FNS: Hume says Democrats want to lose the war
By John Amato Saturday Nov 17, 2007 2:09pm
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Hume: The American people don't like the Iraq war, probably never will, but they're not rooting for us to lose. They don't seem invested in our losing the way the Democrats so often do.
Typical blather from Brit Hume on the Iraq war via FNS. The warmongers treat war like it's a college football game. The American people want us out of Iraq....PollingReport:
NBC/WSJ poll: 59% want withdraw of most troops by 2009. ABC/WaPo: 63% say the war wasn't worth it...He defeats his own talking points because their is no political reconciliation...
There has been no political progress in Iraq and that was the rationale for "the surge." Charles Krauthammer admits this point. Juan Cole has a round up of the violence in Iraq...35 decomposed bodies were found in Baghdad Saturday...
Think Progress has more...
On Fox News Sunday this morning, Brit Hume attacked Senate Democrats for “setting a goal that all U.S. combat soldiers withdraw from Iraq by December 15, 2008,” claiming that they have an “aura of unreality” because they’re trying “to force troop withdrawals, impervious to the fact that troop withdrawals have already begun”...read on
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Prove to me Hume is more than digitaly pixalated feces catapulted from the Whitehouse.
So does this mean these guys are dropping their "leftist press is not reporting the good progress in Iraq" meme?
Another bushshill of neocon propaganda from FUX News.
brit hume is synonymous to douche bag with me.
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What War?!!
This 'aint a "war"!
It's a freaking OCCUPATION!!
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Hume: The American people don’t like the Iraq war, probably never will, but they’re not rooting for us to lose. They don’t seem invested in our losing the way the Democrats so often do.
Interesting. The "American People" and "Democrats" as separate entities. Atwater would be proud you Brit.
It looks to me as though you didn't like the Vietnam War - at least you never served the country by rushing down to enlist. Oh wait, you and Darth had more important things to do.
I wonder if Hume's twisted spirit was born in the aftermath of his son's suicide, or before? He is a deeply embittered and hateful man.
Seems that the only ones WHO DO NOT GET THE REALITY about the OCCUPATION OF IRAQ, is the BUSH/CHENEY/LIEBERMAN CABAL, their enablers and fellow travelers.
Even the ISRAELIS KNOW THE TRUTH and copper their bets accordingly.
Fox, i.e., MURDOCK & COMPANY, are stuck will "doubling down" or they are gonna lose their rapacious ass!
1. Irresponsible Media: Parroting Ticking Time Bomb
I'm very flabbergasted. This is more of the "Oh, look . . .there's going to be a backlash." Utter non-sense. This non-sense Hume is spewing forth is more non-sense like the ticking time bomb scenario: Attempting to get people to react without thinking. Please encourage your friends to challenge this non-sense. Thank you. Go after the people making the accusations, not the target of those accusations.
2. Burden of Proof On Hume
Next time someone like Hume says, "The DNC want to lose the war," throw it back on him: Where's his evidence? Had it not been the stupidity of the media -- including Hume -- in the run up to the war, the media would not have been complicit with this illegal warfare, and absurd deployment which exceeds US resource capability. The media was silent on this; and the GOP has been rubber stamping 2001-2006. Perhaps if Hume can "defend" his allegedly reckless statement, maybe we can have a conversation about why he's been quiet about the GOP reckless leadership since 2001.
3. President's "Plans" Outstrips GOP Resources Provided
The record is clear: 2001-2006, the GOP controlled the Congress, but failed to provide the resources. Has nothing to do with what the DNC did or didn't do; it was the GOP that failed to put in place the resources to do the job. The President's job is to responsibly use the available resources that the GOP gave him.
4. Hume's Statement: Same Non-sense As "The Backlash"
If there is any claim that there is going to be a "backlash" against the DNC -- for whatever reason -- please, encourage that person to identify (a) the group and (b) what they're going to do. The DNC Membership isn't going to "backlash" against the DNC for standing up; and the GOP Membership has already decided to be complicit with stupidity. They're not going to change.
Shit Fume has his head up his ass. That's why so much shit comes out of his mouth.
