It's astounding how incredibly stupid the American people are to still tolerate this bullshit.

I must have missed something. Was there a point before that when they were *right* about anything?

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There is no doubt . . . Dick Cheney is the Worst Secret Vice President Ever!

Cheney, frist on the war criminal list!

dennis @ 5:

Liberal AND Proud @ 2:

It's astounding how incredibly stupid the American people are to still tolerate this bullshit.

Didn't you believe the President when he said that we face the "threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists."?

Christ, Dennis, I can only hope not EVERY American was that fucking pathetically credulous. But, I know, I've seen your comments before - you clearly were.

Watching that last night made me so angry--all of the innocent people who have been killed or maimed, and for what? A bunch of neocons/corporatists who had a pipe dream to democratize the Middle East.

Now, the phony republican cheerleaders of this war are back home hearing from their constituents and getting a "reality check", idiots like Hoekstra etc., are having second thoughts.

This is the worst administration in american history.

O/T Go to Plum TV Nantucket and get a load of Tweety this morning on the island--in an interview, totally unrelated to politics, this idiot managed to get the Clinton's into the conversation. Why did he have to pick Nantucket to retreat from Washinngton?

That speech alone should be enough to convict cheney of war crimes. "Fiasco" is one of the very best books written about this war. And yes, I still heart Colbert.

I know they can't sell a another war to Iran, but just because they can't sell it, doesn't mean that they can't do it.

Ruthless People @ 19:

If Ted Nugent can call for machine guns to be placed in the mouths of presidential candidates and US Senators can I call for Cheney to be waterboarded and strung up by his thumbs for his lies, war crimes, crimes against humanity and mass killings?

Yes, but not here at C&L ;)

If 9/11 hadn't happened!

Canucklehead @ 23:

dennis @ 21:

Liberal AND Proud @ 13:

dennis @ 5:

Short answer. No.

Long answer. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! WMDs!! LOLOLOLOL! Threat to the region! LOLOLOL! Bringing d..d...democracy! LOLOLOLOLOL!

L&P, thanks for responding. Hate to do this to you 'cause your a pretty good guy. But it was actually Former and future President Bill Clinton who said that.

""In the next century, the community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now - a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists, drug traffickers, or organized criminals who travel the world among us unnoticed. If we fail to respond today, Saddam, and all those who would follow in his footsteps, will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in the face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council, and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton - Remarks at the Pentagon , February 17, 1998

Oh, so everyone here should have believed those words because they came from Clinton?

Clinton was a triangulator who may or may not have had stock in defense contractors. Nevertheless, Clinton did not invade without conclusive evidence.

Operation Psycho Pathy

Oh, so everyone here should have believed those words because they came from Clinton?
--Canucklehead

Did you, Canuckster? Or did you believe his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, when he said Saddam "“will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again!"?

Clinton also did not accuse Americans who disagreed with him of emboldening Al-Queda and of wanting the terrorist to win and saying they were unpatriotic terrorist sympathizers.

Mugsy @ 31:

Blue Buddha @ 9:

Yep... present day Cheney keeps 1994 Cheney securely locked away in a safe hidden in a dark, moldy underground bunker somewhere.

You know that "man sized safe" he has in his office? :)

Ack! #11 beat me to it!

dennis @ 28:

Oh, so everyone here should have believed those words because they came from Clinton?
--Canucklehead

Did you, Canuckster? Or did you believe his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, when he said Saddam "“will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again!"?

Your problem, Dennis, is you can't break out of binary reasoning that says people are either conservative or liberal, Repub or Dem, and they'll believe anything that comes out of the mouths of other people on their side. It's a mistake to project that binary reasoning on everyone else.

ysbaddaden @ 35:

Mugsy @ 31:

Blue Buddha @ 9:

Yep... present day Cheney keeps 1994 Cheney securely locked away in a safe hidden in a dark, moldy underground bunker somewhere.

You know that "man sized safe" he has in his office? :)

Does Geraldo Rivera know about this?

I can just see the Rivera TV special 20 years from now: three-quarters of an hour on the evil war criminal organization that was the Cheney-Bush administration, then they bust open the safe to find empty Coke bottles.

dennis @ 28:

Oh, so everyone here should have believed those words because they came from Clinton?
--Canucklehead

Did you, Canuckster? Or did you believe his National Security Advisor, Sandy Berger, when he said Saddam "“will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again!"?

come on dennis stick to the economy and how great thoes stocks are going,this other shits not your bag, money thats where its at, homes for sale homes reposessed ,thiers where the profits be! oh and its frog follies this weekend! hot as the furnaces at alcoa outside

What dennis also doesn't get, is that the WMDs Saddam once had were destroyed. We sent inspectors in to make sure of this before the war remember - and they confirmed that no WMDs were fouind in Iraq. No, sorry dennis - your game of "gotcha" isn't gonna work.

RagingGurrl @ 40:

What dennis also doesn't get, is that the WMDs Saddam once had were destroyed. We sent inspectors in to make sure of this before the war remember - and they confirmed that no WMDs were fouind in Iraq. No, sorry dennis - your game of "gotcha" isn't gonna work.

But hey, at least dennis still shows up and makes the effort. Repug trolls are getting scarce (but not precious) these days!

Ricks and the Right Wing are still lying ! it WAS NOT FAULTY intelligence ! SEE LINK FOR THE SMOKING GUN...http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml

"(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.

"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.

Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:

"The idea of going after Iraq was U.S. policy. It was going to happen one way or the other," says Drumheller.

