Did The White House Miss A Chance To Catch OBL Again?
By Nicole Belle Wednesday Oct 24, 2007 2:14pmBoy, even FOX News analysts are calling the Bush Administration (and the military generals--Watch out!) incompetent.
I have to admit that this story seemed completely buried until I heard it this morning on the Stephanie Miller Show. I only found one MSM story on it, which I don't remember seeing at the time, and I get MSNBC news alerts constantly. Maybe the press should try doing their job and ask a few questions at the next presser??? I'd think that it would be in the public's interest to know how well we are going after known enemies before they create even more in Iran, wouldn't you?
Col. David Hunt (ret.) on FOXNews.com (I'm citing the relevant portion if you don't want to give them the hits):
Besides, these things are of little consequence when you realize how we missed, squandered, screwed up, made a mess of and were massively risk adverse - again - when we did not kill Usama bin Laden in Afghanistan just two short months ago.
We know, with a 70 percent level of certainty - which is huge in the world of intelligence - that in August of 2007, bin Laden was in a convoy headed south from Tora Bora. We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations. We had the world's best hunters/killers - Seal Team 6 - nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies. We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it. Nice job again guys - now, pull the damn trigger.
Unbelievably, and in my opinion, criminally, we did not kill Usama bin Laden.
You cannot make this crap up; truth is always stranger and more telling than fiction. Our government, the current administration and yes, our military leaders included, failed to kill bin Laden for no other reason than incompetence.
The current "boneheads" in charge will tell you all day long that we are fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to stop terrorists there so they do not come here. Nice talk, how about - just for a moment - acting like you mean what you say? You know walk the walk. These incidents, where we displayed a total lack of guts, like the one in August, are just too prevalent. The United States of America's political and military leadership has, on at least three separate occasions, chosen not capture or kill bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahri. We have allowed Pakistan to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda. We have allowed Al Qaeda to reconstitute, partially because of money they (Al Qaeda in Iraq) have been sending to Al Qaeda in Pakistan.
I'm waiting for Boehner to introduce a resolution censuring Col. Hunt now...
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If the MSM doesn't report it, did it really happen?
So much for the "Path to 9-11" BS.
Bush made the fictional Disney/ABC movie real, just with the wrong President, twice over.
Bush needs OBL to continue making boogieman video, like this latest one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUiNiB2yVCQ
Truly scary.
Incompetence my ass... deliberate is more like it.
for the love of God!!!! I might be able to cut these people a little slack if they just did things right every now and then! But damn!
As I stare into my crystal ball...I see...Faux nooz smearing Col. Hunt...
Given how control-freak this Administration is, trying to micromanage everything - except itself, of course - this just doesn't make any sense. This is almost like that stupidity of Hitler's general staff, for being pee-their-pants scared of waking der Fuhrer from his drug-induced slumber and telling him that D-Day was happening! In-effing-sane!
If this is true, then this is effing HUGE.
respectably asking, "What is or who is Hunt's source???"
till we have credible source other than Hunt, I can't believe anything but "Mike Hunt" Jokes on the Airport Public Address System.
Did The White House Miss A Chance To dig OBL Out of his grave Again? This absurd fantasy is getting very stale. Mr. Bin Laden passed away of natural causes over five and a half years ago in December, 2001. He was buried in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan. Check out www.whatreallyhappened.com and see the OBL fake lookalikes used by our honorable Administration in the last several videos...
They can't kill their biggest payday. duh.
They 9current adimistration) need him (OBL) is to further their aims. This is the only reason I can up with for seemingly always letting him slip by.
Curious as to when they will trot out another tape....
Of course they didn't kill him. The Republicans desperately need Osama bin Laden to be alive. Without him they lose the remaining 28-percenters. Sick fucks.
james k. sayre @ 9:
Did you hear? Paul is dead, too.
If this is confirmed they will probably find some way to blame it on FISA./Reid/Pelosi/Moveon
Wrong year for the October Surprise! Next year, this time to help the gooper meat puppet over the hump.
why would they catch him. he has the greatest and most timely video service of all time. It's also a guaranteed fundraiser for war profiteers. As long as there's profit in it, OBL will never be caught, at least not by the boosh crime syndicate.
