CNBC GOP Debate: McCain on war with Iran: "A Possibility that is maybe closer to reality than we are discussing tonight."
By John Amato Monday Oct 08, 2007 7:36pm
On CNBC's Republican debate, Matthews asked if Congress has to authorize a strategic attack on weaponry in Iran. John McCain agrees that Congress should approve, but tries to wake this crowd up a bit when he said.
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McCain: I would at minimum consult with the leaders of Congress because there may come a time where you need the approval of Congress and I believe that this is a possibility that is maybe closer to reality than we are discussing tonight.
Here it comes---Lieberman's great hope. Call your representatives and wake them up as well. (Go to the Contact Congress box on the right side of the blog) And we all know that this will not be an attack on Iranian weaponry in its ideology. It's another Neocon fetish fulfilled that will only bring more death and destruction...
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Excellent point, Mr. Amato.
Listen to Seymour Hersh on Fresh Air last week to get a clearer picture of what is going on w/r/t Iran, as opposed to what should be being done.
God help us!
Stupid Republican idiots. Just start your stupid war if you're going to. Just spare the world the insult of trying to somehow justify it or make it seem as if this is a reluctant and unfortunate but necessary course of action, because you dopey, ignorant, drooling, self-righteous simpletons are the only ones buying that crap these days.
It won't play. Americans WILL rise up if this administration attacks Iran. The public may be stupid, but it isn't THAT stupid.
Matt in Texas @ 3:
Guess again.
seriously WHY?
Well, that's one way to generate some interest in an otherwise listless campaign. Good luck, crazy guy.
Wonderfull?!?!!....chimpy is goin to steal the next election too.........I see big trouble ahead.
I will not quietly sit while this administration expands their war crimes to include acts of aggression against another nation in the Middle East.
Just postulating that sets you further back in the race Senator.
Obama and Clinton both co-sponsored Senate bill 970. (April 24, 2007)
It is called the "Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007."
It designates Iran's army as a "terrorist organization".
The language of the bill that Obama and Clinton co-sponsored reads:
"The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189) and the Secretary of the Treasury should place the Iranian Revolutionary Guards on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224 (66 Fed. Reg. 186; relating to blocking property and prohibiting transactions with persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism)."
Both of these "top tier" (gag) candidates have given Bush the green light to go into Iran.
Thanks to them and their cronies Bush can simply say he's going after "terrorists" - not engaging the army of a sovereign nation.
Matt in Texas @ 3:
if this does happen.And people don't take to the streets......then we are stupid.
Let's see now ....
McCain wants to double than number of troops in Iraq AND attack Iran at the same time. Yeah, that might work.
Goodnight, John-Boy.
b-b-bbut isn't Eye-Ran helping Owl-Kay-Duh kill our boys in Ear-Rack?
The only one that is not for more war is Ron Paul. The rest don't really want to win the election. Ron Paul wins all of the debates. The media disses him. They want the dems to have to take over this mess this administration got us in.
Anthology @ 10:
Anthology is right.....they've been building this for awhile now.....sadly..I think this is a very real tragedy...waiting to unfold.
OK, let me offer to lead the protest and organize people to march on Washington if the asshole attacks Iran.
How magnanimous of McCain, the war criminal [let it not be forgotten that McCain's last mission in Vietnam, when he was shot down, was to bomb a lightbulb factory which, being a civilian installation, hardly qualifies as a military target and therefore is in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions] to state that "... [he] would at MINIMUM [my emphasis] consult with the leaders of Congress..." if the U.S. were to bomb Iran. Someone should point out to the senator that Article I Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution gives only Congress, and not the executive branch, the right to declare war. These warmongers are so desperate to go to war that it does not matter to them that they would be in clear violation of the Constitution to engage in raining death and destruction upon the Iranian people, to say nothing of the moral implications of that heinous act.
Yeah, I was just going to say; "Wonderful"! I will take to the streets if this happens. Mr McCain, isn't it time for your dirtnap?
Ron @ 14:
RIGHT....so they can blame Bill..errrr...... Hillary
We will attack Iran. Most likely it will be the next president. Most likely a Democrat.
The replay of the debate just started. Fred looks dead.
