"We listen to the generals on the ground, BUT...."
That pesky liberally-biased truth keeps rearing its ugly head on the White House's attempts to scare you about the looming threat of al Qaeda in Iraq.
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Fran Townsend made quick work of dismissing the words of Gen. Ray Odierno, Commanding Gen. of Multinational Troops in Iraq, who said (and is backed up by the latest NIE report) that al Qaeda in Iraq does not have the institutional capability to export violence outside of Iraq.
TOWNSEND: ...General Odierno's remarks suggest that they don't have the capability. I respect that-he's on the ground, he's in the best position to make that judgment, but we've seen al Qaeda in Iraq export violence before, like the wedding reception in Amman, Jordan. So we've got to presume they've got the capability and the potential to act on it. Al Qaeda in Iraq in Iraq is not a distraction. We've heard from bin Laden's own words that he views it as World War III, a war of destiny for al Qaeda that they must win. So it is in no way a distraction, it's actually a critical enabler and capability for al Qaeda Central. And we see them extending their influence, not only in Iraq, but in North Africa, for example, where they now have al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb. This is part of bin Laden's plan, trying to extend the influence of al Qaeda.
So they listen to the generals on the ground unless they contradict their pre-conceived fear mongering? Note how Townsend conflates al Qaeda in Iraq with al Qaeda Central, who is actually in North Africa. And the World War III quote attributed to bin Laden? Guess who did the attributing?
There you have it...the 'terrist' win.
How does she know so much about Osama's plans -- is she one of his wives (maybe he's got a thing for Kathie Lee Gifford-types.)
Bush says we have to fight al Queda in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here.
Bin Laden says he has to fight us in Iraq so he doesn't have to fight us in his hidey hole in Pakistan.
I have an idea.
Why don't we fight Bin Laden where he is hiding and get this stupid f'n war over with, instead of fighting an endless, pointless war in Iraq?
So explain how providing bin Laden with his fantastical "war of destiny" serves U.S. interests. Wait, don't bother...
Al Quaeda, al Quaeda in Iraq, al Quaeda Central, al Quaeda fer Growth, al Quaeda Hairclub fer Men, Log Cabin al Quaeda, al Quaeda at Pine Crossings, al Quaeda du Soleil, the National al Quaeda Indoor Football League, al Quaeda Anonymous, al Quaeda XXX, The National Endowment fer al Quaeda, New Summer's al Quaeda, el Quaeda del Norte.....
Thank God we have an Honest General. I've been getting worried about the military's ability to be objective non-partisan.
But really now, Fox News? Rupurt Murdoch's personal opinion media?
You'd have to an idiot to believe that channel.
"...We’ve heard from bin Laden’s own words that he views it as World War III..."
I believe the alleged Nine Eleven Conspirator Osama Bin Laden died in December 2001 of Kidney Failure...
I look forward to the day when the Tyrant George WMD Bush is brought to justice for the 3rd World War.
Dubya Dubya Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4JvPesiGqY
Well there it is. . . . . . .
"they are AFRAID to debate me on the ISSUES i am raising." Michael Moore.
So, keep raising the issues they want to avoid. And remember they are going to try to talk over you or wiggle out of it and change the subject. And if that fails try to start a finger pointing and yelling match.
Anything to not appear "weak or wrong". The "Way of The Right Wing"
Andy K @ 5:
ROTFLMFAO------>infinity!
Shit Fumes on the Fox Nothing Channel said that now we are starting to win in Iraq, if you don't watch news?
Is it just me, or are all these Bush/Fox women just Fawn Hall wannnabes from the Iran-Contra scandal? You know, long blond hair on the shoulders and an "above the law" attitude?
Why does a rich achomplished business man like Rupurt Murdoch support an goofy failed business man like George W.Bush?
What kind of "buisness ethic" is this?
Here is a July 13th presentation of Nafeez Ahmed of Cambridge University going over the history of terrorism and the origins of "The Database" IE Al Qaeda. I suggest you get informed.
http://media.putfile.com/Nafeez-Ahmed---Creating-Terror---7-13-2007
The only thing I can think is they want to hype this so if there is no attack between now and the next Election it will be to the credit of the Great George W. Bush and the Republicans.