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And may I add...
It's about time the Dems start calling this an "OCCUPATION". An "Illegal" one at that. But, of course, that is where the difference between the majority of Dems and Republicans melt into one union for American hegemony.
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I cannot understand why Juan is allowed to speak on Ailes’ airwaves! As Wallace utters near the end “alright alright we’ve heard this all before”, there can be no room for the truth on Fixed news.
I don’t know how many of you have had a chance to see Redacted yet, but you should. I’ve got mixed feelings about much of it, particularly the re use of rape ala Casualties of War as the grounding metaphor for loss of innocence via evil american animus, but the merits out way the downside. It’s enraging in a time of outrage fatigue, and there is a difference. Sort of Sex War and Videotape meets Joseph Heller.
As Progressives we are going to have to face some inconvenient facts. Two that come to mind today are:
1) The war will go on in one form or another for decades. The Sunni Shī‘a rift is 13 centuries old, so our behavior is going to inspire violence long after we all gone and later generations learn to love to hate our barbaric deeds.
2) Kucinich is right. The lack of a congressional spine to Impeach and Convict the executives will result in a wider and infinitely more devastating conflict.
Satan awaits the arrival of his minions! All hail Dick and his shrubpuppet.
Brit Hume always gets his twist in, doesn't he. No, the Dems don't want to lost the "Iraq mess" (can't legitimize it as a war), but Dems do not want Bush to get credit for winning. There is no way to win the mess, only hope and pray (if you will) that it will fade into the sunset and release our captive military. Winning anything is when Iraq is restored as a country.
Most insidious is the implication that Democrats are NOT American people. I do not think this is necessarily an accident.
Hume. We lost before we started. What a moron.
Exactly ex-Humed. All the money and lives are irrelevant as long as we win. Hell, George Steinbrenner would be the ideal president for Hume.
Manning the lifeboats doesn't mean you want the ship to sink. It means ship is going to sink -- with you or without you.
But you keep baling, Britt.
Harumph....
The democrats should be proud that they want the US government to lose the war in Iraq. The war is illegal, it wasn't declared, the American people were lied to in order to get them on board, and the American soldiers torture people....
Hmmmmm...I think it's better to want the government to lose this one rather than win it. For if they win it, then it sets a precedent that initiating wars can be beneficial in the long term, because then future politicians will tel the American people that undeclared, illegal, lies filled wars have succeeded in the past (Iraq), so they can succeed again. All they would have to do is do the same things as in the run up to the Iraq war (lie, lie, lie).
Damn, if people were patriotic in the sense of loving liberty, they should basically root for the country that was invaded illegally to win. Treason? No. For the war itself is treasonous. Thus treason is ok according to the government, as long as they are the only ones being treasonous. But why should the people accept that only certain people are allowed to be treasonous? Shouldn't laws be applicable to everybody if it is a good law? If it only applies to some and not others, that law is bad. Thus treason should not even be a illegal anymore, for those who declaring treason illegal are treasonous themselves. If the lawmakers are breaking their own laws, then they are no longer laws for humanity. They become open season. The government cannot possibly expect to get away with treason whilst making treason illegal for the people, for then it would set yet another precedent that laws don't need to apply to everyone. The more this occurs, the more fascist this nation becomes.
If these neo-con yahoos want to call the democrats treasonous for wanting the neo-con lead US government to lose the war in Iraq, then the neo-cons have to look in the mirror, for they have committed high treason since they came into power. The list of offences they made is huge. Each one of the offences are treasonous in themselves, let alone the whole list taken together, which would under more rational times of this country result in many a hanging. But our society has let the criminals take over. They have taken over because this society has lost its ability to reason. If we still had reason as in the enlightenment, we would be able to see through all the malfeasances and errors in logic, and the irrational would not have been able to gain power. But they did, and we have only ourselves to blame. The more we blame others, the more we let ourselves off freely. Think about how much you did to stop the lies and errors from spreading. I personally did not do enough so I blame myself as well as others.
