In the online exclusive Real Time Overtime, Bill Maher and guests Rob Thomas, Janeane Garafalo and Salman Rushdie weigh in on current events.
(h/t Heather for vids)
Personally, I like Bill's idea for OJ. Maybe the press would do a better job.
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Let's start an IMPEACH NOW GUERRILLA WAR on the MAINSTREAM MEDIA
Maher's one liners are always top notch
Good clip, although I think the point that the Dems have horrible PR people and campaign managers is well covered territory. At least it feels like it in the blog-o-sphere. I'm still waiting for the guy/gal that has a good team behind them on top of being a good candidate.
I must say i've never watched this show in its entirety before. Full disclosure the most i've seen was an extended clip from Newsbusters.org.. But from what i've seen, i don't think this type of format will be converting any non-believers and republicans any time soon. It seems cathartic for the guests but does not show them in the best light. The extemporaneous nature plus the fact that they are with like minded people means that more outlandish thoughts get out there with out a filter or chance for rebuttal. Frankly not the best type of dialogue.
"There is a reason rightwingers are rightwingers. It's because they are assholes" Janeane Garafalo
Truest line on the clip!!!!!!!!
McCain doesnt know what he's talking about(torture) .Because he had a bad experience with it.......there was a time when McCain made some sense..
i think most people would have had a bad experience with torture. could you please clarify?
Here are some pics from my first annual Iraq Morqatorium Day:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2007/09/moratorium-day.html
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So funny what Garafalo said about right-wingers being assholes. I've said that for years-- they're drawn to that party not for it's platform, but because they're assholes. The actual politics are only a vehicle for being an asshole; that's why the GOP can get people to support policies that actually undermine their interests. They're not paying attention to the policies, only the aggressive politics.
What they care about is the vitriol and the conflict. It's something I've noticed after countless times arguing about things like Habeas Corpus with conservatives. They only support it because it pisses off the people they hate. The GOP is comprised of a bu
scarlet p. @ 8:
I know it would be harder to do, but the correct term for your sign would be "The Occupation Is A Lie" or "Invading Iraq For Lies" or, or, or....other than that, one word.....awesome!!!
American Pundit Fighting @ 7:
certainly....in the vid clip Maher states that there was atime when McCain came out against torture.... and someone attacked him for being against it..then he was for it....if anyone knows torture it's McCain.....but he folded .
I like these types of discussions on a comedy show where they can actually be serious and it's not always about making a joke out of it.
I like how you lead with OJ's name in the title enforcing what they were talking about. Perhaps if Dan Rather's name was in there it wouldn't make people as interested. :P
I actually like what Dan Rather is doing and hopefully it'll change things considering where we're headed. With the push for war with Iran coming I wonder if the media is going to help sell the lies again or will some finally take a stand?
Presentation is everything and the thugs know this all too well. They choreograph the lies that feed their agenda. Anyone who stands up to those lies are silenced with polished ad hominem. Most people are too busy to research the truth and buy into the sound bites.
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
yenehC hcaepmI @ 11:
Discussions like this have taken over from the serious political discussion that used to happen on those old PBS shows that none of us have the time to watch anymore. ALL our political discussion is happening on comedy shows, and is being led by comedians.
When C&L posts the Sunday talking head thread -- I never watch the Sunday talk shows. I don't watch the Monday through Friday talk shows, or the Saturday talk shows. I watch Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, and Bill Maher. I rented Lewis Black's Red White and Screwed to get some first-rate political commentary.
I must say it's a treat seeing Salman Rushdie out and about.
Presentation is everything.
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Seems the only way the people are getting the real news is through a number of very brave comedians . . . i.e. Stewart, Colbert, Maher, etc. I am very proud of them. I am in hopes the Rather case will convert hard core journalists to join their goal of informing the American public of what is truly going on.
mudshark @ 10:
Yeah, I remember around the 2000 election, McCain was even taking part on drafting an international anti-torture provision or treaty. Then when torture became synonymous with Freedom™, and if you were against it, then you appeased terrorists, McCain capitulated faster than a Frenchman facing a Nazi soldier.
