Tell Congress to Begin Impeachment Proceedings NOW
By Nicole Belle Sunday Jul 22, 2007 1:00pmOkay, it's time to take democracy in our hands...
Bree Walker told me, on the air, that Conyers said that all he needs is three more Congress Members backing impeachment, and he'll move on it, even without Pelosi. I asked whether that meant specifically moving from 14 cosponsors of H Res 333 to 17, or adding 3 to the larger number of Congress Members who have spoken favorably of impeachment but not all signed onto bills. Bree said she didn't know and that Conyers had declined to take any questions.
Either way, this target of three more members seems perfectly doable. It's safe to assume, I think, that we're talking about impeaching Cheney first. But, even if Conyers is talking about Bush, the target is perfectly achievable.
Democrats.com is pushing for you to get your representatives working for you...from their email:
We've reached the impeachment moment for Vice President Dick Cheney. We've pushed the cosponsor list for H. Res. 333 up to 14. Chairman John Conyers says that if we get 3 more he'll begin the impeachment proceedings.
And many Congress Members must be recognizing that there is no other path available. Cheney and Bush have repeatedly refused to comply with subpoenas, ordered former staffers not to comply, and announced that the Justice Department will not enforce contempt citations from Congress. When a special prosecutor attempted to hold this administration accountable, Cheney's chief of staff obstructed justice, and Cheney persuaded Bush to commute his sentence. There is no course left for Congress but Impeachment.
[..] (T)ake two minutes on Monday and do two things: phone Chairman Conyers at 202-225-5126 and ask him to start the impeachment of Dick Cheney; and phone your own Congress Member at 202-224-3121 and ask them to immediately call Conyers' office to express their support for impeachment. Your Congress Member might be one of the three needed, not just to keep impeachment activists out of jail but to keep this nation from devolving into dictatorship.
Also email your Representatives and demand that they get on board. Make the roar from the voters deafening.
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I've been doing this so much I sound like a broken record...
Starting to look like a member of the blue man group...sheesh...Not that any of them are listening....JD
That's right!!! Impeach now!!! We'll think of a crime later......
Why isn't Conyers' name on the list of co-sponsors?
Given the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, The Downing Street Memo's, and the Niger Uranium Forgeries, Bush lied to start a war of conquest & lost!
There were no WMDS! There was no alliance with "Al Qaeda" Nudge Nudge Wink Wink! Bush/Cheney ought to be 'brought to justice'! I'm mad as hell!
Presidential Letter
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
And criminal charges would be nice too. BTW, I support the death penalty!
Ever get the feeling we're standing on the deck of a sinking ship?
My stupid rep is a Bush-licking Republican.
You can't impeach Cheney first. He has no constitutional powers and hence no case can be legally built against him. Despite the massive distaste for Cheney, the impeachment process goes to the top. Cut off the head of the dragon and the animal will be severely wounded and die. Plus, it it the legally correct thing to do. It must be Bush. It must be now. It must be done. Nothing personal. It's just business. The business of democracy.
Sorry, guys - Impeachment now would empower the Right again and tie us up for months.
We're getting momentum to defeat them completely in 2008, and have the presidency, both
houses of Congress, and the ability to appoint some new members of the Supreme Court.
Please don't empower them now. This will bite us all in the ass.
Speaking of Conyers....I did recheck C&L's thread of July 20th @ 11:02AM PST
and therein it is reported that Conyers on that date sent a letter to Felding/Bolton
telling them that they MUST reply to his inquiry regarding Harriett Meirs failure to
show up for testimony(as required by an official subpeona) and should they not
respond by 10:00AM TODAY, he would take appropriate action. Well, it is way,
way past 10:00AM and as yet I have not seen a single word/article or otherwise
as to what "action" Cornyers is taking. Another thinly veiled threat by the Dems?
This, in my opinion, is getting beyond the realm of ridiculous. DO SOMETHING
I suggest tar 'n feathers. I would recommend chicken feathers for a chicken hawk.
David Wu, Democratic Rep from Oregon, is still sitting on the fence. Call him, Oregonians. He's been "considering" HR 333 for way too long.
Here is what "Madam Speaker has to say on impeachment:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/22/MNGH5R4QJO1.DTL
Here is Speaker Pelosi's E-mail and phone number... why don't you call and wrtie to say hello... remember us... we the people?
Contact Us
Office of the Speaker
H-232, US Capitol
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-0100
http://www.speaker.gov/contact/
Pelosi seems to be a Republican in Democrats clothing at this point.
If Cheney is removed from office, does Pelosi become VP or does Bush get to appoint someone?
Is anyone (MSM) covering this?
We Will Sit In for Impeachment
On July 23rd phone John Conyers at 202-225-5126 or send him a fax with one click.
Cindy Sheehan to Lead March for Impeachment, Arlington to Capitol Hill, July 23rd
Congressional Campaign Announcement Possible
What the hell happened to this nation? There is something terribly wrong with this country. I'm not a democrat or a republican, I'm an American. George Bush and Dick Cheney and the entire US Military Government Media should be brought to justice for war crimes against humanity.
