Kristallnacht in Praque - Nazis go for jews

What do folks here think about The Real News?

I like the idea, and so far, I think I like the video segments.

I'e read little of Mr. Mailer's work.

Still I'd like to thank him for speaking out as a Veteran against Bush's war.

The conservative commentariat and right-wing bloggers are apoplectic at revelations that Hillary Clinton fielded questions planted by her staffers during recent campaign appearances. Confirming the worst stereotypes of the ever-calculating, risk-averse Clinton, Bush sycophant Michelle Malkin labeled Hillary a "crapweasel." And she should know. After all, from planted reporters and purchased pundits to invitation-only events in front of friends-only audiences, it is George W. Bush who perfected the art of the stage managed appearance designed to "catapult the propaganda."

For the details, see:
"Hillary's Planted Questions and George W. Bush, Master of Political Theater."

I just want to add....Don't be a Dick, Impeach him. :lol:

Angry One @ 7:

The conservative commentariat and right-wing bloggers are apoplectic at revelations that Hillary Clinton fielded questions planted by her staffers during recent campaign appearances. Confirming the worst stereotypes of the ever-calculating, risk-averse Clinton, Bush sycophant Michelle Malkin labeled Hillary a "crapweasel." And she should know. After all, from planted reporters and purchased pundits to invitation-only events in front of friends-only audiences, it is George W. Bush who perfected the art of the stage managed appearance designed to "catapult the propaganda."

For the details, see:
"Hillary's Planted Questions and George W. Bush, Master of Political Theater."

That over which they go apoplectic when they observe others engaging in it is always that in which they are the world's foremost practitioners.

Karen @ 3:

What do folks here think about The Real News?

I like the idea, and so far, I think I like the video segments.

Thanks for the link Karen. I bookmarked the site. User-funded news is a great idea. The network looks promising. They're actually reporting on journalism and journalists as well, something that is not permitted in the media cabal.

I recently viewed a map of fake news stories planted on local TV and in newspapers. It is so abundant it will probably exceed real news in the near future.

and lets keep reminding them........all the way to Nov 08.

Has anyone else noticed this about when Shrub goes to give a press conference:

He walks up with the other person(s) - e.g. Gonzales, John Boehner, Karl Rove etc. etc. - and he has this big smirk on his face? It's like you think he's actually whispering frat-boy style "jokes" under his breath to his little crony men?

I swear, I think he does that. It was most noticeable to me when he dealt with Gonzales. It looked to me like the both of them were having a hard time keeping from cracking up. Sometimes it looked like Bush was whispering things under his breath and Gonzales was having a hard time keeping a straight face.

You know - the kind of stuff you'd see from like 14 year old boys when the algebra teacher calls them out for passing notes or something...

That's the mentality we're dealing with.

I have appreciated The Real News.
On another note, someone sent me the link to this speech by Mayor Ross C. “Rocky” Anderson on October 27, 2007. It is by far the most powerful and impacting speech I have heard in years. I just hope more people start standing up and raising the alarm. It is good and on the money.

Several women from family and friends have never voted before. Several of them applied and got US citizenship and will vote in the primary and general elections. I think the female vote in the upcoming elections is going to be staggering. And by the looks of this small sample, this sucks for the regressives.
We can take back our country...spread the word VOTE

Preacher Boob, you actually believe those Fox Propaganda lies????

IMHO, 20 million extra woman voters voting for Kucinich could put him in office. I mean, women like him!!!! Look at his wife!!!! (Men like her) :-)

Certainly it would be great to have women President as often as men, in fact it would be for the better IMHO. I just don't feel that she's the best candidate out there. Saying that though, if she's the nominee, I'll vote for her as anything's better than a Republican't.

Can you imagine the attitudes and mindsets of the arrogant assh*le FEMA staffers who joined to form the fake reporter group for the fake news conference?

'C'mon, Charlie, the boss wants us to get together and fool the idiot american public again'.

Someone(s) must be fired for this travesty, preferably ALL who participated.

