Hardball: Buchanan and Maddow on Larry Craig--"Compassionate Conservatism" on Parade
By Nicole Belle Wednesday Oct 17, 2007 11:00am
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On Wednesday's Hardball, Chris Matthews brings on Pat Buchanan and Rachel Maddow to discuss what should be Larry Craig's future in the Senate. While Rachel did a great job of trying to make it clear that the issue with Larry Craig is not that he has allegedly committed homosexual acts, but it was the hypocrisy of condemning others for the same acts, Pat Buchanan remained defiantly obtuse to the end, even managing to get his digs in on Democrats. However, the last statement by Chris Matthews is simply puzzling.
BUCHANAN: He has not - I don't know that he has denounced...some individual homosexual. He has said ‘this is an immoral lifestyle.' Now you yourself would say that he can't help the fact if he's attracted to this sort of thing. And it's either nature or nuture. But it's something over which he may have had no control and then to say to fall to that is to fall to an unnatural, immoral lifestyle-I don't see the inconsistency. I see a failed human being who may not be able to face the truth about himself, who's got a horrible situation with his wife, who needs his friends with him and whose party dumped him, except for Arlen Specter, I think. Maybe some of the guys up in Idaho stood by him for a while and when it comes to the final thing, if you're going to condemn him and/or censure him, which I think is too strong...I think condemnation like what was done to Barney Frank would be justified and I think but it's not what ...
MATTHEWS: They ended up actually, Pat, they ended up censuring Barney. They went all the way with that one.
BUCHANAN: They censured the other fella up there, what's his name up there...
MATTHEWS: Gerry Studds
BUCHANAN: Yeah, they did that and he wound up Chairman of a committee; that's the Democratic standard.
MATTHEWS: Pat, I now think I've seen the face of compassionate conservatism. It is your face.
Um, WTF???
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Yeah, I saw that segment. I'm thinking Tweety was kinda bustin' Buchanan's balls a bit there. I.E., "compassionate conservative" means watching out for ones own "kind."
Is this some sort of reich-wing bathroom code word?
Don't forget, this is Pat Buchanan.
His "compassionate conservatism" includes being compassionate to ex-Nazi death camp guards and vicious anti-Semites.
Larry Craig talks just like Ted Haggard!
I don't neccessarily think the issue is the hypocrisy of his past condemnation of homosexuals. The fact of the matter is the guy was caught soliciting sexual favors. Male to male or male to female, who cares. Granted, the charge got knocked down to misdemeanor distubing the peace (?) or something like that, but he was actually busted for solicitation.
I think that bears repeating. It shouldn't matter that it was a homosexual encounter, it should matter that he was busted for solicitation.
It makes a hypocrite on more than one level.
Dr. Matt @ 2:
I read it as a backhanded compliment.
Pat thinks his friends should stand beside him. At least they won't be sitting beside him...
You don't , you stupid old ignorant imbecile ?
How about Craig doesn't say anything at all about homosexuality ; that make sense to you , Pat ?
What the hell is with every one of these GOP apologist pieces of shit ?
Do they believe everyone is going to buy every stupid weak excuse they try to fob off as some sort of legitimate argument ?
Mostly this whole Craig thing is pitiful. But I do find it amusing, and helpful that Craig's ever changing list of promises is keeping people like Buchanan on the run and totally preoccupied!
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David B.
"Pat, I now think I’ve seen the asshole of compassionate conservatism. It is your face."
He's a failed human being, yeah that's the way to support him!
He has no control! He can't face the truth. He has a horrible situation with his wife! He can't help but have homosexual affairs! Yes he should remain a senator!
Why don't they change the name of MSNBC to MSPBC -- the Microsoft Pat Buchanan Channel?
I mean, Jesus, he's on every show, every night -- and what does he have to contribute, exactly?
GAY!
Clavis @ 12:
He gives freely , all his accumulated ignorance and stupidity , on a moment-to-moment basis ........
Hey!
We can bid on the actual letter Harry reid sent Rush Limbaugh!!
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No control? That's the excuse for rape. It doesn't fly (pun intended) either.