Of course we live in a nation of cowards...
Stonicus @ 15:
He can appoint a new one but I believe that the nominee must be confirmed by the House.
No can do.
Too many Republican in Congress.
Rusty Shackleford @ 7:
Write your rep anyway, Ru. I'm sure they could use a good laugh!
Cismontane @ 9:
Too freaking bad! It's time to do what's RIGHT, not what makes good politics.
Cismontane @ 9:
I understand what you are saying here, and well understand your concerns, but right now Bush has in place EO 51 that gives him unlimited dictorial powers to enact Martial Law if any type of disaster should happen and it will. Right now we are only one disaster and one pen stroke away from that.
Impeachment proceedings must start now(we could be too late anyway) because there is an extremely good chance that there may not even BE any 2008 elections if Martial Law is enacted. BuschCo is NOT going to give up his throne in the White House, neither will the rest of his cronies/thugs, espically DICK cheney.
Would be interesting to see who he would pick. Would he have the chutzpah to select Alberto? Nah. He'd probably pick Lieberman.
Sorry, guys - Impeachment now would empower the Right again and tie us up for months.
We’re getting momentum to defeat them completely in 2008, and have the presidency, both
houses of Congress, and the ability to appoint some new members of the Supreme Court.
Please don’t empower them now. This will bite us all in the ass.
No, this must be stopped BEFORE they leave office. The danger is compounded by the damage they have done by stretching the powers not entitled to the President or VP and their amazing powergrab that has completely thrown off the balance of the branches of government. If nothing is done NOW, then they pass that off to the next President - no matter WHO it is and they aren't going to give up those powers. They only expand on them and try to get more.
Watch Bruce Fein (Constitutional scholar who wrote the articles of impeachment against Bill Clinton, and John Nichols (who wrote THE GENIUS OF IMPEACHMENT) discuss precisely WHY it must be done NOW!:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
I wasn't sure until I heard them speak in this 40 minutes of video. Now I am writing letters daily to my Congressional people.
I just called Tn. rep Steve Cohen's office -- he is not on board yet, but he has the potential!!! If he truly wants to live up to his motto "I vote like a black woman," then now's the time.
Boo @ 18:
Y'all spout this crap and have no idea what the Constitution says?
2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Always Thinking @ 16:
A good quote, but see my number 10 above...Cornyers is Chairman of the Judiciary
Committee and is doing NOTHING with respect to his letter and threat of July 20th,
so I have little confidence is him or most all in "our" U.S. Congress/Senate. Just
a bunch of blow-hards who seemingly NEVER follow through.
Roger @ 20:
Yeah, but he's a Bush a**licking Republican that has to get re-elected every two years. So let him know you're pissed off!
Post American @ 17:
The U.S. Supreme Court installed an oligarchy of racketeers into power in 2000.
Thats what happened.
Keep in mind, nay-sayers of impeachment, that it isn't just about holding the current administration to the fire. It's about telling future administrations that we won't put up with this kind of shit. The longer you wait, the less and less effective it becomes. If you're too scared to ever use it, and everyone knows it, then it may as well not even exist.
This is not just about Bush and Cheney, this is about the future of this democracy as we know it, and the future presidencies who will take advantage of what Bush and Cheney have done in the name of 'unitary executive'.
Roger @ 26:
Reading is such a beautiful thing!
andrew @ 22:
You know, I don't know why conservatives think liberals are stupid.....
Dave @ 19:
Start investivgations and the Congress-critters will be lining up at the nearest mic to be the first to say: "I was for IMPEACHMENT before I was against it!" They're imploding...
...IMPEACH or get out of the way!
Are you talkin to me, or to Bush?
Boo @ 18:
Actually I believe s/he needs to be confirmed by the Senate, not the House.
I called Conyers, his voice mailbox is full, no one answered.
As John Nichols says in the video I linked in my above post, Impeachment isn't the crisis, impeachment is the CURE for the crisis. It is the beauty of the Constitution our founding fathers so brilliantly set up to protect this great nation for situations precisely like this one. We need to let the Constitution work! We need to prove to the American people that the Constitution still works in order to restor FAITH in this government.
Cismontane @ 9:
A. Define "we're" and B. Define "them"
I have a feeling you are going to be very disappointed, win rep or win dem... ( I guarantee: you will not solve the health care issue, the education issue, the economic issue or the was in Iraq... * I hear the Mega bases are about ready for the Baskin robbins, blockbuster video and mega movie theatre... The troops will feel right at home...)
we have to impeach or the next repub president will be even more of a unitary executive theory cultist
Stonicus @ 35:
More than just you, but not to Bush.
To all you impeachment nay-sayers: the ridiculous impeachment of Bill Clinton sets the bar SO low that there's absolutely no doubt that there must now be CHIMPEACHMENT!
I contacted my representative again and this is what I had to say.
