Open Thread: No national parks without a passport, bud.
By bluegal Wednesday Aug 15, 2007 10:30pm
CNN.com: Federal ID plan raises privacy concerns.
The cards would be mandatory for all "federal purposes," which include boarding an airplane or walking into a federal building, nuclear facility or national park, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the National Conference of State Legislatures last week. Citizens in states that don't comply with the new rules will have to use passports for federal purposes.
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This is ridiculous...those national parks belong to everyone.............
My Wisconsin embarrassment. :^(
> My Wisconsin embarrassment. :^(
At least you have the great Luke Ski. :-)
*sigh* The rescuers need to be rescued, too. Obama breaks down "experience".
Whole Foods is allowed to have a monopoly.
Fascists.
More bad craziness at the Crandall Canyon mine. Says at least one death among rescuers from another collapse.
Who is the contractor that's going to cash in on this one?
No way.....that's all tinfoil hat wearin conspiracy theorist stuff.
That's terrible news, Hazy. And we lost a life here in Houston from a roof collapse from our little tropical storm that just went through. But it's nothing in comparison the the Peruvian earthquake. And our occupation of Iraq.
National ID needed for all "federal purposes?" How long until the barcode tattoos?
RIP Max Roach
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070816/obit-roach/
This is different to an internal passport how?
internal passport - sorry.
As Nancy Reagan most profoundly taught you, please folks for the sake of your freedom and liberty, "just say no!"
Everything changed after 9/11. If we don't do this the terrorists will win. USA! USA! USA! OBEY
I can't tell you the last time there was a terrorist camping next to me in a National Park. Just a couple of bubbas and a 5th of whiskey.
"Let me see your papers."
Why don't they just get it over with and have tracking devices implanted in to all of us. Make it much easier for those satellites to track our movements and eavesdrop on us. No more babysteps facists; it's time to make the U.S. in to the image of a WWII movie where we have the secret police roaming the land asking us for our papers.
Once again I'm left shaking my head and wondering what's happened to this country. Constantly giving up freedoms for the sake of protecting us from phantom attacks isn't the way to live our lives. For the Republicans a simple question, if you're so tough why are you always so afraid?
Peoples Front of Judea @ 11:
Forget that. They can be altered. Next up will be RFID chips inplanted in your brain.
Implanted.* Hope y'all read typo. ;)
> As Nancy Reagan most profoundly taught you, please folks for the sake of your freedom and liberty, “just say no!”
And indeed I learned the lesson well from Nancy Reagan. I just say "no" to people that say to say no to drugs. :-)
I mean, when I get a headache, I just take Asperin!!!! ;-)
Anyone want to talk about physics? An exact science! No theories to it, just math and facts!
I've got a potential entry for open threads. It's Lewis Black's take on conservapedia and qtube (fake youtube).
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CJEeyLeqJHc
Sounds like such a proposal would suit the voter disenfranchisement movement's interests beautifully.
No "Real ID": no voting in presidential elections.
papers. Papers! Surrender your papers or you will be shot!!!
*sigh* Welcome to the Neo-Con World.
It's time to switch from opposition to resistance. Get out if you can. Stay and fight if you can. Freedom will triumph, it always does, "after we torture the prisoners".
I'm all for the plan.
I've been living in fear that terrorists would fill the Grand Canyon with kitty litter and stuff a giant cork into Old Faithful.
Tequila @ 5:
Time to start a garden, I see. Enough is enough.
By the way, don't you just love that the Mine Safety Czar was another one of Bush's recess appointments? Gosh, one might think that Congressional Approval of an office like this would be important to the health and safety of mine workers and rescuers alike.
As if one couldn't print these so-called "freedom passes."
chimpy just made a whole new underground market.
Watch, these cards will incorporate, a phone, atm, medical and various other needs in ones everyday life.
Probably it would be used as a ration card when the bottom falls out of the economy.