StirFry @ 21:

Several women from family and friends have never voted before. Several of them applied and got US citizenship and will vote in the primary and general elections. I think the female vote in the upcoming elections is going to be staggering. And by the looks of this small sample, this sucks for the regressives.
We can take back our country...spread the word VOTE

Things are shaping up to be interesting. Politics1 quoted a recent NBC/Wall Street Journal report as follows:

General distrust of government is not a new phenomenon; it has been the fuel for electoral upheaval for decades. But it's important to note that there may be evidence of a much angrier and anxious electorate than either party is preparing for in 2008. At our most recent briefing, one of the NBC/Wall Street Journal pollsters said 'this is the most angry and unstable of an electorate as I’ve seen in my career.' And that’s from Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who was around for 1992 and 1994, the last two times an angry electorate wreaked havoc in an election year. Remember it was 1992 when the strongest independent candidate in two generations -- Ross Perot -- got 19% of the vote, even after he proved less-than-stable on the question of readiness to be president. And 1994 was the year Democrats lost control of Congress for the first time in 50 years. Neither was an insignificant feat. So if the 2008 electorate is shaping up as more volatile than either of those two years, we may be in for a wild ride of historical proportions.

Karen @ 3:

What do folks here think about The Real News?

I like the idea, and so far, I think I like the video segments.

excellent. thanks for sharing.

The program El Baradei and Iran’s nuclear ambition is outstanding. Listen to Aijaz Ahmad carefully on why the press is ignoring the IAEA and why Blitzer is jackass. I think $10/month is worth it for this quality of journalism.

Excellent video.........................Real News is great no Commercials been a member for few months now.

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small doesn't serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We were born to manifest the glory of God within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." -- Nelson Mandela, 1994

Of course all women should vote! You mean they aren't? Tsk, tsk. Actually, the League of Women Voters (nonpartisan) has been around forever and used to hold the best presidental debate. However, serving as canaries in the coal mine, they issued this statement in 1988:

The League of Women Voters is withdrawing sponsorship of the presidential debates ... because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter. It has become clear to us that the candidates' organizations aim to add debates to their list of campaign-trail charades devoid of substance, spontaneity and answers to tough questions. The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public.

Yet hoodwinked we were, and remain so. Notice, this was begun by BOTH parties. Two decades ago they told you to sit down and shut up, and you did...

"Will you pledge that when you're president, Iran will not develop nukes?"
"Do you still believe that you saw a U.F.O.? "
-- Tim "Duh!" Russert 2007

"Show of hands, who has a gun in their house?" -- Bryan Williams 2007

"Senator Kerry, we have been fortunate that there have been no further terrorist attacks on American soil since 9/11. Why do you think this is? And if elected, what will you do to assure our safety?" -- some 'random' audience member 2004

"Do you believe the election of Senator Kerry on November the 2nd would increase the chances of the U.S. being hit by another 9/11-type terrorist attack?" -- Lehrer 2004

"Vice President Gore, on the environment. In your 1992 book you said, quote, "We must make the rescue of our environment the central organizing principle for civilization and there must be a wrenching transformation to save the planet." Do you still feel that way?" -- Lehrer 2000

"Should the people of the world look at the United States, Governor, and say, should they fear us, should they welcome our involvement, should they see us as a friend, everybody in the world?" -- Lehrer to Bush 2000

"Mr. President, Senator Dole said the other day that you practiced a photo-op foreign policy that has lessened the credibility of the United States throughout the world. Is he wrong about that?" -- Lehrer 1996

"Mr. President, what is your attitude toward Cuba and how Cuba should be treated?" -- Lehrer 1996

"Governor Clinton, how do you respond to the President on the -- you have two minutes -- on the question of experience? " -- Lehrer 1992

"President Bush, the question goes to you... And the question is this: Are there important issues of character separating you from these other two men?" -- Lehrer 1992

"Automatically, Dan Quayle would become the 41st President of the United States. What have you to say about that possibility?" -- Bernard Shaw 1988 to Bush

"Do you think that a president has to be likable to be an effective leader?" -- Warner to Dukakis 1988

============== League of Women Voters Debate:

"Mr. President, in the last few months it has seemed more and more that your policies in Central America were beginning to work. Yet just at this moment we are confronted with the extraordinary story of the C.I.A. guerrilla manual for the anti-Sandinista Contras, whom we are backing, which advocates not only assassinations of Sandinistas but the hiring of criminals to assassinate the guerrillas we are supporting in order to create martyrs. Is this not in effect our own state-supported terrorism?" -- to Reagan 1984

