One <i>possible</i> reason Kucinich and Gravel are low in the polls?
By bluegal Sunday Sep 23, 2007 11:55am
The pollsters aren't asking about them:
My New Hampshire phone rings (caller ID 000-000-0000 WTF?)and I pick it up out of curiosity. "This is (talking like a magpie so I haven't got a clue what the name of the company is) Research. Would you like to be part of a poll for the Democratic presidential primary candidate?" I agree and the woman rapidly reads the list of candidates. "Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Dodd, Biden and Richardson." I say, "Kucinich." The woman on the phone says "Who?" I say, "Kucinich. Dennis Kucinich." I hear coaching in the background - apparently the call is being monitored. "I'm sorry, but Dennis Kucinich is not on our list. Is there anyone on the list I gave you who you would vote for?"
So there you have it. Kucinich is down in the polls because he isn't included in the polls . . . and you can forget about Gravel, too.
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but how could you want Kucinich as president, he looks like an elf. I certainly wouldn't want a beer with him. Thompson, now there's a man I could have a drink with. I bet he smells great
That's SO F'ed UP!
What the hell do you want? Democracy?
If we had a democracy, Al Gore would be President and C&L probably wouldn't even exist.
Someone needs to get a recording.
Of course, it's also possible that not everything can be explained by conspiracy theories.
Drat! I thought I was gonna be frist, and unhappy. Turns out, I'm third, and still unhappy.
I wonder if this is a continuation of Mike and Dennis' exclusion from the Iowa steak fry, because they refuse to endorse the primary schedule?
I really wish I could forget about Gravel!
FWIW, Ron Paul is also left out of the Repub polls too even in Texas! how rude!
Corporatism at it's best.
You can't forget this is a country that gets off on a night of competitive explosives on the 4th of July, going long after dark, complete with so-called adult neighbor woman running down the street with sparklers, drunk off her @ss, giggling and snorting like a hyena, making a complete fool of herself.
Do people realize how idiotic they look?
Polls are expensive to conduct, and as such, they are rarely undertaken without an agenda.
A whole Industry has been developed and it is a Science to be able to influence the outcome of a poll based on the phrasing of the Questions asked.
Corporatists don't want Dennis Kucinich to be Presidents, which is one of the main reasons why he's got my vote!
If you haven't yet, check out Instant Runoff Voting, a viable alternative to our draconian "winner take all system."
www.fairvote.org
WOW !!! That should be a BIG Eye-Opener America.
Unfortunately, no one has ever given Dennis (or Mike) any chance. For proof all you have to do is look at some of the comments on the lefty blogs. 90% of those are snide, condescending remarks about someone most people know very little about. I think it comes from Liberals wanting someone that can win the general election, and I'm not sure Dennis can, the way politics are in this country at this time.
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
Dude, we're neighbors!?!
All Denny has to do is speak with a southern drawl when he's down south and he's a winnuh, ya'll...
Of course, the man wouldn't stoop to such tactics.
Eamon @ 1:
LOL, nice little humour there.
Joementum @ 14:
Snip . . . . .
"The proliferation of noise culture impedes our diplomatic efforts to quiet down hellish neighbors, because better citizens have been reduced by media messages to the status of uptight, intolerant jerks who don't like music or motorcycles or comedy or fun - we don't fit in with the prevailing attitudes in the media-centric society, and we're finding ourselves on par with religious fanatics when it comes to how the media treat us. It doesn't matter if we, in fact, do enjoy music, are fun people, and aren't unreasonable folks - our die is already cast."
Exactly the reason why we should all pass on information about Dennis ourselves, we can't depend on the media or even the Democratic National Committee to do it for us. Surprise them all, vote Kucinich in the primary's. All their heads will explode! Then in November 2008 vote Kucinich for president. Then we can start to take our country back and restore our rights.
Sounds like it was Opinion Research, CNN's polling company that happens to be owned by major Clinton backer Vinod Gupta. (InfoUSA bought Opinion Research a couple of years ago, wonder why?)
You are correct that there is a whole industry for creating and manipulating polls. They only matter insofar as they effect elections -- they are utter garbage otherwise. Remember how we were told of the vast percentage of Americans who supported the war? Yeah, right, we are all idiots. They certainly never called me or any of the people that I knew.
I did some phone calling to invite people to a Barack Obama event. (I would have never imagined that I would cold call strangers, I'm incredibly shy -- but it wasn't bad.) Well over %80 of the people we called were not home. That tells you how unreliable the polls are -- especially as noted in the original post now that people have caller ID.
Don't you far-left bloggers know, you're running the Democrat Party? Why are you wasting your time here? Head on down to your local Democrat Party HeadQuartes, put your feet up, and start issuing orders !
Reader @ 3:
QFT
Ford first produced cars in any color you wished, as long as it was black
Let's have Dennis Kucinich VS Ron Paul......can't loose then. Wouldn't that matchup blow their minds!
What EJG said!
What would happen if, just an experiment (since this whole thing is a game anyway....), we all added or mentioned or included or referenced Dennis Kucinich (in large part due to his Department of Peace initiative) to any poll phone calls or questionnaires or reporters asking about the Democratic line-up? This regardless of which candidate you truly are voting for. After all, it is too soon to know for sure. I don't know I'm voting for yet. I just know they're a Democrat. Who knows, Oprah might jump into the race!
