Explain Your SCHIP Vote to the Children.
By bluegal Wednesday Sep 26, 2007 12:14pm
Eeek, Mommy! He wants to take my health insurance!
PBS Now: While 45 percent of all children in the United States are receiving some form of public medical assistance, nine million children are not covered by either public or private health care.
Bush opposes SCHIP, which provides health insurance to children. Children.
Rockridge Institute: Bush has a point. If 10 million American children are made healthy through a government managed program, the next thing you know some more of the 100 million or so uninsured or under-insured Americans might recognize that their health has been sacrificed on the altar of a private insurance industry that didn't even exist 70 years ago.
...But it appears some members [of Congress] tremble at the thought of defying the most unpopular president in modern American history.
The house passed the SCHIP bill, but there were not enough aye votes to override a promised Presidential veto.
Nancy Pelosi: "I speak with all of the sincerity and all of the hope to President Bush in the hope that he will change his mind." Nancy talked with Wolf Blitzer on SCHIP:
Public Action Campaign has an ad they're debuting against "Big Money Mitch" McConnell shaming him over picking big money donors over children's health.
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This is just terrible, especially compared to how much we're spending on Iraq. Sickening, pun intended.
Only the Chimp would deny health care to children and try to spin it into a philisophical reason for his decision. The boy-king is a piece of garbage.
Can't shame someone that doesn't have a soul or a conscience
shit, don't kid yourselves. nancy will be thrilled at bush's veto. just like she's happy as a clam that any iraq initiatives be voted down. because, then, it's the republicans' problem. tough shit about those soldiers and children who in the meantime suffer while congress plays their fucking games.
PELOSI: I've always said that impeachment is off the table. This is President Bush's war. It's Vice President Cheney's war and now it's become the war of the republicans in Congress.
hey pelosi, why dont you buy some knee pads then ask bush to change his mind..... knee pads for congress!
In no way would I defend him, bt you have to admit, that the bill was pushing it by setting the income level to $80,000. I know healthcare is expensive, but in an $80,000 year household, it can be done. It just gave him the perfect opportunity put it into the light that it was creeping towrds socialized medicine. I love how President Bush said he wanted the choices to be between the patient and their doctor - how many low income families have the same doctor each time they go to a free or low pay clinic?
Now this is interesting and I like it from the Dems.
Speaker Polosi breaks her vow of silence and comes out to the media table to place the President in front of the clear glass window for the American public to get a good look at.
I like this from Speaker Polosi. I would like to see some more pulic positioning of strenth, dignity and wisdom from the Dems and Speaker Polosi.............................
I don't want the republicans pathetic "we did it - not the democrats" bill - I want the original bill to get voted on again. If it still doesn't pass with a veto-proof majority - I hope it becomes a campaign issue with tremendous presence in all campaigns.
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republican point of view: kids don't vote. fuck 'em.
michael @ 9:
pretty much!
Children are only important to boosh when they're in utero, or in the Army.
Otherwise they're blamed for seducing "respectable" Republican congressmen.
Poor child in the above picture. Parents should know better.
A purification ceremony or even exorcism may now be appropriate.
C'mon, if it's a choice between HELPING kids at home or KILLING more of them in Iraq...
The repukes' ideal American (non-rich) citizen: a fetus. Their second fave: a baby who dies right after being born. Why the fuck should anybody care about something so helpless and useless, with such an uncertain return on investment?
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But if those kids survive until adulthood they'll sure be glad they weren't turned into little commies.
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The REAL problem is that the rich aren't happy with all their billions. They want ALL of YOUR money too!
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If the fraud doesn't support provision of health insurance to the 9 million children in this country who need it then it's time to definitely cut his purse strings on Iraq. If he can be such a misanthrope and poor excuse for a human being, then his amoral, illegal war of choice (blood for oil) needs to be halted immediately.
If all the little kids die. . . It's more money for the uber rich !
Hey, it's survival of the fittest ! Get used to it !
Rick Hunter @ 20:
Hate to tell you this but they've already taken all of your money and mine. It's called the national debt. Now they're eyeing our disposable income and soon they will have taken every citizen to the depths of poverty.
BTW, why the hell do we continue to pay this group of thugs anyway? Isn't it time for another "boston tea party", folks?