Ol' Raisin Brain is supported by those he calls his "Base". And al Qaeda is Arabic for, ummm.... what, again!?!
duncanidho @ 8:
:lol: credible source? :lol:
If they want to catch him, they should set a trap at Christmas dinner at Kennebunkport
I used to live next to a marine (might've been army actually...can't remember. I'm no military buff so I don't remember those kinds of details) who served in Afghanistan in the early part of the war, pre-Iraq invasion. Our balconies connected and one time (this would be in the summer of 2004) he and I got drunk together and me told me that he personally witnessed a time when they could have killed him (I think he claimed to have seen him himself), but were commanded not to. He said they were never told why, but the general feeling he got around base was that it would hurt the case for war with Iraq.
Who knows if he was BSing me or not. He did serve there, I know that. Overall, I considered him to be a real straight talking no BS kinda guy and as two New Yorkers, we don't usually joke about that kind of stuff. Anyway, it was a drunk conversation over 3 years ago so the details allude me, but the main point has always stuck with me. They coulda and they didn't.
OBL is never going to be caught as long as the Bush regime grasps power. Bush has taken far too much money from the Bin Ladins. That money buys a lot of love.
It'll probably turn out that OBL is a CIA asset.
BaScOmBe @ 18:
Has anybody seen Mike Hunt?
A sphincter says what?
Dhalgren @ 7:
true? :lol:
yesterday fux blamed the california fires on al kayda! :lol:
true? :lol:
duncanidho @ 8:
Well, first it's Col David Hunt, and hardly a liberal dove.
Secondly, this is FOX's military analyst.
Thirdly, I linked a separate report from MSNBC with the same details. It's been virtually buried in all other media and the White House has not been asked to confirm it.
This is actually the most relevant part of the article:
I bet the few of you that read this stuff thought I would write about my short stint in the sights of those who complained or used my column last week for their own purposes. Nah, it ain't going to happen. Those who were yelling or using me on their TV shows — without bringing me on to comment — are hardly worth the print space. I am not that big a deal.
Hunt is simply making up something in order to get back at someone who criticized him. I'm going to call bullshit on that "report" about bin Laden because none of it seems credible.
No way would he, bin Laden, be talking on a cellphone inside of a vehicle. There is absolutely no possible chance of that--it is suicide for any entity who doesn't want to be killed outright to do that. For years, we were able to exploit this and take them out and they have definitely learned from that type of activity and changed the way they operate. I don't know what axe Hunt has to grind, but he seems to think that the things that Bin Laden is suddenly engaged in doing things that he stopped doing almost a decade ago?
What clown fed him that report? What is the source of that report?
It's far more likely that Bush would give OBL the Medal of Freedom before he would kill him. Other than Cheney, OLB has given Bush more power than he ever dreamed that he would have as president. Bush could well afford to kill
Saddam, but he can't afford to kill OLB. He would lose his bogey man.
Paul @ 21:
Al Kida was founded by our current secretary of defense, Robert Gates. Fox is saying that Al Kida started the fires in San Diego.
A wave of hopelessnes evelopes me whenever I realize that some people actually believe there is a "war on terror" or a "war on drugs". Fool me once shame on you, fool me 826,000 times, oh what's the point.
skyreader7 @ 27:
OBL plays Santa Claus at the Bushes
Paul @ 21:
and the cia works for boosh. the math is too easy.
please stop making sense! I'm getting terrrrrrrrifffiiiiieeed! woooo!
It couldn't be that Osama's family is a member of the Carlyle group with very close ties to the Bush crime family could it?
nigel @ 14:
It'll be the Clintons again. Somehow it'll be Hillary's fault.
Of course - if Colbert is the Democratic nominee, it'll be Jon Stewart's fault.
As has been said - Bush needs bin Laden to continue his power grab. Without the bearded asshole alive, Bush would have to summon up a new demon which is too much like work.
now why would bush/cheney want to kill OBL? bush/cheney are in bed with the
bin laden family. the bushco administration has never had any intention of killing
OBL. they would have to end their illigal war in iraq.
this administration is bent on destroying the United States.
it's time to IMPEACH bush and cheney as terrorists and war criminals.
I wonder if someone will make a docudrama detailing this event?
Obviously Col. Hunt must be one of those "phony soldiers" about whom Rush Limbaugh is such an authority...
Killing Usama bin Laden, the greatest asset CIA has? You gotta be kidding. Just ask any informed person outside USA.