Matt in Texas @ 16:
ok..lets do it in Crawford......lets make sure he's there.
mudshark @ 11:
When Chaney invades Iran, hopefully the Iranians will once again light the candles for us and organize the vigils just as they did after 911. We did nothing for the Iraqis, we will do nothing for the Iranians. That's we, Americans, after all. We only give our tax dollars so the bombs can be afforded, attached, guided and dropped. As simple as that. Thinking, feeling, sensing, loving, caring, totally blocked out concepts, but that's how scared sheeple reacts, it blocks out.
The war won't happen so cheer up.
bilhelm-X @ 18:
lol -- He is getting cranky.
McCain was complaining Bush didn't drop the Atomic Bomb on Afghanistan the day after 911.
Remember that?
Matt in Texas @ 3:
ahhhhhh wellllllllllll
Matt in Texas @ 16:
If you wait till the attacks start, you're too late. This has to be stopped before it starts.
Jason at 20: It won't be the dems: period
For gawds sake the GOP has tried to destroy this country with leaks, torture, needless wars..
Well you name it they have done it..
Don't put this on the DEm's..well not all of them..
The real sh*t will start when all these countries finally say,
Hey FU we're not selling you any more oil, and the dollar is no longer the de facto oil currency standard! Now get lost!
Gaawd, you'uns need to stay on topic.
Counter-Proliferation = good.
Intel puts the Revolutionary Guard in bed with Hezbollah. So hezbollah is good to you'uns? Clue for thread hijackers: sanctions war.
McCain has become a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Nice stroking neo-con hard-ons, McCain. I kinda prefer politicians getting their rocks off in airport bathrooms (and the oval office) rather than this bloodlust of destroying whole populations.
sanctions do not equal war
To add to the problems over there, Turkey is preparing to invade Northern Iraq. Washington is telling them not to. While they are preparing to attack Iran they have the nerve to tell another country not to attack. Why doesn't some other country grab him and his henchmen when he is out of the country and put them on trial for war crimes? We all know he is guilty as sin, the whole world does.
Here is a link about Turkey:
The war myth has metastasized completely. We're no longer (maybe we never have) debated whether war is a wise way to proceed.
We're debating over whether this war plan or that war plan is workable, whether this group of mercenary thugs or that group is more trustworthy, whether a corrupt Iraqi government or a group of radical insurgents-turned-"tribal leaders" are more trustworthy, whether our generals are fair game for criticism, whether talk show hosts should be condemned for insulting the soldiers, whether funding should be open-ended or tied to benchmarks and on and on.
Cheney and Bush don't need to do anything because their premise has been utterly accepted and the only thing their "opposition" is interested in is maybe scoring some rhetorical points.
No one is interested in ending this war. No one is interested in reigning in executive power. No one cares if we torture or don't torture or if whatever it is we do is not called torture because we don't tauture our tautologies.
The ONLY reason you're seeing any action on stuff like Blackwater and Gonzales is because that gives the Democrats more power in the war game. Ending the war doesn't.
And none of this will end under Hillary. Please. She may be smarter and more competent about it, and she may move the battlefield from Iraq to Iran...or Syria...or back to Afganistan...or maybe into Saudi Arabia.
Kidding about Saudi Arabia. Let's not get crazy. It's not like they're harboring and recruiting terrorists who attacked our country or anything.
What was I thinking?
sorry guess I didn't do that right, it was on the preview lol....here is the link
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100907R.shtml
Honestly, kids, I'm not taking it too seriously.
These last six months all of the GOP candidates (save for Ron Paul) have been beating the drums of 9/11 and Iraq loud and hard. It gets them great applause at the debates and campagian appearances but most Americans are laughing them off the TV as the channel gets flipped:
1) Guiliani's 9/11 obsession has turned him into a national joke (as demonstrated by the C&L posting earlier this morning.
2) McCain's campaign is broke and trudging along despite his bloody hell war stories and John Wayne chest-beating. He, too, has become a punchline.
3) Mitt Romney's "Jack Bauer should fight the War on Terror" got him nice applause but no traction since the majority of Americans know that Jack Bauer is a fictional person.
