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Frist?
Frist.
Yeah, too bad Kucinich isn't a "serious" candidate.
Al Gore did pretty well for a guy who isn't running!
No doubt the comment thread that follows will belittle and mock Dennis Kucinich's campaign. Before you do that, though, you might want to visit the campaign's web site and spend some time reading exactly what it is that the man stands for and wants to do. You might be surprised.
http://www.dennis4president.com/home/
Kucinich rocks. I'm not even considering the first tier.
Oh yeah, f the tier crap btw.
Awesome!
America is bucking the CFR shills!
Paul/Kucinich 08
Dennis Kucinich is the only true candidate out there.
He's got my vote!
QuakerDave @ 4:
I haven't seen a lot of that here, QD. Just sayin'. Oh, and congratulations on the frist.
I like Kucinich. But let's face it, the guy's a little too "excited". He's got good points, but his head-in-the-clouds world view doesn't seem suited for the current conflict we've got in this country thanks to Bush and the Republicans. The Democrats need someone with the drive and the muscle to get down and dirty with the Right-Wing fanatics. Kerry might have won, except for the fact that he was too polite and non-confrontational. I see Kucinich in the same light.
If Kucinich managed to win, there's a good chance that disillusionment would follow when he's faced with the disparity between what he wants to accomplish and what he can accomplish.
the big boys don't like Dennis the mennace. He stands for america not corporate greed.
JasonS @ 2:
Ron Paul isn't considered a serious candidate, but the tone he's set has helped shape the GOP race.
I feel the similarly about DK, except that I actually agree with his stance on many of the issues. And his presence as a Democratic candidate is a refreshing change from the "nuance" of the other candidates. So far, he's got my support.
JasonS @ 2:
That the whole point on this Poll, is that he is not even getting the coverage as do other candidate on the media, and yet he cream the other as the choice that Democrats have chosen.
JasonS @ 2:
He is the only candidate serious about actually being for and helping the American people. Unlike all the rest that are just corporate whores, and will do whatever the highest paying bidder wants.
Which means of course, doodly-squat.
Kucinich is solid as a rock. He makes more sense than the rest of the other contenders combined.
Its interesting that the head in the cloud candidate are the one that have pulled the highest votes. Obama isn't running on the fear platform, just as Kucinich is not doing. I think the head in the sand candidate just isn't hacking it anymore.
Kucinich vs Paul in 08. Let the revolution begin!
Kucinich would the next Teddy Roosevelt
There was some vote stuffing here. For a long time, Obama was named the winner and Kucinich wasn't even close in the number of votes.
Any guy who looks like him and has a beautiful wife like he does must be somebody special. A great leader only comes around once in awile and he is it.
What all y'all seem to be forgetting is the media has decided we must choose from either Obama or Clinton. Now don't be upsetting our American democratic process by actually supporting the candidate you want.
You know, as much as I like Ron Paul's anti-establishment type of campaign, I won't lie that I am troubled by his policy positions. The man wants to basically gut the government. I do understand his Libertarian tendencies and he is a Libertarian candidate running as a Republican but still, I think people are too caught up over his hype and his anti-Iraq statements to truly consider his policies. Now don't get me wrong, I think that we should seriously look at all of our programs and figure out what's working and what's not working but to completely eliminate departments is a bit frightening.
QuakerDave @ 4:
While I like his ideas, I question how many of them would stand a snowball's chance in hell if he were elected. I don't mean to poo-poo him. I think the top-down approach of change (i.e. trying to start in Washington D.C.) will never work. I wish there was a candiate for local office here in CA that I could agree with as much as I do Kucinich. Grass-roots do not change tree tops first.
Although to keep it topical, I do really like Kucinich as a candidate and as a politician. I think he would be great for our country and I think if he was able to make such a splash at this ABC News debate, I think he may have a legitimate chance this time.
Kucinich IS the only viable canidate running for the office.
1,394 a decent showing for the metally challenged vote.
he has my vote too. we need him, but unfortunately it's all one big popularity contest and not about what matters. this chart really shows how he differs from the pack.
http://flickr.com/photos/kentbye/868063604/
I lived several streets away from DKs house.I also had my first paying job,at a buffet when he was a City Councilman.He is real.And the only candidate who doesent make me gag when he talks.Go home town boy!
Brian @ 23:
I'm all in favor of abolishing the Fed and the IRS. What else is RP against? I think we need more restrictions on the Pentagon, more checks and balances on its powers. And get the lobbyists out of DC.