I've contacted you before about the impeachment of Cheney and Bush. As each day goes by, the reasons for impeachment increases with the decisions this administration makes. When are you going to realize that the republican side is bent on blocking any meaningful legislation you try to pass anyway. It is time to put the efforts of the Democratic House to work for We The People. As each day goes by, this administration tears another piece of our constitution and the Bill of Rights to shreds. The republican side is dedicated to paint the democrats as a do nothing congress. Show them that you care about restoring democracy and the rule of law to The United States Of America.
Because liberals don't believe in a invisible man who lives in the sky who made us out of clay a few years ago???
Rasputin @ 28:
I've written him several times, Rasputin. He really couldn't give a shit. This is non-coastal, non-Delta Mississippi. All he has to do to get re-elected every year is keep putting (R) by his name.
Stonicus @ 30:
Watergate + Iran/Contra = Today!!! Any questions?
Rusty Shackleford @ 7:
All the more reason for you to write-and to get anyone in your district to write. They have a for and against pile. Every letter equals a certain number of people who didn't write. So if you and some friends start pummeling his office with mail and calls-it'll start to skew the numbers in your favour. That's how the Reich does it. It's called lobbying. And to start up with this guy with a letter writing campaign, is grass roots lobbying.
If he thinks he has some base that is crumbling because he is a Bush licking moran, he'll see that if he continues his way, he'll be out of a job, along with the chimp.
Never underestimate your own personal power, Rusty. They count on it.
Nancy Pelosi had it right on 5/11/2006 when she explained that if they won the Nov. 2006 elections, they would not pursue impeachment. The voters knew of that campaign pledge, and they still gave the Democrats a major victory. Speaker Pelosi is keeping her word to the voters. She knew then that impeachment attempts would help the Republicans, and she knows that still. Here is her words from six months before the Nov. 2006 elections, so the voters knew that she was not going to attempt impeachment, and they voted her party into power. Facts folks. Just the facts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR200605...
Stonicus @ 43:
Nope, I was referring to this quote; "...there is an extremely good chance that there may not even BE any 2008 elections if Martial Law is enacted. BuschCo is NOT going to give up his throne in the White House, neither will the rest of his cronies/thugs, espically DICK cheney." in Post 22. We conservative believe you have the right to your religious beliefs, so long as you don't stop us from having ours!
Sorry... -- "I guarantee: "THEY" will not solve the health care issue, the education issue,...."
-- Too much money to be made screwing America and the 3rd world. The New World Order has no room for peace or for stability. The new world economy depends on you to * TRUST and choose a side and lie to yourself that they really care about you and that they are looking out for your best interest...
seamus @ 47:
Facts are not always what they were or seem. Is Nancy Pelosi a freakin' GENIUS??
seamus @ 48:
So are you saying Dem's can never change their minds? Hell they might as well be Republics then.
You know i'm about tired of this crap, "declined to take any questions". Yeah, except that's what he's there for. If he's gonna be like that then he's part of the problem.
Please tell them, if they believe there isn't enough time to both do the people's business AND protect the Constitution, then they need to skip their August vacation.
Traditionally they return in August to raise money and brag on their voting records.
Tell them there is no need to return to their districts in August because 1) we know what kind of a job they're doing, and 2) unless they support impeachment they won't be returning to Washington the next time anyway. No need to raise money, 'cause you'll be looking for a job here at home.
See if that "opens up the dialog."
Dave @ 19:
Exactly. And you can't even assume you've got all the votes on the Democratic side. A half-baked attempt by the Dems could be worse than no attempt at all. They've got one bite at the apple. If they blow it, they look like fools and John Q. Public will rally behind the embattled president, just like they did with Clinton.
Tell Congress to Begin Impeachment Proceedings NOW.
I've done this several times.
In response, they send an email that calls me "passionate".
That seems to be the preferred word.
Passionate.
We have to get them past "passionate".
The one thing that will do it is a flood of emails and phone calls and letters.
Let's do it.
Impeach the bastards!
seamus @ 48:
So, if George W. Bush launches a nuclear strike on Iran without consulting Congress, by your logic, Nancy Pelosi will stick to her guns...facts, folks. Just the facts.
Do you have a shred of a clue how silly you sound defending this woman's inaction?
Go Cindy Sheehan, as far as I'm concerned.
George @ 56:
What's the specific charge again?
I am so for impeaching these fools. They've damaged our country (not THEIR country, OUR country) for FARRRRRR too long. Hold them accountable for their crimes and their lack of concern for the rule of law, and kick their asses to the curb!!!
The Champ is out.
Always Thinking @ 34:
Nice, a new message for Nancy and the pansy Dems:
"IMPEACH, or get out of the way!"
Roger @ 2:
Impeachment is a purely-political solution - no statutory crime is necessary. Ever.
EconAtheist @ 61:
So, the charge you would present to the House for a vote of impeachment is "because we wanna, it makes us feel good"?
They'll have to get boosh's permission first.