4) Fred Thompson is either putting voters to sleep or turning them off with his repetition of White House Talking Points and his ill-advised idealoigical similarities with the Chimp.
So the only thing left for them to do to revive their listless campaigns is to the beat the war drums of Iran. But it ain't gonna work. There is no public interest in a war with Iran and no troops to fight it anyway.
I hope I'm not wrong...
I'm heading up to Vermont to see the fall foliage. I might just keep going north. You know, to beat the rush.
We attack Iran, we wont have to take to the streets. The world (sans Israel) will not stand for it. An attack on Iran WILL start WWIII. There will be a draft. Muslims in this country will not stand for it. Other countries will be pulled into it. Who's side do you think China and the Soviet Union will take? Iraq was a huge mistake. There will be no words to describe how wrong an attack on Iran will be. If this happens may the conservative's god help us all.
Bush doesn't need Congress to attack Iran. All he wants is a reason.
Authorized use of force.
Frequently used as an alternative to a declaration of war, authorized use of force is often used to avoid traditional barriers to the initiation of combat. Typically a full declaration must be ratified by various legislative bodies, but 'authorized use of force' may allow an elected head of state to directly initiate forceful action without further consultation.
McCain: I would at minimum consult with the leaders of Congress because there may come a time where you need the approval of Congress
Yeah, "Straight Talker"...its called Article One Section Eight of the f*cking Constitution. You know, that thing you swore to preserve, protect and defend.
Greg @ 39:
Bush will just round up all the Muslims in the USA like we did the "japs" in WW2.
The Fuhrer wants a legacy and, my golly, he his going to get one. Unfortunately, it may mean "Martial Law", too, for all of us here in the States.
I think the American people should have been far more vocal and should have already taken to the streets in massive numbers by now. If it isn't already too late, it will be by the time they start dropping bombs on Iran.
McCrazy is not just crazy. He's batshit crazy. And dangerous.
Oh, the irony of it...all the hype about reasons to attack Iran, and the real truth is, again, it is all about the oil and the plans to attack Iran have been on the books since before we attacked Iraq. It was a PNAC recommendation. Our soldiers keep dying, can't pull out of Iraq, and they want to attack Iran. This is worse than dumb.
PaulF @ 44:
If they do this we'll just wake up some morning and the Chimp will be on TV saying,
My fellow muricans. Last night American Forces began surgical strikes on installations in Iran.
The typical just thought you might be interested to know bullshit.
Mathew's implication that a "hot pursuit" confrontation would not be of consequence is scary. These folks must realize there are a quarter million Americans in the theatre. Should Iran retaliate with missiles, in 2 hours you guys could be playing for all the marbles.
This is insidious in both its intent and effect.
Matt in Texas @ 3:
my momma allways says stupid is as stupid does! its the box of chocklets theory
Erroll @ 17:
I disagree with the assessment that mccain is a war criminal, it is inflammatory, and I suspect misrepresentation.
give me your links so I may consider your source...
These fucking GOP lunatics are seething for war... what the fuck?! Too many damn John Wayne movies when they were young or something? Give peace a Fucking Chance for Christs sake!
wow...all the blue line emphasis was accidentel..
just show me where you got your info about the War criminalaccusation.
(McCain may be a lot of things, but that i suspect is not one of them.
McCain may be so intent upon going after Iran and "winning" in Iraq because it may be a way for him, in his mind, to make up for the fact that the U.S. lost in Vietnam. It is too late for him to get back at the North Vietnamese so instead he will take his revenge for being taken prisoner at those in the Middle East whom he somehow perceives to be the enemies of the United States. But then McCain makes about as much sense as the rest of the war making Republicans, which is none at all.
It sounds to me like the GOP (Grumpy Old Pedophiles) are trying to goad the Iranians into striking Israel and cracking down on their domestic Jewish population and domestic political opposition. Amendinijad has no greater ally than the Republican party, their deep operatives in the Democratic party (DLC) and the Corporate Media.
duncanidho @ 52:
the manchurian candidate?
L.A. Confidential @ 40:
Yep. As we've seen with wiretapping, torture and countless other abuses of power, the Decider decides and Congress plays catch up. If he thinks he has the authority, well by golly he's going to exercise it -- and worry about the paperwork later.
