President Bush Wants Power To Immunize Telecoms That Aid In Spying On Americans
By Logan Murphy Sunday Aug 05, 2007 2:48pm
Via The Raw Story:
The day after President George W. Bush marshaled political forces in Congress to grant him greater authority to engage in counter terrorism-related spying, the president stated that he would seek greater changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act when the legislative branch returns to work in September.
"While I appreciate the leadership it took to pass this bill, we must remember that our work is not done," the President said in his Sunday statement. "This bill is a temporary, narrowly focused statute to deal with the most immediate shortcomings in the law."
The President said next month he would focus on further immunizing private companies that cooperate with government wiretapping. However, he used complicated language to describe these activities.
"When Congress returns in September the Intelligence committees and leaders in both parties will need to complete work on the comprehensive reforms requested by Director McConnell, including the important issue of providing meaningful liability protection to those who are alleged to have assisted our Nation following the attacks of September 11, 2001," he said.
One constitutional scholar derided Bush's reasoning, particularly the tortuous language in his statement. Read more...
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid must find a way to corral rogue Democrats in Congress and stand together for the civil liberties of all Americans.
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That funny look on his face, he know's exactly what's going down.
Jerry Lewis is going to kick his ass, and he's biiiig now.
1984
Go ahead. The dems will give it to you. Just threaten to send them to bed without dessert. :roll:
Sorry, I thought that said telethons.
Damn these middle-aged eyes!
That's what I thought miss kitty. He's on a roll now that his mandate stretches to the Democrats.
What a let down.
There will be no spine inserted during the August recess. The people who control the executive branch also control the legislative and judicial branches. These people are not the mass of citizens in this country and these people are very afraid of the power of the masses. The question is not reigning in rogue democrats (little d) but reigning ourselves in. How many of us are prepared to rise and stand up for the rights we think we want for ourselves? Who will point to the elephant in the room - at the risk of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? How many?
Next: Tax breaks for those citizens deemed supportive of the war on terror.
Every time I see this picture of Bush reading "My Pet Goat" on 9-11, I just think "what a complete idiot".
No wonder we are both reviled and laughed at throughout the world.
Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe just got the same kinds of powers over the weekend, too.
I guess what is good for one dictator is good for another.
Dumbya is a complete MORON who still can't read.
Hey, ppssstt!, you there, Commander guy,........
Hey, ppsstt!, you there, Decider guy......
Hey, will somebody tell this putz that "the country is under attack"!
WTF do you mean,....he ALREADY knows? !!
Whatever Chimpy wants....Chimpy gets.
Christ, what would happen if his approval rating was actually respectable?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid must find a way to corral rogue Democrats in Congress and stand together for the civil liberties of all Americans.
Sadly, the "rogues" - of any party - are precisely the ones who would stand for civil liberties over the corporatists.
now that congress is out on recess, the republicans are calling the dems ineffective and the dems are calling the repub's obstructionists.
i say they're both right.
i also say they both suck.
I think I'll just take a nap until Jan. 09. Wake me when this freaking nightmare is over.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid must find a way to corral rogue Democrats in Congress and stand together for the civil liberties of all Americans.
Umm...I hate to say "I told you so" but, uh...
Hell, this isn't even about civil liberties. This is about protecting big-ass telecom corporations like AT&T from having to part with any of their precious money for having VIOLATED THE LAW.
Perhaps, we the poeple should ask the president why was he sitting in the classroom and delaying to shoot down the planes?
He is afraid that telecommunications might intercept his dealings and therefore is undermining the rights of the citizens.
Get used to the police state. The founders gave the powers to the Congress and the Executive. The Judiciary is a hen-pecked system that cannot defend the citizens. It is a mob rule of the few only to be called the republic than the despotic rule of one man the KING.
Sigh. Nobody is going to stand up as long as they can still watch their plasmas and drive there new hybrids. We're screwed, until we're actually screwed and then, lord knows...