Al-Queda and the GOP are joined at the hip. They desperately need each other to recruit followers and wage their wars across the globe. If one goes, the other goes, and neither can let that happen. Bin Laden is as useful to Bush and Bush is to bin Laden. Don't look for bin Laden's head anytime soon.
Condi Liar is testilying before Waxman's committee right now on C-Span.org. She is so busted . . the Rethuglicans are praising our current efforts in Iraq and stating that the Democrats hope that things don't go well there.
Now Lynn Westmoreland is defending the Iraq policy . . . sins of the father continued by the son
They need their "boogyman." Period.
They don't want to kill him because he's one of their best excuses for illegally occupying a foreign country and stealing it's oil reserves, DUH.
And shouldn't they be blaming bill clinton for this? Didn't they get the memo? It's all clinton's fault.
moondancer @ 15:
They won't do that either. I had it related to me, that early in 2006 SEAL Team 6 with adjucnt participation of the FBI knew exactly where OBL was in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They had him under constant surviellance and could have taken him out at any time (That from an FBI guy who was there and who, on returning, tossed that comment out over beers as a statment that was peripheral to his central theme, which was an awed general observation of what Real McCoy bad-asses the SEAL's are). They never received orders to act, just gather information. I figured they'd use that as a trump card and play it just before the election in order to manipulate the weak-minded within the electorate. Never happened. There's apparently deeper things afoot.
Paul @ 22:
Thom Hartman put it best: "The most boring story in the world would be Superman, if he had no Kryptonite and Lex Luthor."
Bush and his Administration needs Osama "to remain relevant".
MargeAggedon @ 40:
Clinton is on the memo writing committee. The clintons and the bushes are competing groups under the same umbrella organization.
E Ryno @ 43:
http://www.cfr.org/
Moments later, Col. Hunt issues a clarification:
"Oops, I meant 'Obama' ."
Constant Bill Bucknerism by the junta but they get "tough" billing by Matthewsian beltway types
dadams @ 33:
Your going to have to impeach or fire or recall Pelosi and Freinds first. She is going to use every trick in the book to make sure thatBush gets away with murder. These Californian Democrats are looking like they may well as be neocons.
IdahoMoe @ 4:
Exactly, BushCo will never kill or capture Osama and the reason they will not is not 'incompetence'.
Nope, they need him alive to justify their assault on our nation's freedom.
The entire cabal are traitors and should be tried as such.
Killing OBL is not in the military-industrial complex's best interest...how the hell are they supposed to rape the taxpayers for BILLIONS of dollars if they kill themselves out a job?
Albatross @ 35:
:lol: I think his real name is "Mike"! :lol:
How do you kill your fathers friends son?
LibertyLover @ 1:
If the truth were really told, would anybody hear it?
Hyrda
Rusty Shackleford @ 13:
I they didn't have OBL, they would pick on the Clintons. Wait a minute...
With all the resources available to it, the only conclusion one can draw for why the Bush Administration has not killed OBL is that the Bush Administration does not wish to kill OBL.
I have long held that the only reason why OBL could still be alive despite requiring a kidney transplant is that OBL has actually received a kidney transplant. I strongly suspect that he has gone back and forth between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia on multiple occasions.
The only conclusion that one can draw by OBL's continued survival is that the Bush Administration and the Saudi government have both played their parts in keeping him alive.
liberalNmoderation @ 49:
When he was three-quarters of the way through a quart of Old Bushmill’s Irish Whiskey at the Turnberry Club in North Miami Beach, former Iran-Contra notable Major General Richard V. Secord used to say, “Son, there’s no more heroes, and nobody makes any money without a bogeyman.”
E Ryno @44,
True dat. Also with trilateralists. This is all about managed conflict, alá Strauss/Hegel, for fun, profits and the consolidation of power into ever widening spheres of control. Play both sides as pawns, incite strife, manipulate events, prolong strife, manipulate outcomes so that both pawns lose and must cede their power and assets to those doing the manipulation. It's a work of generations.
ThunderMonkey @ 42:
And by 2017, that relevance is expected to cost $2.4Trillion($2,400,000,000,000)!
Paul @ 57:
Starting with Prescott "Grandpappy" Boosh!
The fact that only "ONE" source reported this
is telling in of itself. The leaker of this story
will be renditioned I'm sure, you know,
to be 'purified'.