Al Quaeda's in the air
Eveywhere I look around
Al Quaeda's in the air
Every sight and every sound
And I don't know if there bein' foolish
And I don't know if they're tellin' lies
But it's somethin' that I must believe in
When it's rainin' down fire from the skies
Set, of course, to this tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo
How do you plug in a Kidney Dialysis machine in a cave? Bin Laden is in a Hospital some where or he’s six feet under.
Heck-of-a-job Rummy, Gates, Pace, Rupurt Murdoch
I agree. AQ is going to try to hit us again. But Bushco, if they hear about it, will do nothing to stop it.
Salmineo @ 16:
Saudi Arabia or Pakistan is my guess. If he's still alive.
miss_kitty @ 18:
Or....God Forbid.....China. (oh the pain)
Odierno's getting smacked down for asking for "until November" to report on benchmarks at the big video-conference with the Senate Armed Services Committee. Even Mitch McConnell wouldn't stand for that. Odierno might be the scapegoat the Bushies need, instead of the puffed-up Petraeus.
Again, it makes no sense: The right says we are in Iraq because if we leave, Al Qaeda follows us home. Thus, we are staying in Iraq. However, the right ALSO says we are presently in danger of being attacked by Al Qaeda at home. So if we leave Iraq- we can expect attacks at home; if we stay in Iraq, we can also expect attacks at home.
Thus, why stay in Iraq if we are to expect attacks at home in either situation? Best have troops at home given that reality.
miss_kitty @ 18:
Even money says it's Pakistan. The suckers' bet is Iraq.
Meet the 28%: suckers!
Steve @ 21:
I think you have a point. Well, we have no other choice but to blow up the earth. let me get missile command on the phone. It's time for Armagedon and the Rapture!
And whats Bush doing putting someone like this chick into this position and not someone like a Wes Clarke or someone with extensive combat and military experience.
Ludicrous.
L.A. Confidential @ 24:
Yeah but, just look how big her hair is!
Thats got to mean something.
WOW, not only does Air-Head Townsend speak for The Dummy, and Chertoff, but also for The Generals.
What's with these folks, Snow, Perino, now Townsend, it's obviously time for her colonoscopy, not that there's anything wrong with this asshole, but just to relieve her of the load she's carrying.
This is part of bin Laden’s plan, trying to extend the influence of al Qaeda.
and he could not have done it without the aid and assistance of mr. bush and company...
It was nice of Bush to give nuclear secrets to Pakistan for mangoes. You would think that Bush is giving Obama a head start to cause trouble.
These people who are still defending Bush cannot be changed. They will never understand. They are either making money off of the war and administration or are to stupid to get it. Look what I found on another site. The subject was Kurt Vonnegut dying and it got hijacked by this Freeper guy. That is not unusual but his remarks about Vonnegut and the neocons will make your head spin. Read thru it and watch how it deteriorates. It is a classic example of how these wingnuts think.
Check it out here.
Did anyone else notice that Odierno coughed right after 'November', so '2008' was muffled?
Translation;
We're listening to the generals on the ground except when we cover our ears and repeatedly yell" La la la la la lal la la , I can't hear you!"
These people who are still defending Bush cannot be changed. They will never understand. They are either making money off of the war and administration or are to stupid to get it. Look what I found on another site. The subject was Kurt Vonnegut dying and it got hijacked by this Freeper guy. That is not unusual but his remarks about Vonnegut and the neocons will make your head spin. Read thru it and watch how it deteriorates. It is a classic example of how these wingnuts think.
Check it out.
paranoia @ 28:
Uh...small correction....that was India.
I still haven't got my Indian mango yet.
18 minutes ago
ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey's Islamic-rooted ruling party won parliamentary elections by a wide margin Sunday, and the prime minister pledged to safeguard the country's secular traditions and do whatever the government deems necessary to fight separatist Kurdish rebels.