Stonicus @ 44:
Any atheist Republicans out there? Oh, I forgot, they all have but one god: mammon.
living_abomination @ 53:
It is evident that they("our representatives") cannot walk and chew bubble gum at the
same time. See my #10 above. Cornyers is a BIG disappointment in more ways than
just one.
I get the feeling that the phone and emails MAY..just MAY be beginning to have an effect.
I refuse to get my hopes up, but I remain cautiously optimistic. I still believe that this won't happen without a fight.
Roger @ 58:
No trust, No hope and no confidence. -- Impeach them for lying over and over again.
pine nut @ 64:
I think there are atheist Republicans but they're pretty rare, and they tend to fall towards the libertarian end of the Republic Party spectrum.
Actually boosh could be charged with treason. This has all the appearance of at least sedition, but not for a foreign country, but making our country foreign to what it's always been.
I understand why Nancy Pelosi said what she said when she said it. That was a year ago. This is now.
A LOT has happened and come out since then. She was afraid it would look like the Democratic party was just getting revenge for what the Republicans did to Clinton, that perhaps she was wanting to move up the ladder. She wanted to pass good legislation that was desperately needed, and that was very admirable. Well, since then it has become clear just how VERY corrupt this Administration is, just how much disdain and disregard the administration has for the law and the Constitution, how very obstructionist the Republicans are being in blocking every good piece of legislation Congress tries to put forth that would help all Americans. The Administration is blocking all investigations and attempts at oversight, they are not cooperating with ANY subpoenas, they are covering every illegal act and blocking all judicial avenues, and now they are trying to expand this war.
With each new "Executive Order" it becomes clear that this Administration is preparing to become a dictatorship (short the trigger to set it all in motion - they are no hinting it is coming).
Nancy Pelosi MUST stop and reevaluate the situation and rethink her decision and base it totally on the Constitution and what is best for the future of this nation that she is in a position to protect and defend. She is SWORN to defend and protect the CONSTITUTION, not the Democratic party.
Bruce Fein talks directly to WHY Nancy Pelosi is wrong and WHY she must change her mind. I can't believe I am agreeing with a Republican, but I TOTALLY agree with him.
If you haven't watched this video, PLEASE watch it!
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
pine nut @ 64:
Mine's mammaries.
I just called my representative's local office and told her I think Brad Miller should support HR333 - when she asked what it was, I told her impeachment of vp cheney and possibly presnit bush, she sounded VERY surprised but said she would pass it along. man that felt good!!
Roger @ 58:
Lying to the Congress about the Iraq War - investigation STONEWALLED.
Obstruction of justice in US Attornies firing - investigation Stonewalled.
Obstruction of justice in releasing of minutes of Energy conference - investigation stonewalled
Obstruction of justice in investigation of 9/11 terrorist attachk - investigation incomplete
Obstruction of justice in investigation of outing of CIA agent - investigation stonewalled, one conviction for obstruction of justice.
Want me to continue??
Begin impeachment proceedings if for no other reason than to tie up Bush & Cheney until the end of their terms in hopes they will be too distracted to do any more damage to this country or in the Middle East. Perhaps, also, after proceedings begin, some witnesses will get up the nerve to finally speak the truth.
Just Me @ 57:
The voters were informed, six months before the last elections what the Democrats position would be, and they decided to vote them into power.
Reality Check for you, dimwit. Take your what ifs and tuck them under your Tinfoil Head Gear.
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Don't you think the reason that Dems aren't going to impeach is that there will be an attack in the US and they will be blamed?
The people behind Bush have an ace in the hole.
Show me 11 Republican Senators willing to go along, other wise its a waist of energy that the MSM will turn on the Democrats and they will be lucky if they only lose the congress and presidency for only 20 years.
Zio-Sheep @ 67:
Sure, but what lie?
Let's see allegations of destruction of confidential files and emails.
Allegations of politically motivated appointments.
Improper use of "executive privilege".
Obstruction of justice in investigation of Abu Ghrab torture.
Obstruction of justice in investigation of torture at Gitmo.
More??
Stonicus @ 15:
bush gets to pick rumsfeld
BaScOmBe @ 80:
COOOL. Then we get to impeach HIM!!
Don’t you think the reason that Dems aren’t going to impeach is that there will be an attack in the US and they will be blamed?
The people behind Bush have an ace in the hole.
As long as that ace does not include staging their own attack (I believe it is calle "false flag" and it is not unheard of in history), calling it a a 'terrorist' attack, then blaming it on the Democrats thus putting in office another Republican who will pick up the box of tools Bush and Cheney have left them and run with it.
Isn't that how Hitler came to power? Wasn't that the final tipping point? Reichstag fire?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
Do you honestly think it couldn't happen here?? (Chertoff's 'gut feeling'..)
Post American @ 17:
It's not cowardice, it's somnolence!
Liberal AND Proud @ 73:
Only until you hit one that's more than just blogosphere speculation.