Forget this surveillance stuff, isn't it about time for Bush to be photographed holding hands with Saudi princes again? These long-distance relationships are always hard to maintain.
I thought he was the decider:
http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/Y/0/-/-/stewie_evil.jpg
He's even less funny.
And I'm sure there will be language in the bill to punish any telecom who refused to play along.
and here we are in
a FUCKING POLICE STATE
run by a fascist.
Curtilingus @ 6:
Isn't Karl Rove his man date?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid must find a way to corral rogue Democrats in Congress and stand together for the civil liberties of all Americans.
It's like beating your head against a wall...NANCY "impeachment is off the table, no new investigation of 9/11" PELOSI is in on it...there is only ONE political party with two names.
The absurdity of denigrating the Main Stream Media all the while supporting Main Stream Politicians!
I REALLY like the picture they have up for this article, but bush should be sitting in the corner with a pointed dunce hat.
A moron fascist to boot.
-GSD
Petro @ 14:
EXACTLY RIGHT!
Dammit, just say no to this shit! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!
Pelosi and Reid? If you two ever wanted to prove your worth, if you ever want to get out from under this man and his incessant pissing on the constitution with the sense they you fuckers are just as complicit by being his lapdogs... IF you people ever want to get out from under that charge, this is the issue, this is the time to stand up to this man and say 'hell no Mr. President, no more shredding of the constitution to satisfy your own paranoia and the fascist ulterior motives of the unitary executive crowd'....
'Use the legal mechanisms that already exist Mr. President and use them legally if you want to wiretap someone suspected of criminal activity'...
As to the idea that businesses that assisted you in your earlier illegal wire tapping should be protected from lawsuits or other criminal prosecution? NO! IF their acts merit law suits or criminal charges, then I say issue the arrest warrants for the coporate heads and otherwise sue them into the ground!!! They all have perfectly ligitimate legal departments fully manned with supposedly capable attorneys who supposedly know the law... IF there was any question in any legal counsels mind (and there damn well should have been) of these business, mostly telecommunications companies, that these acts taken by these companies in collusion with Bush's illegal activities under the constitution, then they should fire those attorneys for incompetence and face the ramifications of those acts... Even if it means coughing up a substantial fine under the terms of a settled lawsuit.. Ignorance, as its been said time and again, is no excuse for breaking the law... Frankly there really is no excuse for the ignorance claim since everyone involved had top flight legal reps thruout within every organization or entity that has its hands dirtied by this unconstitutional abomination of our laws and culture...
So again I say to congress, SAY NO to this shit and allow the full weight of the law as it exists to fall on the shoulders of those business who put political expediancy and ideas of currying favor with this immoral administration above the laws of the land, above the peoples individual rights, above the constitution itself... It's not fucking right to continue to go along with this travesty and charade against the American people....Not right at all.....JD
Just one day after the FBI raided the home of former DOJ attorney Thomas M. Tamm in connection with the December 2005 leak of President Bush's illicit NSA domestic surveillance program, conservatives are beginning to clamor for action against another target: The New York Times.
For the details, see:
"Is the New York Times the Next NSA Leak Target?"
GSD @ 28:
Your giving bush too much credit by calling him a moron.
What's he going to do give a big ass covering party when he gets his way completely?
myiq2xu @ 25:
I thought is was Jimmy/Jeff/Gannon/Guckert?
that is some really scary fucking language
To whoever said it before, yep its official. Police state.
great, now some pimple faced IT guy can scan my email and my phone calls because its ok.
Petro @ 14:
Agreed! Nancy and Harry allow themselves to be bullied into submission over and over and over again...
Haha, the dems say they will restrict this law when they come back, and the prez says no, I want to expand it.
Sound like the plot of a sitcom we'll all be watching in the camps.
Dear Nancy and Harry,
Do America a favor, go down to your nearest bookstore and buy [at taxpayers' expense of course] "Give a Mouse a Cookie" - study it REAL HARD!!!
The only thing the Screw Up In Chief wants to do a thorough job of is depriving us of our civil and human rights. In this, he wants to excel.