So he's making a distinction between "the American people" and "the democrats?!" Boo him off the stage.
hell, in a sense, he could be right. win/lose who knows what winning is anyway. Is winning destroying this country any more than we already have. is winning killing more or all of the iraquis? is winning devastating the infrastructure of a country that we have invaded. is winning taking a perceived "third world" country to the brink of destruction because we thought they had wmd's. or because we wanted to free them or "give" them democracy. If you can explain what "winning" is, perhaps i could support winning. as it is i support bringing them home today and impeachment.
So Brit Hume, "unbiased" anchor of Faux News, takes a strong partisan stance.
When will we hear Juan Williams accuse Brit Hume of not being a proper journalist?
The suspense of watching Hume's face slide down the front of his thick skull is killing me! When will it finally slip off and hit the floor? It's like waiting for a sneeze that never comes.
A. It is NOT a war, it is an illegal OCCUPATION
B. There is no winning or losing involved any longer, it was lost a long time ago. Now the only option is withdrawal.
C. There was no insurgence or terrorist activity in Iraq until Bush invaded the country. The insurgency and terrorist presence is a direct result of the Bush mis-Administrations reckless and politically self-serving invasion and occupation.
Many people, not just Fox News viewers, don’t fully understand the need for impeachment of Cheney and then Bush.
I am writing a series of three articles that put forward the reality of that need in terms of world opinion, the crimes of this administration, and ultimately the danger of allowing this kind of behavior to continue unchecked.
This is the first.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/so-impeachment-will-make-the-...
Brit Hume emits shit fumes.
Talk about a lack of professional dignity.
-GSD
Snit Fume can go on blathering about Dems all he wants, but 5 will get you 10 there'll be one in the White House come January, 2009. I think you can measure a person's happiness quotient by how often they smile. Snit never does, although, like fellow traveler (read: crypto-fascist) and panel buddy Shrill Pistol, Fume does manage a smirk. The most calculatedly cynical of these "snarling smiles" are reserved for Juan Williams, the only voice of sanity on the Chris Wallass show. I am beginning to think that smirks are endemic to neocons and a character trait that is de rigueur on Fox Noise, certainly a prerequisite to hiring for the pundit programs (unless, of course, you're the token liberal, like Williams or Colmes. Fred Barnes won't allow even a token lib on his program, he's so autocratic and tight-assed.) Now, how many of you recall that during the debates prior to the 2000 election and all through Arbusto's early days in the White House, the most commonly noted characteristic of the village idiot of Pennsylvania Avenue noted by the press was his smirk? I'm tellin' you, you can't be a good member of the Republic Party unless you have a good smirk.
Marcus Aurelius @ 21:
We can only hope it has calcified in this position. Like stalactites. Certainly no face muscles will be able to halt the process.
Can't anyone get a bill through Congress requiring any cable propaganda news program like Fox to be required to show a disclaimer saying they aren't actually a legitimate news show every 5 minutes or so...? Sort of like the warning label on cigarettes. At least a big disclaimer like the infomercials use PLEASE !!
These reichwingers are trying to have things WAY too many ways. According to them the surge was a success. So why are we still there, and trying to send more money?
According to Yahoo news attacks on US forces are down 50% from last summer. But what about this time last year? The reichwingers say there were more casualties because of the surge. So the true test of success would be not from the beginning of the surge but before then.
All it'll take is one more attack on a mosque, or one more mass grave to be found to tear the scab right off this wound.
Know why the Repubs created Fox "News"?
It's because they cannot compete.
Whenever their ideals have to compete with other ideals, Repubs always lose.
This is why every single Repub politician campaigns on lies, with a phony facade/veneer, because they know that their true ideals are repulsive to the majority of Americans.
It’s the same thing with Fox “News”. The crazy loons at Fox “News” couldn’t cut it at any other network, especially if they spouted their crazy right wing rhetoric. So they have to create their own shitty “news” network, which is equally as phony as a Repub politician. The whole entire Repub right wing movement is a house of cards built on lies.