Albatross @ 55:
like you said, I'm pretty sure that they can find a good kidney for a man worth $100,000,000.00, even if his name is Osama. I'm pretty sure they can find lookalikes, too.
Kill Bin Laden and "end" the fear-mongering???? Hell no! That just would not do. Our CIC, bush, needs to have him alive so that he can kill more non-christian innocents.
What the hell? It seems like OBL is moving between Waziristan and Afghanistan with complete impunity...oh yeah, all of our military might is over in Iraq getting ready for the war with Iran.
I just added the video to youtube, for anyone that wants to add it to their blog or whatnot.
Bush Let Bin Laden Escape At Tora Bora AGAIN- Aug 07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwPTv5zeIrw
"Mr. President, how much money has your family made off of the war?"
Same s**, different day. Saudi's are off limits to boy George.
maybe bush co. they will allow a "capture or kill" of osama when they have sufficiently built up a new scary boogie man, perhaps one looking to build nukes. that way bush co. can have the success and the continued war without end.
I bet if OBL was driving thru Iran they would have bombed the $hit out of him.
Bush can't bring himself to pull the trigger on an old family friend.
justabill @ 64:
At 1:55 in the youtube movie linked above there is a shot of the blue sky. Clearly visible is what appears to be a cloud or contrail formation in the shape of the sign for "infinity". Obviously a sign as to how long OBL will be alive, if the bush government has anything to do about it.
As Ike said, we ought to be wary of the possibility of a corrupt government waging wars simply for personal economic gain.
L.A. Confidential @ 56:
What a totally fucked world we live in....
It never was about getting Bin Laden, it was always the OIL stupid.
justabill @ 3:
You are correct.
The oil is just a dividend. Bush & Cheney need OBL as a boogeyman to push unrestrained executive power on the American people. And so far it's worked beautifully. OBL will move through SWA with impunity for as long as he serves this administration's purpose.
Look, the Bush Administration needs to keep scaring Congress with their "Osama gonna' gitcha!" crap to keep their agenda on track. It works! Everytime!! Now how in the world will they scare Congress with Osama if Osama is dead???
I heard about an Iraqi triple A gunner in the first Gulf war. This guy was the worst shot on the planet. He would fire red tracers at our aircraft going in and coming back from every mission, always missing by miles every time. The American pilots called him the 'Red Rope Bandit' because of the red tracers he fired at them. A reporter once asked one of our pilots why didn't they just take the guy out? The pilot said it was because the Iraqi's might replace him with somebody who could shoot. No, they liked the "Bandit" manning that gun just fine.
Bush & Cheney need Osama as much as Osama needs them. They need him to keep us afraid of the terrorists who are "Gonna git us cause they hate freedom'. It works for them, furthers their agenda. And well, let's face it, imagine the world of hurt Osama would be in if we had somebody in the White House who had a brain.
I thought I read about this in the WaPo not to long ago. Trying to find it now.
Bush will never kill a member of the Saudi clan, they are best buds.
Busholini can't kill his cousin.
Am I the only one who read this and scratched his head?
We have allowed Al Qaeda to reconstitute, partially because of money they (Al Qaeda in Iraq) have been sending to Al Qaeda in Pakistan.
Seems to me that the resources wqould be flowin' outward from some a third country(Saudi Arabia?). I can't see how AQI- from most accounts a group on the wane- could afford to finance the group in Pakistan.
Though those palates full of cash shipped to Iraq don't seem to have been too closely watched...
ALLLL together now....
IT'S CLINTON'S FAULT!!!
70 percent, no action taken. Yet Cheney claims that if there is even 1 percent chance of danger from another nation, we must waste no time in annihilating them. What was the name for that? The 1 Percent Solution? I think someone wrote a book about it.
Jeff @ 76:
The criminal Bush regime has no trouble coming up with boogeymen-- look how easily he sold Saddam to America, and how easily Iran is being peddled today. Bin Laden is nothing more than background noise-- he's not needed in the boogeyman role, there are plenty of others to take his place. He's convenient to use sometimes as a boogeyman, but not a necessity. In fact, if Bush could kill or capture him, he would, just to show what a cowboy he is. But I believe Bin Laden is off limits on Saudi orders. I think daddy Bush has laid down Bushco law to junior. The Saudis own Bushco.
So even if we find him the troops in afghanistan are too stort-handed to get him on short notice. Great. Great... What a fucking bannana republic we have.