Novemberelection @ 15:
Wouldn't it be kick-ass if George Soros bought the letter? Would Rush accept the money?
I like the way Rachel handles herself. She let's the other person get their say and then responds. She doesn't get down into all the yelling and talking over each other that you so often see on Hardball.
They bring up Gerry Studds again? They've really got nothing.
Rush is MATCHING the winning bid to go to the Marine charity....and has DARED Reid and the rest of the 41 dems to match it also.
Actually it's not just hypocricy on Larry Craig's flirt with a bathroom cop. It's the fact that most gays don't go around picking up men in bathrooms.
Bathrooms are meant for relieving oneself...
Uh...let me rephrase that.
Novemberelection @ 15:
Yeah, only the money goes to Rush and he is "donating it to charity"
Here is an excerpt from the Larry Craig interview.
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Police audio tape)
Larry Craig: Am I going to have to fight you in court?
Dave karsnia: No. No. I'm not going to go to court unless you want me there.
Larry Craig: Because I don't want to be in court either.
Dave Karsnia: All right. I, I know I can bring you to jail, but that's not my goal here, okay?
Larry Craig: Don't do that. You you--
Dave Karsnia: I'm not going to bring you to jail
Larry Craig: You solicited me.
Dave Karsnia: OK. We're going to get, we're going to get into that. Larry Craig: Let's go back to the interrogation tape. To me, that's so important. Because that was my frame of mind. That was the truth. He kept trying to drag me into other things that just didn't happen. This was an officer that was more interested in the arrest than he was the facts. And I found out I was caught in a situation that I had never been in my life, Matt.(Police audio tape)
Dave Karsnia: Do you wish to talk to us at this time?
Larry Craig: I do
Dave Karsnia: OK, I just want to start off with a your side of the story, OK.
Larry Craig: So I go into the bathroom here as I normally do, I'm a commuter too here.
Dave Karsnia: OK.
Larry Craig: I sit down, uh, to go to the bathroom and ah, you said our feet bumped. I believe they did, ah, because I reached down and scooted over and, the next thing I knew, under the bathroom divider comes a card that says police. Now, that's about as far as I can take it, I don't know of anything else. Ah, your foot came toward mine, mine came towards yours, was that natural? I don't know. Did we bump? Yes. I think we did. You said so. I don't disagree with that.Matt Lauer: So, you don't remember at any time tapping your foot?
Larry Craig: I do not.
Matt Lauer: In this way?
Larry Craig: I do not.
Matt Lauer: But in the interrogation tape, you do talk about is it possible your feet brushed?
Larry Craig: Yes.
Matt Lauer: And--
Larry Craig: And I don't know-- it was possible. But I don't recall that. And he kept leading me into this. And I kept saying no. It's clearly on the tape, Matt.(Police audio tape)
Dave Karsnia: And when you went in the stalls, then what?
Larry Craig: Sat down.
Dave Karsnia: OK. Did you do anything with your feet?
Larry Craig: Positioned them, I don't know. I don't know at the time. I'm a fairly wide guy.
Dave Karsnia: I understand.
Larry Craig: I had to spread my legs.
Dave Karsnia: OK.
Larry Craig: When I lower my pants so they won't slide.
Dave Karsnia: OK.
Larry Craig: Did I slide them too close to yours? Did I, I looked down once, your foot was close to mine.
Dave Karsnia: Yes.
Larry Craig: Did we bump? Ah, you said so, I don't recall that, but apparently we were close.
Dave Karsnia: Yeah, well your foot did touch mine, on my side of the stall.
Larry Craig: All right.Matt Lauer: You know that there has to be thousands of people who have heard this story now, senator.
Larry Craig: Sure.
Matt Lauer: They're trying to picture how this-- you know, they're flashing back to every time they've ever sat in a bathroom--
Larry Craig: Oh, I know.
Matt Lauer: --stall. And they're trying to think, "Can that happen? How close are you actually to the guy next to you?" And this is that infamous wide stance, which I think what you actually said is, "I'm a wide guy," is the actual quote you said. But-- and they're thinking, "It's not that easy to touch the guy's foot next to you." And so, how could it have happened?
