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Roughly one in seven of America's active duty military soldiers is a woman, but a NOW investigation found that sexual assault and rape is widespread. One study of National Guard and Reserve forces found that almost one in four women had been assaulted or raped. Last year alone, almost 3,000 soldiers reported sexual assault and rape by other soldiers. On Friday, September 7 (check your local listings), in one of the only national television broadcasts of the issue, NOW features women who speak out for the first time about what happened. One woman recounts her ordeal of rape by her superior officer. Many more don't report the incidents for fear of how it will affect their careers. The shocking phenomenon has a label: military sexual trauma, or MST. NOW meets women courageously battling to overcome their MST, bringing light to an issue that's putting the army in shame. A NOW exclusive investigation.

The NOW website will offer the latest statistics on MST and insight into the challenges of reporting sexual abuse in the military.



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One study of National Guard and Reserve forces found that almost one in four women had been assaulted or raped.

Since the article later admits people are scared to report it, the actual number is probably higher than the section I quoted says.

I'm curious what they are counting as assault. Grabbing and touching or attempted rape definitely counts as assault. I just hope they aren't including things like "Hey baby, nice ass" as assault.

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The women clearly don't get the bigger picture of the Global War on Terror. All they care about is themselves. Get raped in Iraq or they will follow you home to America and rape you.

I wonder if the Repubs will be as outraged by this as they were at the bogus rumors that Jessica Lynch was assaulted by Iraqis. What will bush have to say about this, since he never failed to mention Saddam's "rape rooms" every chance he got. Of course, after Abu Ghraib, he doesn't say much about Saddam's torture and rape rooms anymore.

I know what many Repubs will say, that this is the reason why women shouldn't be in the military. Personally I think it's a failure of leadership of those men who assault the women, the wink-wink, nudge-nudge boys will be boys mentality.

See what happens when let the low-lifes are let in the club.

Jesus H. Christ... three thousand occurrences in one year?

And they worry that gays will be disruptive to the troops? Seems to me they have a lot of problems with the straights right now.

The heterosexual lifestyle is fraught with danger and violence.

Part of the problem here is the "All service men/women are heroes" bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I'm not calling them all bloodthirsty baby murderers, but like every profession most will be average law abiding people and some will be criminals.
The fact that there is a proclivity to look at all military personnel as "heroes", especially in wartime, gives these sorry bastards plenty of cover.

when a man can not serve(and no pun intended) because he is gay, this is a disgrace because the armed services DO CONDONE RAPE. it's ok to inflict a crime against a woman, but god forbid that you are honest about being gay.

this is just some more of that "compassionate gop" hypocracy.

if they want to fuck the willing, then why kick them out of the services?

They spend months and years sharpening the killer instinct to a razor sharp edge, so that at the moment of truth they will act, leap, spring into action as the perfect killing machine,

then your squash parter bends over in front of you. What are the statistics on male on male, probably hardly ever reported?

This lends a whole new definition to the term "friendly fire."
Larry Craig needs to brush up on his Morse Code.

That percentage is about the same as in the general public.

1 Stonicus, I'm sure if you watch NOW this Friday, you'll see that these women soldiers put up with LOTS worse than "nice ass."

This is disgusting. So much for our noble warriors....

If a woman is working at an office and gets raped, she reports it right away and has no worry about her job. Women in the military should be able to do the same thing without worry it will effect their military career. That's the first thing they should fix.

If the woman in either case files what is found to be a false claim of rape, then she has some sort of price to pay.

I don't know how many false claims of rape are made, but I bet the number is very low since no woman would want to go through a trial and be asked the things they are asked if they didn't have to.

Fighting for your country while being a potential victim of rape and/or assault by the very people who are suppose to have your back...

Paints an ultimate nightmare victimization scenario that the military under no circumstance could possibly tolerate....

Just horrible....

No surprise. Considering, in their desperation to meet recruiting goals, they lowered the enlistee standards to nothing.