Be very afraid.
If what we're waging now is the "War on Terror", World War II must have been the "War on Horror". And since Terror and Horror are almost identical in terms of fear or dread so, if I were you, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of WW III come to being, the words to describe it ain't even yet in a f*****g dictionary.
duncanidho @ 50:
Don't bother with the nutbag links...Your right, Duncan. McCain is not a war criminal and to imply that is not only irresponsible, its Not F*cking Helping.
I wish that clip went on a little further, because right after John McCain says this ominous warning, Fred Thompson says "I think John is right" or something to that effect. It would be a nice clip for people to see of Fred's first participation in the political debate.
Peace.
The GOP is doing their utmost to stop global tourism. An attack on Iran will assure that goal is met.
Layne @ 37:
you should take this seriously........and I hope your right
Anthology @ 10:
I believe this is wrong. You are talking about the Lieberman-Kyl sense of the senate amendment to house bill 1585 that was voted on in the Senate on Sept 26.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm...
Yes, Hillary voted YEA, but Obama did not vote. Neither was a co-sponsor.
Go to HELL, McCain.
And don't drag us there with you.
Matt in Texas @ 3:
Wanna bet?
#2 -
If you don't think there are Democrats that have helped with the ultimate attack on Iran you haven't been paying attention.
#3 -
If they haven't risen up yet, they are not going to. Maybe they'll buy a bracelet or ribbon to "feel good", but that's about it.
And by they I mean the majority. There are a lot of great patriots that have been protesting the current wars and all the other crimes. Some have even been arrested. Strike911.org tried to get a nation wide strike type protest. Too bad all these popular blogs didn't jump on board. But...maybe they can promote some "End the Iran War" bracelets.
#7-
Hillary has already been chosen to be the one to continue the neo-con's plans. The funny thing is the Democrats are the ones falling for it this time.
#8-
OK...Tell me what you're going to do?
#10-
It's nice to see people paying attention. Good on ya! It's too bad so many people are easily fooled by those two just because they put a "D" beside thier name.
#11-
If you don't think people are stupid now after everything that has been happening....well...
#14-
Some people will dismiss him because he has a "R" beside his name.
I'll stop at #14...
Soooo...Who wants to buy some bracelets and ribbons??????? :P
it'll happen when we're not paying attention..holidays?...that psycho bastard will do it.
Anthology @ 10:
Actually the Senate bill 970 did contain that language and was co-sponsored by Hillary and Obama but it never came to a vote or even scheduled for debate. Now we know why Obama skipped voting on the Lieberman-Kyle bill which it looks like replaced it.
Most of the Politicians on the stage are but puppets on the stage. They serve a machine behind the scenes that goes by many names, but is essentially an international “Global Elite” class of people. GOP, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal, Right Left mean nothing to them but they are obscure terms used to confuse the masses. These people are not Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu’s or whatever. They use these paradigms to Divide And Conquer. Their motto is “Order Out Of Chaos”. Why do you think there is so much “Chaos”? What is their final goal? Most people here, including myself are nothing more than “Surplus Population”. Here is the proof:
http://www.crystalinks.com/gaguidestones.html
They like to put things into your face. They enjoy watching you fight with each other, spew hatred and call each other names. They like, even more, watching you murder one another. They get off on it but realize that they are driven by a goal and you are to be the carnage, one way or another...sooner than you think.
justabill @ 67:
Chris Dodd was a cosponsor of that too, but he voted no to Lieberman-Kyl.
God save us.
Come yourself.
Don't send your son.
This is no place for children.
Until they reinstate the draft, there will be no Vietnam era style mass protests. We as a country are too happy sitting in front of our 50" plasma's and W knows it. He's gotten away with murder up until now - why would invading Iran change anything?
McCain is not a "War Criminal"... he's just a sellout to AEI. Remember in Nov. and Dec 2006 when he came out with Liebermann on the AEI stage and sold the "New Way Forward" plan from Kegan as the surge?
Up until that point he was against it. He has sold out to get the nomination, but the wheels have kept coming off his "express".