#10 is correct. Bin Laden been dead since 2001. He had nothing to do with 911 anyhoo.
Straight Shooter @ 83:
Yeah, by that logic we should have send at least 70 missiles Osamas way. But no, not one apparently.
Every right wing blog should be forced to take a stance on this news item.
Bush and UBL made a deal. UBL got to live and escape Tora Bora in exchange for AQ not attacking inside the US. If Bush takes out UBL, the deal would be off.
You don't kill your cash cow, or the Goose that is laying the golden eggs....
As I've said many times before, you can't go & kill Osama! He has too much value to the GOP as a ethereal bogeyman. They have invested too much time, energy & money creating a marketing juggernaut out of Osama & Al Qaeda.
Starting with Prescott “Grandpappy” Boosh! - BaScOmBe @59
I wonder why nobody in the media has ever covered the Bush Crime Family's escapades through the generations? Prescott Bush's dealing's with the nazi being a particular example, and for that matter, an example of these self-appointed elite's work at managed conflict.
ThunderMonkey @ 42,
You're right.
Limp-Dick Blimpaugh @ 73,
Which is why the Saudis need to be wary, because according to the neocon plan, Saudi is going to be the final target that they topple (See Brezinski's Global Chess... or Rupert's Crossing the Rubicon...). It's about oil, because in their minds oil is power. Power is all.
Generally,
They need each other. Bush/neocons need a focus to cause fear, Bin Ladin needs to be able to claim he can deliver. He'll claim responsibility for things he had nothing to do with, because that buys him credibility among his target base. Both of these scumbags are interested only in power at any cost.
Did The White House Miss A Chance To Catch OBL Again?
The like to protect their own, what more needs said?
I don't want them to kill Osama Bin Ladin.
I want them to capture Osama Bin Ladin. I want him to stand trial in a court in full view of the public. Have ALL evidence against him presented. Then let a panel of Judges listen to the evidence against him and convict or acquit.
This is our judicial tradition. This is our heritage. This is what our fore fathers died for. We should not throw it out so easily because of our thirst for blood and revenge. What if he was just a convenient patsy for the Bush administration and didn't really organize 911 at all. He, just like everyone else, deserves a fair trial. Hell, to make it fair you take one Judge from America and one from say ten other countries ( preferably ones we haven't invaded ). So that way nobody can say we're stacking the deck.
Now, normally, I'm FOR the death penalty. No, it doesn't stop people from killing. But THAT particular guy will never kill again. But not in this case. You kill a couple of people, killing you makes sense. You'll never escape and kill again and you're not living on the publics dime. But with the blood on this man's hands, assuming he is guilty, you could kill him a hundred times and it wouldn't be enough to repay his debt to both this nation and to the world.
This man is a symbol. If you kill him he becomes a martyr. A rallying cry for every suicide bomber out there.
So, instead of killing him you lock him up in a nice supermax federal prison for life. No visitors. No parole. No work release. No time off for good behavior. You don't need to torture him or kill him. The fact that he is in an American prison, being treated like a human being. Getting his three meals a day and his twenty minutes of outdoor recreation under armed supervision per day will be enough to say to the whole rest of the world including all those whacked out Islamofacists that actually ARE terrorists ( as opposed to the Iraqis that are fighting to reclaim their homeland from foreign invaders ) that America doesn't just toss aside it's ideals for the hell of it. We're -better- than that. Leaving Bin Ladin alive would be to rub their nose in the big steaming pile that is their hatred against us. It would also make us look like we actually take our laws, legal traditions and our humanity seriously which is something that fell by the wayside since Bush has been in office.
And for the next twenty or so years that Bin Ladin has left to live, we broadcast a live webcam from his cell, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. So that every child in America knows that the boogie man has been captured and is paying his penance and that every terrorist out there knows that the same fate is waiting for them.
E in MD @ 93:
We will NEVER catch OBL because to do so would mean the end of bush's GWOT.
Makes me think of Bill Clinton talking about how the Republicans called him obsessed for trying to go after bin Laden.
And yeah, I agree with the sentiment to capture and try him.
Linda @ 95:
Amen. Succinct and to the point. And so very correct.
The White house does not want to kill OBL or destroy Al-Qaeda.
Once you kill King Kong the movie is over. Osama bin Bogeyman's ratings are just too high, and he brings blockbuster returns. Heck, for all we know he might already be dead.
