigoted incantations. Like a woman can’t touch a male Jew when he has a block of wood on his forehead. Muslims, (and others) cutting off a young girl’s clitoris supposedly to keep her from turning into a sex wanton whore. Not eating pork and all this food taboo bullshit….ect…ect…

Its not just Christians.

Yeah, all religions have their ideosyncracies. But most of them aren't calling for the death of a fictional boy-wizard.

I don't think this is about "christianity" - I think this woman is just whacked.

Yep, Harry would have been stoned in Old Testament times along with adulteresses, delinquent children, homosexuals, sabbath breakers, blasphemers, false prophets, perjurers, women discovered not to have been virgins prior to marriage and even a few people who actually deserved it.

Nice quote #134! I actually went to a camp like that. It wasn't as extreme but my mother went through a born again Christian Phase and well we ended up in a born again Christian day camp. Everyone was talking about how they couldn't wait to die, and that God was going to bring them home any second now. Insanely morbid. Luckily it didn't last long but I will never forget it. It was one of many experiences that turned me into an agnostic.

thank yah jesusthe bibles now on dvd! does it get any better then this?

ummmm.......... I don't buy into that bullllllshit. religion is an alternative to real time. These books were translated buy dozens of people taken from stories that are just peices that will be re written thousands of years from now. it's only refreshed by new names and ideas. We are living in real time PEOPLE!!! I don't buy into all the BULLLLLLSHIT.... Poor Kids have to listen to a woman holding a microphone with a very very narrow mind.

re: Jesus Camp:

that's the primary reason this country is screwed up....
So many repressed and psychologically damaged
'believers' running around ruining generations of kids.

If there was a hell ala Dante's inferno, there would be a special ring
reserved for these frauds.

It never ceases to amaze me how these religious nut cases confuse the "old testament" with the "new testament". Who is the so called "lord" that she is referring to? Is it Jehovah or Jesus? And why would anyone want to participate in a religion built upon fear and death? I like the Gnostic way of thinking. It's positive and it's about the here and now. We cannot undo the past, we can only be here now and work to make a better tomorrow.

if this deranged fat bitch wanted to serve god the blubber assed pig would get het gut stappled and her mouth wired shut , praise de lawd!

keep the change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuzIgUj6_w

You're gonna serve the Lord all the days of your life?

Apparently you're going to be very fat too. Crazy psycho heifer. Religion is a crock. As is the Bible. Religion is man made nonsense for weak minded people.

The sooner these Jesus freaks go away the better off America will be. Morons.

holy cow! (sorry...couldn't resist)

OK first of all, Harry Potter is a (fictional) wizard, not a "warlock" and to the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the new testament about warlocks. Also, if that huge frightening beastly hag actually knew anything about Jesus, she would know that Jesus was a magician. She obviously has no business being anywhere near children. I will have nightmares about that clip forever.

Good job Karen.
I posed some questions and you filled in all of the blanks.

135
jjeske: you, and other agnostic/atheists, may enjoy this and/or find it useful: http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/stages.html

it's a summary of the stages of spiritual growth. The host site is pretty funny..an ex johavah's witness who's a bit pissed off....but the link info is very good..

The lady in the clip is pure Stage I.

kiva

Jesus is not only turning in his grave, he's digging himself out just so he can jump off the nearest cliff!

Karen @ 91:

I respectfully disagree. I think there is something inherently more divisive about religion than about other ideologies or identities. Namely, by teaching that faith -- belief without or contrary to evidence -- is a virtue, religion has a unique manner of stopping all potential conversation. Whenever people have disagreements, for all intents and purposes, there are two ways of settling the disagreement: discussion and violence. The main difference between people who disagree politically and people who disagree about matters of faith is that the former can more easily engage in normative discourse to persuade one another to their viewpoint. Likewise, scientists who disagree about an empirical matter are more prone to discussion, each willing (in principle) to be proven wrong. Faith, on the other hand is, in principle, unwaivering.

Faith is not restricted to religion. In fact, most faith is entirely unconnected with organized religion or even with informal belief and spirituality. Faith is a belief in something which is either untestable or which the person with faith haa simply not tested empirically. Numerous scientific theories are untestable - the "big bang", the origins of homo sapiens, etc and require faith that the theory is correct. Additionally, since no one has time to test every assumption that they make, people constantly operate by taking their beliefs (religious, political, spiritual, cultural, social, etc.) on faith, rather than seeking evidence.

Additionally, most social or political positions are based (at some level) upon individual morality and/or group ethics. Moral and ethical positions are typically based on faith, not reason. Take property rights, for example, I happen to believe that any individual only has property rights to the extent that these rights are recognized by the legal system. Change the system and you change the rights. Same with the right to life. Others believe that these rights are somehow "fundamental". Neither of us will likely be able to change the others moral view through reasoned discussion and neither of these positions requires religious belief.

Go one level of abstraction back, and we'll see that the ultimate problem is dogma. Indeed, any ideology, identity or religion can become a pernicious dogma. However, by preaching the virtues of faith, religion readily embraces dogma, quicker and easier than than ideology or identity.

I'm far from certain that religion embraces dogma any more readily than ideology or other identity. Ideologies and nationalisms (and cultures and organizations) can be just as intolerant of dissent as religions.

BTW, all fundamentalist Christians do not act in concert nor believe the same things. I know several devout Christians who support the Democrats because they believe the Democratic platform is more Christian than the GOP's.

Sinto @ 142:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGuzIgUj6_w

You're gonna serve the Lord all the days of your life?

Apparently you're going to be very fat too. Crazy psycho heifer. Religion is a crock. As is the Bible. Religion is man made nonsense for weak minded people.

The sooner these Jesus freaks go away the better off America will be. Morons.

Ain't THAT the damn truth.

What a fucking pig......

Great, shall I carry a copy of the Harry Potter book to ward of those fundies? As well as garlic to ward of vampires.

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