It really is insane that almost all the candidates on both sides are so pro war. The frontrunners on the Democratic side won't call for a immediate pullout from Iraq. It makes me wonder who is really running this country as it isn't the will of the people.
If a Democrat wins in 2008, Dubya will play the same trick his father did only on a far more destructive scale; he will leave the next President with a war, and I don't mean Iraq or Afghanistan. Expect an attack on Iran in late 2008 after the election.
It's not so amazing that they are all for the war in iran.
Read this short article about our good general lying again to step up the war on Iran.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/culture-of-lies-petraeus-at-i...
Did you know that a scholar from CFR helped him write his testimony to congress last month?
Most of the candidates are CFR members; and all of the Corporate Members are defense contractors.
Bush=Hitler.
GOP=warmongering fascists
They must be stopped.
Sure!! America is "attacked" again, the neocons blame it on Iran for providing material support to "terrorists", and we go in. Start poppin the popcorn and adjust your TV sets everyone.....
LOL, an attack on Iran would be not only stupid, but almost suicidal.
Iran is one of the biggest oil providers to China. If you think the largest standing army is willing to have its oil supplies compromised, the neo cons are about to get a rude awakening regarding the fact that there are people out there which are as ambitious and not afraid to flex their muscles to preserve their interests as they are.
In any case, which what money are these dumbasses going to attack Iran. The US is right now in debt to the gills to countries like China, which as stated above depends upon Iranian sweet crude to move their million man army around.
The US is like the school bully who just found out suffers from asthma, and wants to borrow your inhaler to kick your best friends ass. Next thing the bully still thinks that it can terrorize your best friend , except that he falls into the ground with a massive asthma attack before even landing the first punch, while your best friend laughs at the bully struggling to breath and with panic stricken eyes gets to see you taunt him with your inhaler.
This is, the US as a whole is still in denial about its actual place in the world... and trust me a paper tiger doesn't rule the jungle for long once the elephant realizes the fragility of paper mache... I for once welcome the day in the near future, when the majority of the ignorant rednecks in this country realize that white trash like all manners of fecal matter always sinks to the bottom.
I realize that posting comments on a blog is not the place where you would describe a comprehensive plan for dealing with Iran but I'm waiting to read something more coherent then "these neo-cons are all war mongers". I think Hillary knows what type of threat a nuclear armed Iran would be but it would seem to be suicidal for her to articulate this in the Democratic primaries owing to the simplistic Anti-War, We-Hate-War primary voters.
Expressing our pacifist views will not make Iran go a way. It takes two to tango in the pacifist world, how about some articulate discussion on what to do with Iran.
"The absence of America at war does not mean peace"
#78 You would be correct ....China will not sit idly by and watch it's oil(natural resource)get cut off or even threatened.....Their Generals must be screaming right now.
Dr. Who;
"LOL, an attack on Iran would be not only stupid, but almost suicidal."
You are absolutely right. Did you hear about the SCOs war games in the Caspian region?
Check out my article "A Line in the Sand". It details who is lining up against us in the area. By the way; Iran was accepted into the SCO as a member nation.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/10/07/the-line-in-the-sand/
Joementum @ 6:
This douchebag can't concede fast enough for me.
Dr. Who @ 78:
SCO = China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan,and Tajikistan as full members.
Pakistan, India, Mongolia, and Iran have signed on as observers, with Iran formally requesting membership in 2006.
War games in Aug. 2007 called "Peace Mission 2007".
Here is a link to Peace Mission 2007
http://informeddissent.com/2007/10/05/peace-mission-2007-sco/
duncanidho @ 50:
Who gives a shit if he is a war criminal... He was one of the few to sign all that anti-American shit at the Hanoi Hilton. I would have forgiven him for having to do that under those situations, if he weren't milking his POW status for political gain and justification.
In any case, the guy is for all intents and purposes a fucking moron: He crashed a jet during training, almost sinked a whole aircraft carrier when his plane "misfired" a rocket on deck, and got shot down and he singed like a little bitch.
duncanidho & Johnny2Bad
As difficult as it seems to be for you two to believe, your hero John McCain is indeed a war criminal. I am not in the habit of making things up out of whole cloth. The article where I obtained the information is not, unfortunately, available online [ it can, however, be sourced through Lexis-Nexis]. The article originally appeared in the Knight-Ridder newspapers during the 2000 campaign and starts off by describing McCain's last mission from, shockingly, a Vietnamese point of view. The principal participant, a security guard named On, was interviewed in 2000 in the same spot where McCain's plane was shot down.