It would skew polling data so much that the MSM wouldn't know what to do with itself. I would be funny just to watch the parade of obscure authors and pundits they'd trot out to explain...statistical anomalies!
Kucinich so far is the only one talking in a 21st century way, active peace versus knee-jerk war. And I think that's the most important question for any candidate: Which one is going to lead with new, 21st century solutions instead of repeating old behaviors and mistakes?
The fact that the Fascist group that currently runs this country goes to this extent to keep D.K. out of the media attention makes it obvious his stance on the issues is best for American citizens.
kooch is the best bet we have for pulling us out of this mess. which is exactly why he'll never be president.
I guess this makes their POLL worth Zip ...
Here's a story just came out in CNN.
The Donald: Time for Bush to go into 'hiding'
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Donald Trump has some advice for President Bush if he wants a Republican to win the White House: Hide.
Donald Trump told CNN Monday President Bush is a "huge" liability to his party.
Dodd is the only candidate that has said he will fully restore the constitution and congressional oversight when he reaches the white house. He has my vote. He makes sense on renewable energy. He has my vote. He was courageous and stood up to this administration and did what he could to block the confirmation of Bolton and was steadfast in demanding documents about that confirmation. He has my vote. Stop watching TV. Start reading. I know I am preaching to the choir but if America is to be restore the television drones need to awaken to printed media.
Commander_Frank @ 25:
That's a good point ... Anything the Republicans stand for is exactly what we need.
Bangkok-Bob @ 27:
I think it's too damn late for that.
I think maybe big media, moneyed interests and especially big business has been picking our presidents longer than we think. When was the last truly honest election held? I say get rid of the electoral college for starters.
A Richard Head @ 30:
I sure hope so. We also need more seats in the House and Senate, 51 is not enough because of the 2/3 vote grapple..
I think they should have left Biden off the list too.
I voted for Nader in 2000, and to this day, whenever someone complains about something, I say, "Don't worry, President Nader will take care of it. Except no one voted for him..."
In '04, I voted AGAINST Bush, not necessarily FOR Kerry.
In '08, I hope to vote for Kucinich, but if the repubs nominate a real asshole, I'll have to vote for the dem front runner.
michael @ 26:
THAT is what they all WANT you to think, Dennis hasn't a chance so don't even consider him. They are afraid of him, all of them, and WE CAN CHANGE things if we all stop handing cash to those who are in the pockets of big money....and that is ALL the top "according to the polls" contenders, Democrats included. None of the top tier, the ones included in the polls, want things to change. If they did they wouldn't roll over for Bush all the time. They can taste the power and are drunk on it.
If everyone who cares sends Kucinich just $1, he would have a nice penny to fight back. I don't know about the rest of you but the idea of more of the same is NOT the country I want my grandchildren to live in. We have to start NOW to change things.
hahahahahahaha.....you think your american kangaroo court election system is somehow going to affect change for the betterment of the people?
you really are deluded. perhaps when you wake up and see that you will still be a pawn to your corporate masters you might see the truth...until then just keep swallowing the blue pill
rasta @ 36:
They may prefer to crush it and snort it.
Emergency Action Plan:
The people need to TAKE OFF the day and show up in RECORD NUMBERS for the primaries
and monitor all elections and the exit polls.
January 14—Iowa Caucus
January 15—Michigan Primary
January 19—Democratic Nevada Caucus / Republican South Carolina Primary
January 22—New Hampshire Primary This is a tentative date; by state law it must be changed to be first in the nation.
January 29—Florida Primary
February 5―West Virginia Republican Presidential Convention / California Primary / Arizona Primary
February 7―Republican Nevada Caucus
February 12—Pennsylvania Primary
February 19―Washington State Primary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLtAstCD1l8
A Richard Head @ 13:
It's just name recognition. Explain to me how the top 3 have distinguished themselves? How has their career justified their position? All of them are media picks.
Dennis is the choice for progressives who care about policy.
None of the Top 3 will clearly state their policy.
I'm not going to eat shit just because you want to sell it.
One possible reason Kucinich and Gravel are low in the polls?
The pollsters aren't asking about them
That graphic is misleading, it wouldn't let me vote um, okay.
Y'all remember when The Guy Show (?) went out on the streets with a petition to end women's suffrage, and all these women were signing it?
Thom Hartmann has taken a couple of informal "you call in to the show" polls who the listener would vote for. The first time I heard the majority vote for Kucinich. The second time I heard Edwards got the majority. But it was a very small group of people that called in, but it was interesting to see the change in relation to first the second time period.
I hate it that the people that get the most money are deemed the front runners. I have never voted for anyone based on a TV ad I saw. I know a part of that money to to pay for transportation, etc to get the different candidates to areas so the people can see them, but really not that many people go out to see the candidates in person. They work, they are busy, and usually where the candidates are are large cities and the people out of the area get missed.
>>>> Post of the Day Award goes to bluegal
meh. A post from DU? and no warning?!? Excuse while I clean my history and cache... :P
Uh, there's really nothing to see here, folks.
Move along... move along.
oooops...I censored myself somehow in my previous post.
Dennis Kucinich needs donations to help combat this sort of thing...
www.Dennis4president.com
btw...Dennis will be on "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" tonight (Sept.24)
Caller: “I’m sorry, but Dennis Kucinich is not on our list. Is there anyone on the list I gave you who you would vote for?”
Me: NO!