Lying about the war? Prove it Attorney filing? Wasn't illegal. Just 'cuz you don't like it doesn't make it wrong! Releasing the minutes of the energy conference? Again, not illegal. Actually, upheld. Outing a CIA agent???? Do you even know what happened there? Novak talks with Armitage, who outs Plame. Novak confirms Plame's status with the CIA before talking with Rove. Rove is surprised that Novak knows, and doesn't specifically deny. So, if anyone outed Plame, it was Armitage and the CIA. How're ya gonna get Bush on that?
RayC @ 77:
Make that at least 17 Republican Senators or more, willing to vote to convict. It requires 67 Senators voting to convict in a Senate trial of a President.
...
BaScOmBe @ 80:
Don't see how that would be any worse.
Nancy Pelosi is mandated by law to proceed with IMPEACHMENT when a President and Vice President is abusing its power and DEFYING the Congress and stonewalling Congress effort in practicing their duty to oversight of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH. The three branches of government is designed to have SEPARATE but equal power. This BALANCE has tilted. The balanced government that has served our nation for 200 years has now tilted. WE MUST steadfast to our roots or OUR foundation of DEMOCRACY will crumble. The crack in the liberty bell will continue to worsen when OUR Constitution is ripped-apart.
It takes one call to our representative (your duty as a citizen of this nation) to restore and SAVE our constitution and the right direction in supporting our troops.
The end to the VIETNAM WAR ended only AFTER IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING against RICHARD NIXON began take effect.
I'm not even going to debate you on this.
You're definition of "legal" begins..."If the President does it or says it...it isn't illegal and he's always right".
Have a NICE DAY.
RayC @ 77:
FYI ~ IMPEACHMENT is done in the House...not the Senate! And you don't need a veto proof majority to start hearing. SO...
Forget the Leadership. Convince the Judiciary Committee.
Start hearings and the GOP will come rushing as more slime ooooozes out! Believe it!
Ironic.
I read Jimmy Breslin's piece dated 7/22/07 this morning and immediately e-mailed Pelosi advocating initiation of impeachment proceedings. I'm afraid we can't wait until January 2009. The survival of our nation as a true democracy is in peril.
Roger, you've done a good job memorizing the GOP talking points.
Do you say, "Seig Heil" before or after you quote them?
nwmuse @ 31:
Stonicus @ 30:
EXACTLY!!!
Don't you think that if we can get it through the house then more Republicans will have the courage to join in to do what is right? I know there are a lot of Republican senators who are uncomfortable with how rogue this Administration is. Perhaps this will be the thing that puts country and Constitution before party. That is what I am praying for.
Liberal AND Proud @ 73:
You left out one of the most obvious:
Admitted, Knowingly violating the FISA laws to illegally spy on U.S. Citizens- investigation stonewalled and brushed aside.
Are 202 numbers toll free?
I'm Scottish ancestory and need to know.
Rusty Shackleford @ 86:
Actually it would be Nancy Pelosi as per the Presidential Succession Act of 1947, unless there's another proviso like in the patriot act.
Nah, see I was with you somewhat, up until you brought up Libby. Sorry, but for whatever reason he did it, the President had every legal right to do so. It may have been unethical as hell, and maybe immoral, but it wasnt illegal.
This isnt about justice, it's about payback.
Liberal AND Proud @ 88:
I am having one, thanks. You, too.
However, legal means just that. It doesn't mean "whether a group of people don't like it." What laws were violated in the firings of the attorneys? Were they the same laws that were violated by the previous administration when they fired ALL of 'em?
Don't get me wrong, if you've got something, I'll listen. Traditionalists hate law-breakers. I just haven't heard you hit on a broken law, like "...Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Keep trying, though, it makes the rest of the country look smarter.
My bad, that's if boosh and chainey can't serve.
Liberal AND Proud @ 88:
Funny how Republics forget that getting an adulterous blowjob isn't illegal just cuz they don't like it, either.
Liberal AND Proud @ 91:
I appreciate the compliment, but I don't read talking points. I read things like the Constitution. It helps in discussions like these.
the phone message centers are always full.
Even the Dick-Licking Bush Rethugs. have to sign on sooner or later or lose a lot more seats in "08" for a long time.
patrick @ 72:
Yeah, just called Xavier Bacerra's office and told them to support Impeachment AND Inherent Contempt on Meirs. He is the assistant to the Speaker so maybe he can be brought to put some pressure on Nancy. I know he's no AIPAC but it's worth a shot.
Stonicus @ 30:
Wonderfully put and absolutely correct. Utilizing impeachment is not a matter of dem v. repub politics in the large sense. Nor is this a matter of what will the impact be in '08. Impeachment is rectifying governmental wrongs today and well beyond '08. Enough with the lead headed, simple minded and failed dem v. repub, good v. evil, liberal v. conservative, us v. them approach to this most important issue as it only ensures (as this way of thinking has led us tothis dim moment in out government) further future failures in this regard unless and until this administration is faced with a Congressional power play it cannot counter with its only known defense of "F%@#k You!". That appropriate Congressional power play is impeachment.