"When [Mai Van] On finally got to him, about 200 yards out, all the older man could see was a bit of white silk, the top of the American's parachute. With U.S. planes still bombing and strafing their target of the day-a nearby light-bulb factory where On worked as a security guard-On used a stout bamboo pole to hoist McCain off the bottom of the lake."
The article goes on to say how On stopped the Vietnamese, who had been hiding in a tunnel during the raid, from beating him. On rescued him from a number of Vietnamese who were ready to attack McCain with bricks.They then took McCain to the prison in downtown Hanoi.
It is instructive to note that McCain has never apologized for bombing civilians nor for what the U.S. military did to the Vietnamese, when the U.S. dropped more bombs on the Vietnamese people, [thereby causing the deaths of any where from 2 to 5 million Vietnamese people], than the U.S. dropped the entire time during World War II. On the contrary, McCain is no doubt proud of what he did when he was a pilot during the war. Though it has not been confirmed, it has been rumored that McCain has referred to the Vietnamese as Gooks.
McCain cannot claim that he was simply following orders as that excuse did not work out too well for the German officers and soldiers who tried to justify their crimes at the Nuremberg Trials after World War II, as they were subsequently hanged for their actions. Unlike most countries around the world, American Exceptionalism apparently proves that the rules and punishment apply to everyone except those who seemingly wear an American uniform.
John McCain, war criminal? You bet he is.
BigKAD @ 79:
Right, because Iran has such a history of belligerent preemptive attack of other countries....
Dr. Who @ 89:
That would seem to be somewhat simplistic Dr. Who. This is a different kind of struggle where state sponsors of terrorism can pose significant threats, especially if they develop technology that they can transfer to other terrorists.
BigKAD @ 91:
Your not getting the bigger picture
BigKad;
the problem with your logic is that the IAEA has concluded their 3 year study of the Iranian nuke sites and they have concluded that the Iranians are adhering to international law...
they are not developing weapons grade materials. and they are obeying international law.
So you could say that Iran having the Super Secret Sonic Moon Based Laser Beam Weapon is a BAD thing...
but they don't HAVE ONE. and they aren't working on one.
When they attack Iran, not IF, but when they do - LOOK for 4-5 dollars a gallon of gas!
Iranian mullah's will shut down the oil supply to the west.
BigKAD;
"where state sponsors of terrorism can pose significant threats,"
the 9/11 Commission Report concluded when asked about the $100,000 the ISI (long time partner with the CIA, Daddy Bush's old agency) funneled to Atta 6 weeks before 9/11...they said...
Ultimately the funding for the attacks is of "little consequence".
doesn't really support your theory there, does it?
Would Americans rise up? Cripes, I doubt it. I really do think it would take a draft to get people to really start caring.
Seriously;
"Would Americans rise up?"
If they found out for sure that the administration allowed 9/11 or worse...so that they could implement the Friedman Disaster Capitalism Model and impose the Imperial Presidency that Cheney and others have wanted for decades?
Hell yeah we would.
Shades of rove. McCain was in cockpit with preflight checks when a missile inadvertently launched from a jet into his or the A/C beside it. Cause of misfire: stray static electricity during weapons checks made by technician. The Forrestal (USS Zippo, USS Forrest Fire) was cursed until decommissioned. Apparently so was McCain.
willyloman @ 95:
You gotta get past the tinfoil hat conspiracy garbage willy. Then I'll take you seriously.
willyloman @ 93:
I find it interesting that you are so willing to trust an international agency with a questionable history of being right over your own country. I'm not saying to start the bombing, just that we have to be skeptical of an Islamic-Radical state that has a history of supporting terrorism. If you think that America is making up Iran's ties to terrorism, then our debate is over.
BigKAD @ 91:
bullshit
Great to hear Ron Paul telling them they are insane.
Gates and Rice are fighting against it so who knows.
The decider will decide and that is scary.