In other news: US to Label Iranian Revolutionary Guard as Terrorist
The Revolutionary Guard would be the first national military branch included on the list, U.S. officials said -- a highly unusual move because it is part of a government, rather than a typical non-state terrorist organization.
The shit is starting.
lafin gas @ 22:
A body in motion tends to stay in motion, a body at rest tends to stay at rest.
The originator of the pic needs to change it slightly. Senselessbrenner is in the House, not the Senate. Anyone remember Senselesbrenner coming in and shutting down a House Judiciary when he was the chair? It's really gratifying seeing that anti-democratic son of a bitch relegated to the minority party.
GonzoD @ 12:
Oh my God! RIP
Remember the old black and white movies from the fifties. The SS officer stops you on the street, knocks on your door in the middle of the night, boards the train and demands your papers. Is that what is coming?
I take it that national ID is 'better' in the neo-cons' eyes because then law enforcement officers will know who's a citizen and who's not, who's legally in the country and who's not etc.. Well, if that's the case, then why not just give law enforcement agencies access to the INS's database instead? They already have access to the NCIC which is maintained by the FBI for warrants checks and missing persons.
LibertyLover @ 30:
chimpy and his gang don't care about safety; look how he treat our troops.
fuck that fashist creep that god damned zombie
thanks to the republicans/neocons, we have lost the War on TeRRoRR .
Listen closely , you can hear bin Laden cackling Crypt-keeper style.
The underfunded National Park Service is already busy dealing with forestry corporations who exploit the forests at taxpayer expense. Now they'll be expected to be security guards checking passes like some minimum wage teen working at a movie theater? Another policy failure for the Bush regime.
I think this is a wonderful idea - yup, I do. I think it should be MANDATORY for all American citizens to have a passport. You betcha, absolutely.
Makes it a whole lot easier to leave the country if you do have one.
Forget the USSR. Thanks to effective technology we're better and we know all --- oh yes.
Count down for eviction has begun, let's see if the Democrats will do better when they take over. Keep them honest http://www.YouPolls.com
Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious.
LibertyLover @ 32:
What happens when a body in motion collides with a body at rest?
All this is being done deliberately and with a grand plan. Sheesh, I hope some of you guys (and gals) are getting ready for it. Otherwise....
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 31:
They've been a threat since their inception. Why label them as terrorists *now* though?
> ... Why label them as terrorists *now* though?
As a "red-herring". He has alot to distract from.
Welcome to the police state. Sacrifice your privacy to have your security covered by incompetents and scoundrels.
I would really love to see C&L post this excellent video of Dennis Kucinich...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKsuzoDalI
Listen to what he says about the DLC. He is so right! He does an excellent job on all the points and I hope more people start supporting him and ignore the media favorites.
let them mess with it, middle america doesn't understand three trillion on the war, they don't understand owing our financial existence to china, but they do understand a .05 tax on gasoline per gallon. they don't understand all the hubbub about homeland security, they don't understand the big deal about wire tapping, they don't understand this scandal with jeff gannon and his hundreds of visits to the white house late at night, but they will understand the first time they pack up the trailer and head for jellystone and can't get in unless they have a passport or security clearance. forgive them for they know not what they wrought. has rove left already????
911 changed everything.
It allowed the GOP to turn America into a big brother fascist state.
lafin gas @ 44:
Why, as you well know, the energy from the body in motion is transfered to the body at rest --- sending in into motion.
LibertyLover @ 53:
Like when Dick Cheney's buckshot collided with the face of that old lawyer sending his once still body in motion to the ground.
when will you say enough is enough?
LibertyLover @ 53:
Not necessarily, many other factors can come into play. Does the moon move out of it’s orbit when hit by a meteorite?
What is the purpose of these national ID cards? Probably so they can contract out to some private corporations and find more ways to WASTE our MONEY! God damn them.
Only a few states are fighting this. We are so fucked.