Everything meaningful and worthwhile he wants to trash--with the frigging Dem's help.
“What’s that clicking sound I now hear whenever I use the phone?”
Get used to it.
Sorry, it's entitled, "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie"....
This is where we're really going to see what those telcos get for shovelling campaign dollars into the political process. Plenty of Dems are going to vote with Bush to protect their telco largesse.
It is for precisely this reason that we need public financing of political campaigns.
The little prick is just daring the Dems to try and stop him.
But when the Democrats stand up, their pants fall down.
Buckley @ 36:
Damn, now we'll never get into any Krispy Kremes.
Just as well, they're crap. I only want a hard candy shell on my M&M's.
"Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse." - Lily Tomlin
Reid and Pelosi are great actors and so is Mrs. Clinton.
Word of wisdom: Sit at home on election day; who cares which party wins; they are the same. The laws will be carried out by both parties.
Don't waste your almighty dollars on the politicians. You might wisely do charity for the poor or the unicef.
How long is it going to be before Bush has all his critics, including those is Congress, arrested and detained as enemies of the state? Watch out, Nancy and Harry, he's coming for you next!
On The Clock;
Agreed, A significant one of many reasons for publically financed elections.....JD
Gort @ 42:
No that's just Earnestine the switchboard operator twirling her weave and tutting her tongue.
[Deleted. Off topic]
It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
Let's tap his phone!
"Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" was on cable last night, and I thought it'd be a good time to screen it in light of the current machinations of our legislative branch. Cheer me up, perhaps.
The ostensibly "uplifting" Frank Capra tale left me with the thought - if the anti-hero didn't break down and confess at the end, the "hero" would have been completely effed by the system. Not uplifting at all, by my lights...
RIP/USA
They can pass any law they like. But it will NEVER be legal to violate our unalienable rights.
The Declaration of Independence notes that governments are formed by Men TO PROTECT THEIR UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. That is the PURPOSE of a government. THIS government, which systematically violates those rights and continues to expand its (ILLEGAL) power to violate them is a ROGUE GOVERNMENT.
It has power (for the time being), but NO LEGITIMACY.
@49 How long is it going to be before Bush has all his critics, including those is Congress, arrested and detained as enemies of the state?
I asked my rep that very question this morning.
And I told him about the boiling rage on the blogs.
EZ @ 48:
I can't disagree with you, but unfortunately we have to accept responsibility for what these "representatives" do. It is hard and dirty work, but they'd have encroached on us even faster, and will do so, if we abdicate.
ti chi @ 37:
More than likely that has already occurred WITHOUT complying w/the FISA law, but
"not to worry", if bush's proposal goes thru, IT and AT&T & Verzion and all telecomunication
companies who have been complicant in the past and who will continue to do so in the
future, will NOT be held liable under this amendment to FISA law. bush is taking care of ALL of his buddies(Big Pharm, Communication Industry, MSM,et.al) and to be sure they are not
subject to lawsuits and damages, he is proposing a "retro active" enactment of this law.
This county is going to hell and "our" US Congress is almost equally as guilty.
Give Me Convenience @ 7:
my guess is two just you and me!
Everyone knows we are the spinelss one.Why can't we tell Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and the other spineless Dem> and Rep. to go to Hell
Uh, chuck?
This is our party, and this is our country. We're not gonna cut and run, we're gonna take them back.
I'm not joining an irrelevant third party and I'm not moving to Canada.
But let me wish you Bon Voyage if you want to go.
"President Bush Wants Power To Immunize Telecoms That Aid In Spying On Americans"
Here's something he can't immunize anyone against: THE JUSTIFIABLE WRATH OF WE THE PEOPLE.
May be I am reading too many books; I can envision the doom of the politicians one by one; the mafia style execution; hold the gun and shoot yourself since you were accomplice of this evil agenda. This order will be coming out from the beast itself. Either you are with him or against him. Screw the citizens (sarcasm).