A law should be passed that makes it illegal for lobbyists to go inside the beltway. Put checkpoints on I-495 if we have to,/snark
First off, NO Ron Paul (supporters of his have been protesting screenings of "Sicko" because he favors complete privatization of medical care...where has that gotten us with HMOs? That's totally nuts, in my opinion). He's a total libertarian, which I know appeals to those out there with social issues in mind, understandably. But libertarianism is simply the extension of what Bush/Cheney have been doing in the last several years anyway, attempting to privatize Social Security, medical care, et al. Paul supporters should seriously check out the interview by an author who chronicled the absolute disastrous private takeover of the water supply in a CA city on democracynow.org. In pockets of areas where private enterprise took over public good works like water supplies and public education, from Baltimore to San Diego, the results have been catastrophic.
Second, I'm glad that Kucinich won this debate, as I'm really p.o.'d with people like John Aravosis of Americablog being elitist enough to want to keep Kucinich and those "who don't have a chance" out of the debates.
Not a single primary vote has been taken. Let American voters decide who they want in office, not the government and not bloggers who think they know better than the rest of us.
yeeeehaaaaa kucinich 08
The New York Times has decided that Kucinich isn’t a candidate. He doesn’t exist.
He has been disappeared.
Dennis Kucinich: Desapparacido! by Dave Lindorff
http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&...
He won cause he tells the truth, and doesn't pander. Some people actually respect and like that. I know it's a novelty, but he seems to be for real.
I'll vote for him, even if it means a Republican will ultimately win.
I'm tired of voting for second best, who always turn out to be no different than Republican assholes.
Let's not forget Bill Clinton signed the hateful DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT, as well as the discriminatory DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL policy.
The ABC debate again gave unfair advantage to the "first tier" candidates.
All candidtates should be given equal opprtunity in this kind of forum to make their case to the public.
Dennis Kucinich is consistently more right on more issues than anyone else. He is also more honest and straightforward than any of the others. He doesn't parse his answers to obsure his position.
He has one several of these debates.
JasonS @ 2:
ok so why not? just because the establishment says so , jesus they dont want honesty in government! the journey of a thousand miles starts with one step!
Dennis is marginalized by the corporate media because their owners (GE etc) know if he is elected their place at the "weapons bonanza" taxpayer feeding troth will end.
Uh oh, looks like it's time to bring out the fear the vegan propaganda.
Should be easier than what was done to Dean.
And despite this poll, the MSM will say that Hillary won the debate. Why is she being anointed as the Democratic candidate? Why aren't there any critical analysis of her positions? It seems to me that she is being given a pass.
He's going to take not only our meat, but our cheese away from us!
Ironically, he was called on the least.
Go Denis!
"Yeah, too bad Kucinich isn’t a 'serious' candidate."
Are you familiar with the term "self-fulfilling prophecy"?
"Any guy who looks like him and has a beautiful wife like he does must be somebody special."
Like Fred Thompson?
SteamRanger @ 10:
Kucinich is the only congressman who introduced articles of impeachment against Dick Cheney. He is the only one who didn't let fear change his position with regard to the war in Iraq, voting against every single funding bill. I think you are mistaken that he doesn't have the drive and muscle -- he is the only one who does.
Kucinich?
"Can't have that!" -- ABC, CBS, NBC, DLC, DNCC, CFR, IBM, GMC, ADHD
the corporatocracy will stoop to nothing to keep candidates like kucinich out of the white house.
but kucinich is clearly the one candidate that i wouldn't have to hold my nose and vote for. honesty, integrity, action and ideas. and the corporate media, essentially, shuns him. the MSM is afraid of people--unlike nearly all of the other candidates--that would really put people before corporations. kucinich would do this, and it scares the bejesus out of the imperial protectorate.
Solid proof that online voting does not represent the general population.
Ben @ 19:
No. With the imminent economic melt-down, Dennis Kucinich is our generation's FDR. And thank God for him. Now...get busy watching his back and sweeping him into power.
ecotopian @ 39:
I don't know but I sure as hell wish they would stop it.
I think the repubs want her to be the nominee, bad, reeeall bad, if you ask me. I'm very suspicious of the Hillary saturation and also the inexplicably rabid attacks on Edwards from the right which, to me, is an indication who they're really scared of. Well, they and the msm have done a damn good job of trying to eliminate him from the race.
I am sick to death of Hillary vs. Obama. Every time I hear it, I switch channels.
ecotopian @ 39:
THe rightwing, including churches, are calling her a socialist. That ought to get out the vote.
The democrats can pretend that they're progressive--wow, the U.S. is so advanced, that a WOMAN is running for president. Americans won't even know that this is not special.
And if she wins, she can be counted on to continue the playbook that's been going on for the last 20 years or so.
Estan @ 7:
Ron Paul is a nut job, he was on NPR the other day and sounded like a complete wack-o.