Yeah forget the fact that Gravel and Kucinich top an online blind-voting poll. This gets me so pissed off.
The Smiths Go To Washington @ 38:
Absolutely! I've been pondering setting up a volunteer election montor website, with instructions on how to monitor the polls, report your results, etc. So that we can look for inconsistencies.
DNC and GOP must be destroyed...
This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Corporations own Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. They will be on the top of their list if they get elected. Pull together people and help Dennis Kucinich out. Go to his website and donate. How dumb are we if we elect a president that's not going to look out for our interest. The American peoples interest. Those puppets can keep their dirty money. By the way Dennis Kucinich will be on Jay Leno tonight at 11:30 pm.
Don't be scared people elect the person who YOU think will do the best job. Not the person who wont hurt us the most.
Hey, many of us know about the "would a guy like to drink a beer with this guy / would a gal sleep with him" test for being electable. You should consider looking into his wife Elizabeth. You might change your mind. First off, she wants to sleep with him (and does) and you might want to know what his secret is!
I generally consider vegetarians "weak" but this guy has the mojo!!
Btw,... Time Magazine reports that: "Elizabeth Kucinich would be the first First Lady to wear a tongue stud".
Go check her out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTpoo0uqGbc&mode=related&search=
I am not surprised. But they included Biden? LOL
What a wonderful new form of push-polling
I got a call like this that also excluded kucinich. FWIW.
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L.A. Confidential @ 10:
Jeez, sorry, is anyone EVER going to let me forget that? ;)
Of course the polls leave out Kucinich, Gavel and Ron Paul: they're not beltway insiders, so they're considered "irrelevant"... just like the rest of the country.
Replace Biden and Richardson with Kucinich and Gravel, and then you have an interesting list.
Write in candidates for sure...
Did everyone see where Ron Paul beat Fred and Rudy in that Michigan Straw Poll!
God, I just beat their wives were spitting nails, those two harpies are drooling
at being the next Nancy Reagan, not Mitt's wifey-poo!
Btw,… Time Magazine reports that: “Elizabeth Kucinich would be the first First Lady to wear a tongue stud”.
Elizabeth is a total babe, she would be First Hottie as far as I'm concerned!
Talk about the underdog... They may have made a mistake by treating Kucinich this way... He may well become the underdog of all time and underdogs are not to be misjudged, they may well end up biting the powers that be on the ass...
Dood @ 20:
This is supposed to be a joke,right?And using the word Democrat instead of Democratic is supposed to be an insult? Seems to me it`s more stupid than insulting.It`s insulting to the assholes who use it because it is a dead give away proving how ignorant they are.
Doesn`t Bush use the term Democrat to insult himself?
So anyway,Dood,Dude,I think you must be backing the right Guy.BTW is Mandela`s funeral open to the public?
Why is this not in the national news?
This is another fine democracy you've gotten us into.
I'm tired of the media caste system. Dennis Kucinich has given his entire adult life to helping the American people and gets memory holed by yuppy pollsters and pundits
The United States of America is not a democracy.
I worked for Kucinich in the 2004 campaign.I think the press is still pissed off that he confronted Ted Koppel in the debates for asking frivolous questions.They`re still doing it.The national news folks are also afraid of anyone who really stands up to Bush and Cheney.
so angry. its a good thing the government keeps gamma ray technology underwraps because i'm mad enough to start smashing, figurativly.
Chris from Ohio @ 65:
It never was. It is a Republic. If it was a Democracy Bush and Cheney would have been out of office by now and we Americans would influence the direction of this country, not multi-national mega-companies.
"Dennis hasn’t a chance "
True.
"don’t even consider him."
False... sort of. What people need to take from this experience is that the political system in this country is a complete fraud, which has long (read: always) been specifically designed to give the sheeple the illusion of choice and power, while maintaining the constant control by the wealthy. Unfortunately, they are correct that he doesn't have a chance this time. But the lesson to be learned here is that we cannot be complacent and continue to settle for the sham process we have now.
What a sad commentary on our "democracy" - I don't understand how a 2 party system can be considered a real democracy? A real democracy has literally dozens of parties expressing opinions, ideas and solutions about the problems of society, so we (the public) can use our critical thinking skills (if there's any left in this country) to decide who the ideal candidate is.
What we are left with now is a choice between the democrats or the republicans: two parties that have a monopoly on our political system, and in the very end will do what the corporate lobbyists in Washington tell them. Whether you believe it or not, it's true - because like George Carlin said, "it's a private club, and you aint in it!"
To me, Dennis Kucinich is the obvious choice for the Democratic nomination. If people just LISTEN to what he says, he makes the most sense - not to mention having the foresight to vote NO on this silly war we're in. He should just run as an independent - maybe that way he'll be included in the opinion polls.
Man, what a freakin' joke...
driven989 @ 70:
I agree that IF voters had the chance to listen to D.K. speak, and I mean longer than the 40 seconds he gets on the debates, they would be surprised; and become a supporter of his positions.
I was wondering why Dennis Kucinich wasn't getting any poll traction yet was being highly lauded in the blogosphere so there you have it. No doubt these polls are being conducted by Republicans or Conservative Democrats who are scared speechless by the audacity and truth of both Kucinich and Gravel.