1. Don't just blame the Army. This crime, and the attitude that goes with it, happens in all branches of the military. By the way, "hey baby nice ass" is not acceptable military behavior. It's unprofessional and crass.
2. There was a case where a supervisor told young women they would get good performance reports if they slept with him. There was no grabbing or touching involved. Is that acceptable? I say it isn't. The military agreed. However, the young women who reported this behavior where ostracized by the men in the unit.
3. I disagree with calling it MST. Sexual assault and rape are not limited to the military. Call it what it is: rape or sexual assault. These are crimes. Period.

Hey, boys will be boys. Besides, if they weren't raping the girls, they'd be raping each other. It's all part of The Army of One. As in if you're in the army, you are the only 'One' you can trust. Anyway, what part of 'The army will make a man out of you' don't the girls understand?

For God's sake, how do you parents who willingly send your daughters to Iraq EXPECT them to be treated? Remember the two women who died of dehydration because they would not drink water for fear of being attacked going to the loo? Our army is looking more and more like a personal George W. Bush militia every day.

This whole thing is disgusting in so many ways. Where are the statistics for the number of males in the military who have been convicted of rape and are they in jail? Do they pursue the accused rapist when one of the females does report a rape?

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I wonder how many Iraqi women were raped.

pissed off patricia @ 19:

Where are the statistics for the number of males in the military who have been convicted of rape and are they in jail?

Most likely they are not in jail. Because the military needs as many warm bodies as they can get at this point. The collapse of the Roman Empire?

This doesn't surprise me. Military guys are the biggest jock-type assholes in the world. If a woman says no, she's either confused, a lesbian, or a teaser bitch who needs to be taught a lesson. Who, after all, in her right mind would turn down their glorious Alpha Cocks?

[...] sean hannity: maybe if these women didn’t want to be raped, they shouldn’t have joined the army. [...]

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That's what you get when you get a lot of guys standing at attention.

Maybe if they didn't have so many long tours of duty, they could have proper tours of bedrooms.

EconAtheist @ 6:

Jesus H. Christ... three thousand occurrences in one year?

What does the H stand for?

I have several female friends in the Army. I actually asked one of them why they would go into the Army when rumors had been spreading about the wide spread rape of women in the army. You know she actually told me that she was looking forward to being raped?!?! I know that rape fantasies are not uncommon. I wonder how many of these women thought that it would be fun to have sex with your buddies in arms only to learn the sad truth that forced sex is not usually fun for women.

BTW, I'm a Libertarian and I believe that women should not be allowed in the military. Frankly, we shouldn't have a standing army in the first place.

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k @ 25:

k @ 2:

No need to wisper...for I think majority of us agree that "convicted" rapist need to be
severly punished. My concern in this particular situation is WHAT(if anything)
does the Military do when they find a soldier guilty and he is convicted? Same standards
and penalty as those used in our "public" society??? Probably not.

I wonder if they also looked at the frequency of occurences related to deployment length of troops. Were there fewer occurences of this happening earlier in the occupation? What effect does the protracted deployment length have on the mental well-being of soldiers in the field and how is this related to the occurences of rape against females in the military? I am not condoning what any of these soldiers have done, but every aspect of this should be looked at.

the phuKKKed up military culture starts at the top. There is also an incredible problem in all the military academies. as well as the standard military environments (PBS reported on this years ago.) Military husbands are the worst abusers of all and information is withheld from the public and regular law enforcement. Women in the service and military wives living with their husbands are regularly threatened and brutalized. The men are seldom, if ever, punished as intimidation is part of the culture and there is never any protection or privacy for women who file any complaints.

It is a culture of abuse.

It is beyond hypocrisy.

It is barbarism, plain and simple.

ysbaddaden @ 27:

EconAtheist @ 6:

Jesus H. Christ... three thousand occurrences in one year?

What does the H stand for?

Hussein, of course, he was after all Middle Eastern >:)

California Dave clearly does not understand the bigger picture of the Global War on Terror. All he cares about is himself. He should go get shot in Iraq, or they might go to Cali and shoot him - he should probably try and get himself tortured too, it might help him out in the future.

Bob Weaver @ 33:

ysbaddaden @ 27:

EconAtheist @ 6:

Jesus H. Christ... three thousand occurrences in one year?

What does the H stand for?

