Musharraf Imposes Emergency Rule In Pakistan Suspends Constitution
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While the Bush administration tries to convince the world that Iran is the most destabilizing factor in the Middle East, the situation in Pakistan, a clearly unstable nuclear power, poses a greater and more imminent threat by far. More from BBC:
Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf has declared emergency rule and suspended the country's constitution.
Troops have been deployed inside state-run TV and radio stations, while independent channels have gone off air. Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, who condemned the moves, has reportedly been sacked and is being confined to the Supreme Court with 10 other judges.
It comes as the court was due to rule on the legality of Gen Musharraf's re-election victory in October. Read more...
nothing to see here?...
Well...this sucks.
I guess the Bush admin were right about that domino effect in the middle east. There goes a domino down now.
This is just a test run for what is to come shortly after the first Tues in Nov '08. If we, the American people who are as dumb as pro wrestling fans, can be convinced that what has taken place Pakistan is in "everyone's best interest". Then be afraid.
Freakaloin @ 1:
To quote Chief Clancy Wiggum (sure Ralph Wiggum has a non seqeuter on this type of event).
If - probably when - Pakistan heads into civil war, the conseratives will claim they did not see it coming.
Hey, whats a little dictatorship between allies?
Well NOW it'll be easy for Iran to get nukes.
Oh man, Bush is so jealous!!
TC @ 4:
I too foresee some military/constitutional crisis near the end of Dec. 07 that will leave Cheney as president, if only to cover their ass. Though the way the Dem congress is acting, they needn't worry.
HIT THE DECK!!!
how can an elected leader suspend the very law which provides for the office they hold? in a word - illegally.
These CNN commentators are painful to watch, like some Channel One High School news cast.
Let's not forget that Bush has created his own private army (blackwater) to help him do the same thing here.
Our military would never follow such a move. Sadly this was a running joke while I was deployed in Iraq. We laughed about Blackwater and others training to take over NYC. It is not as funny now.
But, but, but Musharraf is our ally in the war on terrah!
I just got through blogging on this myself. Too bad we've pissed away so much blood and treasure in Iraq. Because this is a situation that could get very bad and need the resources of a strong US Armed Force.
And the Huffington Post still has the writer's strike as top story ... The HuffPo continues to lose me.
There are so many fucked up things going on. The instability in Pakistan is frightening. And so is this:
The Kurdish Front Against Iran
Farideh Farhi makes some very interesting points about Kurdish groups in Iraq and their relationship to Iran, Turkey and the US.
Why is doing this?
He won the election.
So will someone explain? Why do 52% of Americans think we should be attacking Iran rather than Pakistan? Might it be because Iran has oil (which we want) but does not have nuclear weapons (which we fear)? While Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, which we should quite rightly fear? And why did The History [sic!] Channel run a show last night clearly pimping for war against Iran?
Where do these people rank in Bush and the Neocons Axis of Evil?
If we had a sane President the past 7 years Pakistanis would be thinking right now "Lets move to the United States and get away from the Bullshit!"
Nice thought at one time.
Blue Buddha @ 14:
shhhhh! don't say anything.....maybe they won't notice.
i think that pakistan either sits on top of one of the largest natural gas reserves in the world or is crucial to getting a pipeline for said natural gas built. so far they have cooperated with western interests vis a vis this natural gas (which may be in khazakstan or afghanistan, so they are not evil.
don't be surprised when bush/cheney declare martial law late in 2008 to avoid the
presidential election or to stop the democratically elected democrat from taking
office. bush will not give up the presidency without a strugle to get him out.
remember bush gave himself the power to declare martial law at any provocation
of threat to the USA no matter where it takes place. he and cheney are true
EVIL BASTARD FASCISTS.
I am guessing their Supreme Court ruled against him and now he is a dictator.
He said it was the rise of extremists but that does not pass the smell test.
I hope he sent troops to guard their nukes.
Geez.
this article might clear some things up about the instability in pakistan.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/57485
So what now we play "Nation Re builder -Theres a New Sheriff In Town Duke Nukem" to the rescue?
We don't have a leg to stand on. The idea of the executive being able to suspend constitutional rights and to detain "terrorists" indefinitely, without charge, is one that has now become basic Republican doctrine.
english teacher @ 11:
are you an idiot? have you not kept up on all the signing statements bush has
made just this year to give himself the power of a fascist-dictator? we are headed
for one of the rockiest periods in our history. the USA a democracy turned fascist
state and all at the hands of a criminal pres and vp, along with the help of a
very insipid complacent citizenry.