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Why increase the tax on just cigs? Why not increase the tax on booze while they're at it? Or chocolate? Hows about sex drugs/toys?
orion @ 23:
These tactics are the hallmarks of "Fascism". This country didn't go Fascist recently; we became Fascist when the Supreme Court installed our Dictator, GWB and swore him in, stopping the recount in Florida. We need to get Jebbie and Katherine Harris under oath on that one!
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Bu$h is a cold-hearted bastard! He has no concern for anyone but himself... sociopath? psychopath? However it's defined, he was raised without one ounce of compasssion or one iota of empathy. And the fact that he doesn't even have a clue as to how insulated he is, only adds to my disgust with this fellow inhabitant of this planet. I can't say he's a man because in my experience a real man doesn't behave the way he does. He's a tool!
“I speak ... to President Bush in the hope that he will change his mind.”
Un the freak BELIEVABLE.
Gee, I'm sure that's just what Ted Bundy's dates all said when they saw the knife coming at them.
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Well Madam Speaker, you should have impeached Bush when you had the chance. You might not have had to "beg" at all for a bill like healthcare for children. This is shameful for a supposedly world leading country where we cannot provide for our own children. On top of it, we're killing thousands of innocent people and our own men and women in a country for their oil that we no longer can afford. WTF?
Rick Hunter @ 28:
Was it your mental health care?
terrible. this guy won't explain why he opposes it? won't even give that?
Rick Hunter @ 20:
exactly! welcome to the world of corporate serfdom...
What's with the overexcited troll?
Rick Hunter @ 32:
you think so? really?
Fanon @ 37:
took too much speed and got ahold of a computer.
hadenuf @ 34:
BWAHAHAHA! My computer thanks you for the liberal dousing of coffee.
Trittydi @ 8:
It was President Bill Clinton who first suggested the State Children's Health Care Plan in his State of the Union address in January 1997, but CNN keeps trying to give credit to the Republican Congress of 1997. Clinton asked Congress for $16 billion to cover children through a combination of private insurance and expanding the Medicaid program. Then Democrat Edward Kennedy and Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch introduced a bill that would give states block grants to insure children.
On July 29, 1997 Bill Clinton sent the first balanced budget since 1969 to Congress. Included in that budget was 24 Billion Dollars for the Child Health Care Plan. The plan invested an unprecedented $24 billion to provide health care to the millions of children who were currently uninsured and represented the largest expansion of children's health care since the creation of Medicaid in 1965.
Do you think that the Republican's are gonna go out of their way to advance a Clinton program? They'll either try to hijack the program or kill it. The funding Bush is proposing won't even cover children who are currently on the program. It would take about $40 billion now to give the same coverage as the original $24 billion in 1997.
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Fanon @ 37:
His mom didn't given him his morning dose of Ritalin.
michael @ 9:
I think it is more like this: Republicans, they care deeply about us before we are born and right before we are about to die. On the meantime, we are on our own....
"But it appears some members [of Congress] tremble at the thought of defying the most unpopular president in modern American history." - Rockridge Institute
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Isn't that the truth! Half measures avail us not.
Rick Hunter @ 42:
Ew, you want Hillary as president?
Taxing smokers at sixty-one cents per pack to pay for SCHIP is an act of cowardice on the part of the Democrats. SCHIP is a worthwhile program and deserves to be funded from general revenues.
If you believe that smokers are uneducated, lower class people, as the anti-smoker propaganda would have it, then you would have to consider that sixty-one cents per pack is a highly regressive tax. And if you believe that raising the tax on cigarettes will encourage more smokers to quit, then you have to consider that SCHIP's funding is purposely being placed on an eroding tax base. Those considerations reflect neither fair taxation for Americans nor reliable funding for SCHIP.
The program is a good one. It deserves fair and reliable funding. What has been proposed so far is neither. The bill deserves to be vetoed, even if by the wrong person for the wrong reasons.
Dontcha love the way Busholini urged the UN to "spread democracy"?! We're so far behind in our membership dues to the UN that they should laugh in the asshole's face when he makes such declarations.
Instead of State Children Health Insurance Program how about we redub it State Health Insurance Terminated?