Hussein, of course, he was after all Middle Eastern >:)

Hairy, of course, he was a hippie!

ysbaddaden @ 27:

EconAtheist @ 6:

Jesus H. Christ... three thousand occurrences in one year?

What does the H stand for?

Hallowed. It's after his dad. "Our father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."

It is surprising that no one has mentioned Suzanne Swift. Spc. Suzanne Swift was deployed to Iraq where she was raped by two of her Sergeants, both of whom are married. This type of assault is called command rape. She then returned to the U.S. on leave where she refused to redeploy back to Iraq fearing that she would be assaulted again. She also stated that a male Sergeant had raped a male Spc. just before she was due to be redeployed. She was arrested at her mother's house in Eugene, Or. where she was sent to Fort Lewis, Wa. While there, she was, incredibly, assigned to the same barracks that contained one of the same individuals whom she had accused of raping her in the first place. I am not certain but she may be trying to work out a deal where the Army will release her back into civilian life.

Is this what is meant and what we get when it is said "Support the troops"?

Rusty Shackleford @ 36:

ysbaddaden @ 27:

EconAtheist @ 6:

Jesus H. Christ... three thousand occurrences in one year?

What does the H stand for?

Hallowed. It's after his dad. "Our father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."

I thought it was Howard, Howard be thy name...

pissed off patricia @ 14:

If a woman is working at an office and gets raped, she reports it right away and has no worry about her job. Women in the military should be able to do the same thing without worry it will effect their military career. That's the first thing they should fix.

Out of curiosity.. Are there unions for the military in the US?

Erroll @ 37:

It is surprising that no one has mentioned Suzanne Swift. Spc. Suzanne Swift was deployed to Iraq where she was raped by two of her Sergeants, both of whom are married. This type of assault is called command rape. She then returned to the U.S. on leave where she refused to redeploy back to Iraq fearing that she would be assaulted again. She also stated that a male Sergeant had raped a male Spc. just before she was due to be redeployed. She was arrested at her mother's house in Eugene, Or. where she was sent to Fort Lewis, Wa. While there, she was, incredibly, assigned to the same barracks that contained one of the same individuals whom she had accused of raping her in the first place. I am not certain but she may be trying to work out a deal where the Army will release her back into civilian life.

That's truly disturbing. I am going to look her up now.

Stonicus @ 1:

One study of National Guard and Reserve forces found that almost one in four women had been assaulted or raped.

Since the article later admits people are scared to report it, the actual number is probably higher than the section I quoted says.

I'm curious what they are counting as assault. Grabbing and touching or attempted rape definitely counts as assault. I just hope they aren't including things like "Hey baby, nice ass" as assault.

Hey Baby, nice ass......

..... verbal assault. I'll just bet you think that's a compliment, doncha.

Rusty Shackleford @ 36:

ysbaddaden @ 27:

EconAtheist @ 6:

Jesus H. Christ... three thousand occurrences in one year?

What does the H stand for?

Hallowed. It's after his dad. "Our father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."

I rather refer to him as simply Art.

Does this count women who are coerced into sexual torture of detainees?

I got your back Lynndie. (thumbs up and points)

Maybe there is something in common with militarism and rape - just sayin...

Wordsmith@ work @ 42:

Stonicus @ 1:

One study of National Guard and Reserve forces found that almost one in four women had been assaulted or raped.

Since the article later admits people are scared to report it, the actual number is probably higher than the section I quoted says.

I'm curious what they are counting as assault. Grabbing and touching or attempted rape definitely counts as assault. I just hope they aren't including things like "Hey baby, nice ass" as assault.

I don't know, when a woman tells me I've got a nice ass, I do take it as a compliment. Women are only offended when the assaulter/complimenter would never have a chance in hell to screw them. Oh yeah, and men have to figure out which it is before saying it. Women get away with saying these things to men all the time.

Hey Baby, nice ass......

..... verbal assault. I'll just bet you think that's a compliment, doncha.

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€Punk @ 40:

pissed off patricia @ 14:

If a woman is working at an office and gets raped, she reports it right away and has no worry about her job. Women in the military should be able to do the same thing without worry it will effect their military career. That's the first thing they should fix.