From now on the script is going to be from the beast in charge: "Cook it up and fool the citizens, or you die."
No: 64, the president is playing reverse psychology on you folks. Be wise!
EZ@48 thannk you, i feel the sme way.
I want all my communications classified. If the white house can classify every damned thing they do, why can't I? Everything we do must be open to them. Everything they do must be hidden from us. Something about that arrangement is so un-American.
What would be more stupid than Congres legalizing the unlawful warrant violations? For Congress, on teh day after they legalize the unlawful conduct, to censure BUshy for doing what they just legalized
"How long is it going to be before Bush has all his critics, including those is Congress, arrested and detained as enemies of the state? Watch out, Nancy and Harry, he’s coming for you next!"
Nancy and Harry are lapdogs. They are perfectly safe. But the actual critics WILL be arrested and imprisoned. And, that will be the beginning of the end for the Republican tyrants and their enablers.
Because 2/3 of the 300,000,000 million of us are going to stop them. With surprising ease, once we start.
And the Dems will give him everything he wants.
pissed off patricia @ 68:
Congress and the Judicial Branch need a tool to randomly sample the NSA intercepts to ensure compliance. No notice. 24-Hour. To ensure the President and AG are not abusing their power.
President has NSA-resources; Judiciary and Congress need the same capability to check the President. How about that document retention, David Addington? Should've used the document destruction logs.
So what's the fuss and trouble all about?....
What about the old Executive privilege angle if this plan doesn't pan out?.....
Pretty sad, huh?...
I can say without eqivocation that I can not recall any evidence of wrongdoing.
That picture on this thread is from a reading of My Pet Goat. Isn't that a non-neutral position, in that's related to 9-11.
Or are we not allowed to mention that?
EZ @ 48:
You'd like that, wouldn't you?
well the upside of this...when Hillary becomes president, she'll have all the tools she needs to round up all the 28%ers. PS Chill folks, that was thrown out there to scare the shit out of all the rightwing lurkers.
ysbaddaden @ 2:
LOL! Big and grumpy!
BushCo rule nos. 1-3:
If they don't like it, do it more.
When the knife is in, twist it hard.
If the Liberals aren't screaming bloody murder, you're doing something wrong.
all future leaders, when having failed to protect the nation against something like 9/11, need to step down immediately.
why?
take a look at this place, it's a mess.
If a judge ruled the wiretaps were illegal, how is making it legal now going to make what they were doing before legal. The law doesn't work like that. If you break a law that is illegal at the time of your action, you are still guilty even if the law is later changed. Bush forced or asked these communications companies to work with him and what they did was, according to the judge, illegal. Now they change the law so the companies can continue to do what they were doing, but now legally. Aren't the companies still guilty of illegal acts prior to yesterday?
strawberry @ 77:
Yeah, but wouldn't it be nice....It was "your game and your rules", now let's see how
you like it when Hillary is in charge. Go get them.
pissed off patricia @ 81:
bush's proposal is make the new FISA law retroactive, so violations of law "back then"
would not be subject to litigation and/or damages...
Is it possible Pelosi and Reid are giving boosh enough rope to hang himself?
Only way he'll find himself well hung.
At this point, I'm thinking of taking the Constitution, some political books, and 9/11 dvds and burying them in my yard.
The government got Americans to hand over their gold; I don't think handing over subversive books will be a problem.
Imagine what life is going to be like if any one of the Repub candidates should, by some reason from hell, win the next presidential election. Not sure I'm strong enough to go through something like that.
Must be nice to be able to break the laws of this land at will and have a body politique to retroactively legalize your indiscretions. Being President is a pretty good gig.
Thank you for that information, Doggiebobo. Silly me, I thought they were using the rules and laws the way the rest of us have to.
Cool! Rob a bank, take a shitload of money, then have the law changed so bank theft was never illegal. I say we start making laws, it sounds like fun.
Now they can really get THAT list of names much faster
for those headed to the camps. See you all there!!!