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Thanks for being so obviously obnoxious & not funny Rick Hunter.
It makes it very convenient to skip right over you.
omfg, that's harsh. That is the first time that I can recall Pelosi being so demonstrably against the president. She didn't pull punches when she said those statements are below the dignity of his office, she sliced his wounds with a lemony knife when she said she has five children of her own and took the gavel for her children, poured salt on the gash when she said she would haunt him with the legislation until he gives up this notion of 'common ground = you agree with me', and practically burried him when she taunted him to bring the debate over cigarette taxes versus children's with health care into the public forum with her. GO PELOSI! a hint of a spine, methinks...
and to kick him while he's down? when wolf says that Bush calls this argument a political tactic to shame him, she says that he's projecting his own failings onto her and the democrats. BLAM! good job Nancy... way to score a few points! finally someone found their fighting spirit, and she still handled it politely and coherently. it IS possible, YAY!
*happy dance all around the Capitol Hill*
Rick Hunter @ 50:
You are a riot, I tell you. Thanks. :lol:
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Stop feeding the troll!
hadenuf @ 51:
Don't take him so seriously, I'm sure he'll get deleted soon enough.
Dr. Acula @ 55:
why, i've got crackers for him to munch on.
Nancy Pelosi: “I speak with all of the sincerity and all of the hope to President Bush in the hope that he will change his mind.”
She's joking right? Does she know who she's dealing with? Where the fuck has she been the last 7 years. Hey Nancy - "hope" is not a plan. "Hope" is not a strategy. No balls - the whole fucking bunch of Democrats - absolutely no balls. I want a new Party goddamnit!
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Rick Hunter @ 59:
whatever floats your boat, brother. :)
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Rick Hunter @ 62:
if you say so, brother :)
Rick Hunter @ 61:
Jesus Christ! Just shut the fuck up, will ya Rick.
gene214 @ 58:
What do you expect them to do? They don't have enough to override his veto.
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Thank you for posting the link to PBS NOW
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/327/index.html
It is one of the best informative news shows left on PBS.
We recall in 2005, when "CORPORATION for Public Broadcasting's Chairman Ken Tomlinson"
tried to suppress and attack the content of the show - for reporting the truth.
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0621-22.htm
And for Tomlinson, millions of us had one word for him: ---> Resign.
What would John F. Kennedy have to say about an
open government and suppression of news if he was still alive?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkryNyxlubY
yes, thank you, captain obvious
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Professor Farnsworth @ 35:
Actually he gave a reason, a lame one, but he qualified it. In part, Congress gave him a bill that they knew he would veto. I partially blame cogress for setting that income level at $80,000 - they had to see that was going to get squashed under the guise of "it will cost too much" and "it's a backdoor attempt to spread socialized medicine"
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puffin @ 47:
A cigarrette tax is not the only source of funding, though, is it?
DailyKos
Bush Plays Chicken With Children's Health Care
by John Kerry
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/27/125917/038
Ricky Bones @ 71:
Ok, thanks.
Rick Hunter @ 70:
New Bumper Sticker
"I hated Bush BEFORE it was cool."
It's really something listening to the wing nut senators regretfully supporting SCHIP....it's like bamboo shoots under their finger nails doing something that would go against the decider...now the diaper guy who pays hookers is adding "his" an amendment to SCHIP making sure no illegal aliens get treated if they are sick...
These privatized health plans are destroying us. Whatever plans our political candidates come up with must be controlled, and monitored by the federal government and required to follow strict standards to even get these contracts or we are going to continue to suffer the fate we now find ourselves in. There should be NO room for closed door policies that these private companies think they should be able to do without watchful eye's as it is now done through out the federal system, which is why most well thinking Americans want it that way in the first place. We must control our system or lose it.
First of all these recent problems we have incountered, with these corporations that do not want to provide medical coverage for their workers, because they would negicoate a contract with their employee's and their unions and agree on the cost of the various plans, then these corporations, instead of taking the money that should have been set aside for the workers health services, they would use it to run the company without the knowledge of the employee or the unions and when the company would bellie up, so would all the money that should not have been used in the first place and the same things have been going on with the retirement funds, without any federal intervention and this crap is handeled all wrong and it is the main reason these people do not want government intervention involved in the first place, because they would not be allowed to do that.