He's showing CheneyBushCo how it's done.
Just breaking it in on the road.
Another lesson Bushco has learned. How to efficiently suspend the constitution and install martial law. Just you watch!
I'm just sitting here wondering if the bush administration had not essentially abandoned Afghanistan and invaded Iraq, if the bush administration had done the prudent and reasonable thing and made sure that Afghanistan was secure first, would Pakistan be so vulnerable to all-out chaos at this point?
Is there any silver lining to this cloud? Does this mean we can't go after Iran while Pakistan is in turmoil? Or will Cheney's thugs seize upon this as justification to "nip nukes in the bud"?
It's a very disturbing scenario, thinking of those who are lying in wait to take over Pakistan and gain control of its nukes.
talibums @ 26:
you nailed it.That is the threat.That is why boosh will let him get away with anything and calls him an Allie...the Islamic Fundies want that country.....can you imagine what the sing along would be like...GEEEEEEEEE...HAAAAAAAAD....
L.A. Confidential @ 27:
Don't you mean "...Theres a Musharraf In Town Duke Nukem"
talibums @ 26:
Good article.
Leave it to the gop to want war with the wrong country again.
"Today no other country on earth is arguably more dangerous than Pakistan. It has everything Osama bin Laden could ask for: political instability, a trusted network of radical Islamists, an abundance of angry young anti-Western recruits, secluded training areas, access to state-of-the-art electronic technology, regular air service to the West and security services that don't always do what they're supposed to do. (Unlike in Iraq or Afghanistan, there also aren't thousands of American troops hunting down would-be terrorists.) Then there's the country's large and growing nuclear program. "If you were to look around the world for where Al Qaeda is going to find its bomb, it's right in their backyard," says Bruce Riedel, the former senior director for South Asia on the National Security Council."
Geez.
All Bush and Cheney can do now is to attempt to frighten the bored American public with more tales of terror and certain destruction unless the Administration is given back the power it once thought it had.
Boing
Straight Shooter @ 33:
uuuh, would that be bin laden your referring to?
The difference here is the Pakistani Supreme Court is not quite in the hip pocket of the administration the way it is in the U.S. There won't be a need for martial law after the '08 election as long as a Bush or Bush-lite candidate is successfully planted in office ( Rudy or Hillary ) . If by some miracle a Kucinich or a Ron Paul gets in, all bets are off.
Here is a decent article explaining our recent history with Pakistan and how it could play out now:The Pakistan Question
Bush and Cheney are taking notes...
getalife @ 25:
He never gave them the chance to rule against him, it was scheduled to happen this coming week. Which is the real reason for this martial law, he removed 7 of the justices that would have found his election illegal. The extremist story is 100% pure bullshit.
I guess we're fighting them in Iraq so we can watch them take over Pakistan.
Politics aside, it's really painful watching and listening to the CNN newscasters. They sound incoherent, can't complete a proper sentence and are just silly. It seems that without a teleprompter they are incapable of intelligent conversation. How could they obtain jobs as journalists, even if it is only TV journalism, being such idiots?
sphinx @ 40:
thanks sphinx....good article.I had forgotten some of that.And the article is 100% right....ah good ole Israel....
IB222 @ 44:
Because in MSM, being able to say solely what you are told to say isn't a drawback, it's a requirement.
MHealy @ 42:
Yes, I guess they have an ignorant, gullible, wingnut base too . He was comparing it to Abe Lincoln.
if we have learned anything with bushco's illegal war is bush is enabling and empowering bin laden not trying to capture him. bush and cheney have been in bed with the bin laden family from the start. if you don't agree, then why has bush let osama bin laden get away three times now. we have a bastard as president.
We're ignoring Al-Queada in Afghanistan and Pakistan (and in our own country...see 9/11), but damn do we have our eye on the ball in Iraq. Has there ever been an administration that has destabilized the Middle East more Bush's? And the right calls Carter a nut (peace between Egypt and Israel , what a joke). When Bush's prediction of WWIII comes true from the Middle East he has no one to blame but himself...and Dickhead Cheney.
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Pakistan, America's ally on the TWOT.
Acquired nukes illegally = ALLY?
Home of the Taliban = ALLY?
Housing/refuge for bin Laden = ALLY?
Military Dictatorship = ALLY?
LOL...
... ALLY of what kind?