The Repubs like to crow about Fox “News” ratings (which are in constant decline). But the truth is that just like there is roughly about 24% of these crazy right wing Repubs in our country, that is the percentage of Americans that chose to watch that right wing crapfest “news” channel when you add up the ratings of all the news shows.
Right wing Repubs cannot compete, so they create their own little perverted, parallel universe, biult on nothing but lies.
Sweet Jesus, if there is any group reliant on an on going, never ending struggle, (i.e. losing) be it the Iraq war, or the whole war on terrr, its the rethuglican McScare Me Party.
Brit Hume, Hannity et al = bald faced liar. End of argument and reason to stop posting what they have to say . None of it is sane, relevant or "fair and balanced". Leave them to the southern seniors dementia crowd .
Wait just a doggone minute...I thought defeat is victory....At least that is what we've been told.
Words.
I dedicate "It's the Same Old Song" by the Four Tops to Hume and the rest of the Foxtards.
Yes, I a Democrat and a soldier, am so invested in losing in Iraq that I did something Brit Hume would never do. I served for a year in Iraq.
What a sorry excuse for a journalist.
Hume: The American people don’t like the Iraq war, probably never will, but they’re not rooting for us to lose. They don’t seem invested in our losing the way the Democrats so often do.
So, according to Brit A-hole Hume Democrats are not American people. And please Brit, tell us what the hell IS a US "victory" in Iraq?
I'm so disgusted with the state of our country right now I could just scream. And the sickest thing is, the Bush supporters still don't get it. They do NOT even understand the mess that has been made. It's just sickening. And the corporate cabal that OWNS our country isn't even telling us the truth anymore. We really are moving closer to fascism everyday.
This has never been a war...it is an occupation by thugs in a fascist crime family and Hume is a mouthpiece who happens to work for a phoney cable network spewing phoney news. All idiots who even watch him are warmongering, chickenshit, chickenhawk cowards who are supporting the military industrial complex take over of our government.
I have made this comment before, in similar threads, and I am going to continue to make it.
No one wants the U.S. to lose in Iraq? Well, I want us to lose.
When a nation uses the largest military machine in the world to commit an act of aggression against a weak opponent, based on endless lies, I want that nation to lose. When a nation flouts every norm of international law and common human decency, to seize what it wants by force, I want that nation to lose. I want torturers to lose. I want governments that imprison people without trial and without rights to lose. I want governments that rule by violence and deceit to lose.
Don't you? If you don't, what the hell is wrong with you?
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I've been wondering where to get actual figures on cable ratings. When news ratings are reported it's generally just the broadcast networks. Even Katie Couric probably kicks FAUX cable new's ass.
They can crow all day about their ratings, but how do you verify?
STOP George @ 5:
ysbaddaden @ 38:
Who knows...Murdoch tried to steamroller Nielsen a few years back...with a fake 'grass roots' organisation, 'Don't Count Us Out.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/jun/15/rupertmurdoch.broadcasting
Does a thief win when he grabs the diamonds in the museum and think he gets away with it? Karma is waiting, there is no win when you commit a crime.
With the dollar sinking, the reason for taking Saddam out in the first place, karma is arriving faster than the neocons and their apologists ever imagined.
if b hume suddenly died on the chair he sits, the his corpse would make more intelligent remarks than he does now. the gop pundits are like a daisy chain of butt feeders with spoons, they always find an endless supply of bs when they bend over in front of each other. it's like a supercolider of dung.
Where the hell has Hume been? We lost the Iraq war the day we invaded. This is what happens when a country invades another sovereign nation. It always was and always will be a lost cause. Now Brit, get your f**kin ass over there and start looking for IEDs. Our military needs your protection in order to win this lost cause.
connies are like children in wrinkly skinned bodies
STOP George @ 11:
Governor Bill Richardson refers to this illegal war with Iraq as an occupation of Iraq. That's one of the reasons why I support Bill Richardson for President in 2008.
The Bush Crime Family is one huge cookie of misfortune. In order to justify any of their unlawful actions, they always end with "in a time of war."
