Warner defects...McCain offers dumbed down version of the Webb amendment: "The Sense of the Senate"
By John Amato Tuesday Sep 18, 2007 3:36pm
I told you that Warner is not to be trusted and is saying now that he'll not vote for Webb's cause. Typical, just typical.
"I endorsed it. I intend now to cast a vote against it."
We expect this from McCain because his whole dysfunctional campaign is hinging on the Iraq war...This "Frank Luntz" talking point nonsense is destroying our country. And they are screwing Webb in the process.
McCain said he and Sen. John Warner (R-VA) have teamed up to put together a “sense of the Senate” amendment to express “very clearly that we all want all our troops home and we understand the stress and strain that’s been inflicted on the men and women in the military and the guard and reserves.”
Webb: I have just learned from Sen. McCain’s comments that Sen. Warner will be offering a side-by-side amendment that goes to the sense of the Congress rather than the will of the Congress. And I would like to state emphatically at the outset that this is a situation that calls for the will of the Congress.
Keep the pressure on and call your representatives. Especially Harry Reid.
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Bastard.
What can you expect from a U.S. Senator who thinks Thomas Jefferson wrote the Constitution. At least that's what he said on CNN.
The word "dummed down" connotes John McCain. What with his obvious frontal lobotomy done while he was captive, it 'splains everything.
As for Warner, it's not a case of 'dumming down'; rather it's a clear case of blackmail.
Why do you think John Warner is leaving public office? Let's have everyone weigh in on this one!
By the time Warner leaves Congress he'll have to have an entourage of paid security people watching his back. Turncoat, charlatan, and criminal - all of these descriptive adjectives can now legitimately be applied to Warner. No fool like an old fool, Johnnie boy!
Ooooh sounds like a big fancy open letter!
Can't get too many letters our of this House and Senate!
Chicken shit son of a bitch! Too damned afraid of the bush administration to do what is right. Anyone who would team up with McCain on anything should just get the hell out of DC and check into the fu*king mental ward. Our soldiers are being treated like hell and all these bastards can think about is saving their own asses. To hell with all of them.
Throw Warner into the pile with Graham and Specter. They are the three that every once in awhile act like they are not in goose-step with the GOP and show a little common sense and maybe they have some ethics or morale background. But then when it comes down to brass tacks or voting they always side with the Prezdent. Warner, Specter, Grahm...phonies.
When can we expect adults to start running congress?
Warner was, no doubt, told either some embarrassing material was about to be released, or that he'd be killed like JFK. Look, if you're a complete asshole, and you have trillions of dollars and all the power in the world, are you going to let some people just take it all away? So what if you destroy a few senators in the process. Holding onto power is all that matters. Read the history of the Roman Empire.
"Sense of the Senate" amendment? LOL! Why not send the troops a heartfelt e-greeting card while you're at it.
Nobody is going to be impressed by this lame ploy.
I knew this would happen. All he's doing is playing a rope a dope with the American people and the Democrats. Warner pulled a Lugar. Both are scum.
I hope no feeble minded dem goes along with this mccain warner bs. Of course I know Lieberman will, he's already made that clear on the floor of the senate today.
Warner, you're a lying prick just like the rest of those republican snotheads! Eff off already, you stupid old man!!
pissed off patricia @ 12:
Can you email me POP?
Does Warner realize how much of a wimp he proves himself to be with his decision? Has he no shame? Maybe he'll hear from the families of the troops. If my husband was in this damned war, warner would surly hear from me.
Yes I can, John. I'll send it now. Am I in trouble? :(
The Webb bill shouldn't be withdrawn. Warner and the other fence sitters should be forced to vote against it. A vote against resting the troops won't look all that good to 2008 voters. Warner isn't up for re-election, but the others are.
Dumbshit dems fell for WARner's bait & switch again. I'd ROFLMAO if I wasn't so sick.
Well, good sense & logic has no effect, maybe we should try Voodoo.
Yep John, you and many, many of us knew that Warner(as like LIE-berman, Specter, Graham) cannot and should never be trusted....they often talk the good talk, but
NOT ONE TIME have they walked the walk. Disgusting and makes me want to puke.
Welcome to the modern day Senate, Sen. Webb. Republicans can't be trusted. They're beholden to their failed ideology, failed IRAQ occupation their failed President more than the Constitution, American people, and US Military.
What is their point in acting like they are going to do something if they know they aren't? It just makes them look squishy and wishy washy. Not a good way to look if you are representing your state in the senate.
Reid/Pelosi. Strong statement issued. Rinse and repeat daily.
John, check your mailbox. You've got mail
When will they ever learn, John?
"Sense of the Senate"? Does not compute.
Since Warner's agreed to play Bush's "rope a dope", why doesn't he just leave office right now - before his term expires. He's just sold his soul to the devil and no one respects him any longer. He will be relegated to a life of disgrace now.
It's clear that Congress is badly "broken" and can no longer be trusted to represent the people. Change your party affiliation to "Independent" if you really want to have some power in the coming election. With the I's now at 36% and rising each day, they will be forced to listen to the people this next time around. The I's will determine the next president of this country. The I's will hold all the cards.
My "Sense of the Senate" is that the Senate is comprised of a bunch of weenies
who will cave in to the President at every important opportunity.
Remember the "Geneva Accord Controversy" wherein Seantors McCain, Graham and Warner
courageously stood up to the President and ultimately gave him everything he wanted, except
that Bush was slightly inconvenienced by these 3 "principled" senators?
Please, these guys are as strong-minded as a package of stale-dated Twinkies.
