Right Wing goes bonkers over Rep. Pete Stark's comments: Take the C&L Poll
By John Amato Thursday Oct 18, 2007 3:35pm
"I'm just amazed that the Republicans are worried that we can't pay for insuring an additional 10 million children. They sure don't care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal War in Iraq.
""President Bush's statements about children's health shouldn't be taken any more seriously than his lies about the War in Iraq. The truth is that that Bush just likes to blow things up – in Iraq, in the United States, and in Congress.
After Rep. Pete Stark made his harsh statements against the Republicans and Bush over the SCHIP veto, the right wingers are trying to change the subject again by feigning outrage against him. Stark also didn't fall for the MoveOn ad outrage also. Good for him. CNN ran a small clip of him all morning. Here's CNN's poll. 88% say he shouldn't apologize. What say you?
via emailer:
"The wingnutosphere, Drudge, John Boehner, Roy Blunt, Jeb Hensarling, the RNC, and the NRCC, on the other hand, have issued statements criticizing Congressman Stark. Republicans believe that creating a controversy around these marks will help deflect attention from their opposition to health care for children."
In response to Republican attacks, Congressman Stark recently issued this follow-up statement:
"I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best," said Stark. "But I respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who keeps them in harms way nor the chickenhawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care."
I was having problems with the coding from the new Poll software and C&L's webmaster Jamie deleted this text because of the code problems. Here's the full text.
"I'm just amazed that the Republicans are worried that we can't pay for insuring an additional 10 million children. They sure don't care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal War in Iraq.
"Where are you going to get that money? You're going to tell us lies like you're telling us today? Is that how you're going to fund the war? You don't have money to fund the war or children.
"But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President's amusement.
"This bill would provide health care for 10 million children and unlike the President's own kids, these children can't see a doctor or receive necessary care.
"Six million are insured through the Children's Health Insurance Program and they'll do better in school and in life.
"In California, the President's veto will cause the legislature to draw up emergency regulations to cut some 800,000 children off the rolls in California and create a waiting list. I hope my California Republican colleagues will understand that if they don't vote to override this veto, they are destroying health care for many of our children in California.
"In his previous job as an actor, our Governor used to play make believe and blow things up. Well, the President and Republicans in Congress are playing make believe today with children's lives.
"They claim we can't afford health care and say the bill will socialize Medicine. Tell that to Orrin Hatch, Chuck Grassley, and Ted Stevens, those socialists on the other side of this Capitol! The truth is that the Children's Health Insurance Program enables states to cover children primarily through private health care plans.
"President Bush's statements about children's health shouldn't be taken any more seriously than his lies about the War in Iraq. The truth is that that Bush just likes to blow things up – in Iraq, in the United States, and in Congress.
"I urge my colleagues to vote to override his veto. America's children need and deserve health care despite the President's desire to deny it to them."
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Rush = good
Hannity = good
Graeme Frost = Bad
Moveon = Bad
An I getting it yet?
No Pete Stark should not appologize to the president, what should happen is the rest of congress and the senate should back him up and say "Pete you are 100% correct and the Bush Crime Family needs to be stopped"
About time I hear someone speak passionately and from the heart about the Truth. ABOUT TIME.
I'm sick of the mealy mouthed "I'm troubled" or "I find it troubling" shit. Start Speaking.
it was great, right along with dodd holding up the new fisa bill.
The Bush Crime Family needs to be tried, convicted, and impeached from Office. The whole lot of them.
I don't think so. It might now have been the best way to put it but on the other hand can you really deny we all feel the same way? What has the average person gained from the war besides some dead children and more arabs wanting to kill them than ever before.
I have a crying towel if they don't like it.
When are we going to start calling republicans a bunch of soft skinned cry babies?
That's what they are whnn they do this and no one calls them cry baby, crocodile tears.
This plus the Chris Dodd hold are little nuggets to cling to. Shreds of hope, anyways. Something we can all use these days.
Stark for (interim) president!
Impeach Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi.
The truth stings like a motherfucker, don't it?
Orangutan. @ 3:
Fucking-A, well told! Here in Canada, our politicians preface everything with "I think..." and it positively makes my dick itch.
Contract Rep Stark and tell him not to back down to the spin and hate from the reich-wing!
http://www.house.gov/stark/contact/index.htm
Do you think Pete Stark should apologize?
Fri Oct 19, 2007 at 12:38:08 PM EDT
Did Pete Stark speak for you, or was he over the top? Were his comments were totally outrageous or did you agree wit him but feel the "amused" comment took away from his very true points?