Yep, the great stratergy from Bushco produces another "victory" in the war against terra and radical fundamentalism.
If you are a 28%er at this point you are the living proof of the improvements needed in cognitive development in our schools.
How bout gittin' the hell out of there an coming home and working on fixing our own country for the first time in 6 and and years?
"...I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of getting the hell out of the middle east, and leading the world out of oil dependency."
Hows that for a goal.
Cause clearly this woman looks like the expert on such matters.
War with Turkey, Iran, Syria, North Korea, China...?
Decisions Decisions
Not that I give much credence to anyone from the Cato Institute, but this guy has it just about right:
Expert: Al-Qaida can't conquer Iraq
http://www.upi.com/Security_Terrorism/Briefing/2007/07/20/expert_alqaida...
I wish I could say that nobody is buying this crap anymore but just enough people are to keep them viable and active. I wish that they were so marginalized that this interview would be in a humor show and not part of a profit making news program.
L.A. Confidential @ 35:
Check!
Rodger That.
THE Decider @ 37:
Don't forget Russia
Odierno is such a stupid shill for the neocons, I mean look how blatantly obvious... The man stutters nervously and touches his nose before telling us we have nothing to worry in regards to AlQaeda because, presumbably, they're tied down in Dubya's Iraq disaster. Yeah, uhuh. Right.
Salmineo @ 40:
Imagine what upside and growth boom that would create.
Townsend is only in her position because she can spin lies upside-down and backwards and any journalist who asks her tough questions will look bad.
L.A. Confidential @ 43:
Yeah. Hopefully taxes for Healthcare and Education that is not based on financial discrimination.
Do the letters F.O.S. mean anything to these people? It does to me, and I can smell them from over a mile away.
Snowball @ 44:
Plus she's a woman. If someone gets hard on such a soft and delicate looking woman the cons would be yelling and screaming "how dare they talk to and treat a helpless woman like that!"
Don't you just know it.
All men are created equal and endowed with inalienable rights and among these rights are Life, Liberty, and, the pursuit of happiness. (see conditions)
(of course we mean if, and only if, you have the money to buy these rights. Otherwise check your government for rebate coupons)...
So what is anyone going to do about it. Until the spineless, incompetent and impotent congress decides to do their duty and impeach this administration, then what does it matter. Let them spout anything they want. Who will stand up to them????? Russ Feingold and his brilliant idea to "censure" the president???? I don't think so.
Russ Feingold said that he believes that this administration has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but that the congress can't take the time out of their busy schedule to impeach the criminals. If he believes, as he says he does that this administration has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, then it is the DUTY of congress to IMPEACH!!!! NOT THEIR CHOICE!!!!
Just as it would be criminal for a prosecutor to decide not to prosecute a murderer because he has other important things to do, it is criminal for the congress to decide not to IMPEACH because they have other important things to do. They are capable of doing several things at once and that is about the most lame excuse I have heard for not doing their DUTY.
Mr. Feingold is WRONG. This administration MUST be IMPEACHED, REMOVED, INDICTED AND IMPRISONED.
The congressmen took the same oath as the president to uphold the constitution and protect America from it's enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC!!!!
DO YOUR DUTY, CONGRESS!!!!
GOOD GRIEF...all that hair!
Look at the Head on that!
Darn....the things you see when you don't have a shotgun.
She's a real idiot, isn't she?
Must admit, I hadn't seen her much before.
I assume she's another Cheney mole or Bush dolt.
And, Frannie Baby, as long as you're enumerating all the places Al Qaeda has begun operating, you might as well come out and admit that Al Qaeda has extended its worldwide operations immeasurably under Bush's watch.
That is what you're saying, after all.
Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies, Lies,
Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin, Spin,
Welp, there you go again.
These people make it so easy to hate us by other countries.