No doubt the frontrunners like Hillary and Obama cringe at every debate when they are outed by these two. Personally, I love the fact that we have to very patriotic americans like Kucinich and Gravel stumping for Truth. Personally, I believe that these two men are keeping the rest of the candidates "honest". (or as honest as either one of them CAN be and still schmooze both sides of the fence).
Frankly, I'll vote for one who does absolutely no "schmoozing" of the middle at all. It's time to begin calling a spade a spade, a liar - a liar, and bring the Truth to the american people
Otherwise, this democracy is a sham - a complete and total sham.
Election Reform and Voting Reform should become the top priority for blogs leading up to these primaries for the 2008 election.
This type of stuff is sickening. Hopefully we at these humble blogs can make an impact and get the reform we all deserve.
Kucinich, Gravel, Paul, They all deserve it from us. Our children deserve it. Our nation deserves it. ETc ETc. Damn these elites how have interests besides what is good for America. Damn them.
Orangutan. @ 73:
Exactly! As long as we allow the moneyed elite control the media they will control the direction of America. That direction will be to put our money into their pockets at whatever the cost to our nation.
Vote for Dennis!
Gravel could be minister of ... entertainment?
Ghost of Ben @ 75:
Our Dennis who's always hitting and running on our threads with his "enlightened" commentary?
time for a nap , but im voteing for kucinich 08 ,
Here watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2DGfXA8DlE if you missed this little slice of the happy fascist machine in action.
I had a DNC/(Hillary?) campaign pollster call me up and try to put Hillary in my mouth, literally... This was a couple of weeks before what happened to this poster... So I am sure they wised up and did not give one the choice to just say WHO they wanted ..but read from a list that conveniently did not have Dennis in it.
Bluegal, (we all have)...been lookin' @ this same kinda shit for a couple o' years now....
glad you are finally waking up to mainstream media being owned!
(by the corporate) who run the gov't ...or vice versa.
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Ron Paul is having the same kinda trouble @ the other end
...and you didnt even mention him.
You (we) have our agenda...
red states have their agenda
mainstream media/govt has another (agenda)
All is immaterial unless the voting machines are fixed.
Check out the coverage of the August Iowa debate on this crooks and liars website:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/20/abcs-iowa-debate-round-up/
Notice that the photo used cuts Kucinich out? Look around. See any corporate advertising?
You think you're getting some special insight here but you're actually taking it bent over.
If you elect a corporate candidate you lose, that's why the corporate media supports Hillary, Obama, and Edwards: none of them will ever have enough popular support to take back America from the corporations.
Here's the proof: http://un-scared.org
Kucinich is the 1st choice on issues of more people than ALL other candidates combined. Don't believe the media lie. Vote for Kucinich and take America back from the corporations. try the survey yourself and you'll see: http://www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php
They (the corpoerate elite) are absolutely, positively, downright scared shitless of Kucinich. Same with Akmedinejad. Bunch of pant crapping wimps that control this country, and they don't want anyone to take thier big, bg money away from them. But they control the media, so the sheeple who do not know about us here will NEVER get the truth.
My family is relatively well educated, and Liberal. My executive older brother wasn't for a time, but thanks to Bush, and my annoying conspiracy theories (his words) that end up being true -- he is now a Liberal. But what does that mean? Nothing they believe is much beyond what passes for news on CNN. How can anyone outside of Hillary and Obama have a chance, if the media has picked them as winners?
Republicans don't have a chance in 2008. But neither do REAL Liberals. Just the corporate-approved fall-back candidates who are Democrats In Name Only. A real Liberal like Gravel, Dean, Edwards or Kucinich, is marginalized by his own party.
My effective approach -- well, as much as I can get the "big picture" across to my family, is to ask them; "what is the middle-ground for bank robbery and murder?" Is it half-way killing a person, or only stealing half the funds in the bank that is reasonable? Since Hillary and Obama see the crimes that Bush should be impeached for, how is it reasonable that they want to set a time-table for after the election, and then just "move on" from any of the crimes committed by contractors and politicians? How can we consider half-measures or half-Republicans when the whole thing is a scam based on a lie? We illegally murder HALF as many people in Iraq -- shouldn't we be happy with that?
But even most Democrats have been so propagandized, that they see someone like Keith Olbermann as a partisan commentator. He does one bit of commentary on his show -- the rest, is actually news. I know it doesn't look like news, because they talk about Blackwater firing first and mowing down civilians, without mentioning things like the thoughtful "investigation" and "alleged." But those of us who have seen one lie after another realized, know that "investigation" means that there will be delays, while cronies get paid to white-wash the whole event.
How can anyone understand what Kucinich or Edwards are offering us, if they don't really know the problem, or that Corporations are running everything? The same companies that profit from the war, own the News Station that tells you about the candidate. Guess what? They also own a good chunk of the leading candidates due to the "money = free speech" system that allows their parent companies to "donate." This is like being at a strip club and bidding on a table dance. I just don't have enough votes to get anyone BUT Hillary at my table. Will I vote for her? Do I have a choice when it's Karl Rove in a g-string and he could wear a Romney or a Guilianni mask? Sorry for the visual scarring your mind -- but that's our 2008 elections baby.