Geez.
combover Mccain doesn't care how many people die so he can feel butch when his little soldier can no longer stand at attention
Joementum @ 38:
Wait fer me!!!
tyree @ 101:
Good comeback... I'm so deflated that I'm going to bed. buh-bye
BigKAD @ 105:
pull the covers over your head
the real boogie mans in the whitehouse!
What does Mc Cain know about "reality" since he seems to live in an alternate universe? The Republican reality is that they are going to be buried next November.
BigKAD @ 100:
Iran hasn't invaded another country since 400 BC when it was "crashed" by 300 Spartans. Iran isn't a hostile nation. Period. The Quds forces were helping the NATO forces during the Kosovo conflict, providing humanitarian aid before and during the conflict, openly cooperating with the American forces under Clinton. NOW, when Ahmud AJ says Iran is a peaceful nation, he states simply the fact. America and Israel are the nations that start wars that kill hundreds of thousands of people. Many wars and that's a fact. The Iranians don't kill those people, the Americans, Blackwater, Israelis do. History shows that Iranian nation never attacks first, unless you want to Go Powell in the UN, spin the history before Jesus Christ and use the times of the Roman Empire to justify bombing and ruining another ancient and very proud nation in the Middle East. Go ahead. Bush and Chaney are insane. That's given. Now what the f**k are we gonna do about it. Buy into the insanity of a few, old, soulless and misguided people curious of undiscovered fascisms and bloody isms or say f**k no and remain like the old-fashioned, Constitution-obeying American patriots that knew f*****g better?
Poor John. He coulda been a contenda before he hitched his wagon to George Bush's war caboose.
But then again, anyone who would still kiss Bush's ass after Bush swiftboated him in the 2000 South Carolina primary deserves to be kicked in the teeth.
McCain's a marshmallow head and I heard his old man helped cover up Israel's attack on the U.S.S. Liberty.
At any rate, both are what Kissinger would call military pawns, or dumb animals.
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Isn't war just grand?
AMERICA:
The corporate elite loves war. It keeps their pockets full, their bellies plump, their kids in school. Top tier candidates on both sides are not only being endorsed by corporate America but also ARE pro war. You see, keep the corporate elites happy, they keep the MSM BS flowing, then in turn, they get represented in the polls and papers. Hell, polls now don't even ask about Kucinich. Why is this? Even HuffPo is all Hillary/Obama with a sprinkling of Edwards. Like even HuffPo wants more war. Why not, it sells stories, RIGHT?
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Dear John Mc.,
For a decorated war hero who was tortured, how can you stand silent concerning your
lover'sboss' inate ability to not care about torture, and order it anyway?Got Principles?
XXOO
America
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Max-1 @ 112:
Spot on. HOWEVER, the elites have no way of seeing what's going on in every US household and trailer, they don't see the rage brewing as every American gets poorer with each passing month, wondering why the Canadians earn more AND their dollars are worth more, as the debt hits 9 trillion and the only truth the politicians can guarantee is that they can't guarantee anything, frauds hired by the people as the Constitution states, yet working against them from day 1 to the last one. So as the elites think they got the system right, there is this beautiful change that's happening before our eyes, less of Fox news, more of blog news, people accidently yet consciously using phrases such as "this terrorist crap again" in public places to relieve the emotional weight and pressure the Bush administration and media forced upon them for too many years now and getting grateful, smiley signs of recognition in return. So there you have it, tens of million of free Americans being f**cked by a few elite politicians defrauding the Constitution by not working for them, the Americans but Establishment instead, politicians who can’t spend a few extra billion for kids, can’t bring soldiers home, can’t force creation of free Palestine, can’t say no to foreign influence, can’t say no to more wars, can’t say yes to real diplomacy, can’t say truth, can’t be honest, can’t effectively educate, can’t effectively and affordably cure the young and the poor offering nothing but debt to fill the coffers of the real employers of Congress, so as the people are waking up and seeing this defrauded America, Constitution, Congress, Media, defrauded Reality that is so different than any other reality in the world for the simple reason, here the people of all ages are nurtured by Congress, bankers and military industry and their ideology of power taken by force to make money first and foremost, by killing, bombing and spreading suffering for a very few and paying the dividends for the We the People. Say it ain’t so. They take you tax dollars to buy armor and fund wars and all you get in return is a weaker currency, poisoned toys, ever emanating fear off your TV screens, poisoned food, expensive gas, expensive meds, anti-Americanism, can’t insure 40% of the people, can’t afford to pay the retirees, socializing is bad, globalizing is good, Americans are bad, corporations are good. Luckily, the people are finally awakened. So bring it on.