Bush Bites @ 51:
Her husband is a partner in the Washington law firm of Hughes Hubbard & Reed. He received undergraduate and law degrees from Yale University. Doesn't even mention her in his Rap Sheet.
http://www.hugheshubbard.com/attorney/bio.asp?AttorneyID=56
Andy K @ 5:
LMFAO
Andy K @ 5:
National Organization of al Quaeda Women, Public Broadcasting al Quaeda, Internal al Quaeda System, The John T. and Harriet P. al Quaeda Foundation, The al Quaeda Institute...
and now the fucking shit-for-brains pres and vp are waging a new world war.
it's time they went to the front lines in iraq and fulfilled their missed(dogged) military service. these two bastards are totally insensitive to those who have to suffer from their delusional asperations(crimes) against humanity. fuck them both.
Fran Townsend is a C-onstantly U-nintelligent N-eoncon T-urd for cheney.
Don't forget the AQLU.
Boy, they are relentlessly sociopathic with their bullshit. On the applications there must be a question as to whether you can lie with a straight face, and believe it.
We've seen you lie before so we have to assume you are lying as usual.
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The whole point was for someone from homely security to come on fox and say al-qaeda and iraq in the same f*cking sentence. The facts and truth doesn't matter. What matters is that some foxnews watching monkey will see it and it will reinforce this little idea their little pea brain.
"...but we’ve seen al Quaeda in Iraq export violence before, like the wedding reception in Amman, Jordan..."
Which was attacked DESPITE a preexisting and well-established military presence in Iraq... -but, I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you! Your point was..?
flawless botoxed reasoning!
She has GOT to be one the 5 stupidiest people in the WORLD! If they really want to to keep spouting this crap let them talk to themselves!
Hitler and his political appointees ignored their military commanders as well.
i ment "..facts and truth don't matter.."
grammar is hard.
Oh, fer crapsakes, it's part of * and Fudd's plan. Bin Laden is DEAD.
If the cheney/bush administration hits Iran, this bitch deserves to be on the list of War Criminals in the administration, and therefore deserves to taste justice at the end of a rope - after the trial and conviction of course.
These Conservatards never let facts get in the way of their lies.
The General was just voicing the obvious, that the insurgents in Iraq (supposedly now all Al Queada, the Sunnis and Shittes and Kurds have disapeared I guess) lack any of the military or economic means to hit us in the United States.
Setting off a roadside bomb in a Baghdad slum is a little easier than travelling 5,000 miles to plant said bomb in L.A.! Duh!
The US is supporting terrorist groups inside Iran. Recently, there was an attack from Baluchi based, Pakistani based terrorists, other groups are being supported. You know, all that is very provocative. That's all over and above the overt threat. The overt threats to Iran are a crime. They're a major violation of the United Nations Charter which outlaws the threat or use of force in international affairs. Threat of force is a violation of the Charter, it's a violation of law. In outlaw states, like the United States and Britain where law doesn't matter much, there's very little comment on that. But definitely the threats are there and all of this could lead to just an accidental war.
So we have to stay to keep Al Qaeda out of Iraq? Isn't Al Qaeda already there in droves? How exactly are we stopping them from doing anything?
Someday we will leave Iraq, and since we are making zero progress towards a safe and stable Iraq, Al Qaeda has already won. They just have to wait until later for their victory celebration.
Bulletin from the rayovac:
Public record.
It was Townsend who, on 9-11, telephoned the head of counterterrorism of the United States, John P O'Niell and told him to go back in the Twin Towers building after the attack. He was never seen again. O'Neill had been on the trail of Bin Laden in Yemen, but had been neutralized by Bush appointee Barabara Bodine. His mission had been very active during the Clinton admin. But he was then transferred to the New York, Twin Towers under Bush. I became aware of O'Niell previous to 9-11 when, while he was in Florida, his briefcase full of counterterrorism info was stolen from him.
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99 @ 69:
And Ms. Townsend KNOWS bin Laden is dead. She refuses to publicly discuss even that possibility, even though it is more than plausible, since bin Laden has been very ill with kidney troubles for years.
Observe:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-7.html
Read the end of the official White House transcript when she abruptly ends the press briefing.
The fact that cigarette lighters are still allowed on planes while breastmilk was at one time banned should tell you everything you need to know about who is pulling the strings for homeland security.