>> The reason we don't have Kucinich on the pole is they reason that Republicans don't get Ron Paul on their poles -- because behind the scenes, the secret agreement between politicians and corporations, is that these "elites" must decide what is good for us. In their world view, it's all about keeping everyone busy consuming and working. To do that, they have to waste money on budget deficits and wars and making things as inefficient as possible. No mass train system for the USA -- not only does it help the automakers -- but it helps keep things wasteful and people buying chrome wheels and air fresheners. The "Fair Tax" and other bogus alternatives (not enough time in the day to say how stupid all the Libertarian ideas are) will never come to pass, not because it isn't an ingenious way to make the wealthy wealthier and the poor, poorer -- but because it is too simple. The War on Drugs is like Oxley Sarbanes and complicated Tax Codes -- it means employment. We are no more civilized than when the ancient Egyptians were building pyramids to keep farmers busy.
But the Bread, Circuses, and Busy-ness model for modern life is making everyone dumber, more worn out, and life suck at an ever increasing rate. The buying of cheap and faulty products, while great for keeping industry humming, may just make our world inhospitable and our oceans too acidic for fish. The Brilliant Wealthy Power Brokers, don't know any game plan other than war, religion, and TV, so they are going to run this scam right up until we run out of air. We could be employing people to build bridges instead of blow them up, or forcing shorter work-weeks (like France) instead of achieving full employment by Rube-Goldberg accounting practices. Why not a mission to Mars, and a mass transit infrastructure, if we could achieve full employment and not use the War on Drugs and the Security Police State to put non-employed people in prison -- wouldn't life be better?
Once people realize that we either do GOOD things to keep busy, in the FDR fashion, or we do BAD things to stay busy, in the Hoover/Bush fashion, the debates of talking heads on TV will make more sense. If our government were working for the common good -- we'd be a lot less wasteful and efficient, yet all we hear about the criticisms of good government is that it is so wasteful and inefficient -- exactly the opposite of reality. This shows how effective propaganda (news in the USA) is.
Why not demand some honest polling in the first place. We should be sick and tired of this so called National polling data that has no explanation of who was polled and what questions were asked or anything other then the person they have selected for us is leading in the polls.
The data we are getting is not representative of people of color as they could give a shit who we are interested in and if the truth be known we are the real majority, but the intent as it has been throughout this administrations unholy history to not allow the majority a voice in the first place.
We have been losing elections all over this country and not getting people into office whom the real majority does support and it is all based on the fact,this right wing gang knows very well that we are not going to support any of the bull shit they are handing us. Call us stupid and dumb if you like but you would never see the dangerous mess we now have in this country if you would just wake up and see the light.
If American people do not get smart and demand truthful honest polling or none at all, we are going to wind up in the toilet come the 2008 election. You all need to remember the polling data for the 2004 election that rightfully called the presidency to Senator John Kerry and in a matter of minutes , we ended up with Bush, 4,000 of our kid dead, $3. plus for our gas, people losing their homes all over this country, 54 million Americans without health coverage, a deficit spiraling out of control and a US Congress that are afraid to speak and vote for policies, because it is the right thing to do.
They understand what it is going to take to achieve what they want now and corporate America is working day and night to achieve exactly that, which is why it is extremely important these candidates monitor where they are getting their money from because corporate America is not just giving them money because they like them and American people have been held hostage and victimized by these cheap thugs for the last six plus years to prove it.
Instead we have some who have the audacity to stand in our face and tell us, it makes no difference if they do and the main one that is hollering that crap is now all over the Rupert Murdock owned air waves, being promoted as the chosen choice for American people and that is disgusting to say the least and I might add that he has contributed millions to this campaign to the disadvantage of other candidates, as they all use all of the air waves to spew this garbage in our face and force other candidates to pay dearly for any publicity at all. This is wrong.
Well I am here to say the hell it does and we have almost 4,000, young men and women dead to prove it and up to one million dead Iraqis, that did not deserve the fate that was and continues to be handed to them because of corporate America and the sleazy and greedy tactics, they have projected all over this country and now into others.
I am saying that I believe that these candidates that think it is OK to take this corporate money will not hold any of the people responsible for the disastrous , mess in this country accountable.
I want to be on record to say with another corporate owned president, that Bush will never suffer any for the disaster he has created and none of the rest of them, because we allowed our candidates to get in bed with the very people that put us in this position.
Wake up liberal white Americans and realize you can't do it without us and nor can we without you, which is why they are heavily playing the race game to keep us pent against one and other. They know they should have let that kid in Jena out of jail , but instead they are going to keep him imprisoned to keep black America upset and to keep the tension in the air that white America is exercising its power over us to achieve the goal of making black Americans the enemy.
This shit is not going away,its covered all over the black air waves and you better believe that. our kids, like yours are our world and we are not going to let them down for any reason and neither would any of you. We want and demand fairness in the American electoral and judicial system and nothing else will do.
High Five Sexy time to the last few posters!!
Excellent posts here people...
Enjoy this video of Dennis kicking ass and chewing bubblegum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_-6_LqRJEM&mode=related&search=
^^^ Pah leezzzee.... !!!!>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HTLCcjxJmo
Sorry folks but Gravel wipes the floor with ALL the other candidates PERIOD.
Watch the documentary "spin" on how media playes a role in selecting candidates, and how friendly the politicians and the corporate media are to each other...
I live in Spofford, NH and had the same experience. When I asked the pollster about Mike Gravel they tried to get me to pick from their list. Mike Gravel has my vote in the NH primary, not because we agree on every issue, because he tells the truth.
Edwards/Kucinich in 08!