It is amazing how many of our political officials are doctors and we are going through this crap. A good portion of the congress members carry doctor in their titles. They seem to know very little about our constitution and bill of rights and I would venture to say that is not the real reason many of them slipped into our federal system in the first place.
Congressman Tom Price Republican of Georgia, has the nerve to use his Congressional letter head with the title of Dr. on it and I do believe that he has the title doctor on his congressional door to his office, paid for by the tax payers in this country. This is a violation folks and so this other bigot Phil Gingrey Republican of Georgia as they and many others are tied to this cult to continue to assist Bush in his efforts to privatize our health system and drive American people right to their deaths, because of their inability to afford health care. Republican Senator Frisk of Tenn was also a good old boy in this scam and when the spot light was turned on his ass, he got out.
American people should be tired of the games these people are playing while they control our system and make life hell unessary for American people, because of greed.
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Puffin @ 47
Republicans aren't against the 61 cent tax on Cigarettes because it will hurt the poor, they are against a 61 cent tax because it will hurt the big tobacco companies who are huge contributors to the campaigns of Mitch McConnell and John Boehner. Much of the Republican opposition to increasing the SCHIP program is about tobacco.
In late June of 1995 now Minority Leader John Boehner handed out checks from the political action committee of tobacco company Brown & Williamson Corp., to fellow Republicans on the floor of the House.
In 2000, Mitch McConnell lead the effort to kill the McCain tobacco control bill.
Rick Hunter @ 79:
it's raining men, hallelujah, it's raining men.
Rick Hunter @ 59:
Actually we can blame a lot of the airport delays for Reagan's pushing out the air controller's union back in the 80's. Kind of ironic considering he was the former head of a union, the SAG and so love unions, as long as they were Polish and called Solidarnosc. Since then the equipment has been aging along with the rest of our infrastructure partially due to tax breaks for the wealthy.
Oh yes, and everytime boosh shows up on TV, I'm sure dogs are puking on the owner's carpets everywhere.
ysbaddaden,
It's Bush's gfault because he's to blame for everything!
He's evil and all powerful!
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and eating it back up.
Rick Hunter @ 84:
It's Raining Men! Every Specimen!
Tall, blonde, dark and lean
Rough and tough and strong and mean
Pretty obvious the only person with simplistic opinions on this site is the one accusing the site of being simplistic.
indeed. :)
I know this is off subject but I watched this interview can somebody tell me why is impeachment of the table.That is part of her job impeachment is never off the table what the hell is wrong with this new dem party.The repubs tried to impeach clinton for lying about a blow job and this man(bush) has took away our rights took to a bogus ass war and she's taking impeachment off the table.Why is there no outcry about this she is not doing her job.
repub voters think lottery-like blessings are just around the corner if they vote for "pro life" candidate while they sit at home not being able to afford to take their kids to the doctor, pay for college or their home heating bills
jr @ 90:
I'd love to see a figure on how many uninsured Americans voted for Busholini.
aw...and here, I thought I drove him away with my "The Weather Girls" lyrics.
look, the kids only need to live long enough to serve in the army.. maybe 25-30 years, tops. If they're too weak to make it to enlistment age on their own, then they'd be too weak to make good soldiers.
we'll ration our healthcare to the elite class. It's much simpler that way.
Ricky Bones @ 71:
Congress didn't set that limit. That was supposedly a limit requested by New York State, and that limit was denied. People forget that this program is for the working poor, not those who are at income levels where they would qualify for Medicaid.
Working poor means different things in different places. To qualify for a one bedroom apartment in San Francisco requires an income of $66,000 per year. That wouldn't be an apartment in a great neighborhood. That same income would get you a lot more elsewhere in the country.
Carmikl @ 94:
I live in NY state and it is expnsive to live here, but I know people making it on less - they must be considering those in and around the city.
Rick Hunter @ 42:
you related to Mike Hunter?
Expecting the government to coddle us with socialized medicine has the effect of weakening our freedoms, strenghtening government tyranny, and weakening the quality oif medice. Iy will take us down the road to communism. America has the best health care system in the world- and it is the duty of the parents- not the taxpayers- to provide them with health care coverage. Why should my tax dollars be spent on kids Ive never met? Liberals need to stop being so greedy and look at the big picture.