Should he apologize for his words?
Most people calling his office think so.
Did Pete Stark speak for you, or was he over the top? Were his comments were totally outrageous or did you agree wit him but feel the "amused" comment took away from his very true points?
Should he apologize for his words?
Most people calling his office think so.
Listening to progressive talk radio this morning you got the feeling that while some people think that his final words were unfortuate, he should NOT apologize. They reason that the Republicans never apologize for what they say.
What do you think?
Should he apologize or should he only apologize, as Stephanie Miller put it, "when Bush apologizes for the Iraqi war."
If you don't feel he should apologize you better email or call him, and let him know, because reports are that a majority of callers feel he should.
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He should make and appointment to meet with Mr. Decider in the Oval Office and once there offer the Loon-in-Chief his hand....
As Junior approaches Stark should wind up and kick the The Colossus of the CodPiece right in the nuts just as hard as he can.
Then while 'Dubya' is writhing on the floor in agony Pete should tell him, 'That hurt does it? Well haul ass over to da emergency room ya vile sack of pus jes like all those kids haveta when they get hurt....'
Apologize? Stark should repeat his little speech once per hour, after he cleans up the syntax.
There's a new Presidential Poll at DFA, also, that allows voters to pick their top three candidates. (Email required.)
Just what do the Right Wingnuts think Stark should apologize for?
The first two sentences you quote here reflect a truth about the Repubs that Repubs just won't admit.
The next two sentences are an honest appraisal of a president known for his dishonest and exaggeration.
Republican legislators who voted against S-CHIP owe an apology to all the kids they think should be denied health care.
A.Citizen @ 12:
That was beautiful. I'll play that little tape in my mind for quite awhile.
Clytemnestra @ 11:
Did so...thanks for the heads up.
The rest of ya....Do It!
I watched this on CSPAN yesterday and was appalled at the fuss the Repubs were making. They even requested that Stark's words be "taken down." That attempt failed, but they have succeeded in getting the media to hype this non-story.
Just like the MoveOn affair, they are more interested in talking about ads or extemporaneous comments than they are in resolving issues like SCHIP or WAR!
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When someone says something like that it is coming from their gut and from frustration. I'm surprised more aren't doing the same thing. They should be. Could he have said it more politely? Of course but he wasn't feeling polite at the time.
I'm so sick of this, you've hurt our feelings with your words, just because someone else states how they feel. Forget the damned hurt feelings and all that shit. Forget apologies and offending people's soft sensibilities. It's time to talk about what's going on and it's time not to worry if the words aren't tearoom acceptable.
Hell if I had a dollar for every time this administration has said or done something that upset me, I could afford to get Chris Dodd elected.
The only thing offensive about what he said is that it's true.
Sure.
AFTER Bush does for the WMD joke.
Hell no he shouldn't apologize. It's about time someone called it like it is and showed some backbone
pissed off patricia @ 19:
Perfectly put, p.o.p.
I think it would've been better if he told the truth about why we're sending troops over there instead of throwing out a statement like "for the president's amusement". Personally, I think Cheney is more amused than Bush. Either way, it doesn't hit on the real reason we're over there.
Pete Stark for President!
ALL the rightwingnuts should learn something from this - S T F U !
its about time someone speaks truth to power
As the troops, whom the Republicans support in word only, die in Iraq - as their own children stay behind in the states thinking, "where's daddy (or mommy?)" - the question has to be asked: are the troops children covered?
...and if their parent is lost, what kind of medical benefits do they receive?
Or are they like the forgotten vets at Walter Reed, where this administration says, "so you suffered a tragic loss, fuck you - we're making OUR profits."
Kompassionate Konservatism Kills.
Truth be told, I agree with the spirit behind what it is he said. However, that being said: sorry, I know full well Bush is the worst president the US has every seen, or experienced. But honestly, do I think "Bush likes to blow things up for his own amusement"? Sorry, no, I dont. And that is a very dumb comment, and does serve to undermine the Democratic cause. I think Bush likes to blow thing up for plenty of other reasons- money, chief among them. Stark, and others like him, would do well and be wise to simply stick to the facts: the facts alone are so overhwhelming as to bury Bush on his diastrous presidency. Why let petty nonsense like "he likes to bomb things for his own amusement" enter the argument? It just sounds like petty hatred- and more importantly-it sounds irrational. Again, the facts speak for themselves. Just illuminate them.
Apologize? No. It should be turned into a 60 second commercial and played every 30 minutes on every network.