Ron Paul says what others wont
That don't mean I'm gonna vote for him.
Other notable clips here eg this one
Huckabee is FoS.
ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH OF THESE WAR MONGERING IDIOTS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ENOUGH
Chris Matthews wants to go back to precivil rights era of the 50s and 60s. What a racist.
watch here
doesn't clinton also want to get her war on with iran?
Syd B @ 120:
yes
transcript
all the republican candidates but Paul are anti-Constitution. video here
McCain would rather strongarm the disenfranchised and politically invisible people of other countries (who can't speak for themselves), by supporting Resource Wars like our current war against Iraq, than drill in the US, out of fear that the Floridians or Arizona citizens may not support the drilling. What a pussy.
Also, he naively thinks that American Oil Companies would use their more than $100 billion "profits to further the cause of alternate energy, nuclear power, of a lot of other ways that we have to employ in order to eliminate our dependence on foreign oil"
McCain is owned by the oil industry. When asked "Should the oil industry pay higher taxes" he dodged the question:
fred hypocrite thompson
watch as he spins and backtracks and contradicts what he says
then later in the program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s26X4jXU2G4
nate Says:
so after 6 years of huffing and puffing about the neocons - the democratic nominee will be a neocon? have i fallen through the looking glass again?
Unending war for unending profit....meanwhile only the masses will suffer...
This is the Republican mantra
Matt in Texas @ 17:
I'll be right beside you, brother!
Peace! GWB - WPE - War Criminal Extraordinaire'
What amazes me is the callousness of these people when they speak of war. Even the ones that have suffered the most in war seem to have forgotten what war means. Old men should never be the ones to choose where and when the young should die for the delusions of the feeble minded old white men.
Meaning Hillary Clinton will continue this war.
Why is Oceannia getting off scotch free?
And can I have some shots?
At the risk of giving Americans too much credit, I can't imagine anything less than a mass public revolt if Iran is attacked.
And if Americans are too stupid to do anything (a decent bet)...the international community will rise up and collectly bitch slap the US (which is greatly deserved).
Bush has been advising the Democrats, who both support attacking Iran. This is a one party system in effect. Ron Paul is the only candidate that supports the Constitution and ending the wars. The left-right paradigm is being used as divide and conquer, see through it and vote for freedom!
ysbaddaden @ 130:
... because everyone knows that we have always been at war with Eurasia...
tyree @ 102:
No kidding... attacking another country based on innuendo and flimsy evidence at least... now that is what this country is coming down to?
BTW, could anyone review the tally of innocent Iranians killed by the US vs. the # of innocent Americans killed by Iran? We could use that to figure out who should be preemptively attacking whom...
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The issue of an attack Iran is not being taken seriously enough. Iran is certainly capable of sinking US warships in the Persian Gulf, and seriously damaging or even sinking an aircraft carrier.
What, friends, might be the effect of unending repetition of videos of a fleet in flames, an aircraft carrier sinking?
For those who have read Naomi Klein's new book, at least, the prospect should give pause.
Ron @ 15:
Ron Paul is the only choice that will steer this country in the right direction. All other candidates will keep us on the same course or speed us up toward bigger government, bigger debt and more war.
CNBC GOP Debate: Warmonger McCain Strikes Again
[...]McCain on war with Iran: ?A Possibility that is maybe closer to reality than we are discussing tonight.?[...]
I don't think McCain is endorsing the strike, I think he thinks what many of of fear. Bush will strike Iran. He will do so regardless of protests, marches in the street, regardless of what the people will. Given the bubble his staff keep him in, he may even believe this is actually the right thing to do.
War is a business to these people. The longer the war, the greater the profits. They will only stop when imprisoned.
I don't think McCain would strike if he were in office.
D.
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