Larry Craig: Well, as I-- it didn't happen.
And what about his hand? The details are critical. The palm-up gesture, regarded as a coded message for men seeking sex.
(Police audio)
Dave Karsnia: OK. And then with the hand. How many times did you put your hand under the stall?
Larry Craig: I don't recall. I remember reaching down once. There was a piece of toilet paper back behind me and picking it up.Larry Craig: Something attracted my attention, and I looked down. And as I looked down, I saw a piece of toilet paper on the floor. And it happened to be under my heel … and I don't know if you've seen it before, but I've seen it, somebody walk out of a booth with a piece of toilet paper stuck to their foot. I'd reached down to take it off my shoe, or out from under my shoe. And my hand did go below the divider at that moment in time.(Police audio tape)
Dave Karsnia: Was your palm down or up when you were doing that?
Larry Craig: I don't recall.
Dave Karsnia: OK. I recall your palm being up. OK.
Larry Craig: All right.
Dave Karsnia: when you pick up a piece of paper off the ground, your palm would be down, when you pick something up.
Larry Craig: Yeah, probably would be. I recall picking the paper up.
Dave Karsnia: And I know it's hard to describe here on tape but actually what I saw was your fingers come underneath the stalls, you're actually touching the bottom of the stall divider.
Larry Craig: I don't recall that.
Dave Karsnia: You don't recall
Larry Craig: I don't believe I did that. I don't.
Dave Karsnia: I saw, I saw.
Larry Craig: I don't do those things.
Dave Karsnia: I saw your left hand and I could see the gold wedding ring when it when it went across. I could see that. On your left hand, I could see that.
Larry Craig: Well, we can dispute that. I'm not going to fight you in court and I, I reached down with my right hand to pick up the paper.Dave Karsnia: I know you're not going to fight me. But that's not the point … You're sitting here lying to a police officer.Matt Lauer: To this day, you would say to me at no time did you ever use your left hand and go anywhere near your foot or the stall divider.
Larry Craig: Matt, I would have had to turn almost sideways to reach clear across and around. And I absolutely did not do that.
Matt Lauer: So, again, the fact these motions seem to replicate a well-established sequence of signals for soliciting anonymous sex, it's a coincidence?
Larry Craig: I now know that this cop is-- this officer is a profiler. He said looking into a stall was one of it. And then a hand gesture or a foot tap is another one … Now I know all about profiling. I know what people feel like when they're profiled. When innocent people get caught up in what I was caught in as an innocent person, it's very angering at times.
Matt Lauer: You-- you said on a couple of occasions, senator, that-- that this officer, this undercover officer, was a profiler. You said that he tried to put words in your mouth. Are you saying he's a liar?
Larry Craig: I'm say--
Matt Lauer: That these two stories are different?
Larry Craig: They are very different stories. What I'm saying is if what I said on that tape is the truth, you heard my voice. You heard his voice. You saw how hard he worked to get me to say things that I didn't say because I didn't do it.
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The reason why I post it is because there is something in it, in Larry Craig's own words that Matt Lauer failed to challenge him on. It is this:
Craig said that he sat down with his pants dropped, and his legs spread.
He then describes(read the transcript) that he noticed a piece of toilet paper under his heel, and he reached down to remove it.
Here is what sounds far fetched about that claim.
When a man sits on a toilet, with his pants down it is almost impossible for him to see the floor area where his heels are planted, because as he sits on the toilet the dropped pants and underwear are blocking the view of his shoes. heel.
Fanon @ 22:
His food bills ?
Rush is donating it to a marine charity that gives money to the kids of Marines killed in action so they can go to college.
What's wrong with that?
Site Monitor: Want to know what's wrong with this post? It's OFF TOPIC! Stop hijacking the thread.
Novemberelection @ 20:
As much money that Drugbaugh makes, he should be ashamed that he is only matching it.
Novemberelection @ 15:
Bid on it? How about we ALL sign it!
Novemberelection @ 25:
Plenty. It shouldn't take an act of "charity" to help our fighting men and women.