He's number one for me. The only candidate to vote against the war from the beginning, a truly independent voice within the Dem party. His loyalty to the people and his fearlessness to speak his mind place him in a category we haven't seen in a long time- an honest politician. While the others speak in cliches and poli-speak, Dennis gives it straight. No wonder that he is portrayed as off-center. He is. When we, the voters, finally realize that we won't get change unless we institute it now, all of these baseless fears of his capacity to lead will fall away and land on the centrist candidates who don't take us seriously. The existing candidates have no clue how to get us out of the Bush/Cheney quagmire. They all want to work within the system which has brought us to this crisis. The same system of all preceding politicos and presidents. After all it is a gov't. of the people and it's time that we, the people, find our voice instead of listening to the voices of those who profit from the system. (pundits,"news" reporters, political analysts, lobbyists, political hacks and lifetime elected officials)
i grant you it is irrational for kucinich to want america for americans to want free health care to get rid of lobbiests the wto nafta cafta ,to take this government back from the corporations whove sold our jobs to mexico and china ,been selling our highways to other countrys , get rid of that tax break for big oil and the rich whove been rapeing this countrys wealth from reagan to the bushes, reinstate the constitution give you back your freedoms the nazi bastards stoled from you , so what if it cant be done in one setting and maby it all cant be accomplished but if you dont look for some one like kucinich to do the job you got nothing the rest other then gravel run with the pack and corporations own them , kucinich may be our last hope dont throw it away a guy like kucinich comes along once in a life time, hes got my vote ,im not throwing my vote to candidates who will only be more of the same!
OK, that was an INTERNET poll. If "Stephen Colbert," "Chuck Noris," Or "Cmdr Taco" were options they would probably win that poll despite not setting foot behind a lectern.
As any web developer / site owner knows, internet polling results are often not representative of a the general population. They're representative of your site's demographic and, more importantly, the people who have been linked to your site via blogs / forums.
Things Have Gotten Better
I recall, during the first debate, Barack Obama winning over Hillary Clinton in every polling category for MSNBC's online poll. However, when it came time for the commentators to discuss who won the debate, they declared Hillary Clinton the hands down winner. Of course the one and only Chris Matthews was hosting the debate.
Since I started reporting this, and after pointing this bias out to MSNBC, they seem to have kept the poll open. In affect, you can still vote on this poll. This, I think, helps them to avoid being called on leaving the results of their own poll out of their decision making process.
Joseph
Doug @ 22:
Doug, you have hit the nail on the head. The MSM has already decided WHO they
favor(Hillary,Obama & Edwards) and the "talking heads" on most news reports(?) have
been giving "their" opinion that the results of the debate was a toss up between Hillary
and Obama...discounting totally the views/opinions of the citizenary...So, it is not you
and I who are counted, it's already been predetermined by the MSM who will be the
top two or three Dem candidates. MSM sucks..
Sadly, Kucinich doesn't have a chance.
SteamRanger @ 10:
Ummmm...too polite? Non-confrontational? WTF!? Who do you think introduced articles of Impeachment for Dick Cheney? Who is promising to tear up our NAFTA and WTO alliances and restore our affiliation with the Kyoto Treaty his first week in office (and he WILL do it - he learned from President Bush that you don't need any type of Congressional or Senatorial ratification to do these things (Presidential priveledge), as King George did by removing us from the Kyoto Treaty HIS first week in office). And let's not forget how Kucinich stood up to the banks and corporations in Cleveland and paid a huge political price for it, but he REFUSED to give in to their greedy demands! Do not begin to compare him with John Kerry! He is by FAR the ONLY candidate with any kind of courage and integrity, and he will NOT back down from any confrontation, ESPECIALLY any that is deemed unconstitutional.
Kucinich is absolutely the best candidate running.
ralph @ 11:
You have that one correct.
I will vote for Kucinich. He is the only candidate not owned by big PHARMA and other huge corporations!!!! He's taken no money from them. He has been straight down the line from the beginning. He has called for impeachment of Dick Cheney. He is a rarity in politics today. An honest, smart man who cares about this country more than he cares what the DNC or the DLC thinks. He knows the difference between right and wrong and isn't afraid of it.
He is a small man in stature but a huge man in integrity. He has my vote.
When will the Ron Paul trolls get their own site? Paul is like Ross Perot minus the money and the big ears. He's the kind of candidate that puts the loon in lunatic fringe.
Dennis Kucinich is a viable candidate, or would be if the media would quit proclaiming that the race is between Obama and Hillary.
Here's a radical idea for the media - Why not let the voters decide?
Does anyone notice that the traditional media always cite Hillary's lead in National Polls?
She has to win the primary first.
Does anyone have a reliable poll of likely caucus/primary constituents?