American Pundit Fighting @ 4:
Maher generally has a mix on his panel. This is actually one of the few where they're all leftists.
I agree with the rest of your post, even though I hate the reality of it. If you're not sugarcoating it, Americans are not going to listen.
You can't call the ignorant "ignorant" because you're not being nice and respectful, and you might hurt their feelings.
Those that are viewed as abrasive, like Maher, or Christopher Hitchens, are those I truly respect because they do not sugarcoat anything, and they do not dumb down their material for the general public.
#14: McCain capitulated faster than a Frenchman facing a Nazi soldier.
Can we do better than this? Those who died fighting the Nazis can't answer to that, and Americans aren't standing up to OUR fascists. We should change our flag to only white. Please keep it personal to McCain's own capitulation.
Hey, part of their point was that the dems are trying to play nice against completely soulless repubs. And that is true. All the dems I know, and I work with a majority of dems, still want to play nice after all these years of repub nastiness. Many are too young though to even remember Reagan, let alone remember Nixon. They do remember the Clinton years and they like Clinton because they think she will fight back. Dems are just too darn nice!
there is no longer a good excuse why democrats are not standing up forcefully to the current regime. these people are not dumb. if we can figure it out, then they sure as hell should too. their lack of action MUST be considered willful. make a list of those who are not doing enough, a big list i grant you, and make sure they get the message next time it comes time to vote.
Excellent panel this time. The idea for OJ is one that I would strongly support. He needs to finally pay for his murderous crimes.
And, virtually all republicans who have aided and abetted the cheney/bush administration ARE assholes. We didn't get to where we are by compassionate conservatism!
it's true that Dems are bad at PR, but isn't it equally true the American people are woefully uninformed? Isn't the fact that we have the problems we have not because of what the Republicans say but the fact that the majority of people in America just roll over and go along with the loudest voice? I actually heard a repug say (a week ago) that what ever you think about Dubya he stands behind his convictions...I said back, yes but when all of his previous convictions turned out to be horrible failures he had his Daddy and the Saudis to bail him out...now it's our soldiers lives that are being spent to bail him out of his worst disaster ever and we are not failing because he stood behind his convictions, we are failing because the Saudis and pappy Bush can't help him this time.
I will always believe America is the greatest country in the world, but I am more and more believing that the American people are not worthy of such a great country...and due to their lack of interest...they just might loose it, unfortunately so will we.
Democrats should not only be doing as much as they can to show that the REPUBLICANS lost the war, They should be constantly bringing to the new the DANGERS of having an outfit like BLACKWATER who's only purpose is the Iraq situation. Therefore they smuggle in weapons for insurgents to keep the war (their bread and butter and fun) going. The Danger? Well, what happens after Iraq? Do you think these guys will go quietly into the night? Just disarm and disband ...? I seriously doubt that. They will either start a new war (well underway by now, in IRAN.
But think of this ... is the Right-wing GOP NeoCon PNAC group willing to give up power?
Do any of you doubt for one minute that they would perhaps use Blackwater against Americans.
Every Marine who has been in the service lately know the question the military asks it's people ... Would you take up arms against Americans if ordered to do so ... most answer no ... hence Blackwater.
America should be nervously noticing this Blackwater event and doing every thing in it's power to outlaw the group and disband it.
This is a subject talked about every night in nightspots where ex-pats hang out.
We need to make sure the news stays focused on this..
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 20:
Amen to that friend.
12 slippytoad Says:
Discussions like this have taken over from the serious political discussion that used to happen on those old PBS shows that none of us have the time to watch anymore. ALL our political discussion is happening on comedy shows, and is being led by comedians.
When C&L posts the Sunday talking head thread — I never watch the Sunday talk shows. I don’t watch the Monday through Friday talk shows, or the Saturday talk shows. I watch Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, and Bill Maher. I rented Lewis Black’s Red White and Screwed to get some first-rate political commentary.
I must say it’s a treat seeing Salman Rushdie out and about.
I think these types of shows help get the issues in front of the younger crowd and hopefully get them to pay attention.