Pelosi does not become VP. THe President chooses someone who has to be approved by Congress.
Bruce Fein (who I keep referring to, sorry but he is a renowned Constitutional Scholar) says that it is entirely possible and necessary that Bush AND Cheney be impeached at the SAME time and he explains why in the video I have already referred to twice.
ysbaddaden @ 96:
Actually, no it wouldnt. The Presidential Succession act of 1947 may have been vague in that aspect, but the 25th Amendment is clear...the President nominates a new VP in case the VP office becomes vacant. The speaker of the house does not automatically do a Jeffersons imitation and start "Movin' on up".
seamus @ 75:
Your sneering attitude can mean only one thing: you are a wing-nut.
"She knew then that impeachment attempts would help the Republicans, and she knows that still." Those are YOUR words, so be careful about the "dimwit" name calling. (Why do you wingers always resort to name calling, BTW?)
I'll use a simpler analogy, one that you might understand:
If George W. Bush or Richard Cheney shoot you in the head, ya think it's still okay for Pelosi to stick to HER guns...and not impeach?
Can you answer without the name calling?
seamus @ 85:
The repugs are already blocking over 40 pieces of progressive legislation. it can't get any worse on the law-producing front. in addition, bush now feels free to veto child health bills and education assistance bills because he wants money to go to corporations. his domestic agenda to destroy the middle-class and wage class warfare is heating up.
if impeachment proceeds and we don't have congress passing laws into limbo, they can focus on removing the cancer from the whitehouse. then they can restore the progressive legislative agenda.
equilibrio @ 94:
Now, see, that one might have some teeth to it.
See, not a talking point, a potentially broken law.
Anyone who says 'No' to impeaching Bush/Cheney, is saying that they are unimpeachable.
Anyone who says the actions of Bush and Cheney are unimpeachable is nuts, or must be yearning for the second coming of a Fascist State or the return to rule by Kings.
In Bush's twisted logic, he KNOWS that GOD intends for him to be president, and do what he's doing, 'because if God didn't want me to do this, He could sure stop me, couldn't He?'
In other words, our president is insane. Can't he be retired to a rubber room under the 'Incapacitated' clause?
Wouldn't it be ironic if Fielding and his crew of umpteen DOJ idiots pled Bush 'Not Guilty By Reason Of Insanity' at an Impeachment Trial?
Roger @ 78:
Here's a laundry list written up by Ramsey Clark, in the ever-popular "Articles of Impeachment [of President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez]" format-as in a legal document.
He's an atty, so I think he's covered your concerns with the illegality of activities committed by the Chimp-"more than just blogosphere speculation" which you've offered up as a litmus test.
http://www.gpln.com/impeacharticles.htm
Roger @ 98:
Tu Quoques don't work here. Clinton fired his attorneys, like other presidents do at the BEGINING of his term. Those he appoints serve pretty much for the entire time he does. boosh fired attorneys he hired during his first term, during his second term, and there's plenty of indications that it may have been to interfere with investigations, which IS a crime.
Liberal AND Proud @ 88:
Almost L AND P. If a REPUBLICAN President does it or says it. Do you really think these trolls would be agreeing a Democratic could have absolute power?
"However, legal means just that. It doesn’t mean “whether a group of people don’t like it.” What laws were violated in the firings of the attorneys? Were they the same laws that were violated by the previous administration when they fired ALL of ‘em?"
Yeah, I guess the Jews had no "legal" right to gripe about being legally led to the gas chambers under German law. They were just "a group of people didn’t like it".
Doggiebobo @ 27:
The mailbox for John Conyers is full.
A good quote, but see my number 10 above...Cornyers is Chairman of the Judiciary
Committee and is doing NOTHING with respect to his letter and threat of July 20th,
so I have little confidence is him or most all in "our" U.S. Congress/Senate. Just
a bunch of blow-hards who seemingly NEVER follow through.
Roger @ 58:
Start here:
Bill Moyers (Bruce Fein and John Nichols)
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
Open Source (w/Laurence Tribe, Glenn Greenwald and Bruce Fein on domestic wiretapping program - reveals a deliberate effort to break the law).
Feingold (His censure arguments can be used as impeachment arguments)
Al Gore (Assault on Reason)
The whole book is an argument for impeachment
Members of Congress know Bush/Cheney/Gonzales have committed impeachable offenses, but they don't want to pursue it because they fear political falllout.
That's not right.
They have a duty to uphold the Constitution.
Period.
Oversight hearings are accomplishing nothing. They last a day or two, then it's back to business as usual.
Impeachment is the only remedy.
What's more important? Withdrawl from Iraq or an unsuccessful impeachment? Pursuing impeachment could poison whatever bipartisanship on Iraq currently exists.
Rusty Shackleford @ 100:
Was that the charge? I thought it was perjury and obstruction of justice. Hmm, I'll have to go back and look that up. Tell you what, why don't you do that so you can show me good!