Warner is just securing his place in American history as an anti-American villain. I'm from Virginia, and I've always known that Warner is not to be trusted. He's an America/Constitution-hating fascist, always has been an America/Constitution-hating fascist and always will be an America/Constituion-hating fascists. He's always wrapped his America/Constitution-hating in the American flag, and been able to get away with it. Warner's agenda has never been anything except securing wealth and power for wealthy and powerful cronies.
What a fucking douchebag. I hope I outlive that rat bastard, just so I can take a dump on his grave.
Paul @ 28:
Paul: I love your last sentence...made me laugh out loud.
Lip service strikes again.
Warner was for it before he was against it.
80 year old Warner looking for daddy in Mccain like Marshall Witmann does
This is all nonsense. The occupation should be over by now. The dems do NOT need to provide any funding at all. They do NOT need to write any legislation. They do NOT need 60 votes. They don't need 66 votes to overcome a filibuster. iTS ALL DAMN LIES.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO A DAMN THING and the occupation will come to an end. Just don't give the war junkie (bush) another (fix) money. The overwhelming majority of the country is behind ending the occupation. Put the ball in Bush's court. Let him decide whether to Bring the troops home or keep them there with no ammunition and supplies and the Republican party will basically implode and disappear from existence. This is THE moment the Dems have been waiting for. But they're too stupid, cowardly or bribed to take advantage of it.
I told you that Warner is not to be trusted and is saying now that he’ll not vote for Webb’s cause.
I agree John. I expect nothing less from either McLame or Warner. Where are all the people from the other thread who told us how great Warner was. Look at the bullshit he pulls after he announces his retirement. Is this how he looks out for the troops? Useless bastard.
How can Republicans claim to be supporting the troops and then pull this stunt? I am totally disgusted with McCain and Warner and those against letting our troops have the same amount of time home as they spend away from their families. Shameful!!
Doggiebobo @ 29:
Me too!
I said it from the beginning....Guys like Warner and Specter will talk tough on the administration, but in the end, they get on their knees as usual. Did Collins vote for it??? I bet not. They're all lemmings. Let them follow this fool over the edge as they head into (forced) retirement.
You know, I just read the C&L Warner retirement thread and there were a bunch of Warner defenders who talked about how great a Senator he is. Here's one quote...
He was a Republican in the days when being Republican and a conservative meant a differing political opinion, not slime and sleaze and corruption. He’s earned the respect of both sides of the political spectrum and spoken out against Bush’s war. He’s one of the rare good guys.
Best of luck to you, Mr. Warner. May whoever replaces you be half as good.
If Warner wants to make himself useful the old bag of crap should just retire right now and let Kaine appoint his successor. Good fucking riddance!
did you really believe that old fart? hes a blowhard !
Kansaskowboy @ 7:
Don't forget to put McCain on that list! He has a real genius for cultivating a rep for "straight talk" and his "maverick" positions - but when push comes to shove, he never puts his money where his mouth is. I despise that hypocrite more than I do the outright wingnuts - because he will stab you in the back every time. Some "hero." He got shot down. I wouldn't have wanted to go through what he did, but he didn't exactly volunteer for the Hanoi Hilton and he has ridden that horse for 30 years while wearing out several sets of kneepads on the man who trashed a real hero, John Kerry.
He has no conviction he won't compromise - including torture. (Which he made a lot of noise about, convincing the unaware that he was sincere - then voting to essentially let Bush torture whoever he wants.) If he will cave on THAT after his experience, he has no right to pretend that experience has any meaning at all.
That follows a lifetime career of saying one thing - loudly - and quietly going along with the honest fascists. I am so grateful his campaign is tanking.
pissed off patricia @ 16:
nah hes in need of another monotor!
Senator Warner - A Betrayal of Trust
Would that some Dem say to hell with senate protocol and stand up and tell Warner and McPain-in-the-ass to take their 'sense of the senate resolution' and shove it up their joint derierres. Every Dem should then get up and walk out of the chamber.
it seems as though every week i get to say..yet another example of repubes getting credit for saying and not doing. "all the sizzle without the steak" . and MSM made warner look like he was a man determined to help the troops get home. un-Fing believable. how many times in the past 6+ years have we been served non-binding resolutions by repubes. and most americans think the dems do not want to act on these issues. make the others aware that repubes have been blocking at every opportunity.
Thank God Warner is retiring. May we get Mark in his place.
No surprise here. No surprise at all.
Warner's a hypocrite, McCain's a scumbag, and the Republicans care more about their party than the country or the troops, for that matter.
The Champ is out.
To Republicans, soldiers are just another kind of worker... and their attitude toward workers is "screw 'em ... take what you can get as cheap as you can get it, and then throw out the carcass."
The Walter Reed Hospital fiasco made that quite clear... as does the long, sordid history of the Republican Party's abject non-support of veterans. Just like they support children (rhetorically, if not actually) all the way up until birth, they support the troops (again rhetorically, if not actually) all the way up until they come home... and now they say "you ain't even coming home." Disgraceful. Simply disgraceful.
"Sense of the Senate"? Everyone knows there is very little sense in the Senate. However, there are still as whole bunch of Senators (or pretend Senators) who still are engaged in aiding and abetting a criminal and treasonous administration in their lies, obfuscation, hiding of evidence, shredding of the Constitution and total and utter disrespect for any of our unformed men and women. By their own actions, they have sent a message, loud and clear, that they prefer the company of elitist criminals than they care about the American public or the laws of the land. And, if you think this a strong statement, consider this: I used to be a Republican and no, I am not a "liberal". Got it?
A major disappointment by Warner.
One request — this is a great post, but can we not depict the execrable Luntz as the wise and good Yoda? How about a Sith Lord instead?
Warner is a flip flopping Bush loyalist. Who has no self respect for what he has allowed the Military to be harnessed with. Warner encouraged Bush and still does... So what if people die for no reason but treason..........................
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