I love Dennis, but nonscientific online polls are worthless.
Will people understand, any day soon, how meaningless these online polls are? I think not. The supporters of X are all in touch by e-mail and website. They tell each other to go click on website Y. They all know tricks about how to vote multiple times. Their candidate "wins"!
Modern polling was born when the Liberty Magazine (mail in the card) poll in 1936 showed Alf Landon winning 70-30. The real results were predicted by Gallup: 60-40 Roosevelt.
Electronic vote machines will put a stop to Kucinich winning the Dem nomination. In case you haven't done ENOUGH research on e-vote machines, it's not a GOP vs. Dem thing, it's a corporate vs. non-corporate thing. They will make sure Kucinich is NOT the Dem nominee, or Gravel. If you think e-vote machines are hacked (they are), do you think they don't do it in the primaries? Are you STUPID??? The people running this country think, "IF...a Dem is president, we want to make sure Kucinich doesn't make it out of the primary."
They'll make sure Ron Paul isn't the GOP nominee, too!
Jim H @ 64:
Scientific no, meaningless also no.
At the very least they serve as photo, a teachable moment, a way to express support--unlike "real" elections.
I'm a Gallup partner, btw, and I don't believe in their scientific accuracy. After 1 questionnaire on politics--in which I was brutally critical of this administration--I am now asked stupid questions like which city I would like to visit or live, or what job I might like.
Could it be that people are finally starting to wake-up?
Time to put an end to the MSM telling the people who their candidate is.
Kucinich is the only candidate that has more than just "the same old shit" to offer.
He's got my vote!
Peace!
In my view, Kucinich has won every single debate so far this season and I believe that should be obvious to anyone, If you don't believe me, track them down on the Internet and watch them all. (wish i had suggestions where to find them though). It saddens me to think that a guy this smart and genuinely concerned about all the right things would be considered unelectable.
Estan @ 7:
LOL, Ron Paul policies are the exact opposite of Dennis Kuchinich! Looks like #7 is another uninformed voter (Thanks Mainstream Media)
Good Job Dennis!
Kucinich = the election of ANY Republican.
if you care about national healthcare and gay rights, Kucinich is the man!
Can this translate into party a nomination ----> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=366
baylaw73 @ 24:
Sorry, but Dennis does represent the grass roots movement.
Impeachment...
Healthcare...
Workers rights...
Diplomacy...
Education...
Womens rights...
Alt. energy...
Net neutrality...
Iraq occupation...
Equal rights for all...
Non aggression/PEACE!
Please take the political alignment test. http://www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php
Know who does match your views instead of trying to match theirs. You might be surprised.
remember how your local or state system functions in primary elections. you may not even get to see dennis' name on the final ballot. the local caucuses and delegate elections represent a voice. will it include yours? dennis is a dem and will, like all party candidates, depend on LOCAL support in party affairs. sometimes it isn't the popular vote that wins.
Freeped.
it's pretty obvious that kucinich is the best dem and ron paul the best repub...but neither will win. why? democracy died decades ago...now it's just a show...
Jimmy @ 30:
Ron Paul is for Abolishing the Fed, IRS, Public Schools, Police and Firedepartments, Social Security, Medicare, Labor Laws, Clean Air Acts, Environmental Regulations.
Basically he is an average republican. There is more at stake in the 2008 election then pulling the troops from Iraq, and I would not want to see any one of the above abolished as a compromise to withdrawl troops from Iraq. Besides, I am so poor, I don't even pay Income tax.
ha!
Carlos @ 63:
A long-shot winning an internet poll? What?!
Preposterous I say!
Now if you'll excuse me, I must leave to drive across Stephen Colbert Hid.
Freakaloin @ 78:
I disagree with the claim that democracy died decades ago. Democracy is alive an well in this and in most countries in the world. The problem you have is that people don't seem to give a damn about what is in their best interests! Stop claiming democracy is dead when the population votes counter to their best interests. That is just a sign of a stupid population.
pat @ 80:
Exactly. A poll like this is virtually meaningless (pun intended).
PNAAC Minister @ 82:
It just means a buncha Internet users like Kuchinich. Check out Internet Market penetration in this country and you will see how small of a fraction that population is compared to other industrialized countries. (yet another area the USA falls behind)
ChicagoKid @ 73:
If you care enough about Kucinich to actually vote for him, then national health care and
gay rights will in fact, NEVER happen.
Kucinich in 08.
Everyone else just looks like the same old crap to me. Kucinich has pazazz.
I dumped Hillary when she came to the HRC/Logo debate and told all the gay and lesbians that they are not worthy of equality and that they will have to wait many, many years, perhaps decades to even get close to equality. She said she is sorry, but that's the way it is.