Hey let's not get mad over this.
[Good of you to be so understanding about being banned, pilgrim-Sitemonitor]
A Patriot @ 97:
That was comedy, right? Man, that was a GOOD ONE!!! :-)
I've heard two repugnacan radio hosts, Prager and Levin, say that it is the parents responsibility to work as many jobs as it takes to pay whatever medical bills a child has. Yes, I believe people should pay their bills, but they shouldn't face bankruptcy due to not having insurance. Prager especially is always talking about moral responsibility, don't we as a society have a moral responsibility to provide for the well being of our children. Pragers reponse? WHAAAAA! I don't want to pay taxes!.
Rick Hunter @ 27:
By convincing the uneducated mases that they should be ever so happy about working more for less pay and give up their kids to defend their profits.
A Patriot @ 97:
, and weakening
the quality oif medice. Iy will take us down the road to
communism. America has the best health care system in the world
- and it is the duty of the parents- not the taxpayers- to provide them with health care coverage
. Why should my tax dollars be spent on kids Ive never met
? Liberals need to stop being so greedy and look at the big picture
.
ckerst @ 100:
I always thought that talking shit to a mic wasn't a real job, so I get a chuckle from these talking heads lecturing people about what a real job is. Rush Limbaugh works what, 20 hrs a week tops?
Anyhow, if at least these right wingers had the cojones to say: "Paying taxes so that everyone gets to enjoy a better quality of life would interfere with the ability to own more cheap shit, ergo fuck everyone else." I would respect that, but since they don't and actually try to hide themselves behind the skirts of mommy morality... then fuck the lot of them, pansies til the end.
Police is a socialized, tax-funded service for all people.
Fire safety is a socialized, tax-funded service for all people.
Government regulates that business cannot sell people poison as breakfast food.
Roads exist for all and are used by all.
Water system maintenance, tax-funded service for all people.
What is it about general human health maintenance that is so objectionable? I am stumped.
A Patriot @ 97:
Healthcare in America is the best, but the system isn't, because many Americans can't afford access to that system. You seem to be assuming that the parents of the working poor can afford to purchase healthcare.
I don't think anyone's talking about socialized medicine, but providing guarantees to those who have an insurance agency policy, that somehow don't measure up to snuff,
And providing insurance for those between jobs or insufficient employment with insurance agencies policies that do measure up to snuff,
And to get us off snuff.
Rick Hunter @ 98:
Pilgrims put the grim back into being pills.
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children and the kittens?!
ckerst @ 100:
It's also people like these that are against abortion and contraceptives. NOW there saying it's up to the parents to work multiple jobs if their child or children get really sick or have bad accidents that put them in the hospital. It's really good for the children if their parents go bankrupt trying to take care of them. My son had an emergency appendectomy a few months back and it cost almost $17,000 for a 3 day stay along with his operation. If it weren't for the fact we have good medical insurance we would have been up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
vickif @ 109:
And while parents are working all of these jobs, who's looking after the kids? Maybe they should work yet another job so they can afford childcare.
Lano @ 89:
impeachment off the table for the same reason they would let the shrub veto a child care bill instead of binding the legislation together and forcing boosh to veto both at the same time. the powerDems are all DLC, DSCC and DCCC. they are corporatist capitulationist scum. the votes against MoveOn.ORG indicate the extent to which they are willing to cave. the fact that the dems won't nuke the filibuster shows just how much they are willing to cave. the way they abandoned Jim Webb shows just how much they are willing to cave
Carmikl @ 105:
Actually that's not true. I read recently that even the wealth in America deal with sub-standard healthcare. The input to that system, the dollars that feed it, are from private insurance. And private insurance is out of control, completely and utterly, and it's "starving the beast" at everyone's expense.
Think of it this way: go to a town where there are only a hundred residents. One of them is a doctor. He may be the best doctor around, but that's not saying a whole hell of a lot. Do you want to trust him to operate on your heart?
Now expand that. Our nation's healthcare system has been starved in the name of profit. Good doctors have quit their practices. Or simply been denied the experience required to grow as practitioners. The system itself denies them the time and funding to adequately pursue care the way they see fit. So they use an assembly-line model preferred by the insurance companies.