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xargaw @ 35:
That's where the GOP wants to take us. Back to the good old Eisenhower days of the 1950's with metal dashboard cars that would knock out your front teeth when you slammed on the brakes, barefoot and pregnant homemaker wives that kept quiet when their husbands spoke lest they got their teeth knocked out, back when negros knew their places at the back of the bus, and the only denotation of the word gay anyone knew meant "happy".
Ah, the good old Jessie Helms and Strom Thurmond days of yesteryear!
alex jones will likely have a larger than normal conniption tomorrow...
Id chips inserted under the skin are next.
Sieg Heil!
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 34:
I learned to play drums by "trying" to play along with his "records"..... old skool :^(
timmm @ 60:
WTF is that supposed to mean?
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Bush the Liar @ 61:
Brought to you by Locutus of Borg. Resistance is futile.
Re: real ID..... give me liberty or give me death you neocon mutherfuckers!
AConfederacyofDunces @ 63:
It means the guy has conniptions. Comprendes?
If National Parks, why not (Federal) Interstate Highways?
When they can identify and prosecute efficiently, their laws will become arbitrary.
timmm @ 66:
Don't parse, what is your point?
We're going to start showing papers? They're worried that the IslamoFASCISTS are going to take over, but they don't mind run-of-the-mill secular/Christo-fascism?
No more
We have prevailed for over 200 years without these assholes. why ? do we need them now? We don't. More presumptio of terror but no factual evidence. Maybe we need to incarcerate those who incite fear and this form of terrrorist action then we could put the whole lot of them in Prison. And lets make it for a term at least 25 years then they can't spend their pensions.
Oh yeah they are all in on it. Repubs and Demos. The Demos are complicit with the Bush admin in this as it benefits their future plans against us all. Divide and conquer is not Demo/Repub It is the elitist against the rest of US. And only Elitist are running for political office. Get it?
AConfederacyofDunces @ 69:
My point is that while Alex Jones presents semi-critical perspectives with regard to the erosion of our liberties, etc., he is prone to having fits on the air. IMO, he might comport himself better; he'd have better shows. Like today, he blared his megaphone siren for a good 15 plus seconds and then screamed and yelled through the remainder of the show. Who wants to listen to that shit?
I take it that you are a fan?
I miss the America I grew up in.
From the same people who misplaced $9 Billion dollars, 190 AK-47s and Pistols, 100,000 barrels of Iraqi oil daily for the last four years...
And you thought FedEx and UPS were bad!
Stanley Rosenthal @ 10:
In comparison. Hits home with the wife, though. Overheard from the republican (groom's) contingent at her sister's wedding, (snidely) "looks like they managed to wash the coal dust offa them." Their grandfather was killed by a coal mining accident, so maybe I'm just echoing her stuff. I don't really know what I am trying to get at here
These boss-types bitch and complain and moan about every regulation, then fix the game so they don't have to adhere to anything. It ends up with a big hellhole sucking people in and killing them, just like everything else they touch.
Cowards. Gutless cowards. I prefer Islam neighbors or even Christian neighbors than this. Lock up America.
You Vietnam Vets . Is this what you fought for? Let your voice be heard.
timmm @ 72:
"Fan"? No.
I do think he makes valid points about important matters. You're right, though, he hurts his cause.
My cause? This ain't the country I thought I grew up in. Rage may well be a 'normal' response.
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OK never mind, my point is the truth is out there if you really want to find it! GNA!
> In comparison. Hits home with the wife, though. ...
I'm certain that whomever that died here in Houston's loved ones don't think it's nothing either. Unfortunatly, apparently there are a million stories like that in Iraq (except in Iraq's case, we didn't have to go in there and cause over a million deaths.) Each story I'm certain hits "home" with certain people.
lafin gas @ 56:
Good point. I guess I was rather thinking of something the same relative size and shape... but then, we would have to talk about acceleration and mass. and you're right... too many other variables...
GNA!
AConfederacyofDunces @ 78:
I've downloaded some his podcasts lately and have actually liked some of his guests, and so I keep going back for more. And Alex does make good points here and there.