Max Power, thanks 8-)
I say good for him! I sent him a supportive e-mail thanking him for his courage in standing up to the thugs on the right! We need more people like him!
Is Rahm Emanuel going to vote for the republican resolution condemning him as well?
Why should he apologize?
O.k, he rambled a little, but in the end, he called a spade a spade !
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Give them hell.
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Oh, I see.
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So the Little Girly-men Faux-offended are still having conniptions? Still daintily patting their cheeks to wipe away the alligator tears?
Don't worry, little trolls. When you grow up you will learn to handle criticism of the object of your fanboy-dom.
Everytime a Democrat finds their balls, a Republican screams. We're FINALLY hearing some screaming.
Steve @ 28:
Did it occur to you that that was a pun or play on words? Shrub "blows things up" - i.e., exaggerates - "... in the United States, and in Congress."
He does, doesn't he?
Steve @ 28:
Or maybe Stark is in a position to know some things about bush's personality disorder that you don't.
Well well... I never thought I'd say it... THERE is a Republican I like.... at least in this case....
Bless Randi Rhodes for passionately defending Stark. No apologies!! And that includes you, Dem leadership!!
Apologize to the president!?! What the hell for? So ole' Joe-Bob Barton can dish it but he can't take it? F*ck 'em.
I was putting on my shoes and flipping thru the news channels before leaving for work, and CNN & MSNBC had coverage of the tornado damage running, but Fox News is trying to stir up bullsht that doesn't matter. Geez, are we concerned about American lives? Apparently not.
And while we're at it. We need to start pointing out that while there are kids in this country in families who are among the working poor and just a notch above, our representatives, senators, president, VP, etc., get great and FREE health care - although I do think Congress pays a premium. Still the Cheneys, the Bushs, many, many in this administration have been eating from the public trough for year upon year while denying basic justice to American citizens.
Okay - I'm starting to reallllly ramble......
Hell no!
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just heard on randi - caller told randi that she had called
Rep. Stark’s office to thank him for his words of truth…
his office appreciated that, but asked that people also
call the dem leadership to tell them the same thing -
seems stark is getting some flak from nancy & co…
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My understanding from the Randi Rhodes show is that Dem leadership is giving Stark a hard time, perhaps pressuring him to apologize.
Tell them HELL NO!
Preach, Brother Stark, preach!
Re. 28-- Steve, I wish the facts did speak for themselves. But it seems to me they're mute, and that exaggeration and demonization of the opposition has served the right wing all too well. Maybe it's best to stay out of the mud and speak soberly instead of passionately, but there's a place in the rhetorical armamentarium for passion, for hyperbole and even for a blunt-force attack on the cynical, dishonest manipulative crap that Mr. Bush and his wingnut supporters have been spreading around for years. For one thing, it gets us all a bit stirred-up, which is a good thing.
mother fucker...they raided and shut down tv-links
mother fucker....and i was right in the middle of watching the 3rd season of the sopranos
katy @ 42:
Give the names along with these numbers.....the capitol switchboard operator answers!!!!
Goddamnit.
We can leave voice mails.
The truth hurts the rightwing again.
Pete Stark is now my dude.
Isn't this the only non-theist Member of Congress?
Do as the Republicans do -- not as they tell you to do.
Just have a spokesperson say: “He was not making any declaration. He was making a point.”
If it works for White House flacks, it should work for anyone.
Dr. Matt @ 10:
Done. Thanks Dr. Matt.
I have to admit, when I saw the clip on tv, I raised my fist up and shouted "hell yea".
It was very dorky. Good think my wife wasn't around.
It's about time the Democrats started pummelling the Republicans and this is the best opportunity to do it. Bush's stance is absolutely indefensible. Beat their position down their throats.
Video of Pete Stark
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2818553573427820302&q=Pete+Star...
Pete Stark: "Bush just likes to blow things up"
by BarbinMD
Thu Oct 18, 2007 at 09:10:47 AM PDT
From the House debate on the override vote on Bush's veto of SCHIP, Rep. Pete Stark kicks Bush's ass:
First of all, I'm just amazed they can't figure out, the Republicans are worried we can't pay for insuring an additional 10 million children. They sure don't care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where ya gonna get that money? You going to tell us lies like you're telling us today? Is that how you're going to fund the war? You don't have money to fund the war or children. But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President's amusement. This bill would provide healthcare for 10 million children and unlike the President's own kids, these children can't see a doctor or receive necessary care. [...]