Dennis is the man when it comes to social issues for America. His dept. of Peace would bring about a new paradigm of wisdom for the 21st century.
Forget all this elf talk - he's got great potential for VP!
The irony is, if it's Democracy we want, Kucinich doesn't win. People don't trust a pro-labor, big-city activist peace candidate. Don't you get it? These democrats have been losing since 1968. Maybe sometime in the future, but not now. The pollsters don't ask because he's even less a blip on the polls than Nader was. At least people knew who he was. Gravel? Nobody knows who the hell he is. I don't remember him, and I lived through that time.
I'm voting for Dennis Kucinich. I don't care what the polls say, or who the media showcases, and we are the majority. The ABC poll had Dennis winning and they pulled it - twice. The AARP excluded him. Olberman, Matthews, and Stewart can marginalize him all they want. We have heard him speak and we know an intelligent, strong, and honest man when we hear him.
Yard Sale For Dennis. Oct 13 and 14
Gravel is the only senior running on the democratic side, and he was excluded from the AARP debate because you need paid people working for you in a state, and the people on his campaign are free volunteers.
And to the guy that said "Nobody knows who the hell he is and I lived during that period," it's because he was marginalized even back then by the media because he speaks his mind, and has been doing so for 50+ years.
Watch some of his videos on Youtube before you rule him out. Hearing some of these comments joking about the media choosing candidates is really sad, especially among Democrats.
Hear what each candidate has to say before you rule them out and don't just say, "Oh he'll never win, who the hell is he anyway."
Dennis and Mike are very similar in respect that they BOTH tell the truth and dont pander to corporate skuz...
But in no way shape or form does Gravel wipe the floor with Dennis..
How much money did the top teir candidate's campaign manager pay the mainstream-media and the pollsters to keep Kucinich from advancing in the presidential race?
It is obvious that they (along with their corporate backers and the media) are making alot of EFFORT in doing this because they must know all along that Congressman Kucinich IS a viable candidate that is a threat to them. Otherwise, they would treat him with FAIR GAME.
I don't care I'm still voting for Gravel.
Jim H @ 90:
You are a moron for forgetting the person who read the pentagon papers in public and in effect released them to the American people.
Fallout911 @ 95:
Hey...
As long as you vote for your heart and conscience, and not your scheming mind, which is tricked by delusions of propagandia.
I can respect and support that.
The Central power in government is Lawmaking if Dennis were to win what would change? Gravel's National Initiative which would effectively create the 4th check in our system of "check and balances" I'm sorry if i was a bit harsh on Dennis for i do like him indeed however he simply lacks the BALLS required to take on these traitors and again even if he did have the leadership qualities of Gravel he would be powerless to reign in our utterly corrupt "representation" in D.C. There are two venues of change 1. with our elected officials and 2. the People. Empower the people check the corruption coupled with Gravel's proven MORAL and ETHICAL leadership is the ONLY repeat ONLY way we will not enter downright fascism. You can ignore this or you can take ten minutes to check out what Gravel is saying. Gravel held a 5 month filibuster to end the draft during Vietnam he is the reason your children are not in Iran am i clear enough? if America had it's collective head on straight Sen. Gravel would be a national hero and the people would rally behind him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiOMoGlSKO8
I'm also voting for Gravel
rduke @ 85:
kucinich is 7ft tall in my books 08
Fuck the Democrats. I will choose who I want to choose and after Kucinich I will vote for a third party candidate. If no good third party candidate exists then I will vote for Ahmadinijad or someone just to piss the corporate whores off. I'm sick of this bullshit.
rduke @ 85:
Great clip ! He rocks! It's really too bad that a man with that much substance is discarded for no reason at all.
And oh yeah, ummm I think that clinton person should win. Because everyone is telling me she should.
I mean reallyI don't have time too think for myself. If the polls and the media say she is the one, then she is the one . ( please don't let her be the one )
Hey, great use of artistic licence in political polling! I woulda never guessed that something devoted to truth would have attempted a thing so horribly contemptible. Baaa! Baaaaaa! I think I'll continue to tell everyone to read and listen to Kucinich information and interviews. Even if he is not one of their choices.
"Exactly the reason why we should all pass on information about Dennis ourselves"
Oh, goodie! I love informing morons who think White Supremists pro-gun anti-abortionist Ron Paul and flip-flopping sexist Kucinich would be a dream match up. Maybe you'd better worry about your own little echo chamber since it's at least as ill-informed as Fox viewers. But since you asked to have "information" about Dennis Kucinich passed on, here you go. The editors at Flip-Flop.org included him on their list since the thrice-married Kucinich spent a lifetime voting against women's choice until it was politically expedient for him to flip-flop. You might want to also check out Gold Star Rosemary Palmer's website, since she's challenging him for his congressional seat (and Iraq war vet Paul Hackett is backing HER). While Kucinich has been WHINING about the Dems "rigging" the election Rosemary has been waiting 20 DAYS for the courtesy of a reply to her formal request for debate. Kucinich will blow her off the same way he blew his challenger off in 2006...also a woman. Coincidence? Someone should ask him at the NH debate this week.
Here, Echo Chamber. Stop patting yourselves on the back for your willful ignorance and inform yourself: see how Kucinich rigs his own elections back home. http://www.rosemarypalmerforcongress.com/
Yeah, Navy, just be sure you include the "information" on how Kucinich is blowing off a Gold Star mom challenging him for his congressional seat.