Even if you're well-off, you're still using the shitty U.S. healthcare system that the free market has created. To really get good healthcare as a U.S. citizen, you have to #1 know where a good doctor is who doesn't do it the way the insurance companies do, and #2 be able to regularly visit him, and #3, be able to pay him.
"Ew mommy!! What is it mommy?"
"It's a half man half monkey honey. it's rabid and has caused the deaths of innocent children in the past, you don't want to be next sweetie so don't get too close".
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slippytoad @ 112:
Patriot @ 97 loves him some Big Pharma GOP talking points. Guess Patriot would rather his tax dollars go towards killing innocent Iraqi children he never met, killing American soldiers he never met who are practically children themselves, and rebuilding the infrastructure of a country he never visited and towards starting wars that never should have been started half a world away. Republican "patriots" hate having to spend their tax dollars to improve the lives of America's children.
[...] How many children does Bush plan to kill in the name of thrift? [...]
Nancy Pelosi: “I speak with all of the sincerity and all of the hope to President Bush in the hope that he will change his mind.”
Nancy, there is no example of George W Bush having EVER CHANGED HIS MIND!!!!! Do you get that yet you ignorant cow. It is off the table! He doesn't change his mind because GOD gives him the insight in the first place, and to change his mind would be a repudiation of GOD!
I'll explain it to the kids for him:
"If we keep spending money like we are, you kids aren't even going to have an america to live in"
The difficult decision is, keep on spending.... I mean borrowing, putting our nations very future at risk, or veto the program, and put low income kids at risk.
It's a hard choice, Bush and others are going to make the choice as they see fit. To attack him, and to use emotion as your rationale, is LOW.
Why not respect the choice that someone who disagrees with you makes. Because they disagree, they are evil doers?
Carmikl @ 105:
If people in this country can't afford health care, that's not my problem. I don't see why i, as a tax payer, should be burdended with the responsibilty of paying for the health care of others through my taxes. I work long hours and I pay for a good health plan-If a person wants their kids to have health care, they need to get off their duff and work for it. Don't expect the government to do everything for you. This isn't France!
Poor kid, nightmares for a month.
How many people in this country have either no insurance or have a government funded insurance program?
A low guess seems to be around 100 million. About 2/3 of Americans have private health insurance. Since the insured are paying not only for their own coverage but, by taxes and inflated insurance premiums, for those 100 million, why is it such a stretch to expand the program to cover everyone?
http://www.cbpp.org/8-29-06health.htm
A Patriot @ 97:
, and weakening
the quality oif medice. Iy will take us down the road to
communism. America has the best health care system in the world
- and it is the duty of the parents- not the taxpayers- to provide them with health care coverage
. Why should my tax dollars be spent on kids Ive never met
? Liberals need to stop being so greedy and look at the big picture
.
There! I fixed it!
Ruthless People @ 115:
If Republicans hate children, as you assert, why are we the ones fighting for the rights of the unborn?
Liberals paint socialized medicine as the ONLY option- its not even on the table- socialized medicine is dangerous- its a path to communism. We are a nation built on free enterprise, and the most patriotic thing to do is to shun government handouts, and EARN what you get in life- You pay for health care, that simple- (but not through taxes- that is wrong)
Id rather my kids have no health coverage than a full medical coverage paid for by taxes. Soxcialized medicine would be the same as breaking into a hospital and stealing medicine.
Tom @ 118:
you left out the part where he says: "Look I kill children all over the world! But I get to watch you die and hear about your suffering for years to come. And I get to bankrupt your parents so we can enslave them later on. It's a great plan! Just be patient. You'll grow to love it!"
A Patriot @ 123:
IOW: bring 'em to life and if we can't exploit them, let them suffer and die.
A Patriot
"If Republicans hate children, as you assert, why are we the ones fighting for the rights of the unborn?"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I thought at first you were being ironic, now I'm not so sure. In any case, that is one funny statement!