But President Bush's statements about children's health shouldn't be taken any more seriously than his lies about the war in Iraq. The truth is that Bush just likes to blow things up. In Iraq, in the United States and in Congress.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/18/12258/878
This is the example we expect ALL our elected officials to uphold, keep up the good work Pete and don’t let the DLC get you to apologize, war is an ugly thing, and those who favor it must face the realities of that ugliness.
CNN Quickpoll
Congressman Pete Stark accused Republicans of sending troops to Iraq to "get their heads blown off for the president's amusement." Should he apologize?
Yes 11% 679
No 89% 5355
Total Votes: 6034
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/american.morning/
The 11 percent’ers are fuming, LOL!!! Bush’s base exposes it’s true face, pure hatred of human life beyond the womb.
War is ugly, and horrific, if the bushies cannot accept the realities of war, perhaps they should have taken more consideration before authorizing bush and cheney’s illegal falsely reason PNAC driven invasion and occupation of the middle east constituting WAR CRIMES and TREASON!
DailyKos Discussion board praising Pete’s frank honesty on the floor of the House today. We will bring our troops home, and fund our children’s health care, but not until bush’s stranglehold on the government has be wrestled away from him and dick cheney by impeachment and removal for high crimes and misdemeanors and war crimes.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/18/16551/414
freepers can go cry to their 'dear leader' traitorous war criminal gee dumbya bush, maybe he can get to call Diebold to rig the results?
Here we go again. Stark needs to state that the comments were "taken out of context" like ol' OxyRush Limpdick's were.
Better, the republicons can send him a letter of comdemnation, which he could auction on eBay and give the money to the children of dead phony soldiers.
As for the statement that bush "likes to blow things up". I seem to recall reading a story a while back about how little georgie used to use fireworks to torture small animals when he was a kid - a personality quirk shared by many serial killers. Or am I mistaken. I'm getting to the age where memory is starting to play tricks on me.
Everything comes down to "the troops". Don't they get any sense of shame from sending these kids to get their nuts and faces blown off, then using them as a political prop for every goddamn issue. I can even understand saying that he doens't understand how necessary the war is - blah,blah,blah. Not that I agree, but at least that's the other side of it. But constantly invoking the troops...it's just so fucking low.
It's like Cartmen with Tourrette's - a magical get of jail free card for everything.
What the hell is the "RING WING"
klaus @ 57:
Not sure, but I'm sure it's some kind of evil fellowship. /snark
Isn't it just like these criminals to change the subject from denying our kids, badly needed health care to the Honorable Congressman Pete Stark, speaking out as he spoke the truth as in the eyes of millions of Americans without a voice, about the wheeling and dealings of this corporatized administration and the republican lap dogs that support him.
And is it not fitting the big bad media will follow in lock step, to assure that all is OK
I believe Bush once said, vis a vis our troops in Iraq, that we were "kicking ass." Before that there was his "bring 'em on" when he invited so-called terrorists to attack our troops--a schoolyard taunt from a pathological bully if ever there was one. "Attack our troops" is what he said, and not one Republican in Congress or in the media suggested reproaching President Neuticals for his remarks.
So, yes, the idea that Bush is destroying things for his "amusement" is in fact on the mark. "Bring 'em on" and "we're kicking ass" and some members of congress are offended by Stark's words?
I hope that any member of congress who supports the War On Scary in Iraq, who is in favor of sending our soldiers off to kill and/or be killed--and I mean this with all sincerity--I hope such members take this opportunity to vanish in their own illogic. Poof. Gone. Yay.
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The only House of Representatives Rule I could find on this:
Clearly his comments were an attack on the personality of the president -- however correct one might think them to be.
Doesn't the house have the ability to strike comments from the record when they are offensive? Why was this not done? Possibly his comments didn't rise to the level most congressmen believe is offensive?
More like him please.
Keith Gabryelski @ 60:
Just a second here.
I was watching this yesterday. Now pay attention.
Tho CNN's poll question is totally idiotic(quoting only one small sentence out of the total
speech given by Pete Stark, the results are still substantially that he NOT apologize.
CNN apparently felt that by taking only one statment (out of context) that pollers would
vote that Stark should apologize. That's the MSM for you...playing games and not giving
a full and fair explantion as to Stark's well presented speech. MSM = MISinformation.
Actually, I don't think the Representative was referring to personality here. He was merely stating fact as he sees it.
I happen to agree. The President and his supporters have the wrong priorities. They are endangering us all, spending billions to do it, and have shown blatant disregard for all life -- except that which is unborn.
Dems say something the Cons don't like and they freak out like a bunch of little school girls. But when the Cons do something the whole world hates and too bad for you!!