Out of curiosity.. Are there unions for the military in the US?

No.

A guy I used to work with had served 10 years in the Marine Corp and served in the first Gulf War. He once said something casually to me that shocked me. He said that he believed that most women who enlist in the armed services do it to make money as prostitutes. I was shocked that he truly believed this. If his view of women serving was this twisted, I suspect others in the service have a comparably twisted view of the women who serve along side them. This behavior would fit right in with that point of view.

Bob Weaver @ 45:
I don't know, when a woman tells me I've got a nice ass, I do take it as a compliment. Women are only offended when the assaulter/complimenter would never have a chance in hell to screw them. Oh yeah, and men have to figure out which it is before saying it. Women get away with saying these things to men all the time.

Oh bullshit....anything to demean, devalue women's experiences. Anything unwanted, unsolicited, unwarranted....

I can't tell you the bullshit I encountered while I was in the military. Ultimately I took care of what needed to be taken care of with ramifications. I never close to being raped.

Don't give me your bullshit about not knowing when to compliment a woman or what constitutes a compliment. Men buy into that bullshit and in fact, perpetuate the bullshit myth.

considering that the army is now full of felons and gang members, this is not surprising at all. But the American military is bringing democracy to the world!

How can anyone be shocked by rape from soldiers who have been trained to be murderers?

Justify killing, and anything lesser can be dismissed with the wave of a hand.

navyswan @ 47:

€Punk @ 40:

pissed off patricia @ 14:

If a woman is working at an office and gets raped, she reports it right away and has no worry about her job. Women in the military should be able to do the same thing without worry it will effect their military career. That's the first thing they should fix.

Out of curiosity.. Are there unions for the military in the US?

No.

It's inaccurate that women in offices, or in the professions, report rape and get results right away. Secual harrassment and assault go unpunished more often than not.

goatsage @ 39:

Rusty Shackleford @ 36:

ysbaddaden @ 27:

EconAtheist @ 6:

What does the H stand for?

Hallowed. It's after his dad. "Our father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."

I thought it was Howard, Howard be thy name...

I always thought it was "H" for Hallelujah. :)

Stonicus @ 1:

One study of National Guard and Reserve forces found that almost one in four women had been assaulted or raped.

Since the article later admits people are scared to report it, the actual number is probably higher than the section I quoted says.

I'm curious what they are counting as assault. Grabbing and touching or attempted rape definitely counts as assault. I just hope they aren't including things like "Hey baby, nice ass" as assault.

They're counting actual penetration.

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That should have said:

Ultimately I took care of what needed to be taken care of without ramifications although I never close to being raped

Dood @ 23:

This doesn't surprise me. Military guys are the biggest jock-type assholes in the world. If a woman says no, she's either confused, a lesbian, or a teaser bitch who needs to be taught a lesson. Who, after all, in her right mind would turn down their glorious Alpha Cocks?

I read an article about ten years ago about the high incidence of rape at military housing complexes. Military wives were preyed upon by soldiers who were at home while these women's husbands were in the field. Gives a lot of credence to your assessment.

Recently a friend in the military said she took a gun with her to the bathroom. Not for fear of an insurgent but fear of the men in her group. Is this what we have become?

The case of Suzanne Swift is a textbook example of what is wrong with the military today. She and her mother have been interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, you can probably find her interviews in their archives. She also has a website that details her situation and has some information on how she is doing. She is a brave, tough little cookie, but she would never tell you this. This country needs more people like her.

Friend of ours got sexually assaulted while she was out to sea. When she reported it, the command sent her in for a psych consult instead of sending her to the JAG office. She got a bogus diagnosis of PTSD so that the command could process her for separation. They would rather pay her a bogus disability check than prosecute her assaulter. After the Tailhook incident and the recent issues in Annapolis, it seems the Navy would rather keep things quiet at any cost instead of bring themselves more bad publicity.

navyswan @ 61:

Friend of ours got sexually assaulted while she was out to sea. When she reported it, the command sent her in for a psych consult instead of sending her to the JAG office. She got a bogus diagnosis of PTSD so that the command could process her for separation. They would rather pay her a bogus disability check than prosecute her assaulter. After the Tailhook incident and the recent issues in Annapolis, it seems the Navy would rather keep things quiet at any cost instead of bring themselves more bad publicity.