Republicans are the ones who cherish life- We see life as sacred, realize sex is about procreation-NOT fornication, and seek to protect the unborn. We embace God. Liberals seem to hate everyone, and are staunch athiests. Republicans strive for people to work hard and make their dreams come true- Democrats would rather people sit back and let the government control everyhting- this is why socialized medicine is dangerous- we need to minimize government intrusion in hospitals and schools-
Its the sense of entitlement that Democrats exude I'll never understand- the feeling they have that the government owes them food, shelter, education, etc....It is a threat to freedom.
America is not-and will never be a Socialist nation-
Socialism leads to communism- which leads to fascism. Hitler was a liberal, head of Germany's socialist party, then flew off the a radical left wing jaunt,(like America's libs, he was athiest) - he then declared himself dictator- THAT is the reason socialized medicine is dangerous, becuse it may open the door to communism or liberal fascism.
As predicted, Trent Lott just tried to give Republican's credit for the SCHIP program, when it was Bill Clinton's program introduced in the his 1997 State of the Union Address. Wolf should know better and should have challenged him.
BaScOmBe @ 125:
It's easy to support the unborn. They don't eat. They don't need to be clothed, educated or insured. They don't need housing or immunizations.
Supporting the unborn does not equal loving children as the unborn are not yet children.
Patriot @ 125
"we need to minimize government intrusion in hospitals and schools-"
Oh, you mean like Terry Schiavo, right? The republicans really stayed out of that one, right?
Republicans "fight for the rights of the unborn" because they think it will get them more political power. Think it'll make em look principled. Morally superior. Nothing more.
Watch them vote for pro-choice Rudy. They're going to throw that "fighting for the rights of the unborn" right out the window if it means keeping power.
A Patriot @ 119:
A lotta folks feel that their tax dollars shouldn't be used to support a war they didn't agree to. They all worked hard for their money too. Would you agree to that position?
I believe that's called the cutting-off-the-nose-to-spite-my-face policy.
"Socialized medicine" is such a boogie man to you isn't it? Here's a program that works, is cheap, and protects children. You'll choose your ideological leanings citing some lame slippery slope towards Communism at the expense of real kids. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Still, who is going to take the bull by the horns and control spending?
Do you think the republicans have the principles and the competence to do so?
They have proven over the last six years that they cannot effectively govern.
If us democrats don't get ahold of deficit spending, I mean borrowing... and the runaway federal debt, NO ONE WILL. EVER. PERIOD.
“Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” - Yoda.
Interpreter of Maladies @ 133:
Are you a communist? If we go with socialized medicine, we will BECOME the Soviet Union-Stalin was a liberal- a socialist turned communist turned fascist- is that what you really want?
Ours is a nation built on caplitalism, not communism, and our soldiers are fighting and dying for our way of life- don't let the government sweep in and force communist programs on us- thats what FDR did- he was no better than Hitler or Stalin- he institited the socialist social security, he sent Americans to detention centers, he gave eastern Europe away to the Soviets, and he wanted to remain in office indefinatly- do you want a nightmare scenario like the FDR years- where depression swept the land- becuase of HIS failed policies? If we open the floodgates to socialized medicine, the communists will take over, and depression will destroy the economy.
Sorry, I don't think in terms of red or blue, Capitalism or Socialism. I see a program that works-- and that protects real children. You remember real people don't you? Not abstract ideas like individualism and accountability...
So all you're offering is a slippery slope argument? Pretty weak dude.
A Patriot @ 127:
Your presnit is an unelected dictator. The 5 Republican appointed activist judges on the Supreme Court thwarted the American democratic process and appointed him. Your Republican congress tried to overthrow another election by impeaching Clinton over something that had nothing to do with America's business so save your "pro America - pro Democracy" crap for your fellow wingnuts who will swallow it. Bush is considered even by our own allies to be part of the new axis of evil and one of the greatest threats to world peace http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1938434,00.html. Bush=Hitler in much of the world and Hitler would support the Reich wing fascism that you champion for America. I guess our allies, like anyone else who doesn't kneel at the alter of Bush like yourself must hate America and wants her to be a "socialist" nation in your view. Well you my friend want America to a reich wing fascist nation run my ChristianOfascist family values hypocrites like Sen. Larry Craig and Sen. David Vitter. You and your fellow Bush/GOP supporters are the reason our allies are against us, our debt is expolding, our nation is polarized, we have Vietnam in the middle east and we don't have money for our own infrastructure and homeland needs. Cheney's Halliburton is owed no bid government contracts at my expense but I'm not supposed to expect Americans to be taken care of with my tax dollars?