When Stark started speaking a third time about the ReThugs and their war, Joe Barton (R-TX) jumped up to protest. He wanted Stark's remarks stricken.
At that point, the House action stopped.
The clerk had to transcribe the words that Stark had spoken so that the Speaker could review and JUDGE whether the words were to be stricken and Stark not allowed to speak for the remainder of the day.
StCyrlyMe, that's exactly what it is. Have you heard one word today about schip? Have you heard about a zillion times about what Stark said. This is just like the MoveOn ad. When Petraeus made his report and it wasn't all that glowing, the spotlight was focused on the MoveOn ad instead.
They try to cover their own disgrace by pretending to be offended by something else.
in answer to number 55, yes, little georgie put firecrackers in frogs and blew them up for amusement.
Continued......
Stark's word were transcribed, they were read and reviewed by those necessary to judge and the chair then read the decision.
The gentleman's word were to stand. They were not a personal attack.
It was on CSPAN-1 yesterday just before the vote, the SCHIP vote.
It's been handled by the House already.
poppie @ 68:
So, what Stark said wasn't that far from the truth then was it?
The point is fucking MOOT. Faux News is just stirring a pot to stir.
It's time to start kicking back. Fuck this shit.
The wingnuts are desperately trying to distract from their shameful actions and abysmal job performance. They are ruining this country. We need leaders like Pete Stark who are not afraid to say it. Thank you Pete Stark.
Lulz! Apologize?! No, no, no, no, and no.
In fact, he should get in the face of every one of these repiglicans/dinos and give them good bitch slaps across their ugly fucking mugs for being such complete assholes. I would give an arm and half of my right leg to see that.
Apologize, lulz.
It felt GOOD to hear this!! No apology! The Democrats should make him their prime spokesperson on this matter. Let the repugs squeal.
We need an apology from the Bush administration and his enablers for:
1. Suspending habeas corpus when their is no rebellion or invasion...a direct violation of the Constitution.
2. Accepting the illegal delegation of war-making powers from Congress by the AUMF.
3. Establishing torture and secret prisons as government policy. (Certainly highly immoral, and probably illegal.)
4. Unreasonable searches and seizures, plainly in violation of the Constitution.
That for starters. I could go on...
Ahhh. The truth is so refreshing to be heard!
First time in a long time that I can breathe!
go Stark and go Dodd! If the leadership won't stand up, it's time to get new leadership.
Scott in Chicago @ 70:
That's what I'm sayin'.
When limball, culter, malkin and the rest of the haters apologize on the Congressional floor, that's when the congressman can apologize (or rather repeat what he said. hehe)
Otherwise, those republiCONs can talk to the hand.
The congressman should just IGNORE them and keep putting the spotlight on the illegal war and how the republicons don't care about children.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 77:
Agreed! Bush is a psychopath and Stark is dead on with his assessment!
It is about time someone had the guts to stand up to the Republican scumbags. Three cheers for him! Get him to replace the gutless Pelosi. Finally someone with the leadership skills and lack of fear to tell it like it is.
Just as his name states...SHARK, his TEETH are sharper and dig deeper to say what most of us WISH the rest of this TEETH-LESS bunch would say!
I can only hope that more start to STEP up to the plate to start saying what is wrong with their peers! Since, the "other" side thinks this demands an apology...Start by asking where's the "American People's" apology for all the deceptions and cover-ups you have spoken about?
Title error
"Ring Wing goes bonkers over Rep. Pete Stark’s comments: Take the C&L Poll"
should be
"Right Wing goes bonkers over Rep. Pete Stark’s comments: Take the C&L Poll"
thanks for the correction.
Clytemnestra @ 11:
Fu@k no
He is one of the few who is echoing the sentiments of the country..as far as Ms Pelosi...screw her she is worse enabler than Neville Chamberlin
FreedomOfInformationAct @ 82:
I like "Ring Wing".
'Course, I like "Loony Party" better.
Where were these defenders of decorum and decency when Rep. Dan Burton, R. Ind., called President Clinton a "scumbag" on the House floor? Or when Dick Armey made his infamous "Barney Fag".. er...mistake?
89% in spite of the framing of the poll question. I think the people have spoken, have they not?
I agree with this. But I also don't think he should, or will, apologize.
People will scoff, and drop their jaws, and just be astounded that he had the audacity to do this as long as it's news. But they'll also have to deal with the truth in his words, and no matter how anyone thinks the delivery went, those words being broadcast multiple times across the country isn't anything but FREAKIN AWESOME.
Steve @ 28:
We are given a choice of Yes or No. Why wasn't one of the choices "Hell, NO!!"