L.A. Confidential @ 6:
Is that why I have an urge to rearrange the deck chairs?
They can be impeached without being removed from office. That is a seperate step with trial before the senate. I would just hope if they can impeach them it might at least be a wakeup call that they have to stop what they are doing and back off.
I have also been writing daily to the House Judiciary regarding impeachment AND INHERENT CONTEMPT against Harriet Miers and Josh Bolton. Here is the link I use:
http://judiciary.house.gov/Contact.aspx
Liberal AND Proud @ 66:
you are not alone in the feeling or the fight.
Boo @ 18:
Actually has to be confirmed by a majority of the House and Senate, voting as a group.
Roger @ 119:
I'm not surprised you missed the point.
In fact, that might be the Republican 'Talking Point' to defend Bush when Impeachment draws nearer:
'Don't waste time Impeaching Bush, he'll just plead Insanity'.
Cismontane @ 9:
With all due respect, people seem to forget that not every position in government is up for re-election every 2 or 4 years. Chimp and his chronies have appointed slimey politician after slimey politician to every government organization under the sun, from the intelligence community (FBI/CIA/Pentagon) to the scientific community (NSF/NASA/EPA) to the disastrous DHS and related bodies (DoD/DoJ/FEMA). And need I even mention an entire branch of government (SCOTUS)?! I could cite specific examples of all these, but it would just look like I was plagiarizing the entirety of C&L.
The backdoor executive appointments of corporate and political drones by this administration is at the heart of the ineffectiveness of the federal government today. It will take decades to be undone because these appointees are never elected by We the People and are nearly impossible to remove without a federal-wide shakedown... all the more reason to impeach NOW and show all these Chimpies who is really in charge... WE THE PEOPLE!!
I have been writing every day to the House Judiciary regarding impeachment and INHERENT CONTEMPT for Harriet Miers and Josh Bolton. Here is the link I use:
http://judiciary.house.gov/Contact.aspx
Just Me @ 108:
You decide to quote my comment and attack me as silly sounding, and now you feel all hurt because I gave you a taste of your own medicine. Take a hike you silly whining sneak attack hypocrite.
I want you put on on trial and convicted now, because what if you do run a red light and run over a couple of nuns crossing the street. Moron.
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Liberal AND Proud @ 115:
What happenings in the United States are you comparing to German law of 60+ years ago?
Rusty Shackleford @ 7:
That's what elections are for...vote the bum out!!
Shared Humanity @ 122:
Article One, Section 3: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
bubba @ 118:
you left out..."then THE TERRORISTS WIN!!"
LOLOLOL! Gawwd, turn the record over...I'm getting side of Side A.
I just googled House Judiciary and hit the contact button, and then have been writing the House Judiciary every day concerning the need for Impeachment and using INHERENT CONTEMPT against Harriet Miers and Josh Bolton to arrest them and bring them before the House and force them to testify.
Roger @ 127:
Pretty much.
The rise of Nazism didn't start in 1941. It took 20 some odd years to get there. Hitler wasn't the cause of Nazism. He was the end result.
Rusty Shackleford @ 123:
This may have been said above. I do not have the time right now to read all comments.
Called Conyers office. Person who answered said that the Congressman meant that if all the people he was speaking to would get 3 congress members to sign up he would push the bill forward.
When asked how many people Mr. Conyers was speaking to, the phone person did not know. So if it was 3 that would mean 9 members of congress needed to sign on. 10 would mean 30. etc. etc.
Yet AGAIN all talk no action.
nincompoop @ 76:
I think that is a reasonable concern. And BushCo, with its unlimited powers, can easily cook something up and blame it on Al Qaeda or some other "terrrist" group and the Dems know it.
(It kills me how some progressive media refuse to question the official version of 911 and yet they are now worried about another attack coming at an opportune time, for some strange reason. Can't imagine how that idea got into their heads. Are they suggesting a government conspiracy in the making, perhaps?? Heaven forbid.)
Of course, I'm not worried about terrrists nearly as much as I am worried about what my own government might do.
Liberal AND Proud @ 132:
I'll use more common English and see if you get it.... What things are happening now, here, that you are comparing to that time then in a different country with different laws and different ways of making laws and holding lawmakers responsible?
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Even if the House of Representatives does manage to pass articles of impeachment against Cheney and Bush, it would still have to be voted on by the Senate, where the Democrats haved a razor thin majority and idiots like Sen. Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman (who claims that he's an independent) among their ranks. The odds are that Bush will survive it just like Clinton. Once again, the American voters have let the country down by failing to elect a substantial majority of Democrats in the Senate last year.
Rusty Shackleford @ 123:
I got the point, charges will be drummed up for anything that can be argued against. That’s been the point of all of the links provided, as well - drummed up, baseless charges. You guys are fighting against the things you don’t like, but aren’t treason, bribary, etc. The only one that has teeth is the FISA, and I’m guessing there’s a lot more to that, or we would have heard more about it.
Ignoring the pointless isn’t the same as not getting the point.