Is Bubble Boy that delusional as to believe that the people will grant him greater powers in order exonerate or condone his criminal activity? This will never happen.
Bubble Boy doesn't realize that there will be no ex post facto involved in what he's already done which is in violation of the laws and constitution of this country. He'll not get his skin out of this one any time soon.
lucid fiction @ 89:
Can we raid the girls's camp?
Curtilingus @ 1:
To me, he's got that look of being doublecrossed or duped, by Cheney no doubt.
So it is now possible to pass retroactive laws forgiving past criminal or civil transgressions?
Doggiebobo @ 83:
Oh no he can't! No ex post facto business here. His breaking of the law is in the courts right now and there will be no defacto exoneration now for him.
I'm telling you, John Yoo and David Adkins are running all this stuff out now "Absolute Immunity" and "Immunity for Alleged Acts"...
All this legal precedent they are inventing, that NO ONE has ever heard of in constitutional law.
Because, they KNOW when they leave office, and we finally get a look behind the curtains, the BILLIONS of dollars that have been stolen have to protected.
Rove and Cheney are setting up Bush for some gigantic "Blanket Pardon" for any and all crimes committed during his six years.
And, with Alito and Roberts in the USSC, chances are, it would even survive that.
This is all about CYA, covering EVERYONE'S ASS that would turn on them, and point out where the bodies are buried.
Cheney and Rove spit on the rule of law everyday, they are true Nihilists, and only getting away with the money matters to them now.
They assumed, Rove told them, they would have a Republican Congress to protect them. Now, they are worried about being caught with all the billions.
It's always been about the money...Every Republic admin that turns traitor, they real do it for the money
At no moment in history, have more purely evil actors been in power in the US.
Perhaps there's something more going on here than meets the eye at first blush? Perhaps Bush has already hung himself? What about the leaked "top secret document" which is being used as prima facie evidence of warrantless illegal wiretapping by Bush? Where does that all stand right now?
pissed off patricia @ 81:
Not unless they've already been found guilty, otherwise they're innocent until proven otherwise. Since you can't really jail corporations your point is mostly academic. However, if they're still not protected from civil suits, preponderance of evidence is sufficient.
This shows why booshco had their tort "reform" to clamp down on class actions suits. Each individual would have to file their own case, and face the expense. The corporations can endure the financial costs longer.
Nixon didn't seem to care about the money.
dadams @ 24:
One of your better types of police state............ where they allow fucking, at least.
He is asking the democrats to legislate his viscious policies into existence - he will then blame the democrats. (Ask any woman, thugs always blame their victims)
Do you understand the saying - 'having cake and eating it'?
Gort @ 42:
Buckley @ 36:
At the height of Martial Law, in then communist Poland (1980-ties, by Jaruzelski criminal general), for several years, during the telephone calls tapped into by govt thugs, in real-time, the callers would hear a robo-voice in Polish: "This call is being monitored". The snail mail (postcards, and letters in envelopes) were stamped w/ govt censor's stamp as well. This was applicable to all 'monitored' domestic communications as well as foreign. Supposedly not all were monitored, and not all mail was stamped, not all calls had that background 'music'.
How about demanding from our reps/senators, that the SAME identification will be granted in our current US situation ? Since they are skilled enough to intercept, they must be skilled enough to electronically 'stamp' it. Since this is now LEGAL (and supposedly NOT against the 'non-terrorists), there should be NO problem w/them just doing theirjob,as selling bread. At least we should know -WE APY for this as well !!
I can't believe this is the US !!
hadenuf @ 98:
Probably neither does Bush, but WHO SAYS he's calling the shots? He's just a puppet with a messanic complex and a bully attitude. All bluster, a total windbag, whose never taken a real punch, and, as the picture shows, when dragged out of his bubble, he turns into a simpering puddle.
His family has all the Saudi Oil wealth they need, it's the Cheneys et all who are packing hundreds of millions into the bank.....