Leaders lead. Hillary just accepts the status quo.
Face it, Hillary is a Republican, except she is worse! She can't even take a stand on any issues unless she has checked the wind.
Other than Gravel and Paul, Kucinich is the only candidate who wouldn't be a complete disaster.
Seele^ @ 81:
Agreed, democracy is NOT dead; but the VOTERS are. In third World countries, as high
as 60 to 80 percent of eligible voters go to the polls and cast their votes;under circumstances much, much worse than here as to numbers of polling places(accessibility)
whereas here in the U.S., voter turn-out in both the primaries and Gen. Elections have
not been above 49 percent of ALL those registered to vote. IF the citizenary of this
country got involved in the campaigns, got off their butts and went to the polls and voted in larger numbers then perhaps or maybe the "majority" would rule.
The big name candidates and their corporate sponsors would like everyone to believe that Dennis Kucinich can't possibly win, but I think with it is possible. He can stand toe to toe with any of these candidates and he needs to let people know, he isn't owned. His thoughts, his policies, his beliefs are his and not an ad campaign paid for by big money.
Kucinich isn't owned. That means a lot to me.
He is the only candidate to call for the impeachment of Dick Cheney.
He seems to me to be a good honest man who hasn't sold out to corporations or pacs.
Seele^ @ 81:
your are assuming elections aren't rigged. the ppl who killed kennedy are still in control if you ask me and they rig elections regularly. call it a hunch...
Big Dan @ 65:
I just don't want Hillary because she is Establishment. I don't dislike her, but she has become to affected by Washington politics.
I wish this weren't the case, but I have a strong feeling it is. It is the money makers and establishment that decide. People should be able to vote on any day (M-F) and all votes should be done by paper ballot. Also, all ballots should be counted at each of the polling precincts before leaving the building. Further, take the media out of the fiasco they create with their projections and pure B.S. commentary. There is nothing wrong with taking a whole week to count the votes. The main thing is to get it right. Electronic voting NEVER!
Why don't we Democrats nominate Joe Lieberman as Vice President like we did two elections ago? That was a smart move wasn't it? You know we have to have some balance? Good Lord! Hillary is this election's Joe Lieberman.
Kucinich is the only candidate that can move the country forward. The others are like treading water.
bushsuckcheney @ 8:
bncthor @ 16:
VitriolAndAngst @ 58:
Doug @ 22:
foolme1ns @ 60:
To paraphrase Rummy; "As you know, you have to go to the election with the candidate you have, not the candidate you want". I can't count the number of elections in which I have voted for the candidate that I thought might win over the candidate that I knew was the best. It never worked out. NO MORE! WE MUST REMAIN TRUE TO OUR CONVICTIONS OR WE WILL PAY THE PRICE. Last time we got Bush and Cheney, next time it may be Romney, Giulani or even worse, Thompson. Vote for the best, vote for Kucinich.
We need to continue to support and endorse Dennis Kucinich if we want any of the "top tier" to understand that they better drop their Republican ways and adopt some humanness and leadership to their campaign. Honestly, do you think Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton are going to think out of the box? Bill Richardson who thinks he can choose to be a homosexual tonight if he wants?
pat @ 53:
As any informed citizen knows, every other form of poll is based upon the additive fantasies of subjectivism that we call Statistics... a VERY small percentage of the population serves as a statistical test group, and the theorems of statistics and standard deviations create the -=perceived=- outcome on the population level. When the human factor is involved, statistics become horribly inaccurate due to how the control group was selected, how the questions were phrased, the age groups involved, etc. waaaay too many variables to calculate for.
The internet polls show REAL nubers... as in, this is how many people have actually voted. It's bias includes the demographics of the site, and the relative demographic of sites that hardlinked the poll gallery; this is true. However, it doesn't stop the MSM from mentioning them when it suits their agendas. Nor does that o demographic negate the fact that the internet poll numbers are tangible, REAL answers, not mathematical projections based on a prior bias-mustered control group. The only way to ensure accuracy based upon statistics is through length of time. Statistics becomes accurate because the trend becomes closer and closer to an equilibrium as more and more samples come into it to show the actual margin of error (as opposed to the arbitrarily selected "confidence level" multiplier/dividens used in stats).
Dennis '08!!!
There's going to reach a point where the commercial media/MSM is going to have to stop ignoring Kucinich. He's kicking butt in straw polls/ popular surveys.
I think he's so scary a figure to them that they are either in denial or that they consider any bit of coverage he receives to be a dangerous thing. How are they going to deal with a politician that isn't open to being corrupted or owned and who is guided by worthy principles? Scary indeed.
Same goes for Gain.
Is anyone voting for Chris Dud?
"Same goes for Gain." That should have been Gavin.