Drumheller says he doesn't think it mattered very much to the administration what the intelligence community had to say. "I think it mattered it if verified. This basic belief that had taken hold in the U.S. government that now is the time, we had the means, all we needed was the will," he says."

BUSH AND cHENEY ARE LIARS!

After all of these years since 9/11 Al Qeada still is only capable of car bombs. Prior to 9/11 that was all that they could do. All of the BS from Bush and Cheney would be laughed at if 9/11 hadn't happened. There wouldn't be a long list of mistakes. Anything that the Clinton administration speculated about or made warnings of was at best just an effort for long range thinking. Just to burst any naive balloons that the future was nothing but roses. I don't remember any serious panic. Keep in mind that all of the really serious monsters prior to 9/11 are still out there and are more lethal today including a lot shakier Pakistan that has nukes and crazy people. How is it that we attacked someone like the inept punk on the corner instead of anyone else? This reminds me of a wild west scenario where we have war like tribes all over the place massacring settlers and we attack the ones on a reservation. I think most peoples brains quit computing after 9/11. The debate over Iraq is retarded. Are we so egotistical that we don't think the people who live there can't get along without us? I hate to poor water on your zeal but they managed to keep reproducing more babies for a hell of a lot longer then this country has existed. Listening to the republicans spout their crap and having people take sides in the debate is brain dead. It all comes down to a simple problem. We have criminals in the white house and we need to do something about it. We have an election coming up. My most dire feelings are that we will sit and continue to get sucked into this debate and the criminals will have the time to put together another 9/11. What are we waiting for?

it has been said when dick goes to the local swimming pool that the water in front of him turns yellow and bubbles contiuialy rise from the back of him and he chuckles all the while! wonder what his trunks look like at the buddy check!tweeeet no running

dennis @ 47:

Canucklehead @ 41:

RagingGurrl @ 40:

What dennis also doesn't get, is that the WMDs Saddam once had were destroyed. We sent inspectors in to make sure of this before the war remember - and they confirmed that no WMDs were fouind in Iraq. No, sorry dennis - your game of "gotcha" isn't gonna work.

Good point, RagingGurrl. Context is very important here. On that note it's also important to remember the context of Cheney's remarks in '02. He was trying to sell people on an illegal invasion.

Ok, Canucklehead. I agree with you, context is very important. So tell me then what the context was when Bill Clinton's wife decided to vote for that illegal invasion.

She either won't or can't afford to say she was taken in by Cheney's sales pitch.

I direct you to that whole binary-reasoning point I made earlier. I won't defend HC's vote, nor should I be expected to. I gather neither of us likes Hillary, but for different reasons.

flex @ 44:

Ricks and the Right Wing are still lying ! it WAS NOT FAULTY intelligence ! SEE LINK FOR THE SMOKING GUN...http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml

"(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.

"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.

Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:

"The idea of going after Iraq was U.S. policy. It was going to happen one way or the other," says Drumheller.

Drumheller says he doesn't think it mattered very much to the administration what the intelligence community had to say. "I think it mattered it if verified. This basic belief that had taken hold in the U.S. government that now is the time, we had the means, all we needed was the will," he says."

BUSH AND cHENEY ARE LIARS!

easier to access link (i hope)...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml

I look at Cheney giving this speech and then I see Saddam's picture and I think of Saddam hanging (as he probably should) but I truly believe Dick Cheney's neck should be inside a noose as well as a war criminal. So many people have died because of these lies.
Take this man out of the administration and several lives are saved.

dennis @ 5:

Liberal AND Proud @ 2:

It's astounding how incredibly stupid the American people are to still tolerate this bullshit.

Didn't you believe the President when he said that we face the "threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists."?

NO! I have never believed anything Bush has said. Like everyone else, I was outraged on September 11th. Shortly thereafter, when a calmer head prevailed, I realized it was BLOWBACK for all the atrocities the USA has committed in the Middle East for decades, and to be expected at some point in time. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Do I support the terrorists? Of course not. Do I think invading Iraq was a solution? Of course not. Do I think Cheney is a diabolical evil war-mongering liar. ABSOLUTELY YES!!!

[...] Colbert Marks 5th Anniversary of Cheney’s ‘Operation: Iraq Lies’ » This Summary is from an article posted at Crooks and Liars on Friday, August 24, 2007 This [...]

Mugsy @ 32:

Mugsy @ 31:

Blue Buddha @ 9:

Yep... present day Cheney keeps 1994 Cheney securely locked away in a safe hidden in a dark, moldy underground bunker somewhere.

You know that "man sized safe" he has in his office? :)

Ack! #11 beat me to it!

Actually, the daily show beat you both to it, a week or so ago.

But thanks for playing.

sconset @ 14:

This is the worst administration in american history.

Indeed. But it is chosen by the people with democratic process ?

Finn @ 62:

sconset @ 14:

This is the worst administration in american history.

Indeed. But it is chosen by the people with democratic process ?

no, it was stolen by the GOP using Rove's, Diebold voting machines, etc. corrupt tactics.

"Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.."

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_st...

What's being forgotten in this discussion is Congress never voted to authorize war, as per the Constitution, but for an authorization to use force with two caveats that boosh never met. Essentially he had to send them a report stating his case, and another report with the evidence. He sent a report that was basically only a rewording of his original request, and never sent any evidence.

At the time some of us saw the vote as breathing space, but because of David Kay's reports on no WMD's being found, booscho saw their case unravelling, and simply invaded. In fact, supposedly, the bombing of Iraq started, before Congress even voted for the authorization.