"Do you accept the conventional diplomatic wisdom that Eastern Europe is a Soviet sphere of influence, and if you do, what could a Mondale Administration realistically do to help the people of Eastern Europe achieve the human rights that were guaranteed to them as a result of the Helsinki accords?" -- to Mondale 1984

"Mr. President, you have often described the Soviet Union as a powerful evil empire intent on world domination. But this year, you have said, and I quote: "If they want to keep their Mickey Mouse system, that's O.K. with me." Which is it, Mr. President - Do you want to contain them within their present borders and perhaps try to reestablish detente or what goes for detente or do you really want to roll back their empire?" -- to Reagan 1984

Now, I did just kind of pull those at random, but I see a pattern here. Lehrer made a brief, half-hearted attempt in 2004 to get serious, but it didn't take. I hope I'm wrong, but I predict:

"Show me, through interpretive dance, what kind of tree you would be, if you were a tree." -- Bryan Williams 2008

"My favorite color is blue. I like blue. All the conservatives say they aren't against blue. So why do you hate the color blue so much Ms. Clinton? Also, is your liberalism disease genetic, or did you catch it while trolling the streets of Detroit for transvestite drug-dealer johns?" -- Tim Russert 2008

Can we get back to serious adult time for debates yet?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071111/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_courting_iowa

Can someone explain this, from the end of the article above on the Democratic Party's annual fundraising dinner:

"Anti-war activists were joined in a protest march by backers of former Sen. Mike Gravel and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who were not invited to the dinner because they don't have active campaign operations in the state."

Kucinich doesn't have active campaign operations, in Iowa? That would be very surprising, if true. Otherwise, it seems to me that it was just an effort by the Democratic leaders to marginalize Kucinich's candidacy even further.

> Otherwise, it seems to me that it was just an effort by the Democratic leaders to marginalize Kucinich’s candidacy even further.

It does seem to me that the "Know-nothing" movement has infiltrated the Dem leadership.

John, I notice you aren't linked to on the Blogroll over @ NovaM radio. Perhaps you should offer yourself up to Jeff Farious or Mike Malloy for interviews to correct that? ;-)

debaser71 @ 38:

What terrible music. A religious song? In a woman's ad? Insane. Religion oppresses women. Many of our great women movements leader have been nonbelievers. It's shameful. Way to turn off a large segment of folk.

Heh, well, I think it was supposed to be purely "patriotic," rather than explicitly religious, but you make a decent point.

I also found it somewhat curious that they chose a song that noted that "the good" were crowned with "brotherhood." ;)

Stanley Rosenthal @ 42:

Definitely, Karen. And who did that song titled 'Freeze Frame'? Maybe that was more about the paparazzi, though.

J. Geils Band.

And thank you for your vote. :)

Hey, it's an open-thread, we can also take it to the movies!

"I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"

Karen @ 36:

swarmofkillermonkeys,

That's a great list!

Watching the deterioration of political debates is nothing short of maddening. While they once had degenerated into joint press conferences, now they're practically self parodies.

At the risk of starting yet another debate between the Paul Bearers and the Liberscarians, watch Chris Wallace ask Ron Paul (to thundering applause, no less),

"You're basically saying we should take our marching orders from Al Qaeda?"

Honestly, if this is the trajectory for presidential debates, in 2016, they'll be more like the WWE. Senator Kick Ass will be dressed in some goofy outfit complete with a mask and cape, being interviewed by Giraldo, and screaming, "Yo, Governor Smith -- or should I say, Governor Shit? -- Your foreign policy is about to find out what a real Kick Ass foreign policy is!"

Thanks, I kind of got sucked into reading the transcripts (also here) to much of those debates. How in the hell did we let Bush take power again? Wow. The sheer stupidity (and wrongness if there were numbers involved) of his answers in 2000 boggles the mind. And the League of Women Voters really were more consistent, with great questions. I wonder if they'll resume after nominations this year? That would be a great internet campaign to "save the debate" or whatever.