I don't think Ms. Fran "the Tool" Townsend is a very good liar. She stutters too much and she's too eager to mouth the talking points almost liks she's memorized - kind of like having the lead role in a high school play. Also, you can tell she's all wired up - trembling with the fear of actually being challenged on something.
People on the ground, actually doing things, are too close to the action to see the big picture. That's why we have people who make a handsome living spinning lies to reassure us about matters they know nothing about.
Punchy @ 36:
Fran Townsend, along with many members of the Bushco like Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rove, even including pundits like Kristol, Broder and Kagan, are secret Delta Force operatives, expert in all things military. They have a group kind of like the A-Team with Cheney as Colonel Smith with the cigar hanging out the mouth. They even go on covert expeditions to Al Qaeda locations in Iraq and Africa...
...or at least they have role-playing video game sessions where they convince themselves they are. But that should be enough to over-rule a mere general. After all, they are making their own reality and all.
Townsend doesnt consider herself a failure.........
She's a success that's.........
Yet to happen.
Fran Townsend is so full of shit, she should be Dick Cheney's press secratary!
"we don't make mistakes, we make happy little accidents"-Fran doing former PBS painter Bob Ross' shtick
apparently it takes some rude pseudo-sexist gangster hip hop lovin left winger type with big pants and a crooked hat to say this. because... apparently no other demograph has the cajones to say this.
since when does a hairsprayed havin cleavage with a cross showin sellout pseudo soccer mom's opinions on war... carry *ANY* kind of relevance and/or weight... over a military general's opinions? SERIOUSLY! Coulter, Malkin, this girl... since *when* were these retired cheerleaders, these Heathers Club rejects, allowed to carry some sort of political weight when they expressed their opinions? especially toe to toe with a *GENERAL*?? come on... this crap needs to stop. chickenhawks was one thing, chickens is another...
The general may be right about the actual umbrella groups in Iraq exporting teams but the pool now exists for a more connected foreign group to tap into the iraqi al-qaeda and send them abroad.
I mean this report seems to be made to order for any number of agendas. You could say the general is issuing a right-wing defense against left-wing charges that weve created more al-qaeda. The general responds by saying that iraqi al-qaeda cant organize enough to get abroad and thus creating them isnt much of a threat to us. The right-wing bimbo then takes this as an attack on the, "ahhh, here they come" meme and attacks the general. Its just a mess of a talking point all around.
The Bush administration not listening to the military generals is one of the main reasons things continue to get worse day by day. I never agreed with going into Iraq; however, I would have been inclined to listen to the military experts on the numbers that were needed to not only topple Saddam Hussein but to also keep order. Bush and Cheney chose to ignore this. Besides invading Iraq in the first place, De-Baathification was perhaps one of the absolute worst mistakes made in all of this. People like to blame Rumsfeld for this, but all the credit for this decision came directly from Bush. Paul Bremer was Bush's man and answered to nobody else but him. What debaathification did was effectively disbanded the entire Iraqi military and permanently banned all the officers from holding any government positions. This also included the local police forces as well. (Bring on the looting and chaos!) Essentially this forced all the high level people underground and ultimately to side with a militia to secure their families protection against the chaos soon to erupt. Any hope of securing a new government in Iraq and avoiding a civil war between political factions was lost. Everything else has been downhill from there.
The recent Reid/Levin Amendment calling for withdrawal also stated for the strategic military decisions to be made by the "generals on the ground". Olympia Snowe was very effective in her speech on explaining this the night before the cloture vote. Instead the Republicans in the Senate chose to filibuster the amendment denying the the amendment from being voted on.
This Bitch is scary.
Such a pretty face on terrorism and terrorists.
Every time she says "Al Qaida" I get goosebumbs. How can she spread the fear factor of Al Qaida and terror for the Bush administration when she smiles so much when trying to spin fear?
Rapid blinking when hearing the general's assertion indicates she's hearing something she doesn't want to hear; she's marshalling her defenses to shore up the wall the stands between her and information she does not want to let past her defenses. She argues more to convince herself of her own arguments, to justify her own suppositions which have not yet been consolidated into belief or certainty.