They know, how brutally UGLY it's probably going to get, when the economy collapses, so they have to have plenty of gold to pay the Blackwater private Army to protect their Enclaves.
It's the crime of the millenium, literally billions being transferred to a small group of elites....
So the recently promoted idea of immunizing airplane passengers who alert authorities to suspicious-behaving arab-looking fellow passengers was really a smokescreen and a camel's nose under the tent for this far greater action?
pissed off patricia @ 68:
Quote of the day p.o.p. !
But of course, as the Hannity types will tell you, if you're doin nuttin' wrong, then you got nuttin' to worry about. Right?
Pelosi IS one of those "rogue" Democrats. What good will she do?
Anyway, were is that Democratic activist, from San Fransisco, that heavily chastised me last year for saying that the Democrats are no better than the Republicans?
I would love to chat with her again about the subject.
"harry reid and nancy pelosi must find a way..."?
Excuse me, but they're part of the problem! Christ, they rolled over and pee'd on themselves when bush asked for the FISA update just so they could get home for a vacation - why in god's name do you think they're going to do anything differently next time?
sure would be nice to have representatives with spines. but i guess the threat of gwb being mad at them is too much to take
New definition for conspiracy theorist: prophet
We now know where the Democraps stand. They stand for nothing.
What's that noise I hear?
Methinks it's the sound of Congressional Democrats rolling over!
108 pk Says: “harry reid and nancy pelosi must find a way…”?
Excuse me, but they’re part of the problem! Christ, they rolled over and pee’d on themselves...
Taboo magazine would love pictures of Pelosi for the tinkle and GILF lovers.
I wonder what Two FBI agents had to say back in March 2007..
http://www.nswbc.org/Press%20Releases/PressRelease-March5-07.htm
I wonder what a gagged former FBI translater has to say...
http://www.nswbc.org
I wonder what our Founding Fathers had to say about another King George..
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaratio...
somebody please shut that light off.
EZ @ 48:
I've resisted this line of thinking for a long time. Having been very active in organizing, get-out-the-vote efforts, canvassing, etc., I have to admit, I've never been so discouraged as I was after Congress rubber-stamped this legislation over the weekend.
I'm not sure it matters who we vote for--they're clearly two sides of the same coin. I'm even a bit inclined to believe we won't have an election in '08. Seem far-fetched? I never believed our civil liberties would be trashed to this extent, especially with so little time left in Bush's term and Democrats at least numerically in control of both houses.
It may be time to focus on good works at the local level. I'm not sure there are enough people in the country who care enough to resist losing the rights they had--rights of which they seem ignorant.
At least their cell phones are shiny.
533 days left of the Bush reign of terror?
He will leave with a military destroyed, more wealth concentrated in fewer hands then ever in US history, and virtually all our civil liberties thrown in the trasheap of history...
And, with blanket "Absolute Immunity" pardons for all who helped commit the crimes.
How could this happen? How can people be SO stupid and blind?
Does the general population have any idea at all that the neocons led by Bushco now have all the building blocks in place to do absolutely anything they want to with unfettered will?
- Patriot Act (check)
- Lapdog judicial system (check)
- Electronic voting with no audit trails (check)
- Elimination of Habeas Corpus (check)
- Extraordinary Renditions and torture (check)
- Signing Statements (check)
- Completely nut-less Congress (check)
- Media completely bought off (check)
- Protect America Act (check)
- FBI to solicit thousands of government snitches (check)
- Telecom immunization (check)
Folks, the coup is complete. We the people are completely and utterly powerless. I used to think it was crazy, but these guys could cancel the 2008 elections, and the MSM will probably not even blink. The -only- thing that can stop these evildoers now is China. Think about that.
Someone who sings up for the reserves now, can expect to be rotated into Iraq until they are maimed or killed.
There was a time, when they could reasonable expect to only be called up in an emergency, and only for a short tour.
Those days are over. Now the the purpose of the reserves is to acquire combat troop at discount rates. I think that people considering the reserves should think long and hard about it. Do they want to be combat soldiers on a short salary or go into the regular forces for full benefits, until they get discharged and screwed over?