Congress must exercise its responsibility and vote to deny and reverse the 2002 "war authorization" resolution, under colour of which Bush has assumed war powers. The power to create a standing army vests in the Congress, and only in time of war is the president able to exercise the power of Commander-in-Chief. Congress can withdraw or regulate authority for the standing army or for war. No war, no Commander-in-Chief, no matter how Bush postures.
Remove these powers and the Bush administration will fall like a deck of cards for they have managed to hide behind this rhetoric for far too long.
It's not like they'd admit they lost anyway, so why are they acting like it makes a difference?
Joementum @ 17:
That's a perfect analogy.
What Brit fails to mention is that the Republicans absolutely do not want us out of Iraq, because we need to be in Iraq and Afghanistan if we're going to make any kind of serious strike against Iran.
Any pretension of bringing democracy to Iraq is a pipe dream.
Carl from L.A. @ 37:
Amen. There is no justice in the world if the people responsible for this holocaust are not brought to trial. It will be the end of the US.
Straight Shooter @ 48:
neverending war is the goal of the Corperations. Arms dealers, 'News' corperations,oil magnates, and stockholders of the above. Even a stupid hippie like Me can 'get' that concept.
Brit Hume is a witch, but he won't admit it unless he's waterboarded.
Hume says 'the democrats want 'us' to loose the war'. Ummmm.... OK Who is "us' ? what does 'loosing' mean. AND what 'war'? I keep on saying IF You want to 'win' the war,send everyone home and Nobody will shoot at You.
Isn't it kind of creepy that the FAUX News group EVERY week is Williams, Liasson, Hume, Kristol? Talk about information management. If you know the pundits THAT well, I guess you can anticipate what they're going to say. I mean, not that many of these talking heads differ much, but the total homogeneity of the FAUX line-up is something of a microcosm.
Hey Brit, you dumb mother f'ers should not have started a war you couldn't win on Bozo's watch. But don't worry too much, if Hillary or Rudy wins, it will be war as usual. So fuck you....
Vis-a-vis my remarks about smirks on Fox Noise Sunday (see Comment 25 above), I spoke before I actually saw this weekend's program. I couldn't figure out why some of you brought up Charles (Sieg Heil!) Krauthammer. Well, I am watching the show right now (is it broadcast more than once?) and there was ol' Charles, poker faced until Williams says something complimentary about John Edwards, to which -- you guessed it -- Herr Krauthammer flashed a nasty smirk Juan's way. Told ya so!
There is no war. We are occupying Iraq. There's lots of violence, but it's not a war. There is no winning. Iraq is a money pit, just what the neocons ordered. Our military is being used to serve the oil business, perpetuating destruction that's justified by calling it a war. Bush subverts the Constitution in the name of "the war." We need to stop being afraid. Democrats in Congress need to stop being afraid.
You guys ever hear the Soviet joke about the Russian dictator who was stuck on a broken-down train?
His solution (and the joke's punchline): "Let's pull the shades, close our eyes, and just pretend the train is moving."
Fox News gets dangerously close to that joke (and a joke) with each passing day. Completely "divorced from reality" (thanks Jeffy), and just saying the same things over and over.
This is news for people who only wanna believe the things they want to be true.
And considering the world we live in, compared to the pre-Internet world that the Soviets lived in, it's much more fucking scary.
Maybe somebody can help me.
What is winning in Iraq?
Every benchmark the Bush Adminstration seems to have been met.
I think what took me back was when Chris Wallace asked forgiveness from Huckabee.
He asked to be pardoned for using a dirty word
That dirty word he explained is Clintonesque!!!!
Unbelievable.
Who watches this crap, do any of these ass hats know anything about what they are talking about? This is so sad.
How the hell do people as completely stupid and unaware as Hume get air time??? Oh that's right - FNS. The FCC really needs to pull their license.
Hume is so out of touch with reality, the American people, and the world to even speak competently about matters.
Lose the war....or lose the country. One or the other or both.
just proves that Hume has an unlimited supply of shit to pull out of his ass. you'd think that, after awhile, even he would get sick of the stench.
Hey Asswipe Hume- newsflash. Democrats are part of "the American people". God, I get so pissed when these highly paid nutjobs spout this garbage on television, an no one calls them on it.