I will be as plain as I can possibly be "patriot". You are no "patriot". You are the type of bible toting fascist our forefathers came over from England to escape from. You and your ilk are one the the greatest threats to this nation. You and your belief system is an antithesis to just about everything America stands for. Want to live in theocracy? Then take your bible and your theocratic beliefs and move to Iran and take your fellow 29 percenters with you.
My wife and I are lucky. We can choose from several health care plans per year. This year my wife chose Kaiser. Apparently that policy costs her employer nearly $700 per month. That's $8400 per year, and I'm sure it would be more if it wasn't a group policy. It certainly would have been more if we still had children at home. We are no where near the poverty level, but that's a lotta money. Imagine someone at the near poverty level trying to fit $700 per month into their budget to buy health care insurance.
Since I'm in the final months of recovery from a broken leg, I'm glad I have that insurance. The broken leg could have cost over $25,000 without insurance since it involved surgery.
I can't imagine someone at the near poverty level trying to pay out that kinda money.
“I speak with all of the sincerity and all of the hope to President Bush in the hope that he will change his mind.”
Doesn't Pelosi know that Bush is a clinical sociopath? Good lord how ignorant is this woman!! Sociopathology cannot be treated or controlled. She thinks she can REASON with him?? How f-ing clueless is she? She thinks she can reach his conscience? This man has KILLED over a million Iraqis, many women and children. And she thinks she can change him?? A woman this insipid should not hold public office.
President Bush's policies have all been aimed at protecting and spreading freedom-Have you libs forgotten the purple fingers? Iraq is free-the problem is Iranian funded terrorists are sneaking into Iraq and killing Iraqis and Americans (which is why we need to invade Iran , but that's a different subject). In a nutshell, if you oppose Pres bush, then you oppose freedom. He is correct is rejecting socialized medicine, because he is *NOT* a communist.
Liberals can weave their own web of lies and deciet- but the fact is the American people chose Pres Bush for 2 elections- HE is our leader, and to attack him is, in my opinion, to attack America itself.
Pres Bush's opposition to medical welfare is sensible and logical and PATRIOTIC.
Ruthless People @ 138:
A Patriot @ 141:
The internet is heavily subsidized, therefore socialistic, so you should get off it. So is your police and fire department. And the roads you drive on. And if you went to public school so is it. Do you take any medicines? Most were heavily subsidized for development. Do you ever see a doctor? His/her education may have been subsidized by grants. And lastly, do you use fuel for your car? The fuel is subsidzied by our troops and private armies, paid for with our taxes, fighting to control oilfields. We should make Exxon and BP pay for their own armies and fight for their own profits.
Healthcare should be a guarantee for every citizen. And it should be single-payer and non-profit. Only ONE presidential candidate is proposing this...Dennis Kucinich!
A Patriot @ 141:
A reminder to you Patriot...if Hilllary Clinton becomes President (and I hope she doesn't), she'll have the right to name YOU an Unlawful Enemy Combatant and render you to a foreign jail to be tortured FOREVER without the right of Habeas Corpus. Do you want Hilllary to have that power? Because it looks like that's exactly what going to happen. When you're sitting in that jail cell, with electrodes attached to your genitals you'll wish you had joined with us for calling for the abolishment of the Military Commissions Act and restoration of Habeas Corpus. But you couldn't see beyond your blind ideology.
A Patriot @ 142:
f*** the children, what about the rest of us?
Christ, all we have to do is say "do it for the children" and people fall all over themselves.
F*** that.
Health Care for EVERYONE, not just the elderly, and the f***ing kids.
(full disclosure: I have 2 children.)
Why do the Republicans hate American children?
Why "protect" embryos, yet deny living, breathing children health care? The logic of Republicans confuses me to no end.
And to those who say this is a step towards "communism:" If caring about the welfare of children makes you "communist," then paint me red.
BaScOmBe @ 104:
You're right. Government does a lot of good (and some evil, especially under the current administration). That's why we should all be very suspicious of self-styled libertarians ... why helloooooo, Ron Paul.
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