The
War
OF
Terrorism
?
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fiver @ 46:
Certainly not one of their finer moments..I got the impression they were excited because they had something to do....oh boy,oh boy,oh boy......bouncing up and down...big giant smiles as the talk about another coup......no wonder people don't have any faith in the media.
mudshark @ 51:
Certainly not one of their finer moments..I got the impression they were excited because they had something to do....oh boy,oh boy,oh boy......bouncing up and down...big giant smiles as the talk about another coup......no wonder people don't have any faith in the media.
Yet somehow the BBC manged to do a professional job. My country gets more second rate every day.
...as does my ability to use html...
Max-1 @ 50:
Come on, Max. It's TWAT ... The War Against Terror
How did the "CONSTITUTION" matter while the country was already under a dictatorship? It just was there as a show piece anyways. Now that the dictator is facing some opposition to his rule, the first thing he does is chuck out the constitution and declares emergency. The problem with Pakistan is not that it is infested with terrorist but the parts which are not under the control of the Pakistani Government. These are the parts where the evil one is hiding and he has some support of the pakistani population. Its almost the same way how Verrappan, the infamous sandal wood smuggler, even though being within the Indian country was not caught for a very long time.
fiver @ 53:
don't be so hard on yourself...those tubes can be hard to negotiate sometimes...I'm just glad I figured out spell check.
I've always said bushbaby is going to kill us all.
In other words, we''re up s**t creek without a paddle/.
This country is getting uglier by the day.
nativeokie @ 13:
I can remember not so long ago there were rumors that there is a secret contract with the IDF to act as police on our soil should Martial Law be declared here.
mudshark @ 56:
Me two!
We're next!
fiver @ 59:
tanks..Im glad yuo figered thet uot.....LOL
talibums @ 38:
Very likely bin Laden, or bin Laden wannabes, or agents provocateur seeking to instill even greater instability in that region of the world for the benefit of war profiteers on the open market and the black market.
When bin Laden said, "the attack will be spectacular" in the infamous 8/6/01 PDB, never in his wildest dreams could he have imagined so many of his dreams coming true, thanks to bush the idiot son.
Hmmm sounds vaguely familiar...sounds like 9/11, AM talk radio and Fox News . Musharraf is learning from the best.
Yep, this is just a preview of how the US will be run soon, with security contracts to "protect" the polling places handed out on a no-bid basis to Blackwater. You think these guys are not set to become the new Praetorian Guard? We are already too late to smother them in the crib. They have already been deployed inside the US. Nobody dares cross them.
Gosh, activist judges and a 'president' insisting other people lack 'the resolve' to fight terrorism.
Now, why does that sound so familiar?
The grim reality is that Pakistan has tested, deployable nuclear weapons, just as it has since 2003, when we were being told a country that had tubes and uranium was going to ruin our day with a mushroom cloud. It isn't going to take a coup, or hordes of Taliban members storming the castle ... all it will take is one man with a key, and possibly thinks he's safeguarding his country by keeping the bombs out of Musharraf's hands.
Of course, if Pakistan falls apart, India - our new best buddies and recipient of nuclear goodies - will get awfully antsy.
Chimpy's twin.
Did I miss chimpy's emergency speech?
where is the
talk of mushroom clouds
by condi
heh...
yo... bush
pakistan has a bomb
crickets... crickets... crickets...
heh...
Good thing that won't happen here. The Secret Government just installs whoever they want every 4 or 8 years.
Peace.
Man, that CNN talking head and her pet monkey make the news sound like valley girl gossip. Her emphasis and inflection is just wrong. It's like she's 14 years old trying to fight through a cocaine & ecstasy high to get at the seriousness of the situation.
Luckily the guy jackhammering through 2 solid feet of chalkboard outside whilst two gangs of racoons had a turf war, drowned them out.
What strikes me as odd is that there is hardly any talk of it on cable news. You would think that this would preempt regular week-end programming. MSNBC is doing their usual perverts-on-parade show and CNN is showing Larry King reruns. I wouldn't know about FOX as I don't watch them, but Pakistan isn't being discussed. Al Qaeda is probably creaming their pants and can't wait to get their hands on a nuke.
if Musharraf and Bhutto go down.........this could get very very ugly.....
Hmmmm, but THAT couldn't happen here... huh.....huh.....
Blood in the streets anyone???... I sure as hell hope not... I'll say one thing... It better not happen here under Chimpies watch or that's exactly what will happen... Motherfucker.. He probably is jealous.....