But there are things that he is somewhat naive about too - for example, his nativist rhetoric about illegal aliens. Anyone who knows history understands why wave upon wave of Mexican nationals have come north - the WTO obliterating the Mexican economy. Rather than cutting these people some slack and attacking the 'new world order', Alex fans hatred. Typical authoritative, libertarian sentiment absent the critical perspective necessary for people to understand 'our common cause.'
Gee, and they absolutely promise there won't be a federal database made with this information. Chertoff also promises CNN that they won't really use it for surveillance. All us good, law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear. I mean, other than th' terrists and, as time goes on, the good judgement of our elected officials.
For today's cookie, can anyone in this crowd name three other things DHS and this administration have promised us and not delivered on? It's chocolate chip.
It's getting harder and harder for me to look like a kooky conspiracy theorist, now that everyone is starting to freaking agree with me.
Intrepid @ 84:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just move on over. Com'in on board the conspiracy bus.
Watched some recent 9-11 documentaries, and was convinced that there were some things that just don't make sense, e.g. video of molten metal spewing from the towers, building 7 being "pulled' down so soon, NORAD not taking any action, evidence being destroy. These things raise questions that deserve answers.
Stan,
All avoidable, 1 or 1 million. One (now two) more guys for Murray's bank account or 1 million Iraquis to prop the economy. We were into a major recession, the all of a sudden we were "at war." Now the markets are tanking again. Maybe a million from Iran to give Jenna a nice ostentatious wedding.
There is such a thing that is illegal, titled conspracy. Usually it conspiracy to obstruct justice. It only takes (at least) 2 to conspiricy.
Hazy, it's a nice day, for a white wedding. (-:
oops, I made an emoticon mistake, I was trying to frown. :-(
Biggus Diggus @ 8:
Who else? You can't read this online, but LexisNexis has it:
"The sabra approach to preventing a new 9/11"
BYLINE: Sam Ser, Jerusalem Post, September 8, 2006, Friday
SECTION: FEATURES; Pg. 14
LENGTH: 2051 words
Israeli security companies couldn't get elected before 9/11. Now the owners are multi-multi-millionaires (with US susbsidiaries to cover their asses) because they've convinced Americans to be terrified of every aspect of living and they've waltzed in with the systems to protect us from it all, US Constitution be damned, fuck privacy. The RealID card system has an Israeli-designed database behind it. No one is demanding that someone prove there are no backdoors in these operations. Because Americans are trained seals when it comes to any discussion of Israeli involvement in US govt, telephony, communications, or security, these questions will never get asked. Industrial espionage of US companies will continue unabated. If someone can track when a senior Apple product manager in charge of a new product line is hightailing it to Taiwan, and can tell from credit card receipts and phone records who he's meeting, alot of money can be made in the market. Ditto every serious US corporation. And . . . AND . . . that info can be sold to international competitors for astronomical prices.
One of these days Americans might wake up to the real subterfuge going on here, but I doubt it. They're stuck on stupid. If they can still believe that Iraq had WMD and nuclear weapons, and kerosene can melt 45 1/5-mile lengths of 4-in thick UL-certified steel in less than an hour, they'll believe anything.
Check out this fear-mongering:
Suspect Detection Systems
Statement by Rafi Ron to the Senate Committee
USA Today
timmm @ 72:
I couldn't agree more. He has an annoying voice. You want to tell him to clear it. He yells, talks over his guests, I can't listen to him.
w.smith @ 43:
That is the point at which you can never, ever be owned by another human being again.
We need 240 million individual rebellions. Then we will have a healthy society.
I just can't believe Skeletor just gets his way on this one. I don't believe states are going to take this lying down. I for one refuse to cooperate FUCK THEM.
However my son gets a passport (to get him out of here) in the very near future.
Isn't anyone going to resist this? It's pure crap to steal elections in new ways and CONDITION YOU AND ME TO ROLL OVER. Are you really going to go with this? What a HUGE mistake to cooperate. I'll give up my bank account first. If this means distancing ourselves from our need for certain conveniences, I'll do without.