I don't think businesses have to worry much. If they have to take back a reservist, that reservist will soon be slingshot back into the war.
I'd like to recommend some summer reading for all of our senators and representatives.
It's called the Constitution of the United States of America.
Really, if you haven't read it before (and I suspect they haven't), it's quite a nice read.
I highly recommend it.
Peace,
C.
-Reichstag fire (check)
which led to all the others
isis11 @ 90:
I'll have what you're smoking.
solid @ 106:
Which, of course, is why Chimpy keeps playing his Executive Priviledge card at every opportunity.
donttouchmecauseimangry @ 120:
You mean that old piece of paper Chimpy keeps wiping his ass with???
ARRGGHHH.
Only a true patriot would have allegedly assisted our country.
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Curtilingus @ 1:
that was my first thought too.
There is NO SPINE just YES YES YES we can gaurantee our jobs again and the PIKE in the WH> loves us. ooooohhhhhaaaaahhhhh
like they have already done for the vaccine makers poisoning our children and profiting from it
This is pathetic!
As Americans Leapt to Their Deaths from the Twin Towers, George W. Bush sat cluelessly in a Florida Classroom, endangering the lives of the children around him, until his handlers could figure out what to do with him.
When a reporter asked if he knew what was going on in New York, Bush simply dismissed the question: "I'll talk about it later." He spent some more time in the classroom "as if he didn't have a care in the world...in the most relaxed manner imaginable."(Buzzflash)
So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack—did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op? No one knows the answer to that question. In fact, no one has even asked Bush about it. A journalist who said Bush was “flying around the country like a scared child, seeking refuge in his mother’s bed after having a nightmare” and another who said Bush “skedaddled” were fired. ( Washington Post)
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Leadership, is not leadership that fails when it matters most, Pelosi and Reid with all their supposedly experience and great leadership skills as we have been made to believe , have clearly failed us. Time to get younger energetic and visionary leadership in these positions or we will forever find ourselves in this position again. I am proposing Senator Feingold for senate majority leader and Rep. Jackson-Lee for speaker of the house, until Pelosi and Reid receive some serious challenge nothing will get better. Pelosi brags about how many bills she has passed, but what Pelosi did not mention is that majority of those bills will not become laws...so much for her leadership.
Uhhh...Pelosi and Reid are directly responsible for the Enabling Act of 2007 that they just passed so quickly so they could go on vacation. Reid ALLOWED the bill to come out of the toilet where it was born and Pelosi ALLOWED that bill (nay, FORCED that bill) out of the sewer that connects the House and Senate onto the floor of the House. If either or both of them had in any way opposed that bill, it would not have made it. Pelosi, in particular, could have offered up the Dem bill with its unacceptable language but with SOME protections and a passing nod to the 4th and 5th Amendments. Instead, she railroaded the Enabling Act of 2007 onto the floor and let it go.
Pelosi and Reid are part of the problem. They both had private meetings with Bush before the bill and, lo-and-behold! It turned out EXACTLY the way Bush wanted it to. They are the enemy, NOT among the good guys.
Our whole country has become a modern day Stasi museum
This man,who shouldn't even be running a kool-aid stand, needs more power? It's really,really hard to look at him without laughing, never mind knowing that he's the most powerful man in the world. Please,Impeach him . Now.
Congressional Quarterly has just reported that Senator Russ Feingold and Representative Maurice Hinchey have introduced censure resolutions aimed at Bush, Cheney, and Gonzalez.
But, as CQ reports, "[n]either the House nor the Senate is expected to take up the resolutions." Why?
According to CQ:
"Despite the clamor from the Democratic political base for the more drastic step of impeaching Bush, Cheney and Gonzales, Democratic congressional leaders have avoided making any moves that voters might see as a political vendetta."