[Sorry for the repost, I screwed up the other post]
Seems now that many, many cheating Rethugs. really do love the blowjobs they get from their personal prostitutes. Can't wait for Flynt to knock a few more self rightous Repug. hypocrites off their high horses.
Three words.
The PATRIOT Act
More words...
elimination of writ of haeous corpus.
You can find the analogies of those events in Nazi Germany...and you won't have to look too hard.
Be like the President....use the Google and search the internets.
What you miss is the republicans run all branches of government. Specific tactics have changed but little else.
The only purpose impeachment can serve at this point is to influence the election of '08. If it were timed so that the trial in the senate occured in October '08 - a democratic October surprise - then all the crimes could be forced onto TV just prior to the election in November.
You see, the republicans underestimated the turnout in the off year election of '06 and undercaged/understole the election. (It is likely the democrats actually won more seats ...) They wont make that mistake twice. Unless there is a major event - like an October surprise - the congress could even return to the republicans via caging/stealing - that hasnt been stopped, and if you think it has I would personally appreciate the references.
Of course I would impeach simply because it is a lawfull response to criminal behavior and the implementation of non-constitutional monorchical political theories. Kucinich is the canary in the coal mine here - and he is choking to death, however.
The democrats are triangulating unpriciples thugs. Unless the see a 'move' (and they really arent good gamesmen) they wont act. An October trial would be a 'move' but I dont think the democrats are honorable enough or brave enough to make it.
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habeus corpus
My apologies.
Roger @ 84:
What about refusing to comply with congressional subpoenas, trying to elevate the executive branch above the legislative, even with regards to previous members?
Not very knowledgeable about your constitution I must admit, but no branch was above any other, as in checks and balances, yes?
So, please check my logic, not specific rules/laws, but logic:
Congress is within their rights to demand information, its their job to review the actions, providing a check and oversight on the executive branch. If the executive refuses to give requested information, they prevent the legislative from doing their job, and the checks and balances function of the division of power is broken, on purpose, which is a clear breach of the intent, and the set up in the constitution?
On a side note, wasn't Capone busted for tax evasion?
bubba @ 118:
That is correct. The only way that Bush can get back to at least 50% percent in the polls is to try removing him now. He is a dead man walking. Why help the bastard. The most recent national poll on Impeachment showed that only 45% of the people support it. That means that a strong majority of the nation does not, and many of them will rally to support Bush.
Force Steny Hoyer and the Blue Dogs to vote with their own majority to provide no more War Funds for Bush's Iraq Lunacy. An impeachment marathon will make Bush stronger and prolong his Iraqmire. Many more will die while we waste our time on something that will not end the war, and will not get at least the 17 Republican Senate votes needed to oust him.
Cut to the chase. Cut off the war funds ASAP. Go after the Blue Dogs and Steny Hoyer, Majority Leader. Tell them to stay on the Democratic Party porch where the voters expect them to be.
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House Committee to Vote on Contempt Charges
Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, July 23, 2007
The House Judiciary Committee will vote Wednesday on whether to hold current and former White House officials in contempt of Congress, signaling that Democratic lawmakers intend to press toward a constitutional showdown with the Bush administration over last year's firings of nine U.S. attorneys.
Today's announcement by Judiciary Chairman John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.) puts House Democrats on a legal collision course with the White House, which said last week that it would not allow the Justice Department to pursue contempt charges brought by Congress.
...Conyers said the decision to move forward with contempt proceedings was made reluctantly, but asserted that the committee had few options in the face of the refusals by the White House to comply with committee subpoenas.
***More stalling and delaying by Conyers. The Contempt charge should've been filed TODAY. And only INHERENT CONTEMPT is acceptable. Criminal Contempt is a brick wall. We need to flood Conyers with calls until his phones shut down and demand INHERENT CONTEMPT. 1-202-225-5126.
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Cismontane Says:
Sorry, guys - Impeachment now would empower the Right again and tie us up for months.
We’re getting momentum to defeat them completely in 2008, and have the presidency, both
houses of Congress, and the ability to appoint some new members of the Supreme Court.
Please don’t empower them now. This will bite us all in the ass.
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Unless we act now, we won’t be having elections in 08. Think of it this way: why on earth would this openly criminal administration work so hard for so long to accrue executive powers and then give those same powers to a democrat. It just doesn’t fly.
That’s why we must ACT and not talk or give Darthco a mere slap on the wrist. May I add how utterly shameful it is to watch the dems—at this late stage and with all they know—to continue to quake in their boots over the MSM. Don’t they know by now that anything they do of substance, anything they do that seriously challenges the criminals in office, will be propagandized by the MSM?
the biggest problem here is the msm. when clinton was going the impeachment process the msm gave you all the reasons why he should be removed. with bush the msm will give you all the reasons why he shouldn't.
Liberal AND Proud @ 140:
These are the things you think are happenning? The Patriot Act. That's good, that's a real one. What about it is your problem?
Can you site an American citizen not being granted the writ of habeous corpus?
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