Papers. Don't forget your papers...
RIP Max Roach
Ah... here's something to keep my hat looking nice and shiny...
FEMA cares about you, and they don't want you to stress. In the event of a staged atta... err... I mean, in the event of a national emergency, if a state of martial law is declared, FEMA has a plan. A plan to quell dissent, that is. Specifically, this report shows how the nation's clergy will be used to quell any insurgency or uprising by the silly US people who are delusional (i.e. people who insist on their "rights" or who don't like being "relocated" to happy government fun camps). And yes, it's real. This is a news report. The news report is found here:
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987
And the video is found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BtWhs8qlg
I told you two years ago. The famous CAC card. They're about to pull it off. Then again...that's normal procedure in Europe.
In France, if you move to a new address and you report within 15 days, you get Euros 500 fine.
But in America, mass citizen control has another taste. I just don't like it! It's nefarious! And I don't even know what this word means. Just to show how bad it is.
The CAC card. Your whole life story is there. I've been using it for the last 4 8 years. It's one of Cheney's friends mastermind. You see, terror = fear = security = lots of money = Black Water. I've been thinking about it for a while. Fear is everywhere. Therefore security is needed everywhere. Time to make money.
*8 years.
Is this the national ID card they said they were going for in 5-08? Our driver's licenses expiring? I don't understand this passivity!
Intrepid @ 97:
Do they REALLY think everybody's going for the RELIGIOUS CRAPOLA? Oh, come now.
Not a peep out of the senate or congress? Skeletor is regarded with as much credibility as the kid who threw spitballs at you through a straw in the 3rd grade.
All things in time. Hopefully our precious childrens children will be allowed to have the chip implant. I pray for safety for all. No immigrants, no wars, no anti, no violence!
First we must contcinue to remove those pesky guns, then we can move into other things. Gun dealers are 20% of 6 years ago. We have them on the run. A partial victory many are very proud of and rightfully so but, keep pushing.
Only Government needs guns. People who will not obey must be removed from society and counseled into compliance. I'll feel safer, more secure, less afraid.
If the price THEY have to pay is a national I.D. so be it.
The passivity is scaring me more than the ID card. Nite. Sweet dreams.
You wanted gun control. You were scared. Be scared now. Oops "they" gotcha.
National Parks? What, the expect Specter to drill a hole in Mt. St. Helens and plant a nuclear bomb in it? Jeez, if we just hired James Bond, we wouldn't need to do this.
Read the CNN article. It says only a handful of states are ACCEPTING this imposition.
Thank god mine is among those who are not.
Jerkoff is flashing a bit of gristley thigh by threatening those states not going with this can't function with the feds (money). STATES it's our chance to pull away from the feds!
It's a GOLDEN MOMENT.
Then again, I think what will REALLY happen here is that Jerkoff will be booed offstage within a year. Mark my words.
"And all the other animals accepted the rules the pigs set"................
The GOP SEXUAL hypocrites of the week:
http://gophypocrites.com/2007/08/hyp07033.html
just posted a link to a shocking vid over in the comments section for the soldier suicide story. (do not miss it!) got another great one for you.
bill moyers on the legacy of karl rove:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmwdevPRycY
it's everything you wish you could see on your nightly news. it's got like, facts & shit!
Karl Rove's new job:
http://pabloonpolitics.com/rovesjob.htm
GonzoD @ 107:
Not gonna happen.
crazylove @ 111:
I certainly hope not!!
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P A P E R S
P L E A S E
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Global warming killed more people this year.
finding the filth @ 109:
Great link! Thanks!
We already have SSNs, drivers licenses, Selective Service crap, dog tags in the military, marriage licenses and even when we die we get a little certificate for that.
Enough already.
The neo-con fear mongers just love this type of stuff.
I thought the Republicans were more about LESS government and less intrusiveness.
Good News!!!