In 1976! I filed a complaint with the IG regarding my NCOIC at the health clinic where I performed my duties as the sole radiographic tech. I wrote about it in relation to Lavena Johnson's father speaking at an event not long ago (Veterans for Peace). It takes courage, and support. Alone is tremendously difficult.

Why do these female troops hate our freedom?

In the national average, the rate of rape is about 1 in 6, so this is a much higher percentage. And if a superior officer rapes a subordinate, then that should not only be considered rape, but sexual harrassment of the worse kind and/or false imprisonment... since clearly the subordiate cannot quit her job or leave.

This is criminal behavior and should be punished as such.

This is crazy, quite honestly if someone in my family ever gets sexually assaulted and the authorities refuse to do anything I would search the perp into hell and take matters into my own hands. Do I sound crazy for saying this? Yes, but so is sexual assault.

Soldiers don't go to war because they're good and honorable people. That's just what they tell you (stupid Americans) so that you'll be willing to send your children into harm's way. Some people volunteer for the armed services because they have bought into phony honorable sentiments but many just have financial problems and need a job. A significant number, however, really just want to kill.

Go to youtube and search for "war crimes in Iraq" if you're all hot and bothered about how I'm lying about your evil country.

anon @ 34:

California Dave clearly does not understand the bigger picture of the Global War on Terror. All he cares about is himself. He should go get shot in Iraq, or they might go to Cali and shoot him - he should probably try and get himself tortured too, it might help him out in the future.

Ouch, I was trying to point out the stupidity of 'fight them over there or we will have to fight them over here' nonsense. Rape is not a laughing matter, but where are all the outraged Republicans?

Willfully participatiing in one immoral and illegal act can easily lead to the participation of another.

Peace!

nyguy @ 65:

This is crazy, quite honestly if someone in my family ever gets sexually assaulted and the authorities refuse to do anything I would search the perp into hell and take matters into my own hands. Do I sound crazy for saying this? Yes, but so is sexual assault.

I was stationed at a medical clinic in the midst of a grunt unit. 12 women with thousands of men. Now one man in particular made it his business to go around pinching the women on the butt whenever he saw them. One day, another tech and I were walking to the PX and who do you suppose was in front of us. It wasn't even discussed, one of us pinched the buttock that was directly in front of us. His reaction, he whirled around and was so intent on wanting to beat the shit out of us. Why? Because we had no right touching him. Like I told him, then keep your *ing hands off the women on this post because there were going to be consequences.

Now granted the majority of men were fine; you know they were. It's those who weren't (aren't) that make life hell for women.

If you're a woman in the military you get raped, if you are an Atheist in the military you get shot. However, if you are a Christian fundamentalist you get paid large speaking fees to tell everyone about how Jesus can whup Mohammad's ass and a complimentary copy of Tim LaHaye's video game.

I am wondering if the number of rapes being reported has gone up since the invasion of Iraq?

That would be an interesting fact if it has.

And no, I am not condoning rape at all.

Far from it.

Hmm, war has always been associated w/pillage, plunder, and rape. To the victor go the spoils, etc.

Maybe this society likes war as a way for certain males to take out their aggression and dominance in a socially sanctioned way.

Remember, rape is not about sex, it's about dominance and control.

I'm not surprised at all. But the last time I commented on something like this I was deleted, so I will bite my tongue, if you will.

This was a problem when I was in the Army...75-78....some of the guys were very very weird..they were the guys who never got any...ANY...

They didn't have much of a rape problem till women were allowed into combat positions.
What do people really expect. Bunch of 18-20 year olds who joined the services mostly so they can go kill, (thats what they do)+ Raging hormones+ may die tomorrow+good looking women+regular 18-20 yr old away from home and not getting any nooky=s Good chance some one goin to get their ass raped. SOLUTION,,, Take women out of combat roles. They shouldn't be there to begin with. Maybe on the entry forms it should be stipulated that when you join the armed services that you may 1. Be killed. 2. Be raped. 3. Be killed. 4. Be raped.