And if Pelosi and the rest of the neoRepuglicans force him to apologize, it should go something like this.
"I have been urged by the Democrat leadership to apologize for my remarks about the sorry excuse for a president who is currently in the White House. I'm not sure what I should apologize for, but here goes. I am sorry if George's feelings were hurt, but what can I say? Truth sometimes hurts. I am sorry if he feels insulted, but heck, he's a big boy and should be able to take it as well as dish it out. I am sorry if references to his private war for oil affects his stock portfolio, but given the price of oil nowadays, he should be making out like a bandit."
OH .. Cry me a river!! I'm overjoyed that someone .. ANYONE!! has finally expressed just a fraction of the outrage that I feel daily over this arrogant, pompous and incompetent decider in chief and his phony war.
Congressman Stark is my new hero and I hereby submit his courageous act for consideration for the prestigious Balls of Steel Award!!
I love you, Congressman Stark and don't you dare apologize. Everytime someone like Sean Hannity demands that you do .. tell him to go Cheney his self.
I haven't heard Bush deny that he enjoys it when our soldiers' heads are blown off in his little adventure.
Before Stark were to apologize, Bush must come out in public and deny that he enjoys all the thousands and thousands of gruesome deaths that he is responsible for.
roxnev @ 83:
I just called and got his voice mailbox. It was full. :( I hope not with numb-nut comments from wingers.
Two thumbs up for Stark - gave his office a call to thank him. Nice to know ONE of the people in Congress who supposedly represent me is standing up. Feinstein now... Any of you other Californians know if we can get a recall going to pull her back and put someone who cares about this country to take her place?
the word 'Amusement' is appropriate, bush relishes in anything that allows his war profitting cronies to pilfer the U.S. treasury to allow him and his traitorous war criminial party to steal more elections and destroy the American citizens rights set down in the U.S. constitution and Bill of Rights.
the time for Impeachment is nigh.
Rusty Shackleford @ 91:
Bush CHOSE to get these people maimed and killed. And he hasn't apologized. The important thing is that the criminal Bush be brought to justice and that the Constitution and the unalienable rights of WE THE PEOPLE be fully restored. All the rest is diversionary crap.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 37:
that's irrelevent: If he knows something that no one else does, who cares? No one else will ever know either. It's beside the point: he sounds completely irrational, when, in fact, the deconstruction of the Bush administration can be done in a completely rational, fact based manner that simply cannot be disputed. If, that is, someone takes the time to do so. Which he didnt.
John Barringer @ 86:
I always found it ironic that someone named Dick Armey would be against gays in the military. Should I have said that? Sounds a bit rude.
Wordsmith@ work @ 47:
Just ask the operator to forward you to the appropriate representative's office. It works.
Bryson Brown @ 45:
The facts are NOT mute: they can never be mute. Democrats, however, simply refuse to use Bush's own actions against him, to hold them up to the light for all to see. That is, and forever shall be, the problem with DEmocrats.
The truth hurts. Maybe we could get Pete Stark to apologize for his remarks when Bush apologizes for lying Americans into an illegal and unnecessary war, including an apology to the families of every servicemember killed so far in his Iraq escapade, an apology to all the innocent Irqis killed as collateral damage in his Iraq escapade, and an apology to the servicemembers wounded (inc those not approved for VA aid) so far in his Iraq escapade.
Steve @ 96:
Under normal circumstances, I might agree with you. But these are far from normal circumstances. So most of us are just really happy to see somebody with backbone.
How DARE he speak the truth ! !
Off with his head !
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Bring 'em on
Our troops are kicking ass
If those aren't the words of someone who gets off on proxy war porn...
So, yeah, "amusement" seems like a fair way to describe how the worst president in the history of the United States gets his rocks off to war porn.
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katy @ 42:
Nancy and the rest of the Dem "leadership" are as worthless as shit.
I look forward to voting in REAL progressives to the house in 2008.
This current batch of spineless sycophantic milquetoast brown-nosed boot-licking enablers is worthless.
When one of their own does expose the truth - they want him hushed?
We were fooled in 2006 by these clowns to vote for them because they breathe lies!
Let's work hard to rid the DINOs out of DC in '08!
Go Pete!
Any congressman who is not upset enough by the policies that are currently being upheld by this administration to make a comment like Stark's simply isn't paying enough attention.
bluegal @ 14:
The poll says Chris Dodd is currently in 9th place out of 8 candidates?
The reaction of Chris Matthews to Stephanie Miller "joking" that Chris was a right-wing tool was priceless. It's all about him.