Rosemary Palmer has been waiting 20 days now, but Kucinich is too busy whining about the presidential debates to treat his own consituents and challengers with the respect they're due.
http://www.rosemarypalmerforcongress.com/
Wow! Ok, I lose that part of the debate. Thanks for passing along the information, Zee. I don't get the exposure to the news and information that people who live in the U.S. do. My largest concern is the war in Iraq because without stopping that, I think that it would be a drain on funding the other important issues that need to be fixed. Kucinich has made a solid platform on his stance in regard to the war.
Before I make this next statement, I want you to know that I am not trying to be antagonistic: I have flip-flopped before too. I expect that everyone has once or twice in their lives. I am willing to give a break provided that it is not done in the Rudy G fashion of flip-flopping several times in a week to promote personal belief of the idealogy of whatever group of people you are speaking in front of.
We can only make the best of whatever choices we are given. I am still in the decision making process.
Dennis has my vote. I can't believe they don't give him more respect in the media. Probably because he refuses to be a puppet.
You usually have to pay to get your name into polls. I remember back in 87' I was running a radio station and there were only 6 stations in this country where where I live. The station I ran was a grassroots concept where anyone could "rent" half an hour, or a fixed time segment and have his weekly show and say exactly what he wanted. We had the price very low and we didnt make much money.... but anyone could afford it. And I mean anyone... Needless to say we had some very entertaining programs. But enough about that.
Gallup ran polls periodically, charging the stations huge amounts of money to get their name onto the question list and we could not afford to be there. We could not afford NOT to be there either, as ratings numbers are the thing that sells advertisement, but anyways, I always said no when they called and it turned out fine: everyone else paid to participate. So when the poll results came, we could always point to the % listening to "other" radio stations, as it was only us.
BTW, the US ambassador cam once to visit, he loved the station, the energy and the atmosphere, but thought it was terrible that we allowed everyone to have a program, no questions asked, even the kommies, homosexuals and the organization against the US bases in my country :p
Anyways, I would guess Kucinich is not paying to be in every poll.
Zee @ 106:
From YOUR link...
Rosemary Palmer, candidate for the Democratic nomination for the 10th Congressional District of Ohio, leveled criticism today at both the Bush Administration and Congressman Dennis Kucinich for a lack of progress in developing a national security system to protect the United States from acts of terrorism. On the advent of the sixth anniversary of the September 11th attacks, Palmer cited “unjust and unwise decisions” as contributors to the ongoing threat of terrorism to the United States and its allies.
Is her plan better than DK's? Tell me why!
This is fucking bullshit man.. Kucinich is the best candidate in my opinion from the democratic side. He is not a sellout which is why he's not getting the media coverage.. WE NEED TO GET HIS NAME OUT THERE ON OUR OWN. It's obvious the media is not going to help with this one.
Rosie Palm is running for something? She sounds dreamy...
I agree with Mike: Kucinich IS clearly the best candidate, but he's being systematically phased out by the powers that be. I'm seriously beginning to wonder if we as Americans are really this stupid?! It's a rhetorical question...
Phyltress @ 15:
Maybe we should chip in and buy him a ranch in Texas.
Big media and moneyed interests chose the president the last two times. Now they have even more power since that fuck has been in office for 2 terms. I can understand why people start to feel hopeless. This sucks that Kucinich is getting pinched out. He's the best choice out there!
Do you not have PUBLIC CITZENS do this? You got fucking corporations to do this??!?!!??!?!??!
You guys are fucking selling yourself down a river.
The Corporate Powers are striving to shape the election through mindshare strategies. If you don't hear about a candidate constantly, how will you form an opinion of them?
People vote like they were going to the movies. They want to elect people with names like, "Marilyn Monroe, Stacy Conners, Chuck Wilson, George W. Bush. Cool names. Kucinich? I can't even pronounce it, and he's my favorite candidate. How is middle America gonna figure out that the best candidates sometimes have names you can't pronounce?
Peoples Front of Judea @ 63:
HAHA! Sorry, it took me a while to get it. You british and your humor. So dry and intellectual, I love it.
The entire electoral system in America is designed to keep out anyone who opposes the Jim Crow drug war. Kucinich and Gravel both oppose the racist drug war.
If your not a racist white a..hole you will not be permitted to participate in any significant way in the presidential election process in America.
America and its two dominance parties, the Democrats and Republicans, are racists. that is the name of the game in apartheid America.
Ron Paul will be sitting on the Congressional Joint Economic Committee on Oct. 4 when they discuss how the prison culture, fueled by the drug war, is subverting American society, economy and culture. See my blog entry: U.S. Congress Jim Crow Economics Hearing October 4, 2007
By the time the primaries get here to Pennsylvania Kuchinich and Gravel will be out of it so there is no reason for me to continue to be registered as a Democrat. I will return to my natural registration status of being an Independent today.
I have found that, while a Democrat, no one ever calls me for my opinion on politics. But as an Independent I get regular calls from all parties asking my opinion of the races. Since the opinion polls count more in America than do the electoral polls I want my views heard and being an Independent is the best way to do that.
I think Kucinich and Gravel are the candidates the Republicans and corporatists are most afraid of. They are doing every last thing they can to make them invisible, to the point that I think the media is guilty of elections fairness violations that are probably actionable.