I wonder if any of the women shown at this site were some of the ones raped?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWp0l5SqcQ

For the last 12 years I have volunteered to help 1,000+ men and women from the services obtain benefits and compensation for the damages done to them. This is NOT due to women in combat, as my clients go back to WWII with the same story and the same outcome.

The military has a system built in for any victim of any crime called the McDowell checklist. Most of the women who are raped face charges of conduct unbecoming, filing a false report (due to the way the checklist is) or Adultery, facing 26 years in prison for being married at the time of the assault.

I think it is great that you can all talk about this and express your opinions. I need to get back to work, as I am getting 3-4 new clients daily, and only one person to support the work I do.

Jerry @ 5:

See what happens when let the low-lifes are let in the club.

Dang, you beat me to it! ;-)

Especially if they're also just released from jail, or being forced to serve under threat of going to jail...

I was in from 77-81. At least one woman was raped at every base I served at. Beatings were more frequent. When my daughter served it was the same, starting with her recruiter, who pinned her in an alley behind the recruiting office and promised her special duty and perks while he tried to grope her.

When I was stationed at Norfolk, VA, women were under orders to walk in groups of 4 or more at night - for fear of being assaulted by their own fellow soldiers. Once when I was duty driver, I had to drive to the hospital to pick up a woman I knew who had been carried into a barracks room, past the laughing security guard and up to a room where she was held for over twelve hours and raped repeatedly. She was badly bruised and traumatized but was being sent back to her barracks. When she got there, her attacker was already back in the barracks - not even held pending investigation - and waiting for her, grinning as she walked by.

At another duty station, my roommate was assaulted in her room by someone who broke in. Because he was due to ship out, they never pressed charges against him, they passed him on to his next command.

When I hear men say women aren't tough enough to be in the military, I have to laugh. Male soldiers have to watch out for the enemy but can count on their fellow troops to get their back. Women have to watch out for both the foreign enemies and the ones who are supposed to be on their side.

Susan Avila-Smith Says:

This is NOT due to women in combat, as my clients go back to WWII with the same story and the same outcome.

Women were not allowed in combat in WWII.. Just study the facts not the BS. The more women are in the service, the more they take a chance of getting raped while in the service period. Rape of nurses or non combat personnel is rare,,, very rare, and subject to the same stats as civilians. To say that women who are in combat roles or are in close proximity to men who are, has nothing to do with it, is BS. So save the propaganda for thoughs who don't know whats real. In fact talk about the men which are raped by other men but will not come forward because they are ashamed of ridicule. Talk about civilians which are raped. Rape in and out of the armed services is a fact, but just being in close proximity to men or women who are "geared" to violence increases the chance of it.
THIS is the fact.
Ask yourself what type of people join the armed services. The ones who are evidently willing to kill that's who. Do you think these people are sweet nonviolent people? Well they aren't. They are trained killers, and the women who wish to play soldier,, when they join are saying,, I want to be a killer too. Sure most may say, and some may actually mean it, when they say they want to serve their country, but down deep,, if you have joined to be in combat, you are saying I am willing to kill. Combat changes people, and not for the good in most cases. Once people kill, well,, they are never the same. So if women want to go in the armed services in a combat role, or in any role involved with these types, they or anyone involved must know and should know,, shit happens, and shit doesn't smell good. It stinks.

Wordsmith@ work @ 49:

Bob Weaver @ 45:
I don't know, when a woman tells me I've got a nice ass, I do take it as a compliment. Women are only offended when the assaulter/complimenter would never have a chance in hell to screw them. Oh yeah, and men have to figure out which it is before saying it. Women get away with saying these things to men all the time.

Oh bullshit....anything to demean, devalue women's experiences. Anything unwanted, unsolicited, unwarranted....

I can't tell you the bullshit I encountered while I was in the military. Ultimately I took care of what needed to be taken care of with ramifications. I never close to being raped.

Don't give me your bullshit about not knowing when to compliment a woman or what constitutes a compliment. Men buy into that bullshit and in fact, perpetuate the bullshit myth.