Novemberelection @ 20:
Wow............Challenging those who make 1/64th the salary you make to open their wallets to compete with you.
What next , Fat Fuck Limpballs ?
Gonna' challenge a starving Biafran baby to a pie eating contest ?
ysbaddaden @ 21:
Right, and he didn't "have an affair". He was soliciting anonymous sex in an airport bathroom. Apparently not for the first time, either.
Nevermind that the consensual relationship Gerry Studds had was completely legal in DC at the time (as it would be today as the age of consent in DC is 16), and it wasn't until afterward that Congress came up with any rules against relationships with pages. They censured him for breaking a rule that they hadn't came up with yet.
Novemberelection @ 25:
The fact that with his relentless war cheerleading Rush helped get those Marines killed in the first place. But hey, kid, here's fifty bucks towards college!
I guess this little stunt might help him salve his conscience, if he has one.
MCMetal @ 29:
No wonder reich-wingers are so fiscally irresponsible. Senators make somewhere around 160K/year while Drugbaugh makes that much in < 2 months and yet reich-wingers want Senators to donate ~70% of their annual salary to charity. Only in reich-wing world could someone propose something so stupid.
Novemberelection @ 25:
How about donating to the same cause ANONYMOUSLY ?
Especially seeing as how ridiculously high his salary is ; especially when you stop to consider his only 'talents' are to lie and over-eat.......And all he does is talk about how much more he "supports the troops" more than anyone else , ever , in US history.
Being defiantly obtuse is SO gay
Novemberelection @ 30:
Drugbaugh and the GOPigs are an EMBARASSMENT [sic] to America.
Great minority party there.
I'm scratching my head over that remark PB made about Ted Kennedy. Kennedy pleaded guilty in relation to the Chappaquidick incident. And then ...? Didn't he just accept the suspended sentence?
Anybody out there have any idea what PB is talking about?
Novemberelection @ 25:
I find it appalling that he is mocking the letter that was sent to him in all sincerity by a memeber of Congress asking that he apologize for his insenstitive remarks. I don't care what he uses the money for, I wouldn't give him one red cent.
Now, back to the topic.....
Fanon @ 22:
One little Dominican boy at a time...
Surprised at all the hostility. Buchanan makes a good case for his position. (I don't buy it because
I agree that the real issue is the hypocrisy of making your career out of attacking something
you secretly are) . Buchanan also says a person's friends should stand by them even when
they make a mistake. To hate the sin and love the sinner. I believe that is principled. That
is 'compassionate conservatism'. There was no irony.
I've seen the ass of a poodle.
It is Chris Matthews' face.
Pat Buchanan thinks that Larry Craig has human fault for being attracted to the same sex and yet still believe that same sex is immoral and doing the best he can to avoid it but fell from grace in doing so. Basically Pat is saying that same sex attraction is a disease and you shouldn't censure someone for having those affliction of desire from office.
That's pretty compassionate from the conservative. While the liberal would embrace and accept him just as the way he is and not try to cure him of his desire. Pat Buchanan put up a pretty good fight, but only if you believe that same sex attraction is a human failing affliction.
Novemberelection @ 33:
How about asking those kids later in life if they'd rather have the parent they lost in an unnecessary and illegal (not to mention idiotic) war , as opposed to some college fund money , jerkoff ?
And how they feel about receiving that money from some bloated douchebag that cheered the war from its very inception that created their situation/caused their parent's death ; yet the same bloated turd was too chickenshit when it was his time/turn to defend his country and he bagged out over a goddamn boil on his humongous ass...........
Does anybody else remember how compassionate the conservatives were when Clinton gave into his desire for an illicit blowjob?
"He has not - I don’t know that he has denounced…some individual homosexual. He has said ‘this is an immoral lifestyle.’"
It's okay to criticize the lifestyle but not individual people? Don't individual people exhibit this lifestyle? How can you criticize a group but not the people in it? Sounds like doublespeak to me. They should just say they hate gays and be done with it. What's the point of being shy about it? People who think they're nuts can shun them. I mean, hell, at least be honest with yourself, you know? Just admit to being bigots and move on.