Wasn't Paul Hackett recently trying to smear Dennis Kucinich?
Gavin? Gravel?
Thought I was the only one who liked the little guy. He's smart and feisty and a lot like Harry Truman (my personal hero). I'm REALLY tired of good looks, charisma etal being the criteria to vote for someone. Kucinich/Richardson in '08!
98 Paul Says: How are they going to deal with a politician that isn’t open to being corrupted or owned and who is guided by worthy principles?
they'll call in the jackals
this is not to be doubted: the corporatocracy runs the WHOLE show. and when we push up against the system they will kill to protect it.
it must be done though, we must extricate the coporations from our govt--however painful and dangerous
I get tired of people saying what is and isn't scientific... as if they have an intimate understanding of the 'sciences' that they accept - usually because those 'sciences' are spoonfed to the citizenry in tidbits that sound plausible. Here's what it means to be scientific about ANYTHING:
1) pose a question
2) gather data
3) suppose an outcome of the question
4) run the actual experiment
5) conclude whether your hypothesis was right, wrong, inconclusive, or requires more data.
5B/1) use this data to pose another question.
everything else you call science is a subjective definition based upon the existence of prior scientific studies that someone decided to call a field of study. nothing in this answer shows that one must be honest with your science, like in the case of statistics... numbers are not definitive, they are -representative of- something definitive... and if you formulate the question the right way, you can make it a mathematical truth that the decline of pirates on the high seas is actually a factor in global warming (see: church of the flying spaghetti monster), or any range of idiotic pseudo-paradigms. Science is the search for truth, a process. it is not truth, it does not always find truth, and does not inherently have to be honest. so that's my rant on why sheeple are wrong to believe an interwebz poll is any worse, or better, than MSM polls. for personal veracity, when was the last time you PERSONALLY were polled about Kucinich versus Billary versus Edwards, etc...? how many times have you been polled about them? now think how many times a poll is 'run' and you see how the voice of Amurr'kuh changes to reflect exactly nothing that you or any of your friends seem to believe? *slaps you all around a bit with a large trout*
Give Kucinich your all. Any true progressive must see the importance of stopping the rightward shift of the Democratic mainstream. Kucinich is the only real option for progress.
Kucinich is the man. He's on fire i tell ya. Last few debats he's really been cooking and nailing all the points. He's got my vote.
So the media keeps trying to give us hillary and the people are picking DK!
Luvin' it!
'Nobody Won' as TWO CATEGORIES!
Not as bad as Faux, but about as shitty as ABC can get!
ecotopian @ 39:
I think the Republican-controlled commercial news media is annointing Hillary as the top candidate for two reasons. Most Republicans hate her and they can use her as a unifying boogeywoamn to get out the vote. A large Repub turnout might provide a close enough margin that the vote can be credibly stolen. Secondly, if she wins, they will have a candidate that is most sympathetic to their agenda, being that she is a social dominator, a corporatist and a conservative at heart. She's one of them. If they can engineer or influence the outcome of the primaries so that she is the candidate in '08, they are going to win the election no matter which party takes the office.
There is a reason Rupert Murdoch has helped her with fund raising.
Paul @ 110:
BINGO!!!!!!
This debate hosted by the idiot George Stephie...was a joke! I turned it off after an hour of Obama, Hillary, and Bill Richardson going after one another over moronic questions by Georgie! "Do you pray?" Guess what (personally,I don't give a S**t!) If and when he asked Kucinich a question which was seldom....As Kucinich said "I've been praying for 45 minutes you'd ask me a question!" What a complete waste of time. Stephie backstabbed Bill Clinton and I wouldn't trust that little weasle with my dogs! I voted in the poll for Kucinich because I believe he gets it....Unlike Pelosi, Hoyer and all the other pukes in Washington, but let's face it folks when it comes to politicians we're all f**cked!
SHHHHHHH nobody tell the MSM. Plausible deniability is SOOO in with them.
mr k is right on the issues ...
but the msm ca'nt handle the truth ...tooo bad..
he has a babeilisious wife
Seele^ @ 70:
Cheepers! It's the Iraq war thing. Kills me. Told people years ago that this issue would not go away and now look. People want to vote for Ron Paul because he is a Republican who tells the truth about the war, period. They don't know anything about his domestic policies and they don't care. They're so excited to hear a Republican saying these things, they're just beside themselves.
I like his position on the war and his dedication to the Constitution (what I know of it), but I'll never be able to get my head around libertarianism, nor do I want to.
Anonymal @ 111:
Really! Which candidate will cause corporate interests to suffer the least? Look at her campaign contribution stats.
tyree @ 52:
say tyree i believe you got something there keep up the good work!