Hi sphinx; nice to see you posting again... Interesting, though fairly depressing article in its implications that you provided a link for......Bullocks to Chimpy and all the other neocons out there drooling at the prospects... And warm regards to you Mz. Sphinx................JD
Firstly, MY GAWD: we certainly don't get these bimbo newspeople on CNN International. It's like some 2007 equivalent of "valley girl speak" and so pandering. "Like (girlfriend) this is why you should totally care, ok, and what you should totally, like, know, ok... " And so very affected. Don't most viewers already know that stuff? (Silly question?)
Anyway, I don't know what to make of this. It's bad. Really bad. I'm sure, also, Bush is delighted Musharaf stays in power. He's a dirty dealer, and doesn't need to worry about what the public thinks (much as Bush dreams he himself could be).
There's so much going on right now. The slide of the US dollar is frightening too. Remember how they just keep printing money in 1930's Germany? I cost 2,000,000 marks just to a buy a loaf of bread. It levelled out the economy of the entire nation (although, I'm sure the rich had gold and real estate etc.). The average working stiff was wiped out and they were wage slaves to the government-controlled, corporatist (Nazi) economy. Sound familiar to anyone?
Stuff has been nagging at me. It's everything together. Something big is going on.
It's like I feel all these things are connected, there really is a world cabal (the rich) at work, you know what I mean?
The CNN folks and administration nuts sound particularly ridiculous.
First of all, Condi Rice says that Pakistani government ought to respect the constitution, and that the administration condemns any extra-constitutional motions.
What? The Bush admin has "never" gone outside the constitution...
And the male anchor said that perhaps Musharraf hasn't done everything in his power to catch Osama.
Didn't we let Osama get away?
vote for sadly, no for funniest blog here:
http://2007.weblogawards.org/polls/funniest-blog-1.php
Don't let the wingnuts fix another election! Let's fix it ourselves!
This is blowback for Bush's inability (or unwillingness) to finish the job in Afghanistan. A job for which Musharraf was threatened with bombing if he did not cooperate.
But impeachment is off the table.
Will someone please tell me how Pakistan got Nuclear Weapons in the first place?
how is president george bush really any different from president pervez musharraf condi?
they both use extra-constitutional means whenever they want to effect their wishes. where musharraf just suspends the bloody thing, bush issues signing statements detailing which parts he will ignore, or has his toady attorney general merely stop enforcing its provisions.
so what really prompted musharraf to declare martial law? i'd imagine it mostly flowed from bhuttos' recent return and the notion that he soon would have to cede power, at least partially, to her. he didn't like that idea. no not one bit. time for plan b.
so shrubby, what are *you* going to do when it gets close to inauguration day in 2008 if it's hillary's mitts extending towards the bible on the steps of the capitol as she raises her other hand and starts to speak, hmmmmm?
getting ideas there shrub? got a plan b?
Shhh.
Hear it?
That's the sound of "democracy" spreading throughout the region...
Different Anonymous @ 80:
yeah..."it smells like victory"
sassafra @ 81:
I thought I smelled victory this evening, but it just turned out I left the oven on-and it needs a good scrubbing.
Neal Diamond @ 78:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction heres some history courtesy of Wikipedia...
Neal Diamond @ 78:
I think, they might say, it was a bit of, "oops, we forgot to look there." I dunno. Anyone? I mean, they can read your licence plate from a satellite, and DO.
They just do things different ... gack ...
You do realize martial law in the US isn't entirely out of the question now don't you?
Dry run for US?
The whole region is a powder keg and the wild card here is India. If it perceives that Pakistan is deteriorating into chaos or if the Islamic militants end up in power with their hands on Pakistan's nuke arsenal, India may just decide to go into war with Pakistan and start a nuclear conflict, which may just drag China and Russia into this unholy mess.
english teacher @ 11:
And how can the 5 Republican appointed activist judges on our Supreme Court trump the law of free and fair elections in this country effectively installing a Republican dictator? All this time we thought fascism only happened in someone elses country. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee, fascism is in the homeland too.
“Today no other country on earth is arguably more dangerous than Pakistan."
I'd say under BushCo we're a close second. In fact under Bush 71% of our allies think WE are the most dangerous on earth.
Perv Musharraf's a desperate housewife
You know what George is thinking don't you: Geez I didn't know Presidents could do that.