Jon Stewart and Bill Maher seem to be the ones that have more serious discussions on the issues when they have guests on. I like Colbert as well, but he tries to make a joke out of everything as he stays in character. He's still fun to watch though.
Yes, it is good seeing Salman Rushdie!
what did they sensure that garoffolo was saying? anybody know? and no wonder BM thinks 9/11 wasn't a "false-flag" operation... he didn't even know about the bush/bin laden/arlisle group/dubai connections --- and got reeeeeally uncomfortable hearing about it too - he's just another zionist/neo-con shill
There is no hope for America if people can't see the fraud in the Democrat vs Republican debate. It's so obvious with the Bushes and Clintons vacationing together; and Mary Matalin being married to the big mouth bald guy (can't remember his name). But anyways, the old saying "divide and conquer" is in play here. They bring up issues that divide the Blacks and Whites, the gays vs straights, etc. All politician are bought and paid-for corporate whores doing what the corporate elite tell them to do. The elite wanted a war in Iraq and they got it. They want a war in Iran and they'll get it, too.
I wish Janeane Garafalo would return my emails. :(
barry @ 27:
you are certainly right bill mahers is a blow hard that shoots his mouth off and isnt as smart as he thinks he is , the only thing thats worth watching this boob for is he does cut bush and cheny up, i think hes sucking to much weed before his show to be anything other then a hopped up ego freak!
IMO, Rushdie made the best point, that the right is very good at changing the subject. What else can they do? They can't face the issues head on because Bush has fouled their nest so much, all they can do is duck, dodge, distract and make fear and smear attacks.
Any Democratic candidate who isn't planning for being up against the dirtiest campaign ever seen is a fool.
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 20:
I agree with most of what you just said. However, I would like the canard that Americans are not informed or misinformed to stop. Most Americans do not suffer from a lack of information, they are willingly ignorant. Two very different things. A big chunk of our population is made of assholes, who would rather endure all sorts of hardship if that means that none of their precious tax dollars goes to help another fellow human being. And then the other significant chunk of the population simply uses denial as their modus operandi. The few souls left, god bless their heart, are the only ones doing their civic duty of seeking information and reaching their own conclusions. The percentage is, I am afraid, just too small to stop the sunset looming over this once great nation.
I always got a chuckle about the typical fat, lazy American taking credit for his grand daddy's generation accomplishments when laughing at the French as surrender monkeys. When facing with the same dilemma: a threat to their rights and social interests, the French person will be on the streets fighting in the barricades in two seconds flat... while the American will be sitting in his laz-boy thinking that cursing at yet another commercial break during his mind numbing reality show is somehow "doing something." So remind me who is the surrender monkey. Because all I have seen for decades is the American public rolling one more time every time another freedom or right is compromised.
Protect your rights, because you can't assume somebody else will do it for you. Some Americans are such lazy bastards that they assume they can outsorce even the protection of their own rights and interests...
If I were on the jury, I'd GIVE CBS to Dan Rather...that would be fun to watch.
Ex-Canuck @ 22:
Conservatives by definition are not compassionate, therefore "compassionate conservatism" is one of the greatest oxymoron ever pushed. In almost any other country, they would have laughed out of town. However, I am still deciding whether it was because GOPers are so good at branding or because most Americans are dumber than a bag of bricks the reason why the GOP got away with it.
I am expecting to hear the new slogan for the right: "Heavenly Evil" or "Shit, shinier than gold!" I can't wait to see the masses of Midwesterners hoarding copious amounts of feces thinking they are millionaires. "Hey them TV people said shit is shinier than gold, and yes... under the right light, it sort of shines... plus the TeeVee would never lie. Who would have known we were so rich all along? Think about all the gold I literally "flushed" all these years! Thanks GOP for setting me straight, damn you liberals for making me think that sanitation was a good thing!"