USA Today: Fencing is on the upswing across Iraq, according to Ali A. Nabhan, who writes a piece on the resurgent popularity of the sport.
Dear Commander Chertoff,
I'm in Shanghai at the moment, but I'm a US Citizen.
I plan on taking a crap in the next 30 minutes
Do I need permission, or should I just head to the consulate and crap there?
Do I need the NSA to monitor this event, no matter where happens?
I'm so frightened, I need guidance.
Reality check, this is gonna take generations to straighten out, Dubya has fucked everything with his be afraid planet view.
Barry
Iraqi women prostituting themselves to feed their children:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/15/iraq.prostitution/index.html
Haven't the Repubs done enough to these people already?
Bush must think we're stupid to tell us the threat to democracy originates from the Middle East, when he shows so much contempt for OUR Constitution. Bush, Cheney, Gonzo, & Rove are the enemies of human rights, liberty, & the Constitution. I will not hold any fascist papers to visit the beauty that God has provided for all to enjoy.
"If National Parks, why not (Federal) Interstate Highways?"
Don't give them any ideas! As insane as it sounds, their plan would seem to have to include such roads. Maybe that's good beause it would clearly demonstrate to even the dimmest individual just how insane this whole thing is.
I assume it would also include Post Offices. Will we need to show this thing to buy a roll of stamps?!
Chertoff says states that don't comply will not be allowed to have their licenses used for federal purposes. Suppose you live in one of those states and get arrested. How can you get into the Federal Courthouse without the Real ID for your trial??
Richten Sie aus und zeigen Sie Ihre Papiere!
max roach.
thank you for the music.
rest in peace.
yer the man.
Chertoff is creating Nazi Soviet America,,,,,,,,
[...] Crooks and Liars, and [...]
Arctic sea ice at a record low!
One more time, and the sea ice guy, well come to Alaska and talk about it.
Ansel Adams would not be happy.
lafin gas @ 44:
If they do it over and over again in the span of 10 minutes, you get a child...
Barry from Alaska @ 118:
Be like Bush. Crap into a box and take it with you when you leave the country. Urine too.
And WE are supposed to be the paranoid ones...
Be like Bush. Crap into a box and take it with you when you leave the country. Urine too.
And WE are supposed to be the paranoid ones…
Errr....
I live in Alaska... why would I want to carry my crap and urine back home with me?
Just asking.
Oh wait, the Be like Bush part, .. . cover the coke trail, got it.
Thanks.
I did some work in Ohio, and under a Grant, the clients were receiving aid from their local government to pay me for my services. Since I was to be paid by the government, I was sent this for me to fill out before being paid.
http://www.homelandsecurity.ohio.gov/dma_terrorist/HLS%200037%20Public%20Employment%202-06.pdf"Any answer of "yes" to any question, or the failure to answer "no" on this declaration shall serve as a disclosure that material assistance to an organization identified on the US Department of State Terrorist Exclusion List has been provided."
Apparently I either sign it and swear that I've never helped, aided, or tried to join a terrorist organization, or I don't get paid, ...and probably get spied on by my government.
Not being welcome in BushCo America is getting to be less of a problem for me everyday. I think im somewhere between happy and delirious at moment and rising.Now if the US could only go back to isolationism ? Make the rest of the planet happy as fucking clams. I think declining tourism in US already reflects that sentiment though.
I think were kidding ourselves if we think we won't be forced to have this just to walk the streets. Martial law is coming and there isn't a whole lot we can do about it except have food and guns to protect ourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BtWhs8qlg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Epriso...
lafin gas @ 44:
This is what happens!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JkDjYp2Jok
description of a "whoosie" a spineless coward. another apt description: after the dems achieve the office in the next national election they do not rescind this or the hundred other laws that were put into effect to protect our borders and to "fight terrorism," rather they allow the laws to continue lest the heartland get the idea that they are soft on terror. that my friends will be the bush legacy. all right dems, listen to the constituency that got you there.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070814_hillary_pushes_the_button/
timmm @ 117:
The ones taking up fencing probably don't have any guns and want to learn a way to defend themselves with a blade.