What does this mean for Ms. Bhutto, I wonder.
This is really wonderful news.
Musharraf and Pakistan (our allies) having been hiding Osama bin Laden with the help and cooperation of ISI and the US government for a never-ending war on terror (terror for US citizens).
Blackwater contractors can be sent by Bush to fight in Pakistan on the side of the democratic forces (Musharraf - haha). This will be good training for Blackwater before it comes back to the Bush dictatorship - and think the Americans are so willing to spend trillions for their own destruction (really sports and footballs are all that matters anyway. That is the Pakistanis don't sent back Blackwater contractors in body bags or as "crispy critters (term coined by Gulf War I pilots).
Condi's talking about respecting the constitution? What a joke. She and the rest of BushCo are just jealous that they've had to do it piecemeal so far.
That CNN clip was horrible all around. It was like "news for people who have never watched the news before." The guy was so excited to tell us things that any reasonable person already freaking knows. Maybe he just found out they have nukes or something. And then they both acted surprised that our "ally" is corrupt and power-mad, as if that's somehow a break in BushCo protocol. Perspective? Political analysis? Nah, just act like a startled little chipmunk and gush over how crazy it is that someone who gained power in a military coup would impose martial law.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7077392.stm
" Pakistan's army, deployed throughout the country's tribal regions to combat pro-Taleban militants, was losing ground to them.
The last straw, in this regard, came when at least 300 army troops surrendered to militants in South Waziristan.
Since then, the government and its security troops have all but lost control to the militants in the tribal areas.
The emboldened militants have subsequently moved forward into settled regions - Pakistani territory where normal law applies."
This is "good" news as well..
I don’t see Bush attacking Iran, if half of Pakistan is in Taliban hands. The whole Zionist/Neocon case is being undermined by this bigger struggle within the Muslim world.
These newscasters seem completely clueless about the severity of this crisis. Musharraf is getting thrown off the tiger. The left knew this shit was going to be going down a LONG time ago. The fuckers tried disarming the middle east with a sledgehammer. Now watch it blow up in their faces.
Looks like Musharraf is living Bush's wet dream.
Another country destroyed at the hands of Bush. American pressure to keep dictator Musharraf in power, and American pressure that is destabilizing that country. Are you happy neo-cons? I hope I have the pleasure of seeing you all burn in hell.
If you really want to see something disturbing, go over an read about this at Freepers. Musharraf has a whole right-wing extremist cheerleading section over there for what he has done.
Isn't Musharraf our ally. Didn't John Stewart do a segmant interviewing Musharraf trying to humanize this fucking totalitarian bastard. There you go pander to power and they turn around and make you look like a pandering moron.
This all has something to do with oil tied to the value of the dollar, and our ship is sinking fast.
oh,
i am gettin' so discusted with this
"he said, she said"
maybe world war 3
could be seen as
harsh words
Musharraf is not an elected president: he instated himself after a coup in the 90s, and I guess he fears the High court of pakistan which somehow is still relatively independent, to make the wrong decision. No worries, in a month or two everything will be fine, Musharraf will still be "president" and everyone outside Pakistan especially the US-government will grant him this title. And he will be again a partner in the WOT. Of course the people of pakistan may get involved and it may turn bloody and messy, but if the pakistani army still keeps backing Musharraf I guess there will not be a big change. Somehow its always the right wingers that like to have a dictator doing whatever they want.
My husband was deployed to Pakistan for 6 months during 2002.... (USAF)
I have been RAILING about this country since that time...that country is a MESS and completely dangerous !! (Randi's message board under Fancypants-UK & Americablog under Ginger-UK)
There are some scary people in that country! My husband had to deal with daily gunfire directed at the base....this was in 2002 !!
They have a 5 mile perimeter set up around the base for protection !!
One of the native drivers shot/killed his kid in front of the base personal to protest against their presence in the country!!!
SICK SICK SICK
AND they have NUKES !!
ARGH !!!!
I'm guessing 99% of the post here are from the US .......... come on people do your homework !!
CNN is to news as Bush is to democracy...
I am aghast at the shenanigans of this "news team"! What the hell is CNN or ANY media THINKING?!?
Nows the time for the Bush Administration to teach school children all over the country how to get under there desks ...put there heads between there legs... and kiss there ass's GOODBYE... Paranoia a registered trademark of the Bush clan. JCB
P.S. Don't forget the duct tape.
If it'll play in sophisticated Pakistan, it'll play in Bushburg, D.C.