Hopfully, Ron goes independent -- despite the crap I give all the Ronulans (yourself, too, if I recall). We easily forget that the dose of reality 'crazy' old Ross Perot set the agenda for the country because of his involvement in the debates. Now, Clinton and the Republican House will take all the credit, of course, but Ross is the one that single handedly made the budget deficit the main issue, and it bound Clinton to keep to his debate statements. And we were better for it, I think we can see now. We'd have to really fight to get him in the 3-way debates, however.

I think similarly (I'm not sure how Perot as POTUS would have actually been) it is the more general libertarian ideas that would hopefully guide this post-nomination debate. Not so much to help the candidate, but to help the country.

> (I’m not sure how Perot as POTUS would have actually been)

It would be like it is. A big SUCKing sound.

BTW: I watched the 30 Rock(erfeller Plaza) show that Gore did his cameo (that C&L linked to lastnight) earlier tonight, and it's better in context. Find it here -

http://www.nbc.com/30_Rock/video/episodes.shtml

Somehow, our poor, downtrodden, unrepresented women seem to get their way.

For example, during Katrina, a helicopter rescued ten men and a woman from the roof of an inundated building that was in the process of collapsing. All of them were dangling from a rope, and it was too great a load for the helicopter, it was about to crash. The survivors couldn't decide who would 'volunteer' to lighten the load.

Finally, the woman said,

'All my life, I've been doing for men. Washing, cleaning, cooking, caring for them when they're sick. So I guess I'll do it one more time, and let loose of this rope'.

And the men, unanimously, in grateful appreciation, applauded.....................

swar -
> Hehe. Brings back memories. ...

Unfortunately, too recent memories I assume. Not to make Perot instead of Thurman an ass out of you or me, of course. :-)

"In short, monarchy and succession have laid (not this or that kingdom only) but the world in blood and ashes. 'Tis a form of government which the word of God bears testimony against, and blood will attend it.
[...]
In England a King hath little more to do than to make war and give away places; which, in plain terms, is to empoverish the nation and set it together by the ears. A pretty business indeed for a man to be allowed eight hundred thousand sterling a year for, and worshipped into the bargain! Of more worth is one honest man to society, and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived." -- Thomas Paine, Common Sense
Why does that sound so familiar... hmm...

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 54:

"In short, monarchy and succession have laid (not this or that kingdom only) but the world in blood and ashes. 'Tis a form of government which the word of God bears testimony against, and blood will attend it.
[...]
In England a King hath little more to do than to make war and give away places; which, in plain terms, is to empoverish the nation and set it together by the ears. A pretty business indeed for a man to be allowed eight hundred thousand sterling a year for, and worshipped into the bargain! Of more worth is one honest man to society, and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived." -- Thomas Paine, Common Sense
Why does that sound so familiar... hmm...

because it is preennially relevant as well as appropriate to this country and these times... but you already knew that! :)

CoInTeLpRo @ 56:

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 54:
oops!
perennially! :)

another flash from buzz:
Turmoil, bent rules and signs of theft at a Baghdad armory help explain how the U.S. lost track of some 190,000 small arms meant for Iraq’s security forces. While the Pentagon has yet to offer its own accounting of how the weapons channel broke down, it is clear from extensive interviews that military expediency sometimes ran amok, the lines between legal and illegal were blurred and billions of dollars in arms were handed over to shoestring commands without significant oversight. 11/11

We Need Adult Leadership or We May be Doomed: "U.S. Concerned About Pakistan's Nuclear Limits: Lack of knowledge about Islamabad's weapons arsenal leaves White House with few good options to prevent it from falling into wrong hands." -buzzflash

Karen @ 3:

What do folks here think about The Real News?

I like the idea, and so far, I think I like the video segments.

Thank you Karen.....I'm in.

It is rememberance day in Canada, Vetrans day in the states,
they shall not grow old as we that are left grow old,
age shall not weary them,
nor the years condem them,
at the going down of the sun,
and in the morning,
WE SHALL REMEMBER THEM

I can give you all two reasons NOT to take part in this up-coming scam

(1) Clinton (D-Berlin) vs Whomever (R-Nuremberg) to determine the next overlord of American Empire.

Torture, spying, preventive detention, Unified Theory of Executive power are not trademarks of any democracies I know of.

tyree @ 70:

i remembered them when i was young ,i remembered thier faces thier voices the ones i liked and the ones i didnt , i thought id allways remember them all but the years roll on and the remembering grows dim, some ill never forget and hope some can remember me , most are dead now where ever they rest we once shared the same hardships the same likes and dislikes once we were shipmates and that can never change where ever they lay they have my respect ,allways!