Lotta mileage still left in that horse - don't kill him off yet!
This story is NOT true. It is EXTREMELY exaggerated.
My take:
Saudis love Osama-threaten BushCo with changing to the Euro to trade Oil. BushCo goons don't want to loose their bizillin-dollar a year CEO bonuses-let Osamo go, attack Iraq to shift focus/resources.....
The military is doing their job...and that job is to keep bin Laden safe. He is the personification for terror and to kill him would be to kill the facists "cause" and they would lose some grip on this country. Cheney/Bush wants a police state, and want you to be terrified. They are not incompetent, they are selling this country out. If you want to think anything about Cheney/Bush, think the worst.
The funny thing about this story and the original story a few years back, is that we are supposed to believe that we aren't catching/killing OBL because of "incompetence".
YEAH RIGHT!
We aren't catching him because he works for us.
Are you still believing that this is all incompetence? HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!
Read "House of Bush, House of Saud" and research WTC 7. Thats about all you need to know.
Bin Laden works for the USA.
Let me clarify my previous post. It is an understatement to say he exaggerated. That implies that there is an underlying basis of truth. Hunt received bad information, or reworked the story. Either way, this is so far from the truth, that the implication is 100% off the mark. I'm certainly not defending the Admin. but I hate to see bad poop out there. Cheers!
Nogahdz Noughmasters @ 99:
So, did we catch him after all?
Just curious.
OBL is not alive, and probably hasn't been for a few years. He had liver cancer and was already dying at the time of 9/11, which he had nothing to do with anyway.
OBL now is the greatest reason to continue the infinite War On Terror. If the Bush admin ever admitted that he was indeed dead, or that they 'killed' him, that would be very bad for the war profiteering that's been taking place.
OBL is/was a CIA trained operative working for the US since the 80's. He's the son of one of Papa Bush's best Saudi buds. The Bush and the Saudi's go way back, so there never was any interest or intention of "hunting down" OBL or any of the sponsors in Saudi that were involved with the attacks on 9/11.
I've said it before, but again, Bush and Co. have never cared one iota about any of the victims of 9/11. They don't care about any of the dead American soldiers in Iraq, and they certainly don't care about any of the tens of thousands of dead innocent civilian Iraqi's.
OBL will NEVER be caught or found. You can't catch what doesn't exist.
E in MD @93,
You are being entirely too reasonable, nay, perhaps..dare I say it...just. Stop that right now! This is Amerika; our beloved America likely no longer exists.
Agreed with everything you say, with the exception of the death penalty. I'm willing to bet that odds are, if OBL was given a trial - to international tribunal standards, and all evidence was truthfully presented, with none being suppressed, redacted ,classified as secret or otherwise manipulated, it would soon be demonstrated that many of his most spectacular claims for terrorist acts were false claims, and that he is more of an opportunist who claims credit in order to enhance his image among his "constituents"; more, that he has been a tool and an agent of others; further, that if he spoke truthfully - spilled his guts - the world, and particularly our nation, would be in for many a terrible shock that would end with many currently high, mighty and supremely confident of their positions of secure power being brought down. That prospect, to my thinking, is the only thing that would bring about his capture, and the only point of that capture would be to silence him so that far guiltier parties would escape justice.
It's very simple -- Bin Laden is far more valuable to Bush/Cheney alive than dead. These guys certainly do not want the American public to feel any sense of closure over 9/11. Bush and Bin Laden need eachother, it's a symbiotic relationship that enhances the cause of both of them.
Nicole Belle @ 25:
Nicole,
right now we have Hunt as the source, what I'm asking is who or where did he get his info,
did he get it thru the informal back channels of the Officers club? Did it originate from some friendly pashtun seperatist? did it come from someone on the intelligence committee, or did it come from Novak or Judy Miller?
My concern is the faux disinformation campaign. They are not a credible source, and even if they do have a real live Col working for them as an analyst, its Like anything coming out of Ollie North, I can't accept it at face value.
having been to the border area I have a different perspective. always validate via more than one source, otherwise you end up like Colin Powell with yellow cake on your face.
Bin Laden is dead.
...
Bush is not going to pull the trigger on his political ally and business partner.
oh yeah, the 82nd is capable of working with darkside operators. I point to the formerly classified air drop of B/3/504th PIR in February of 2003.