The general is arguing practical realites based upon assessed and demonstrated capabilities. He is distinguishing between the talk and the ability to walk the talk. He is also aware that he is walking on a tight-rope by discussing things realistically and honestly. She is trying to conflate the talk as being the walk. Not too far below the surface, she knows she is being intellectually dishonest. She seems to be desparate to convince herself of the position she is defending, as if persuading the listener will validate her own worth. She is seeking self-justification as if it were exhoneration.
I cannot trust her, because she is a person who would compound error upon error rather than admit to mistake, and would sacrifice limitless numbers of others upon an alter of self-infallibility in preferrence to going through a process of self-examination. It is a dangerous brand of intellectual dishonesty.
Al Qaeda in Iraq exported terror to, gasp!, Amman, Jordan!
Has this FUCKING RETARD looked on a map to see where Amman Jordan is? IT PRACTICALLY IS IRAQ!!!
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DEAR FRAN
Al Qaeda is dangerous . We know that.
But the CIA , Pentagon Bush/Cheney the Neocons have not a clue how to handle the problem which they created.
Also . Please look at a map to verify where Jordan is located. Maybe that is the real problem . The Bush/Cheny, etc . crowd have never looked at a map of the Middle east nor have they read any history of the area.
The Middle East is not Texas , Kansas,Colorado, Wyoming or Oklahoma,
It seems likely that as long as we ban Jordanian weddings on US soil we'll be safe.
Townsend is the uber "spokesbabe."
When bad guys want to get their spin out, they'll use an attractive (?), impeccably coiffed (?), "girly" young woman to go on camera.
She could just as easily be standing in front of a chemical plant explaining how a carload of poison spilled into your drinking water is "nothing to worry about," or that a lockout is all the fault of the workers.
The Rethugs. can't handle the truth, so they change the facts around to make them feel and warm and fuzzy.
Yeah the Truth...
Like we created and funded Al-Cia-Duh..
Like most of the Bin Laden tapes are blatant forgeries...and or so old that they can in no way reference anything happening over the last 6 years or longer...
Just the mere fact that they try to continue to label this on Bin Ladens master plan... should be enough to imprision them for treason... However, a question remains glaringly obvious...
If Bin Laden is orchestrating this entire shit sandwich... How is it that we can't intercept his communications? --- Are they by Donkey gram?... or is he using pigeons?
How is he getting the renal Dialysis materials he needs to survive in the bum of the earth where he is supposed to be hiding?
I will stop now before I breech to many standing orders for C&L comments.
Better to listen to generals on the ground than the common soldiery buried underground.
First let's assume that we lived in a country that uses 200,000,000 barrels of crude oil a day, and that not one person in the entire country wanted to sacrifice any convenience in any way. Next assume there was this place with billions upon billions of barrels of crude oil just sitting in the ground, waiting for someone to come along and tap into it. Since the rest of the countries in the world would be tremendously pissed at us if our country just up and announced that we were going to lay hands on the oil and the rest of you are on your own, we would need an excuse for being where the oil is, would we not? Then suppose that our country's leader really wasn't the sort of person that thought ahead past the next meal. That would mean that the story our country tells the rest of the world would have to change many times. And there it is. Look for these sorts of media "interviews" up to the end of the current administration and well into the next. When oil is irrelevant, the wars will end.
who is she?? make her go away,, Ive had enough of her already. she is a vacant twit.
Is that Fran's power suit? Or is that her only suit? Or does she sleep in it? Man, she needs to get a new set of duds. (Heh, pun not intentially intended.)
Check out the background of the American University where this woman studied. Military central, complete with ground contamination that hasn't been cleaned up yet (that could explain a lot), a series of shady guys in high places who have been charged with everything from making obscene phone calls to day cares to misappropriating funds.
Amazing how people like her can lie and lie and not be bothered about it.
OxyCon @ 3:
I thought I was going to have an original idea, but I found my exact idea 3 comments into this thread. Thanks for some refreshing common sense, Oxycon.
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