This MO happens over and over again. You can see a conservative say with a straight face how "Universal health care" is a horrible thing. Universal as in meaning that everyone should have access to health care. And you will never see a journalist ask back: "So basically what you are saying that having people without access to health care is a good thing" (i.e. if what he says is true, the opposite should also hold true). Only then you would see them squeal and try to defend their twisted logic. However that never happens, and the conservative gets to plant its talking point unchallenged. Then some moron listens to it, and thinks to himself... "Gee wiz, I can't afford health care and I am sick as a dog... but that nice person on the TeeVee said that me having access to health care is a bad thing. And Conservatives are Compassionate, so they know what they are talking about. So why on earth would I assume I had the right to be cured? I can now die happy that at least the goodness of America is now preserved, damn liberals almost got me health care? What were they thinking assholes... trying to cure me. Who do they think they are trying things like universal health care? Don't they know it is a "horrible" thing?"
What I like about Maher is he goes for the jugular with the truth the way the Rethugs go for the jugular with lies. Maher calls the Rethugs out for the low life scum and political hacks they are. He understands when dealing with these right wing bullies you can't play nice, they don't understand nice, or diplomacy, or adult professionism, or working with the party across the aisle, and they certainly don't understand the truth. You have to kick these thugs in political groin with the truth and kick them hard. Maher and Olbermann are two of the best at it.
imo, bill maher does more harm than good.
if you watch his show from an israeli point of view...he's a pretty cool motherfarker.
in this liberals eyes...he's as demeaning to freedom and the truth as fox news.
his agenda is akin to the zionists.
it's all about personal wealth and pleasure...at someone elses expense.
we stole this land from the 'indians' remember?
-bills 'protected' bong hits have fried his sense of reason.
look at american 'manifest destiny' and the creation of zionist israel.
they are from the same playbook.
who is buttering your bread, bill?
Bill doesn't bring up the subject of US empire much, does he? It seems his hatred of all things Bush keeps him from seeing the Democrats as the other side of the same imperialist coin.
Bill also seems to have a Muslim problem, and it sticks out like a sore thumb every time he paints Islam as a violent religion (e.g., the show a few weeks ago with Cornel West, Mos Def).
Does he really think most Muslims are potentially violent Jihadists? I sure hope not; if he truly does, then he's no better than the fearmongering/warmongering conservatives he slags off on every show.
It's also hard to believe a smart guy like Bill can't see the 'Divide and Conquer' strategy that the US is employing in Iraq---i.e., that the sectarian violence is the direct result of the US occupation. The US wants to keep the Iraqis fighting amongst themselves so they don't come together and fight the US occupation. The sectarian strife also provides the US with the pretext it needs to establish a long-term military presence in the country.
Of course, Bill thinks it's just all about religious hatred going back "1400 years".
As Stephen Gowans states, in 'Divide Et Impera':
"Western politicians portray Iraq as a country whose simmering sectarian tensions were held in check by the brutal repression of Saddam Hussein, a Sunni who ruled on behalf of the Sunni population and its political vehicle, the Baath party. It's only now that Mr. Hussein's tyranical rule has ended that sectarian conflict has slipped its restraints and come to the surface. At least, that's the favored US view. Trouble is, it's a crock of shit. When "the Committee of Debaathification issued a list of 100,000 senior Iraqi Baathists who would not be allowed to enjoy government posts," 66,000 of them turned out to be Shiites (4). And anyone who cared to check the deck of cards used to list the 55 top Iraqi officials the US invasion force wanted dead or alive, would discover that half were Shiite, and the remainder a mix of Sunnis, Christians and Kurds (5).
The former Ottoman territory that is now Iraq was governed as a single territory before 1880. The three provinces that were pieced together in 1921 to form modern Iraq had no "clear sectarian identities (6)." "For much of Iraq's history, the two communities (Shia and Sunni) co-existed peacefully (7)."
http://www.trinicenter.com/articles/2007/220807.html
Does Maher really think the Democrats---i.e., representatives of imperialist capital's liberal wing---will pull the plug on the war and walk away from all that oil?
He's dreaming if he does.
bauer @ 36:
So I you would put Bill Maher in the same category with Joe Lieberman I guess? Interesting.
I've said exactlythe same thing Bill did there at the end: The Democrats are in SEVERE need of a PR makeover.
When Romney can release a new ad complaining of "Big spending Democrats" and no one blinks, you know you've got a PR problem.