They are assuming that DK and Gravel will be gone by the time the New Hampshire primary rolls around. This would give the pollster an idea who would inherit their support, faint as it might be. This is the only answer that makes sense.
So how does that explain the polls that DO include them, as they come in with 1% and 0%.
The problem isn't that you got a poll w/o 2 fringe candidates, even if I agree with most of what Kucinich and not much of Gravel.
Both are weird dudes, who have not chance to win, any more than Tommy Thompson.
That's what the state-owned media does to non-mainstream candidates. The very same thing happened to Carl Sheeler, the finance professor and former Marine who ran in the R.I. Dem primary against Whitehouse for the US Senate in 2006. (He's the one who put up billboards that read "Be Patriotic: Impeach Bush." I still have the bumber sticker on my car, and I'm in MN.)
The Providence Journal conducted surveys that did not include Sheeler as a candidate.
Retired Navy, I appreciate your honesty and open-mindedness. The rest of the Kucinich echo chamber act more like a cult. Rosemary Palmer explains why she thinks she'd be better able to accomplish the end of the Iraq, war, crazy train. Read for yourself. In short, she knows that grandstanding is counterproductive and you need to be able to work with others. And Explainer, making an obscene joke about an antiwar mother who's just lost her son in Iraq just goes to show the level and mentality of the Kucinich nuts.
All the echo chamber has to do, once they get over themselves and stop shouting "bullshit" and stopping up their ears and brains (let alone make obscene jokes about a Gold Star mother) is ask themselves how RABIDLY would you (and your grandstanding Kucinich) be screeching if Hillary was on WEEK THREE of blowing off a debate from a challenger for her seat?
If you can honestly say you'd not call Hillary to the mat for that, then fine.
But you'd be lying and you know it. He's your boy. You need to ask him to give Rosemary an answer and stop being a coward and hypocrite. 21 DAYS, week three of blowing her off. Some "superior" candidate.
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since you think that looks make the man or women..(by the way you are really shallow) Kucinich not handsome enough to be President... maybe you should not be allowd to vote because you are ugly on the inside
You're all invited to join the Kucinich action center and swap ideas about HOW to get Dennis elected, instead of beefing that it's not possible. If we all shout, they're bound to hear us. (The pollsters and Media hear us already, but pretend that they don't...)
Eamon @ 1:
No, not an elf, a leprechaun.
Seriously, I like what Kucinich has to say...I just don't want him running the country.
Here's all you have to do. Vote for Kucinich in the primaries. You will not be wasting your vote because IT DOESEN'T MATTER. The rest of the canidates are all the same.....IT DOESEN'T MATTER.
I just met Dennis Kucinich in person the other day when he came to Ojai, CA. He looked quite presidential to me. He has a kind face and a warm smile. Plus, I want whatever he's got that attracted a beautiful and intelligent wife like he has!
Making uncivil and idiotic comments about his appearance just shows the ignorance of the poster. I'm talking to you hbcobra, Eamon @ 1, and any other loser who thinks they are being clever by acting childish, and acting like a neocon boor.
Eamon @ 1:
Riiiight.....way to keep your eyes on the important stuff. When did running for president become running for homecoming king or the next American Idol? We need smart, not sexy.
If you dis mike gravel you dis yo self biaatch. Whining little pansies, support EVERY candidate on "your side" or the gop will definitely win again, vote fraud or not. Haven't you heard of divide and conquer? Show unity and understanding towards your team or you will be judged as incoherent and lost in thought. Republicans win because of they have _one truth_ _one solution_________________________________ Is it so difficult to understand that the thing people want is a solution not a trillion questions?
Follow what they do, not what they say.
Dennis Kucinich is the only presidential candidate who was against the war of imperialism in Iraq from the start.
He is also the only candidate who opposes funding for the current illegal occupation of Iraq.
He also introduced a resolution to impeach dick Cheney.
While other candidates talk the talk, Kucinich walks the walk. He has bigger balls then all of the other presidential candidates put together, that includes Hillary too.
DK all the way!
That is, if we actually HAVE another election.
It looks to me like the BushCo Neocons have all their ducks in a very workable row. The Executive branch has so much power now that all might already be lost.
Don't mean to sound totally disenchanted, but I kinda am.
Who ever said that this is a democracy.Did anyone ever actually look at the words of the pledge of allegiance. And to the republic for which it stands. A republic is not a democracy. Wake up America This was never a democracy.
If you find the company or get the number of the market research company that is doing this, email jackson@kucinich.us
We fight for the good side, thanks.
All in a gig’s worth.
1 gig 20 years ago, compared to one gig today:
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Kevinheil!Schmidt is a troll and no doubt on the Kucinich payroll. I met Kucinich, too....backstage, with no cameras rolling. He was creepy and cold.
KevinHeil!Schmidt may even be the same thug who made an obscene comment about Rosemary Palmer's name...he's over on Bizzflash.net calling her "unhinged." All you have to do is go to her website. Nothing over the top, nothing inflammatory, nothing unhinged. The only "unhinged" ones I see are the cult faithful attacking a Gold Star mom in the service of their sexist hypocrite her, Kucinich.
Buzzflash, not Bizzflash, sorry!
"We fight for the good side, thanks."
If you call "good" sexist hypocrites who shut out women challengers, in 2006 and now, "good." Speaks volumes. If Kucinich is going to rig his own elections he has no business whining about the national ones.
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