I always take a minute to remember the fallen. I still get choked up about it too. I've never been in the military, or seen action. I am part of the charmed 5% on the planet.

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 57:

"In short, monarchy and succession have laid (not this or that kingdom only) but the world in blood and ashes. 'Tis a form of government which the word of God bears testimony against, and blood will attend it.
[...]
In England a King hath little more to do than to make war and give away places; which, in plain terms, is to empoverish the nation and set it together by the ears. A pretty business indeed for a man to be allowed eight hundred thousand sterling a year for, and worshipped into the bargain! Of more worth is one honest man to society, and in the sight of God, than all the crowned ruffians that ever lived." -- Thomas Paine, Common Sense
Why does that sound so familiar... hmm...

How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world.
(Shakespeare-- I believe, Portia, in Merchant of Venice??)

Keep up the good fight folks!!! Be true. Peace.

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 47:

Karen @ 36:

swarmofkillermonkeys,

That's a great list!

Watching the deterioration of political debates is nothing short of maddening. While they once had degenerated into joint press conferences, now they're practically self parodies.

At the risk of starting yet another debate between the Paul Bearers and the Liberscarians, watch Chris Wallace ask Ron Paul (to thundering applause, no less),

"You're basically saying we should take our marching orders from Al Qaeda?"

Honestly, if this is the trajectory for presidential debates, in 2016, they'll be more like the WWE. Senator Kick Ass will be dressed in some goofy outfit complete with a mask and cape, being interviewed by Giraldo, and screaming, "Yo, Governor Smith -- or should I say, Governor Shit? -- Your foreign policy is about to find out what a real Kick Ass foreign policy is!"

Thanks, I kind of got sucked into reading the transcripts (also here) to much of those debates. How in the hell did we let Bush take power again? Wow. The sheer stupidity (and wrongness if there were numbers involved) of his answers in 2000 boggles the mind. And the League of Women Voters really were more consistent, with great questions. I wonder if they'll resume after nominations this year? That would be a great internet campaign to "save the debate" or whatever.

Hopfully, Ron goes independent -- despite the crap I give all the Ronulans (yourself, too, if I recall). We easily forget that the dose of reality 'crazy' old Ross Perot set the agenda for the country because of his involvement in the debates. Now, Clinton and the Republican House will take all the credit, of course, but Ross is the one that single handedly made the budget deficit the main issue, and it bound Clinton to keep to his debate statements. And we were better for it, I think we can see now. We'd have to really fight to get him in the 3-way debates, however.

I think similarly (I'm not sure how Perot as POTUS would have actually been) it is the more general libertarian ideas that would hopefully guide this post-nomination debate. Not so much to help the candidate, but to help the country.

There's no way in hell Ron Paul will "set the agenda" this time around. He's being systematically ignored. It's like he's speaking in a vacuum in the debates. You think Brian Williams is going to ask the candidates whether they think abolishing the Federal Reserve is a good idea or not? No. The MSM has a list of taboo issues--Ron Paul will raise them, but they are never discussed at all in the media, nor brought up at the debates. Then the media will report on Ron Paul's surging popularity and gape like a retarded child: "HOW did this guy raise so much money, when OUR polls say he doesn't exist and WE haven't told anybody he's going to be president?" It's like, when he talks, they hear Charlie Brown's teacher. Despite people's hopes that he will "raise the discourse" of the debates, the MSM has refused to allow the discourse to be raised. The debates are such an obscene joke--they are staged through and through.

Wag @ 76:

To all the people who are unsure as to what caused our bubble in the mortgage industry, Ron Paul says it perfectly as he schools the current Fed chief Ben Bernanke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwvlDJgJbM&eurl=http://www.informationli...

Let this be a lesson to everyone who wants to know the REAL causes for inflation, bubbles, depressions, and everything else.

I am not the only one who understands this dilemma, there are others who do as well, but they are silenced and ignored. They are ignored until the problems of inflation get so big as to warrant action that exactly FOLLOWS those were silenced/ignored in the first place.

brilliant piece!