Bill B. @ 18:
Please be mindful of your terminology. People "on the Left" are not "Leftists" any more than "Christian Scientists" believe in science.
A "Leftist" is a Marxist.
I thought it sucked that Scheuer got booed for stating that Israel's security was not worth American lives or money. Bill has become quite the vocal Zionist. Jeanine Garafalo had a more balanced view on Palestine and Israeli propaganda. Rushdie was also correct in observing that the elimination of Israel would not stop Islamic terrorism, that it goes beyond that.
bauer @ 36:
the look of horror on bill mildews face when that guy who was on the tv monitor declared israel was a waste of americas concern was priceless the guy allso said israel wasnt worth one american takeing a bullet for or sending millions of our tax dollars to, and mahers got so bent out of shape like he gives a shit about israel, isreals a country stolen from others and should stand or die on thier own hook, the reason the mid east hates our guts is we allow israel to bomb the shit out of lebannon and palistine then send a bitch like candy ass rice over to offer lebannon money for isreals butchering thier people and then she moves on to israel to hand them more bunker busters to kill more lebbanese with, and mahers got his shit hot in the week before his diatride about folks who dont believe this governments lies about 911 and this black rapper or what ever he was told mahers he was full of shit to believe 19 arabs did 911, so he got his last licks in against that rapper by his 911 conspiracy denial, hes a vindictive bastard and never wrong about anything!
"So I you would put Bill Maher in the same category with Joe Lieberman I guess? Interesting."
as long as bill is 'comfortable' ie "legally stoned" and wealthy and getting his knob pollished by hookers...he will tow the 'party' line.
'party' as in...the "rich fark the poor"...but try to act like one of the people.
-why doesn't he get busted for transporting, smoking or dealing weed?
ask yourself that.
if he's got smoke on him at any time...he could be busted easily.
he is way too public about his hatred for us laws concerning pot...to not get his ass busted at some time.
-unless he's connected...which he is.
i find him to be a closeted zionist, in waiting.
he would probably embrace the new order.
yes...he's like lieberman, imo.
tyree...i always enjoy your comments.
i lurk here a lot.
i feel you have a good heart and tell it like it is.
keep on keepin' on.
-twb
Mugsy @ 40:
So a "rightwinger" is then a fascist?
Also, please be advices that "Marxism" does not exist as a political affiliation. As Marx was just a philosopher/economist who made a set of observations most of which had little to do with politics and more to do with economic and social theory. What is usually ill-defined as "Marxism" is actually "Leninism."
Advises == Advised, damn spell check.
bauer @ 45:
thnx bauer you posts hit the mark i enjoy seeing them
BTW, O.J. did go to Iraq in a cartoon parody of The Simpsons called "The O.J. Simpsons".
American Pundit Fighting @ 4:
It's called "Preaching to the Choir", but boy do you look smart, such big words...lol
what was going on during the OJ "trial of the century"? Wm Pepper proving James Earl Ray innocent
there's mp3s on it- his books are An Act of State and Orders to Kill
Pepper said his friends in the media told him they'd lose their job for mentioning his book/s
Murdoch tried to get him to take out the chapter on the army role in memphis
I have to say, if the Democrats themselves are spending all their time in front of the cameras making their respective cases. Their not applying their time to the meat and potatoes of the legislative/representative jobs.
Thats why Repubs don't know what they vote loyal to Bush and party on. They simply vote party loyalty. Their too busy in front of cameras, taking bribes, and giving bribes as no bid contractors, and frothing up divisive hate in the country to our dismay.
tyree @ 43:
I guess I wasn't the only one who noticed this. Very telling series of events. For logical-thinking people to deem 911 conspiracy as implausible and believe Israel has the moral hi-hand in the middle east conflicts, there is purposeful obfuscation in play.
Maher reminds us: "When good men do nothing, evil prevails."
It's untrue that the DNC is stuck: DNC could zero-out funds in Committee; and jointly agree in the DNC Caucaus before entering the bill into either Committee agenda-- without a conference committee -- to common language. There are ways for the DNC to bypass the GOP "obstruction," the DNC refuses to.