In a world dominated by global financial interests that have no national allegiances, representative government of the people is a useful fiction that becomes a real liability when it challenges the shifting alliances of moneyed oligarchies that rule every developed society.
This is what bush would do if he could. Remember before he got into the whitehouse he said everything would be much easier if he were dictator?
Now think of those "Free Speech Zones" here in the US.
How about the tearing of the Constitution.
The Evangelical wingnuts having a seat at the table in the whitehouse.
Renditioning anyone?
How about a little torture?
Is this the America anyone remembers?
Bush wasted America on calling Korea, Iran and and Iraq the boogie men, while the real enemies, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan were ignored.
There has been NO diplomacy since this administration took office. But Americans and the media continue to be on the extreme stupid side, more interested in little lost blond girls, princess Di's death, Wrestling and the latest stupid reality show.
The man is a military dictator. But he's OUR military dictator -- so....
That pretty much says it all, doesn't it? Musharraf is rounding up secular progressives...
Get that man out of power -- yesterday!
Musharraf agreed to do a test run for Bush to see what will happen when Bush does the same in '08.
'Neil Diamond @ # 78'
" ..how Pakistan got Nuclear Weapons in the first place."
Shortly after 9/11 , I said 'Oh Shit' Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
Pakistan had a nuclear research reactor in 1965.
India exploded their first A bomb in 1974.
By 1987 Pakistan had uranium for a bomb.
In 1998 Pakistan exploded thier first A bomb.
Bush and company have one big time problem on their hands.
They like to use the military to solve problems and they
have dug themselves into one big hole.
Think of it:
Pakistan 162 million poeple Area 800,000 sq.kn.
Afghanistan 29 million people Area 647,000 sq.km
Iran 69 million people Area 1,648,000 sq. km
Iraq 22 million people Arae 437,000 sq. km
The Pentagon/Blackwater ( they are the same) are already
up to their ass in alligators in Iraq.
This is going to get very expensive for America .
Martial law in the name of terrorism. Get ready for that here boys and girls.
sphinx @ 40:
not sure i'm doing this correctly (the quote)...
When Bush first did the deal with Pakistan allowing overflights, etc... into Afghanistan, i started bitching...
What is the US doing validating the dictatorship of a man who had overthrown an elected President???
And then we speak of support for democracy???
Now we're telling Mussharref to allow democracy to flourish???
Didn't President Carter employ this very strategy when the populace of Iran started to rise up against the Shah???
We did not get a thank you from the Iranian people because we had created the situation... and we protected the Shah after the overthrow...
Will the result be much different when the people of Pakistan take back their country???
Do you suppose supporting Mussharref all these years will come back to haunt us???
Do you think there will be a hostage crises???
Do you think we will ever learn???
getalife @ 36:
Once again incompetence and greed trump effective foreign policy strategy.
We are so sehr upgefucked. :(
All I hope is that no one thinks that a "military strike" or "regime change" by the US is an option to take. I hear so many people say things like "we went to Iraq when we should've went to Pakistan!!" How about...we DON'T invade other countries and kill their people just because we're insecure.
All we should do is completely stop our support for Pakistan(and a slew of other countries) so that we are not involved anymore.
sulphurdunn @ 110:
Thank you! Not many who post on C&L seem to realize that events occurring in our world are not necessarily random and are usually orchestrated by those mentioned above who lurk in the background. These folks have been doing their dirty deeds for the past 6 decades or more - right in plain sight. From the NWO point of view (which include GHWB, Cheney, GWB, neo-cons, neo-liberals, etc.), bin Laden and his muslim terrorist buddies are just pawns on their world stage, used to get us in the West (Americans, Brits, etc) all riled up so they can use the military power of the US to gather up all the natural resources in the ME to be exploited by global corporations. Bin Laden (who is probably dead from kidney disease by now), and his terrorist friends, has been an operative of the US covert services for decades. He just made it easy for the American gov't to conveniently blame 9/11 (the New Pearl Harbor) on some entity not connected with the Pentagon and the US gov't.
Cheney and Bush et al, I think were hopping to avoid the messiness which is now transpiring, but when it became apparent that the Iraq debacle was not achieving their desired goals in their desired timeframe, they had to begin the ratchet up the violence in other ares of the ME. They are using Musharraf and his power grab as a stepping stone to foment more difficulties in the region. Then, probably sometime early next year, after Americans are really worried about the crap going on in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, etc., there will be another "terrorist attack" inside the US, the reason (excuse)
Cheney, Bush et al will use to trash what remains of our Constitution, cancel elections and declare martial law.