If Kucinich is still in the race when it finally comes to my state, I will certainly give him my vote. Hell, even if he is not on the ballot come Nov 2008, I will likely write him in. I will DEFINITELY not be voting for Hillary...
I will NOT have the pundits and so-called "journalists" tell me that Kucinich is not serious or worthy. I will NOT have them nor the GOP pick who I get to vote for in 2008. We really REALLY need to rock the boat in this country and the best way to do that is force Kucinich down the MSM's and punditocracy's throat in spite of their desires.
what? @ 93:
Sorry. Gravel - my fingers got tongue-tied. It happens.
Right on the money, tyree.
tyree...
very astute
think we read the same funny papers
keep on trucken
SteamRanger @ 10:
The man who initiated the Impeach Cheney bill is too polite & non-confrontational?
Kucinich/Edwards '08!
bushisaliar @ 120:
thnx paul bushisaliar actualy i stoed reading the funny papers yrs ago now im reading the writeing on the wall and it tells me were heading down that same old road unless we can elect kucinich!
Kucinich is not the candidate the world's corporations want to feed you. For me, pulling for Kucinich is more than pulling for candiate that represents what I think are my core values as a democrat. Only when a candidate like Kucinich gets the nomination will I believe that our democracy has been released from the clutches of corporate powers that be, and moved back into the hands of the people.
I think anything that moves us away from coporate influence on policy, elections, etc, is a move in the right direction. To achieve this, there are two canditates, Paul on the R side, and Kucinich on the D side. They are exactly the candidates the networks do not want you to have.
Things can change!
Kucinich is the man. I hate the caste system
Isn't it amazing how easy it is to pick out the comments made by corporate puppets. They stand out like a sore thumb! Dennis - 08
I hope voters choose candidates based on platform instead of haircut. The question is, does DK spend too much time on his hair or not enough?
If Americans could just overlook physical appearances, Dennis would probably be the nominee. However, that's not the case, and the rethuglican blood-hounds, with the help of their harem of whores in the media, would have a field day ridiculing Kucinich's elfen appearance and short stature, totally ignoring the substance of his arguements. This is what amounts to serious politics in America today - looks and pedigree. Lincoln wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell, were he to run in this kind of political environment that we now have. Shame.
I had no doubt that Dennis Kucinich had the backing of many AMERICANS ignored by the MEDIA and Government. It will be NO SURPRISE to me that they (the MEDIA) continue the campaign to downgrade and mock Kucinich. He is a serious threat to the other candidates.
Dennis kucinich speaks for the people and has the records to prove it. He has proven that he is not easily derailed during interview even when the interviewer has control of the interview.
He definitely has my VOTE. The media is full of balogna for keeping the drumbeat that Kucinich does not have a chance. The Media is trying to control public perception by bombarding the TV and Print media with "the TOP TIER" candidates. It is obvious that they have the backing of the corporate campaign contributors that have no interest in the PEOPLE's needs.
The Top Teir try to sell themselves and their "empty" ideas and rhetorics to the people only during political campaign season but when elected "fail" to deliver it's grandious promises.
The current government is a perfect example. I excourage all AMERICANS to use your personal experience with the current government and asked yourself: Who will bring the Changes that we all wanted before the election 2004 and 2006? Review the voting records of each candidate and review the lobbyist that contributed to their campaign before casting your final vote in 2009.
SteamRanger @ 10:
What the hell are you talking about? Kucinich is the only candidate who is actually tackling issues! He's the only one pushing for impeachment, multiple times! He's been pushing for real progressive change in this country for his entire career, and he's been uncompromising in that persuit.
Read about him!
How could Kucinich possibly win a debate in which he was only permitted to speak three times? In sum Dennis probably had only 3 minutes of air time during sham. Also, How could Kucinich possibly win a debate when no debate actually took place?
Kucinich actually has a policy and strategy on every issue facing America. The other candidates use the same old tire saw that every politician uses everytime.
I'm voting for Dennis Kucinich.
Well more people are certainly waking up since last time Dennis ran..
When are you others going to get it??
You say he does not have a chance.... When you the Democratic voter fails to give him one... That makes no sense to me. What are you a sniveling pussy who does what they are told?... Or are you a viable human being that can think and demand your voice is heard.
Who is the Candidate with the best ideas...?
Who is the one who will steer us to a better direction?
Why do you feel that being an anchor in the water attached to the ship of state is the best way for you to serve the country??
Comon people WAKE UP...
The survival of the goddamn species depends on it...
Wake up!
Dennis-08
Hillary Clinton is a Republican trying to pretend to be a Democrat. Haven't we had enough of the Joe Lieberman style?
jr @ 125:
But I love the casting couch.