Sounds to me that CQ got it backwards. It would've been more accurate to say:
Despite the clamor from
the Democratic political basevoters for the more drastic step of impeaching Bush, Cheney and Gonzales, Democratic congressional leaders have avoided making any moves thatvotersthe Democratice political base might see as a political vendetta.The absolutely pathetic collapse of the Democrats in both the House and the Senate in their stand against an illegal and immoral bill, just staggers the imagination...
I didn't think I could get angrier, but when I found out my Senator, Dianne Feinstein voted for it...my head exploded. Literally!-it's all over my walls!
I've emailed and called her offices, and any of you Californians should do the same: go to her home page if you want addresses and emails.
Feinstein Numbers
Northern California-Phone: (415) 393-0707
LA/SantaBarbara,Ventura-Phone: (310) 914-7300
San Diego-Phone: (619) 231-9712
Fresno/Valley-Phone: (559) 485-7430
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Wait.
There will be another boot dropping any minute now.
PreterJohn @ 109:
That's because they are too busy bending over and begging for more.
european and asian companies will have to assume that their executives are being wire-tapped. if someone on the terrorist watch list posted on c&l, you can expect all of your data to be checked also.
At what point are you people going to realize the Democrats aren't going to do a thing for anyone?!?!?!?! They're putting on a show while allowing this crap to happen right in front of your faces. THERE IS NO OPPOSITION. The passing of the wiretapping law should be a kick to the nuts of everyone who ever supported the democrats. And yet you all sit here and look to them to stop it the next time around? WAKE UP! The people need to put a stop to this, as it's damn obvious that it won't be the Democrats or the Republicans.
If the president is grabbing powers to undermine the rights of the citizens and wiretapping them, how about sending back those who hold dual citizens? They are not loyal to this country and should never hold office of the govt.
I apologize for being harsh; if the president wants to see order, he should first check who is holding dual citizenships in this country.
DEMOCRATIC PARTY: "Please don't accuse us of being weak on Terrorism, or pro-civil liberties, please."
PRESIDENT: "I'm giving you 10 seconds to capitulate or ....."
DEMOCRATIC PARTY: "Here you go, just don't hurt us."
If the president is grabbing powers to undermine the rights of the citizens and wiretapping them, how about sending back those who hold dual citizenship? They are not loyal to this country and should never hold office of the govt.
I apologize for being harsh; if the president wants to see order, he should first check who is holding dual citizenships in this country.
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It's the Give-'Em-What-They-Want Congress. Funny, I had to study a reference theory named that in library school. Now, librarians are among the few professionals who refuse to give Bush what he wants.
tyree @ 146:
jesus i was just saying what bush wanted!!!!!!!!!
myiq2xu @ 63:
Guess what? It is not your party, you only think it is your party the same way impoverished Southerners think the Republicans are "their party" even though the Repubs do nothing but abuse the poor and support the rich.
ti chi @ 37:
I am a (formerly) pimple faced IT guy and we have always been able to scan your emails and phone calls so that doesn't change anything for us.
Not that we ever would do anything like that :-)
Oh yeah the.... "MY PET GOAT".....heavy reader illegitimate President is at it again.
Executive exercising Presidential privilege of the telecom to join in the complicit of criminal action to spy on it's citizen. There are already thousands if not millions in the communication system that is a witness to this criminal act. Whistleblowers are already in place. It would be wise for the telecommunications to review their position. Do they want to participate in this conspiracies to violate civil liberties and the AMERICAN people perpetrated by these "already notorious" criminals in the WHITE HOUSE? Or do they want to join in preserving AMERICA as a free nation and a DEMOCRATIC system?
That is their freedom of choice.
STOCK PICK:
DUMP VERIZON and ATT.
This bill isn't all about more spying on Americans- LOOK. It's to protect - retroactively - the wingnuts who went along with spying on Americans by offering to NSA and all of the other spy agencies YOUR INFORMATION- FOR FREE and ILLEGALLY.
Hey Verizon and ATT - you broke the LAW. You were GWBush enablers. SUCK IT UP.
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