I think it is not so much the nice ass comment as to someone grabbing your ass. It doesnt matter who it is. One hit and they are good.

Personally I would rather women just stay out of combat roles as I hate to see women in general getting hurt. Its sad in life that men and women rape and kill each other. Its a sad fact though that until we as a people quit war, that rape and murder of innocent and not so innocent people will occur during it. But the best way I know to and for a woman to avoid rape, is to not put herself in the position of it occurring. I know she should not have to worry about fellow servicemen raping her,, but the facts of life are, they will. Americans are like any other people. People are people the world over. We are all the same, some are half decent, some are indifferent, and some are just plain bad. People just need to wake up and women quit kidding yourself. The strong will prey on the weak. Women may think they can out fight or are as tough as men, and some are, but mostly in the armed services they are not. So when they or anyone joins the military,, all I can say is watch out for yourself, because when all is said and done you are responsible for your own safety.

Pure B.S.

I would trust this NOW stat as much as I trust Bush stats!

[...] Nicole Belle reported, “The shocking phenomenon has a label: military sexual trauma, or MST. NOW meets women courageously battling to overcome their MST, bringing light to an issue that’s putting the army in shame. One study of National Guard and Reserve forces found that almost one in four women had been assaulted or raped. Last year alone, almost 3,000 soldiers reported sexual assault and rape by other soldiers.” [...]

This isn't news to me. My sister-in-law is currently serving in Iraq, and she has had to have another female 'combat buddy' with her at all off duty times. Not because of the insurgent threat, but because of the extremely real threat of sexual assault from male officers. She was also injured in a mortar attack on her barracks that wasn't reported to the press, even though soldiers were killed. Go figure.

As one female soldier told me. This is why men don't want gays in the military. Men don't want their commanding officers raping them.

JudyLou @ 71:

Hmm, war has always been associated w/pillage, plunder, and rape. To the victor go the spoils, etc.

Maybe this society likes war as a way for certain males to take out their aggression and dominance in a socially sanctioned way.

Remember, rape is not about sex, it's about dominance and control.

Just as often rape is about sex.

Of course it's the fellows -- who should it be? The GALS!?

Duh @ 74:

They didn't have much of a rape problem till women were allowed into combat positions.
What do people really expect. Bunch of 18-20 year olds who joined the services mostly so they can go kill, (thats what they do)+ Raging hormones+ may die tomorrow+good looking women+regular 18-20 yr old away from home and not getting any nooky=s Good chance some one goin to get their ass raped. SOLUTION,,, Take women out of combat roles. They shouldn't be there to begin with. Maybe on the entry forms it should be stipulated that when you join the armed services that you may 1. Be killed. 2. Be raped. 3. Be killed. 4. Be raped.

With this ..I agree....no women in combat.....not to mention what WILL happen to them if they're captured.....sometimes people who think that they might not live for much longer.....don't care.

Soldiers should go back to polishing their helmets.

Straight Shooter @ 53:

goatsage @ 39:

Rusty Shackleford @ 36:

ysbaddaden @ 27:
Hallowed. It's after his dad. "Our father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name."

God's name is Art?

All hail King Arthur!

I thought it was Howard, Howard be thy name...

I always thought it was "H" for Hallelujah. :)

God’s name is Art?

All hail King Arthur!

That part was mine.

Do anchovies come with that pizza face, or did she forget to douche?

This whole story make me sick to my stomach. The GOP have managed to single-handedly reduce our once fine and proud military into nothing but a bunch of barbarians. The negative psychology that builds up after being on multiple extended tours in such a tense, unimaginably stress-filled environment that is Iraq, is sure to breed this kind of sub-human behavior. It is precisely to avert incidents such as these, that show clear evidence of the need for the soldiers to rotate out every few months, to regain a sense of self and normalcy in their lives. But no, the GOPoopers see no problem with having out boys and girls permanently in the meat grinder and thinking that they are going to return home as Little Lord Fauntleroys. We are in for some really rough days ahead, people.

The line between "sexual harrassment" and "sexual assault" is blurred under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) so these number may not be representative of what a civilian would expect. As for anything even vaguely sexual within the Chain of Command, consentual or not, that is a completely separate and serious set of charges.

organmeat @ 86:

JudyLou @ 71:

Hmm, war has always been associated w/pillage, plunder, and rape. To the victor go the spoils, etc.