Novemberelection @ 33:
So a letter from the Senate Majority Leader criticizing Dimbulb for his comments is an embarrassment, but a resolution pissing and moaning about MoveOn.org is a great achievement?
Reality check - this is nothing more than an attempt to deflect/distract from the 'phony soldier' fiasco, which Rush could never dig himself out from under.
Novemberelection Says:
Rush is donating it to a marine charity that gives money to the kids of Marines killed in action so they can go to college.
What’s wrong with that?
Nothing except Rush is all for getting them killed in dubya's Iraqi meatgrinder.
Rusty Shackleford @ 47:
Pat Buchanan's own words :
My , my , my ; how things are completely "different" when it's a horseshit GOP politician , eh ?
Just another day in the life of a typical GOP apologist................
MCMetal @ 51:
but, but, but, but Craig isn't LYING! He just has a wide stance!
#18-Shuichi
Very well said. Ron Christie and Ed Schultz were on Hardball on Tuesday, I believe, and they both constantly interrupted and talked over each other, despite the admonitions of Matthews to both of them to allow the other person time to speak.
Also, Pat Buchanan is one of the biggest hypocrites among the political pundits. He claims that he is against the occupation but yet he continues to support Bush, who is responsible for sending those troops into that abattoir in Iraq. Buchanan has also seen fit to slam MoveOn even though MoveOn has been one of the biggest critics of the war/occupation. Apparently Buchanan seems to have difficulty determining where his loyalty actually is, with the troops or with Bush.
It sounds as if the lines, "Pat, I now think I’ve seen the face of compassionate conservatism, It is your face." was thought out in advance as a closer for this line of thought. It's laziness. It isn't an easy gig making brilliant comments every workday of the week. Buchannan has his good days too, but he's playing the part on this.
People, are we getting so hyper-sensitive to every person on the air and what they say as if they were legislating our futures? It's opinion and equivalent to reality television...the entertainment wing.
Remember that corporate looks to the news dept. as if it has to make money for the network..this is not the noble news depts of the fifities or sixties.
We've got to return the airwaves to the public for the public benefit.
I dunno, sounds like Tweety bitch slapped Mullah Buchanan with that last line.
Funny, I don't remember the Democrats screaming about moral superiority. I would suggest Buchanan remember the "moral values" republicans have run on.
I'm not a fan of Matthews, but in this case he was not being kind to Buchanan. Buchanan as praising the Senate Repubs for cutting Craig loose and Matthews comment, a somewhat sarcastic observation about Buchanan's being face of compassionate conservatism.
I do wish Pat would buy his horts a couple of sizes bigger. The further into the abyss his party sinks the more he becomes a true soprano.
Mathews was using "code" to let Pat know he wanted to suck his balls.
Novemberelection @ 15:
The letter was sent to Mark P Mays, CEO of Clear Channel
You can download a copy at rushlimbaugh.com (pdf)
Yellow dog @ 58 mentions Buchanan's high-pitched voice. This reminds me of the Senate judiciary hearings, when a group I would collectively call 'The Sopranos', including Gonzo, Monica G, and several others were very noticeable for their stratospheric timbre. Not shrill like Malkin, but just very high-pitched. Is this a Republican thing? Is it the koolaid? Or is it simply a stress related vocal effect when the speaker is lying?
And what a fugly face it is!
I'm getting sick of this tabloid media's obsession with Larry Craig. Enough already. Some real issues please. S-CHIP, ending the war, wire tapping etc, etc. Idaho voters can worry about him.
mdhatter @ 6:
That's how I read it, too. What's so confusing about sarcasm?
Pat Buchanan is the best apologist the republicans have to offer. He can and will rationalize any and all misdeeds by republicans complete with one-handed and two-handed judo chops. I wish someone would make him sit on his hands, or manacle them behind his back.
mdhatter @ 6:
Rachel played it perfectly, laughing politely at the comment as Matthews spoke it with a smile on his face. If it wasn't meant as a backhand, it sure comes off that way thanks to Rachel.