This would've all sounded like a fairy tale 7 years ago. We'll see very soon if it's real or imagined.
oh boy @ 12:
Agreed!
I couldn't watch these gumshoes torture an important story like this!
US media is a bloody joke.
Wait 'til Condi tells her Foreign Service staff they need to "surge" into Pakistan as well.
My questions are;
Peace
It's not Condi-tutional!
GOD, I hope Bush and Cheney aren't taking notes.
Soon to be: Bush imposes emergency rule in US suspends constitution
as Boston recovers from oil tanker IED explosion.
Who are these CNN anchors? It's like Romper Room. This woman should be waterboarded (but only if it's legal). "Why we should care"? This is how CNN frames the imposition of martial law?
I've been thinking. If Bush can't have his Iran War; maybe he is IN ON THIS to stir up some trouble.
You know all he wants is continual, non stop war to sell his hardware, his contracts, his oil, and to use the material command divisions to move contraband like drugs and weapons.
It's all CIA all the time and what makes you think not in Pakistan?
Musharraf is likening himself to Abraham Lincoln just like Bush did several months ago. How long do we believe the martial law will last? The Bush foreign policy of global decimation is really working. He has screwed up everything so badly that no one may be able to put the pieces together again.
This is the Chimp's and Cheney's wet dream: to become a Roman-style dictator in the open than in the dark with their cowardly signing statements. I'm sure our boy-king is calling Musharaff on the phone and asking him what it's like to suspend a constitution.
This is Bush's new Holocaust...or should I say HELL-AT-ALL-COST. JCB
Bush/Cheney worse nightmare as their suck up puppet Musharraf who stole the country by a coup now will most likely lose it to Al Qaeda. Yes turn around is fair game, this time Al Qaeda will have the Nukes given to Pakistan by Bush/Cheney. Yes Israel was given Nukes by the US too. Maybe Bush will now be able to sit down and talk the the new Leader of Pakistan Osama Bin Laden. Cheney already knows Osama really well as he was the one who recruited him in the first place. That plan that the GOP made out in 1996 didn't come out like they thought it would. Yes the US was to take control of the Middle East oil and Israel was to have the land. The Churches were to turn Muslims into Christian Evangelist to control the world. Yes Satan did his best but as usual God stepped in just in time. Notice the Taliban is doing very well in Afghanistan as the puppet Afghan President that Bush appointed was told NO and sent him home. Americans better how the Saudis don't take their 1 trillion dollars they have in the US Treasury.
No problemo. Bush suspended our constitution five years ago and look how great WE'RE doing!!!
Mauimom @ 132:
Yeah that's true. Didn't mAnn Coulter say things were going swimmingly?
IMPEACH.
Yeah, I'd like to second the motion about the tone and quality of the commentary here on CNN. Namely, it's pathetic.
Seriously, these two sound like a couple of gossip columnists talking about a spat between Brad and Angelina. The whereabouts of Bin Laden is "...a big ol' mystery"! LMAO!
Uh, McNeil/Lehrer or Huntley/Brinkley they are NOT.
Please Help @ 87:
TC @ 4:
If you would have asked me this 2 years ago I would have said this is EXACTLY what you can expect when emperor chimpy is asked to step down. Now I say there's only a 50% chance, and that's based on weather he and darth have invaded Iran by '08.
Realistically, you need to have the countries military back you up if you're going to change a constitutional democracy into a despotic regime. I'm pretty sure that after being used, abused and pissed on, our military would mutiny rather than support such a move by these thugs.
hmmm....well waddayaknow.
cnn has a story called
"Pakistan police clash with lawyers"
looks like martial law's not *all* bad. who'd a thunk?
Ruthless People @ 90:
You've got that right...
November 5 White House Press Briefing Dana Perino states:
"Last week President Bush directed Secretary Rice to call President Musharraf to explain our deep concern about the possibility of a state of emergency. Now that that has taken place, we are going to continue to urge them to end that, get back to civilian rule, that -- to declare that the elections that were scheduled for January are actually going to take place in January, on time."
So Bush somehow knew in advance that this was going to happen........hmmmmmmm.
Hmmmmmm.....one more from today's press briefing:
Question: Is it ever reasonable to restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism?
MS. PERINO: In our opinion, no.
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