The problem, Robt, is that Democratic congresscritters are spending NO time in front of the cameras, except when they occasionally step out with speechifying designed to offend no one and say nothing.
Since they haven't made a single case for their bills to the American people, the Repugs feel free to vote them down, and furthermore have a voting threshold of 60% instead of 50% that the Dems have to pass, given to them by Reid for free. Because all they have to do is threaten a filibuster and not actually have to carry it out. And of course the Dems stay silent on this.
So by staying silent, they have ensured continuous failure. Heckuva job, Harry!
If you wont stand up, why shoul dothers?
Mugsy @ 41:
The left is a broad term used to describe people who are generally against government intervention in social policy (some are for government intervention in economic policy, called socialists; others are against government intervention in economic policy, called libertarians; and most fall somewhere in-between).
The suffix "-ist" refers to a follower of something. Using your example, a Marxist is a follower of Karl Marx's ideologies. A Baptist is a follower of that religion's principles. So, "leftist" refers to anyone who generally is against government intervention in social policy.
I do regret one thing in my comment though -- generalizing. It's something I try not to do, but I'm not perfect. :)
"Bill Maher and guests Rob Thomas, Janeane Garafalo and Salman Rushdie weigh in on current events."
That pretty much sums it up, a real think tank at work!!
No, I saw it as well and everyone can see it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2tv82Gwo7i0
Bill panders to Zionism and AIPAC. He really did reveal himself last night.
PunPhace @ 53:
here are the censured words of ms garofalo [CENSURED WORDS IN BRACKETS]: GAROFALO: "THE WAY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA PORT [RAYS THE PALESTINIANS IS SO UNFAIR.] YOU SHUT HIM DOWN WITH YOUR TONE OF VOICE..... so the censured line was actually: "THE WAY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA PROTRAYS THE PALESTINIANS IS SO UNFAIR." i cannot tell you all the reasons that censuring is suspect but i believe it speaks volumes about the corporate media's intent to control and propagate the message as it concerns a paricular agenda. think about... read about it: http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm -- http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/20/the-colbert-report-naomi-wolf-o... ----and do some elementary math. good night... and good luck!
Whoa @ 59:
Salman Rushdie has done more thinking about things that matter than entire thanks of conservative American thinkers. You ought to read what he writes from time to time.
slippytoad @ 62:
Tanks of conservative thinkers. TANKS, I said.
That was correct. The Dems have terrible PR people. They come across like a bunch of pussies anyone is free to walk over; to abuse. And they get abused because of it. I cringe at some of their pronouncements. I know what they mean, but they don't say it well. Not at all. One must be firm-- no wiggle room, no room for "mis-interpretation." They need to get anrier, not just walk away like sad puppies.
Whoa @ 59:
Anyone with a brain, my friend. Anyone with a brain. You don't need credentials if you have something intelligent to say. Credentials are just paper. Bush has some papers too, but look what an ass he is.
American Pundit Fighting @ 4:
Often they have liberals and conservatives. both. This one not. I enjoy listening to the show. I often check out Real Time online. It's a talk segment, they're not making policy, just tossing out ideas to think about; many good. We need more of this rational discussion, instead of sound-bytes and ranting.
C&L's comments section usually does it for me on a daily basis, but this clip was sweet :D
I really miss Janeane!
I don't completely buy the line that the Democrats are incompetent at PR while the Republicans are masters. No matter how clever a message may be, it has to be carried to be heard. Perhaps the reason the talking points of the Right are more widely disseminated is just simply that the media is more willing to promote them. It is kinda like Top-40 radio. The best songs don't always get played the most.
This group is entirely self-deluded. They hold the keys to their own success in their hands, they openly discuss them, but gee, they want to maintain the "high line". They won't stoop to any tactic that the Republicans use to actually win an election. They want to be sure to appeal to the top 5% of the actual thinking population. That is victory enough, certainly. If only everyone could be as thoughtful, and well-reasoned as all of their sorry asses.
Make a play for black voters by highlighting a race-based issue? No, we couldn't do that.