Course that's when General Vines was in charge, which suggests there was closer lines of communication between the JSOTF, and Task Force commanders, and there was more decentralization.
Anyway Big army can get cumbersum in its response time, thats why pre -planning is always important.
When are people going to wake up and realize this guy is a business partner to the Bush's as well as an asset to continue, ad nauseum, this beyond ridiculous "war on terror"???
THEY DO NOT WANT TO CATCH THIS GUY!!! ASK YOURSELVES WHY? WHY MIGHT THAT BE?????????
And Col. Hunt will make an appearance on Hannity and O'Reilly this week to discuss this very issue with them, right?
And Hannity and O'Reilly will chastise the Bush Admin for not allowing OBL to be killed, right?
LOL, like that will happen.
Bin Laden is Dead!
Col. Hunt is a joke - he works for Fox! The neo-con nuts have to keep the fairy tale alive so they can keep scaring the masses who think Fox news is the Gospel. I'm just waiting for the next "terror" attack so they can cacel the elections and sic Blackwater on US citizens. What a screwed up country this is.....
Osama is dead....dead, dead, dead-doggone-dead.
He has shuffled off this mortal coil. He has expired & gone to meet his maker. He's a stiff. Bereft of life, he's ceased to be.
He is an ex-Osama...
Bush doesn't want to catch or kill Bin Laden. If Bush would capture or kill Bin Laden, he would have had a hard time using the fear factor to get congress to pass his military tax dollars bills so his friends and war contractors could make a killing off the war.
Bush talks like an idiot, acts like an idiot, but Cheney has set policies in place that have stolen our economy, democracy, freedom, rights and turn our country into a dictatorial government, and they now control our government agencies, the news media, our congress and now Americans.
Bush has also place his private contractors into our CIA, NSA, FBI and in charge of other intelligent government agencies. Bush has turn control and security of most of our government agencies to private contractors that will have no over site and will report to no one.
Bush has setup his own private controlled army, Blackwater while destroying our national guards and military. Looks like Bush and Cheney has setup a their select group of people responsible to no law and no one except them. If anyone still think we have a democracy and the American people have any say or control of our government or it functions,,, Then you are nuts.....
You should take a look at the Wounded Warriors Project. It raises awareness for severely wounded combat U.S. combat veterans in Iraq and Afghanistan. It really puts a face on the cost of this war. Here's a link:
http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/aarwebshow
Jeff
Incompetence or a long standing deal with Saudi royalty?
If they kill the guy and show the world they "got him"...
The war will be over.
And they know it.
THAT is why they let him go AGAIN.
The two biggest lies:
1. The check is in the mail.
2. Bush is protecting us from the terrorists.
Yellowbird @ 118:
Absolutely. Positively. If they kill / capture Usama Bin Laden, they lose the 'central selling point' of their so-called 'war on terror'. They would lose even the support of those 24% die-hards who currently back this administration.
What we need is for Democrats in congress to send a special, covert, oh-so-secret team to deliver a 'greeting card' to Bin Laden ....
... and all the while, American armed forces personnel continue to die ....
So why aren't the Democrats screaming about this? It is not only the Bush administration that is incompetent.
The Dummy's one claim to fame is his 'loyalty', and let's face it, Osama made Bush, so he ain't gonna do nothing to hurt him. Until it serves his best interests.
OBL is a great spook story just in time for halloween, but i'm afraid that after the occupation, there are dozens, scores, hundreds more like him. certainly he has almost mythological cachet amongst the disenfranchised of the ME, but my fear is that at this juncture, we've spawned many more and worse. killing him at this point would only make him a martyr to all his hopeful young successors. it would be better to catch him and have a show trial with lots of pictures of what he looks like without his morning coffee. not that that's ever going to happen. he's like the character of emmanuel goldstein in 1984 - very serviceable for the two minutes hate on fox.
CAPTAIN VISCERATE @ 111:
No they don't,Who is getting that 1.7 trillion dollars, not me. They spend a few million,we spend a few trillion. Osama and the United States bankrupted the Soviet Union with the Afgan War. Now Osama and Bush are going to bankrupt us. This an economic WAR against the citizens. PLEASE people pull your head out of the bucket. It probably to late, maybe we could at least save our self respect. I think we need to vote in overwhelming numbers. I guess I could go on and on.but I won't.
Predictions about what OBL before 9/11 by William Cooper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA OBL has not been caught because there are those that do not want him to be caught. Think about it people. Why is this?