Maybe this society likes war as a way for certain males to take out their aggression and dominance in a socially sanctioned way.

Remember, rape is not about sex, it's about dominance and control.

Just as often rape is about sex.

Rape is NEVER about sex.

But you know that, don't you? That's why the silly moniker. It's not something you take serious because you aren't in the position to ever worry over it or wonder.

Wait... this is news?
Of *course* this is happening. Duh. It's happened in every war that's ever existed since the beginning of mankind. And just like trauma/death to US. soliders is brought up like they're the only one's who exist, the MSM surely won't mention all the Iraqi women US Soldiers have raped as well. Rape the best kept secret of war!

Repeat after everyone else:
"Just don't talk about it. Just don't talk about it. Just don't talk about it..."

What really amazes me is that there might be so many men in our military who hate women on their own side. I can't imagine how this attitude must play out for the Iraqi women.

I gotta say, Duh's comment is ridiculous to me. I really hate it when someone spins things to make the victims into the villains and vice versa. It's the old "Oh, she was asking for it" bit, and that's absurd.

This story is sickening. And people wonder why I don't immediately respect authority... I respect people on a case-by-case basis if they show me that they deserve my respect. It's horrible enough to think about what these soldiers are doing to those they think are their enemies, and now we have to think about what they're doing to the ones that are supposed to be their allies. It's just beyond disgusting.

I think the "War On Terror" is pretty much a crock of shiite, the 911 attacks were allowed to happen, and the present regime is a pure pathocracy from Darth Cheney on down....

Having said all that, let me also say this: Women don't belong in the military. At that rate, neither do gay men except for the hypermasculine ones. I know how offensive that is to the belief system of many of you, but sorry, I don't buy it. The military is NOT "a job like any other". A world where it really was a job like any other, would be a world where the military was not needed.

And in this world populated by this species, the military IS needed....

Yeah, these rapes are an ugly business and of course, the perps should be punished, but this whole thing should never have happened to begin with. Hell, one of the classic functions of the military in a society has always been to round up most of the more aggressive males before they commit actual crimes and corral them off somewhere where their aggression won't harm their own people.

The Dems that keep giving George Whore Bush a blank check for this war are just as guilty as anyone in the Whore (formerly White) House for this war. They may not have been as aggressive in taking control of the military but are fully complicit in what's happening.

NO one should be in combat in Iraq! No one! Period.
We shouldn't have even gone there in the first place! But thanks to the christians and the neocons we're there, and our troops feel like they're being used as cannon fodder while those at the top of the regime get rich. Very VERY rich.
Our troops have to try and secure their own corner of the planet with whatever is doled out to them. They have to protect private contractors who are getting 3-4 times the pay, doing jobs formerly handled by the military. They see private security forces like Blackwater going completely unpunished for any and all atrocities. Not one private contractor has been punished for their actions at Abu Ghirab. Then some frigging Senator in fatigues pops in with an armed convoy and says things are going great, just hang in there guys!
Rape is about power. A soldier getting shit on from all directions is bound to take out his frustration on someone.
Get off your ass and make your Senator and Congressperson do something to end this insane occupation as quickly as possible.
And the H stands for Who gives a rat's ass!

liberal cowards hate the military. Only immature sissies think its honorable or smart to hate the military or not to get involved in the military.

Why do I hear such childish ideology on this site. War is good. War provides you people with a country to hate.

Any population that has women is going to have some of the women rapped or touched. That is nature. I would bet that the rap numbers are smaller then the general college population. In fact the type of young people that enter the military are much more rounded and strong then the whinny college punk.

I've been in college, and I've been in the military, and there's no comparison. Sexual harassment is a constant fact of life for many military women - maybe not those who work in offices and go home in the evening, but for those in the field, especially enlisted women.

Anyway, PBS is trumpeting this report as something new, but Al-Jazeera English had an in-depth report on their "Everywoman" show six months ago. See http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0123C57B-F37F-4F03-977A-3875DC9BE...

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