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Thank you Pat, for revealing what hypocrisy is...
... A character flaw!
Sen. Craig: "I am not gay. I have never been gay." ...
... I just plead guilty to soliciting sex from OTHER men in a MEN's public restroom.
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pat takes the tack that Craig knows he is gay inside but knows that this is wrong, and so we must show compassion for him for that struggle with his inner demon. What is wrong with that thinking is that it means our true loving humanity is to be overridden by an idea of how we "should" behave. We end up acting in our lives and not being real or true to who we are. This leads to a lack of empathy and judgment of others. Such teaching is not human, not true, and not what Jesus would do, rather it comes from ego and head and control. Any religious teaching that promotes devaluing another comes from unenlightened men and is the absence of God. The Church has lots of changes it needs to do.
Novemberelection @ 25:
What's up with this site? Only the conservative is off-topic? How about flagging the person who mentioned the ebay item out of thin air in the first place?
Site Monitor: No, genius, the guy who brought up the eBay item IS the conservative. We're trying to keep him from hijacking the thread. Thanks for your cooperation.
On topic, it's always best to go with "they're just stupid" when analyzing the media, so I think Matthews was simply too dumb to notice that Pat wouldn't be so "compassionate" if Craig was a Democrat.
That's right, Pattie Boy, Larry Craig just can't help himself. He can't help that he's a closet homosexual. He also can't help that he's built his political career on berating and oppressing his homosexuals like himself. He can't resist his dark desires, and he can't resist being a hypocrite, therefore, he's totally blameless. Oh, and he's a Republican, which makes it all okay.
Luckily, he's not one of those demonic Democrats. If he was a Democrat, he should be burned at the stake.
steeve @ 65:
By the way, the one who's post got edited was the same one who brought the topic out of thin air see Novemberelection @ 15. Just so you know.
Eh... I expect Tweety to say something weird like that. On one hand, he keeps getting fed talking points by the WH, and on the other hand, he likes to hang out with Olberman. That's the most likely explanation as to why he's been schizo for most of the past year.
Tweety is and will always be another ignorant Reslug. with his head in the sand.
Can anyone recall if Buchanan was as passionately defensive of Pres. Clinton's marital infidelity with Lewinsky (or any other of Clinton's girlfriends) as he is now of Sen. Craig's wide-stance bathroom incident? It would be interesting to view some side-by-side videos of Buchanan responding publicly to both of these individuals' sex scandal difficulties.
tucker @ 64:
Pat's comments that Larry can't help it utterly contradict the GOoPer-right wing talking point that being gay is a "choice"! They'll go thru any contortions to protect their own.
Pat's column a week or so after Larry's outing was wonderful, stating that since Larry hates himself for being an MSM (man who has sex w/men) as much as he hates other gays, it's not hypocrisy. The wonderful "logic" of the conservative/fascist mind!
Pat Buchanan's argument is clearly flawed.
Either way you look at it, Craig is not fit for the job.
Lauer "Does anyone walk on the other side of the hallway?"
Craig: "NO", "Well there are some..."
Is that the way he is going to vote?
I don't think he is gay, that would be an insult to gay people.
I think that he is perverted and has no morals.
Linda @ 70:
Linda:
See comment 48 by MCMetal
It was obvious to me that Tweety was being facetious, and was referring to Pat's puzzling compassion toward Larry Craig. Does C&L have no sense of irony?
I loves me some Rachel Maddow, I know several lesbians who do too! I like how remarkably level she is even samck in the middle of tempest of bullshit. I don't have such self control.
bilhelm-X @ 75:
She probably types better too.
That comment was a dig at both Buchanan and conservatives; neither one is compassionate.
I think Buchanan won that one.
I think he's right. Ever see a face more twisted up with hate and disapproval of others' lives (NOT LIFESTYLE, A-hole) as though God itself has passed judgment duties off to him?
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The true face of this 'compassionate' conservatism
Ya gotta love Buchanan. He makes no pretense to be anything more than the knuckle-dragging niwit he is.
When I caught this last night, I almost lost my lunch as well as my dinner.