Call the Republicans out for LOSING THE WAR? Not on my watch says Maher. That would not be sporting.
Honestly, WTF is wrong w/ these people? Stop trying to win an argument w/ a Poly Sci major, and get in the f-ing dog fight that is the winning the votes of the unwashed populace that barely passed the 10th grade. They happen to be about 80% of the people, oh clueless talking heads!
Mugsy @ 40:
Yes but who OWNS the media? There is a reason democrats don't get as much coverage. There is a reason they keep talking about Hillary like she's already got the nomination. This country is OWNED by private corporations. At the rate we are going in about 20 years it will be 1984.
Ali is completely correct. Just because you have not heard anyone raise a complaint about the outrageous claims the Republicans make does not mean they were not made. It just means that you have not heard them. Perhaps everyone IS up in arms about these absurd statements and declarations but this fact is just not "reported" on the tv. A message needs a medium in which to be carried. He who controls the medium controls the message. How could it be otherwise?
"Yes but who OWNS the media? There is a reason democrats don’t get as much coverage. There is a reason they keep talking about Hillary like she’s already got the nomination. This country is OWNED by private corporations. At the rate we are going in about 20 years it will be 1984."
i've got news for you: we have less than one year of any resonance of democracy. america is dead.
Stunning @ 54:
...something imho, to believe is a worthy daily mantra bringing meaning into life...
We already know what you think of OJ. You've made that clear in a previous post. You want him jailed, hidden away, strung up. And of course, the majority of the public agrees with you, so that makes it right. (Sound familiar?) You condemn someone found innocent under our law (whether or not you like it.) So you want done to him what you condemn bush for doing with people who are far more likely to harm America than OJ is. You are just as wrong as bush is - maybe more so. You hold yourself out as a defender of freedom. You hypocrite.
It's called "Preaching to the Choir", but boy do you look smart, such big words...lol
Zing!
LAFilmGuy @ 3:
Haha! Do you really think this will ever happen??
LOL
the problem is that an amazing number of democratic strategists, pundits and advisors are 1: moles... 2: blackmailed into undermining the dem party by information and evidence collected through a sophisticated surveillance and wiretapping program directed at the GOP's political opponents that is legal and makes watergate look like gladys kravitz,,, and 3: a mainstream media dominated entirely by a corporate cabal so dedicated to the right's fascist agenda that it is nothing more that a fine-tuned covert propaganda machine skillfully, articulately and surgically manipulating the message, the dialogue and the tone successfully sabotaging the democrats on each and every issue.
think about it and be fucking piratical: in a world with an america exercising free, legitimate press not only would this administration had been impeached, charged, tried and convicted of high crimes and misdemeanors on a historic scale -- wait . . . that is a false argument because there never would have been a president appointed by the supreme court... or any of the deregulations resulting in a mainstream media dominated entirely by a corporate cabal --- the press would have remained independent acting as a fourth branch of government (instead of dick cheney) as our forefathers intended -- to act as the people's watchdog by keeping them informed while calling bullshit when necessary.
here's what we know as FACT!
~the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections were completely fabricated and fraudulent.
~iraq had no WMD's, had NOTHING to do with 9/11 (i am being so kind on this subject), and WAS NOT seeking yellowcake uranium from niger.
~no bid contracts
~katrina
~a civil war NOT al qaida (you would have to be a miss teen S.C. contestant, college republican or billio culture warrior to actually buy in to the "fight them there so they don't come here" hypothesis.
~blackwater
~abu ghraib
~abramoff
~habeas corpus
~torture
~plamegate (here's one that totally fucking blows me away! TREASON FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!) sonofabitch!
~illegal wire-tapping
~downing street memos
~halliburton (far more there than "no bid" ---)
~secrecy --- secrecy -- secrecy --
~blowing off subpoenas
~ALL THE MISSING EMAILS AND GONZO B.S. --- WOW WOW WOW
do you think if our press was even remotely legit anything bush says would be presented with the legitimacy and respect he gets? GEN PATREAUS DID GODDAMNED BETRAY US -- EVERYONE KNOWS IT! EVERYONE!!!!!!!
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