The Philadelphia Daily News' befudled Stu "Another 9/11 Would Be Helpful" Bykofsky gets OWNED by Scott Horton. Listen to this delicious interview smackdown:
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2007/08/15/scott-horton-takes-on-stu-bykofsky/
Vel-com to de Unided Shtahts ov Ahmerika. Show me your papers!
Everyone should see Aaron Russo's AMERICA Freedom to Fascism. It is a film that you should encourage others to see. It's time to wake up Americans.
Everyone should watch Aaron Russo's AMERICA Freedom to Fascism. We should have known this was coming. It's time to wake up America.
I've had a red-hot flame under a sliver of steel for a year now in my room. It hasn't melted it yet. Why isn't it working?
Bush Bites @ 119:
Didn't you get the memo from Cheney and Murdoch? - it said 19 Iraqis flew planes into the world trade center. We're fighting the Iraqis over there so we don't have to fight them here. It also informs us Osama Bin Laden has morphed into an Iranian-based Shiite who will cause the next staged atta...er "catastrophic emergency", at which time we will really NEED Cheney and Bush to take charge under the new Presidential Directive. This will ensure that our transparent constitutional government will continue to operate smoothly.
In order to really be safe we have to invade Iran. We're invading Iran to kill off Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda.
It should all make sense now. Stand still now while we scan your retina and get a DNA sample.
Feel safer yet?
Fed just dropped rates.
Fat-cats get a bailout, you and me get higher inflation. The risk-takers made wads of $$$ for years and one week of 'crisis' in the market and this administration bends over. Total bullshit.
Bush Bites @ 119:
this woman deserves respect however the repigs who deserve to be sumarily snuffed out are prostituts of the worst kind they not only screw the american people they give the worst head you can imagine ,their teeth rakers, may the gods of war throw them into the fires of hell,
Watch out for a DHS terrorist attack that happens to include 1 or a few, or maybe all of the states that don't comply with Real ID. Please find a progressive candidate that will demand that all of these "War on terror" bills be repealed. None of the current candidates will, though they may say they will, as once they have power, they won't want, or be permitted, to let these intrusive laws to be eradicated.
Nobody Asked Me, But...
I thought neo-cons were supposed to be patriots? President For Life?
This makes me think of a scene in Hunt for Red October (movie version) where defecting officers Ramius and Borodin are chatting during a (rare) idle moment:
Borodin: "[...] And I will buy a pickup truck... or a recreational vehicle... and drive state to state. Do they let you do that?"
Ramius: "Oh yes."
Borodin: "No papers?"
Ramius: "No papers. State to state."
Poor Borodin will never see Montana at this rate.
Bananaphone @ 105:
Naw. They would just "out him" as a Secret Agent and it would be all over.
If only republican mothers were as careful with what entered their wombs.
the junta has the rightie bloggers sell their Stasi the board game version of American life under guise of "security mom" We won't be able to do anything without "your papers please" at every street corner
The Homeland Security Dept. needs to be abolished. I this agency will only tack on more and more rules meant to protect us. That is its main purpose for existence. While the intention is good, it will lead to a more and more fascist government structure. My humble yet ominous prediction of the future.
I support a national I.D. card. This, of course, is just a do-it-on-the-cheap end run. I would join an uprising to refuse an I.D. card with an electronic tracking chip.
The I.D. cards plus a new law requiring jailing of employers who hire undocumented workers would go a long way to raising wages and job opportunities for U.S. workers. Combine that with paid repatriation for undocumented workers and well-paid seasonal guest worker programs for agriculture and other employment that needs the additional labor at certain times of the year.
America: land of the free-ish.
sharkcellar @ 2:
I'm another Wisconsinite who agrees with you on this point. However, did you notice someone gave ol' Tex a "promotion?"
He's a Representative, not a Senator.
OOPS! ;-)
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