Stephanie was very good by the way in talking about Stark and Bush.
Slinky the Wonder Ferret @ 97:
I hate to repeat what's been said on other threads, but republicans like Dick Armey are all closetted, self-loathing homosexuals. Shouldn't be news to anyone.
Just voted. The poll is now at 90%! I'm sure some would claim that the poll is being freeped ala liberals. Problem with that is that we are RIGHT. Amusement? Perhaps not the best choice of words politically and soundbite-wise (but I couldn't give a shit about either of those paradigms; speak truth to power!), but morally, ethically, emotionally, it is definitely in the ballpark. Nice contact, Rep Stark; a sound triple if I ever saw one.
I'm not surprised our poll is 99% for not apologizing. I am, however, surprised that CNN's is now at 89%. (Someone said something about C&L being a liberal circle jerk place, but, oh well, so be it... tee hee-- never change.)
GEORGE W BUSH IS A COWARD.
If there is a heaven, the people that used their hearts and minds to fight for civil rights, human lives, health care and an end to wars will be the ones getting in.
Don't call Pete Stark. He knows how we feel. Call Pelosi, Hoyer and Emmanuel and tell them to get off Stark's back, we stand by him and we want more Democrats to show some spine like Stark did. He should NOT apologize.
Also, I don't recall Jean Schmidt apologizing for calling Congressman Murtha a coward on the House floor. Tell every last one of these cry baby repugs demanding an apology to go fuck themselves.
He did neglect to mention Cheney in this statement, "The truth is that that Bush just likes to blow things up – in Iraq, in the United States, and in Congress," but I can forgive that this time. (Don't let it happen again.) ;)
Well said, Stark!
I think you could point to Bush's little Oval Office/WMD video clip to support Stark's "amusement" claim, but it's weak. Come on, folks, don't support gas blowing like this. It's just too Coulteresque for my taste and doesn't accomplish anything. Let's stay at a higher level.
That said, Stark doesn't owe anyone any apology. He can dis Bush all he wants, but make sure he can back up what he says. Otherwise he's just undermining himself.
FWIW, I wrote my congressman, basically told him he should be more like Stark and asked him to pass along an atta boy to him.
You can only be cordial for so long and we're way past that. Comes a time when you gotta say "All right MF, let's do this!"
Steve @ 28:
Actually, Bush does like to blow things up for his own amusement.
I just sent Stark's offices a fax congratulating him and saying that while I'm not one of his constituents, he speaks for me.
Pine Nut, NC @ 101:
This more than misses the point. You want rational, civil discourse, predicated on bi-partisanship? Have I got that right? Stark is wrong in his facts and his framing because he gets emotional?
Amazing...Why don't you call Miss Nancy's office and tell her how much you deplore such rude, uncivil behavior. Me? She'll be soooooooooooooooo glad to hear from you...
Oh yeah, give Joey the Liarmann a call and tell him he's right too.
DD @ 118:
Agreed. Actions do speak louder than words, and I expect this behaviour for standing-up for what he believes in to continue in his future actions.
Hopefully it'll continue and be contagious.
bob @ 1:
Not until you get paid for it, Bob.
When neocons lie people die but when someone tells the truth they should apologize?
I get it.
America is bizarro world now.
“I have nothing but respect for our brave men and women in uniform and wish them the very best,” said Stark. “But I respect neither the Commander-in-Chief who keeps them in harms way nor the chickenhawks in Congress who vote to deny children health care.”
Censure him! WTF?
Give him the fricking Medal of Freedom!
After the CRAP these sick chickenhawk bullys leveled at MY president, Bill Clinton, they called him a Murder, A Rapist, a Cocaine Smuggler.....
Christ, If Stark slugged one of those chickenhawk Republic thugs for getting his face, I'd loan him the bail money to get out of jail, and buy him a drink in the nearest bar!
CIVILITY? Where the HELL did it get us when they called us Traitors and Murderers and Unpatriotic!
Scream FU in the God-damn faces, then when we win the WH and bigger majorities in Congress, NEVER LET UP!
Drive them into obscurity, for taking this country down, handing to the corporations, and killing THOUSANDS in a war to profit Dick Cheney and his evil Cronies.
God bless you Rep Stark. Don't you back down ONE NANOMETER!