Leaving aside his failure to get or grasp the distinction between being or not being gay in this case and a hypocritical, sanctimonious sack o' gop-slop/nra trash soliciting sex in an Airport Men's Room just as the distinction between being gay and being a pedophile priest in every other case, when he claimed "he saw no evidence that Craig is a hypocrite", I couldn't help but be reminded of the fact that he continues to see no evidence that Hitler was an Anti-Semite.
Props to Rachel Maddow for managing to keep a straight face while Pat hung himself with his own rope and made her case for her. Such admirable self-restraint is a rare commodity these days.
Apparently the Republican Standard is to appoint an [insider] known 'male page hound' to a chairmanship of a committee concerning kids' safety, Pat. I mean, who would know better, right? Can you say 'Mark Foley' and 'House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children,' Pat?
Uh, Gerry Studds didn't break the law, so that's a false analogy, Pat.
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As someone else somewhere else has noted, putting the ass in compassionate.
there's no straw man Patty won't use in the wingnut welfare segments MSNBC gives him
I think Pat Buchanan made some good points. I don't think Larry Craig should be forced out of the Senate. I do think he's a hypocrite, but what Republican isn't? It shows the base the kinds of people they elect to office. (And makes for some great comedy stuff.)
I almost feel sorry for Larry Craig, but that gets overridden by the huge-friggin-asshole factor-- every time.
I think tweety is calling buchanan an uber-partisan f*ckwad, who supports the repukes no matter what. Whenever things hit a little too close to the repuke home, buchanan is always too ready with irrelevant attacks against demoquacks - in an attempt to lessen the attention on the repukes.
This pattern in the "compassionate conservative" repukes is all too common.
[Bonkers' head explodes]
Pat...uhhh, what? Split hairs much?
Jeez, man, the worst thing is that Pat is clearly intelligent at some level and yet here he is, running around in tight little spiral and making very little sense. But I'll give Buchanan this much: he and Rachael actually have real conversations and THAT is refreshing (even if he does have to take spastically lame off-the-subject digs at people like Sen. Kennedy. And please, Rachael did it too, but to coin a phrase: he did it first).
bilhelm-X @ 76:
Ha! The topic of this story really bothers me because it is all about hypocrisy. But your comment nearly caused me to spray my monitor with a mouthful of coffee bilhelm-X! First laugh of the day (Japan). Thanks!
Sorry Pat, but if it's a natural part of his being and he can't resist it then it can't be immoral. If it's something he turned to because he wasn't getting enough at home then that could be considered immoral, but that's debatable as well. the real problem is this country thinks sex is important, it isn't, it has nothing to do with love and as far as procreation we could all take off 20 years of procreation and we wouldn't slip very far into the abyss of extinction.
BUCHANAN - First statement - strawman!!!!
Go away!!!
Sh|t he's farking crazy......
Craig is basically the poster-boy for the republicans and their real face: Hypocrites
They claim to be fighting for freedom, yet support(ed) the worst dictators in the world.
They claim to be peace loving people yet each term under republicans sees at least one war fought for BS reasons.
They claim to be honest yet are the most corrupt people out there.
They claim to be honourable but you can bet they will turn on you if it will fit them.
I think the left is too tough on Matthews overall. Some of the criticizisms are well deserved, others are not. Chris was clearly having fun at Buchanan's expense with the "compassionate conservative" comment. I think it's clear Chris was kinda amused & miffed by Pat's ramblings....
Typical, liberals use gays to pull votes. Unprincipled tools.
Buchanan is a homophobic man, but at least he stands up for people when they're under fire. For all Buchanan's flaws, there's some humanity in his personna, I deeply admire him for that.
Being a failed Human Being is not the issue. Being a failure at your chosen task is the issue. Let's stop using the word "hypocrisy", let's just concentrate on competency. The man is incompetent in his chosen position.
The first time a guy calls you a horse, punch him in the nose. The second time a guy calls you a horse, call him a jerk. The third time a guy calls you a horse, well, maybe it's time to start shopping for a saddle.
the rabbi
from "Lucky Number Slevin"
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