It is pathetic to watch the Democrats cower in the corner and hold their nose and vote for a puke such as Hillary Clinton or Joe Lieberman. Why are Democrats so absolutely gutless with no conviction to do what is the correct thing to do?
I don't know how Kucinich supposedly won when he barely had a chance to talk. The Dodd campaign posted this "Talk Clock" graph.
http://chrisdodd.com/node/2150
ABC News Iowa Democratic Debate Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X637SvHp7ns
the complete Iowa debate here (55 min)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6355773023591053612&hl=en
These other Democratic Candidates can fill cabinet positions in the Kucinich Whitehouse.
Arroyo @ 84:
Yeah, the whole reverse psychology policy thing hasn't really been working out. I'd rather pick a candidate who wholeheartedly endorses a policy, as opposed to one who pays it lip service or ignores it. I think most American's would agree that we're tired of dissembling politicians who end up f'ing us in the a'.
Hillary hasn't done anything so far in this campaign to mark her as a 'front-runner', except for playing up the Clinton name. Nevertheless, she's the MSM favorite. Voters, meanwhile, are extremely tepid about her.
A former Rove compatriot recently revealed, as you can read here on crooks and liars, that his tactic in the last election was to direct all attacks at Kerry. This created the perception that the right was far more worried about the Kerry campaign than the other candidates. It resulted in the dems rallying around Kerry, and marginalized the Edwards campaign (which was far more frightening).
I mean, you can vote for whoever you want, but if you're using MSM defined "electability" as a criteria for your primary pick, you probably shouldn't bother voting at all. Surely the most "electable" candidate will be chosen, with or without your help. You can use your new free time to felate K-Rove and his posse.
131 says: How could Kucinich possibly win a debate in which he was only permitted to speak three times? In sum Dennis probably had only 3 minutes of air time during sham. Also, How could Kucinich possibly win a debate when no debate actually took place?
Too bad you didn't see the debate in its entirety.
Kucinich won the DEBATE.
Proud American @ 140:
You've got to be kidding. Did you watch the entire debate?
Proud American...
You make me proud to read that phrase.
Thank you.
The MSM can't have Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul spoiling the handing of POTUS to Hillary and Bill (or for those that prefer...Billary).
This Kucinich interview on ABC's "This Week" back on August 12 is MUST SEE TV!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKsuzoDalI
I wish someone at C&L would have posted it because he tells it like it is.
He even rips the DLC...
“The Democratic Leadership Council’s agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda,” he went on. “They want to continue to stay in Iraq. They reject the idea of a not-for-profit health care system. … These analysts are … trying to keep a politics that really helps support a privileged few at the expense of the many. So I’m the candidate of the people.”
THANK YOU bluegal for posting the poll results showing Kucinich winning!!!!!
On NPR in Wisconsin they took a straw poll one morning ... Dennis Kucinich SMOKED every one else .. In the hour he had 24 votes... taking first place, Second was a tie between Paul and Clinton with 11...
just some FYI.
Took the "test" and DK comes out as my best match. I'll have to give him a look see. I fear I've been letting the MSM convince me that he is to fringe. I'll have to prowl around http://www.dennis4president.com/ a bit at least until Gore gets tired of letting the MSM kick the current crop around and gets into the game.
Oddly enough HRC came in number 2 in the result. The problem here is that I don't trust her or her judgment any further than I can throw her. I really feel that all of her finger-in-the-air positions are an extremely poor indicator of what we could expect from her as president. Her Iraq war authorization vote was transparently political (and immoral) and even now her Iraq position is carefully crafted for maximum political impact. If someone will do anything to become president, you can expect that once they become president they'll do anything no matter what they've said or done before. We're mercifully coming to the end of one such presidency and we shouldn't embark on another: let's elect a person of vision and principle for a change.
Not surprising for my test... Dennis came out first with a 60... Then Gravel with 49 (who I dont mind as he sorta reminds me of a crazy old good hearted grandpa)... But what did surprise me is Obama was third with 33... *no where near high enough of a score to pass.
I think H-ball was 5th... like I would ever support her..
That is also what is humorous ... They talk about these front runner DLC types... When they do no have the support of the HEART of the Democratic voting base, ya know ... the left wing.
My prediction is the corporate scum will win when they get "their" Candidates ... and we all stay home... or write in Micky Mouse.
SonOfLiberty @ 139:
Wow, you took my comment as an inference that I'm Republican? Good Luck with that.
As you know, Nader elected Bush in 2000. It doesn't take much to see that Kucinich is (despite his very correct views on ... EVERYTHING) un-electable.
Nader did not 'elect' bush in 2000,
Clean out your head gear newbie...
The best, most electable candidate is the one with the best positions...
Stop being a tool and get with the program.
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