Steve @ 56:
Who is constantly invoking the troops? You must mean the neoconservatives, do you not? Let us remember that it is the Republicans who constantly use that asinine phrase "support the troops" which, of course, is code for supporting the administration's policy in Iraq. Advocating that U.S. troops remain in that quagmire in Iraq is the worst and most dishonest way to supposedly support the troops, since having them remain in that hellhole accomplishes exactly what Stark said, which is that they end up being blown up for absolutely no justifiable reason whatsoever. The best way to support the troops is to get them out of that abattoir as quickly and as rapidly as possible.
If Bush would apologize for all his lies and failures (Katrina, Iraq, Gonzales, record deficit borrowing and spending, embarassment he has caused America around the world, Blackwater, illegal eavesdropping on American citizens, etc. etc. stc.), then maybe an apology from Stark might be appropriate. Until that happens, or Hell freezes over, forget about it.
"Shock and Awe" was blowing things up for Bush's amusement, and for the amusement of all who wanted revenge for the 9/11 massacres. An eye for an eye, a video for a video.
Amusement n: An activity that is diverting and that holds the attention.
Stark is absolutely 100% correct in labeling this war as Bush's "amusement". Iraq was a pointless diversion, and yet it holds their attention to the detriment of all other matters (domestic issues, Afghanistan, etc).
No 'harsh' statement from Reid/Pelosi? They're slippin.....
Well, I just called my congressman Jay Inslee's office and told them, if he ever wants another dime from me, he'd better stand up for Starks if Pelosi or Hoyer asks him to apoligize.
I think the staffers got the idea I was a little worked up about it!
Reacting in any way shape or form to anything the republican noise machine does is itself the entire goal of the republican noise machine. Who cares what they say? Far too many people respond, relate, react, argue, debate, discuss... their endless bullshit, and very very few pay any attention to what they actually do. We need to shift the 'debate' in this country away from words, and onto deeds, actions, and consequences. The same holds true for what all the left wing pontificators have to say -- it is irrelevent. Watch the votes, watch the choices, then respond with deeds of your own.
And not just the Repugs, but in fact the entire media system is predicated on one and only one thing -- people reacting to what other people say (and ignoring what they do)
Tune in , Turn on, and drop out.
the wrong wingers love to feel butch from other people's relatives being deployed for 15 months straight
What a day gang.....A Dem with balls and two moons in the sky.
As a Canadian, man, I've been waiting 6 years for the smallest bit of intestinal fortitude other than John Murtha. Let's hope it catches on. What a friggin' concept...this "Let's get tough stuff".
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Our Government pretends to care for life and liberty.
Look at their results.
Tax dollars spent on wars that end life;
Legislation that acts to restrict the people.
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Pete......YOU ROCK baby!!!!!
Yup, they can find $200B to fight an illegal war, but can't to make sure kids get the health care they need.
mjs @ 104:
hear hear
This just made my day.
It's about time someone spoke the Truth.
If the Rightwingers become emotionally unstable, how then can you trust them to make reasoned decisions concerning your national security?
It's about time we started to hear people speak out against this idiotic president and his administration. They are lucky it's just truthful remarks and not Trials for War Crimes.
I can't take anymore spineless Democratic apologies. If Pete Stark apologizes for his comments I will have to kill myself. And I CAN, too, since I live in Oregon where Bush has failed to prevent me from doing so!
Predictably, Pelosi has a statement on her web site that says Stark's comments were "innapropriate". What a crock! His statement reflects the mood of the country and he and Dodd are the only ones standing up against the Republican machine. These neocons don't understand negotiation and fair play - they understand only aggression and force. It's way past time for the Democrats to grow a SPINE and take the fight to them. Go Stark!
Is Bush in Iraq for amusement?
Very possibly.
He vetoed the Healthcare bill 'to be relevant'
"THE PRESIDENT: Right, as I said, we weren't dialed in. And I don't know why. But they just ran the bill, and I made it clear we weren't going to accept it. That happens sometimes. In the past, when I -- I said, look, make sure we're a part of the process, and we were. In this case, this bill started heading our way, and I recognize Republicans in the Senate supported it. We made it clear we didn't agree. They passed it anyway. And so now, hopefully, we'll be in the process. That's why the President has a veto. Sometimes the legislative branch wants to go on without the President, pass pieces of legislation, and the President then can use the veto to make sure he's a part of the process. And that's -- as you know, I fully intend to do. I want to make sure -- and that's why, when I tell you I'm going to sprint to the finish, and finish this job strong, that's one way to ensure that I am relevant; that's one way to sure that I am in the process. And I intend to use the veto."
jr @ 133:
Basically. It's the only way these fat doughy fuckwads to act tough from afar and feel like "real men", even though they lack any real hint of it throughout their sorry lives.
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