Maybe he is no longer as much of a threat if we are keeping an eye on him, and if we are able to actively monitor him, maybe he is worth more alive than dead.
Thanks for leaving the information, but there are so many gaps in your report. For instance, besides merely blaming the administration as incompetant, is there a reason why OBL wasn't killed/captured? Where is the evidence besides this Col?
It strikes me that critical thinking is in short supply these days. Sure I don't agree with the current administration is doing. I also think that Bush is about the dullest tool in the box, but don't be a sheeple and follow the anti-Bush line that everything they do is made out of pure incompetence.
Why, why wasn't he killed? and I am asking for something beyond simple conspiracy theories here. The internet is great at exposing things like this, why can't we take the next step and bring what is exposed to our government? Has anyone actually tried to do this in a reasonable fasion (aka, not the Pink Code lunies).
And how do we know that Bush even had a choice in this. Beyond a standing order not to kill OBL, which is certainly not the case in the unclassified world at least, then what is the deal? Is every decision and event made and seen by Bush. No. it seems unreasonable that one man can be privy to so much information and decide cogently about it all. That is why there is such beurocracy (sp); the NSC, DOD, DOS, and more.
Incompentency, probably. Ineffeciency, more likely.
How cute..... some of you people still think the US government was ever after Osama in the first place.
Why they didn't get him? Because he is either on the PAYROLL, or
The Criminatti's in the Whitehouse promised old man BIN LADEN, they
wouldn't kill him. Do you know how upset the BIN LADEN family would
be if they killed him?
They need OBL alive.
He feeds the fear of terrorism and drives the administration's continual spread of that fear in order to justify altering terror alert levels, wars in the Middle East and the money it takes to fund them.
To quote a line from U2's "Lemon" ... "Man dreams of leaving, so he always stays behind."
Lyrical translation: When given the opportunity to be rescued, the stranded man chooses to stay behind, since being rescued kills his dream.
Political translation: Bush administration claims that its mission is to aggressively hunt down terrorists -- especially OBL -- and will not rest until OBL is dead. But once he's dead, so is their mission.
But Clinton could've prevented 9-11!
Here's a bit of divine justice. Harvey Keitel who was in the Path to 9-11 to star in a play as Jerry Springer.
Why would they want to destroy a CIA asset?
Why the surprise??
You can't go and kill your the guy who's running around whipping up support for your arms deals now can you? Even George isn't stupid enough to shoot the man who pops up on telly once a year, does his scary terrorist routine, and guarantees his buddies defense budgets for the next 12 months
You can't buy publicity like that (well obviously you can but thats not the point)
I agree with james k. ill even post the link he did
www.whatreallyhappened.com
That's to bad but we're still doing pretty damn good. Anti-terrorism personnel have caught a lot of bad people all around the world.
So we had the following going for us : We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations. We had the world’s best hunters/killers - Seal Team 6 - nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies. We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it. Nice job again guys - now, pull the damn trigger. and this guys says incompetence is the reason we didn't kill him? Sounds like we where fully competent to me (If the above is true). We just didn't do it for some other reason. But people don't care what that reason is. They just want someone to blame and someone to scorn.
If this is true, is it simply because of communication problems twixt the battlefield and HQ? Or is there a conscious effort to not have OBL killed? But what reason could there be for keeping him alive?
The fact is though, that with OBL dead, al-Queda will march on. In fact, OBL has pretty much become irrelevant as a leader, and what we're seeing is mostly cells which take inspiration from his teachings, but don't rely on him for planning or operational support.
I honestly believe that al-Queda and other groups which identify with the "Arab struggle" will keep causing havoc for many decades to come, no matter who gets killed in their leadership. Cut off the head and it simply grows a new head.
Cheers
"Our government, the current administration and yes, our military leaders included, failed to kill bin Laden for no other reason than incompetence."
You are making the very silly assumption that chimpy wants to OSB killed. Look at is this way. Bush has nothing to gain by killing bin-Laden at this point. If we took him out one of the wars would have to end, and that would cut into profit margins for the loyal bushies. It would also cast more doubt on why we are in Iraq. So I don't think this was incompetence at all. It was very well calculated. Think of it as our military escorting Osama from one place to another. If some kind of accident were to happen and he died, our national interests (Haliburton and Blackwater) would be threatened.
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