Typical of lying, scumbag warmongers, Hume ignores the fact the United States WON Bush's undeclared, ilegal and immoral war against the government of Iraq. We destroyed its military, ejected its leaders from power, thrashed its entire government and infrastructure, murdered the vicious tyrant Saddam Hussein and his two sociopathic sons, and killed 655,000 Iraqis including 36,000 infants and children (making Bush the champion killer over Hussein).
At that level of complete destruction of the "enemy," most armies march back home. But not the war criminal Bush and the cowardly, immoral Republicans and other traitors who support that murderous pig. Instead, they use torture, murder, and fear to acheive their desire to completely subjugate the Iraqi people, to break their will, and to turn them into slaves for the corporate fascists.
Guess what, Bush? It won't work. You lost that effort the day you attacked and invaded Iraq. You and your evil empire will NOT bend the Iraqis to your will and you will not be allowed to destroy the United States of America. Your time is up, and you and your kind will pay for your crimes; justice will prevail.
Brit Hume is a Murdoch butt boy.
Another piece of Journalistic garbage. It floors me how people actually get their information from this place. Sad and scary
http://hyerstandard.blogspot.com/
"There is no military solution to a problem like that in Iraq, to the insurgency of Iraq,"
Gen. Petraeus
"They don't seem invested in our losing the way the Democrats so often do."
Democrats invested in losing the war? Why that sounds like a certain Fox News media clown should be arrested and waterboarded for making such treasonous comments. This is America Mr. Hume. Love it or leave it.
sulphurdunn @ 69:
What, has he lost faith in GENOCIDE?
Keep going, General -- unlikely you will be hanged for your crimes, though we are going to keep on trying.
We lost the war when there wasn't any justification for it. No WMD, no War. Everything after that realization is irrelevant.
Brit Hume just wants the parents of all the soldiers needlessly killed in this needless war to feel the emptiness and pain of not having their child around anymore, as he does (yes, his son died about 10 yrs ago). who cares, yes i said it and how callous. but really this is nothing compared to the uncaring and remorseless words that hume and his neocon ilk have been spewing since the iraq fiasco started in 03. what a wretch.
I wonder if poor Juan Williams reads this blog. If you do Juan, NOW you can see what we've been trying to tell you and the rest of the trolls...that these bat shit crazy noecons are dillusional.
I think Juan's going to find his pink slip after another bout or two like this. He just doesn't play their dance and song bullshit like he's supposed to. It's funny...but it won't last.
This panel is a collection of some of the most insane buttheads the neocons can scrape together. I get the impression "the goals" keep changing. Now it's....stop the killing at any price...even if you have to kill them to stop the killing. That's "success". I'm really confused. I think their dumb ass sheep are just as confused, because they are making absolutely NO sense at all. They can't even lie good anymore. Maybe bor was right...."the spin stops there"...cause they have spun it so long and hard, it has melted in to total bullshit in front of their sheeps' eyes.
Just how old is this old bastard anyhow?. Will someone tell him that we already lost the war, the minute we lied to the world about the reasons we are in it in the first place.
We want his ass to lay off those high paid contractors anyhow so party of the work is in motion.
Someone need to kick these fools in the ass for lying and screwing up this country like they have.
How very sick this is to have four against one voice that is the only one that makes any kind of sense and he just started talking like he has any sense because he got tired of getting blasted by people of color and the democrats for his stupid roll in this lying scum ball net work.
LongTooth @ 7:
I agree, he seems to be one sick puppy. A completely joy-less prick. If he wasn't such an a-hole, I would almost feel sorry for him. And the same goes for all the other sociopaths employed in that human refuse pile, know as Fox news.
BRealistic @ 28:
And on the radio too! If the idiots who listen to this crap understood what was actually going on (Orwell must be laughing his ass off), the repukes would be relegated to an irrelevant 20% party staus in this country.
OxyCon @ 30:
Well said!
Neocon: You don't want victory in Iraq!
Liberal: How can I want something we have already have?
Neocon: What?!
Liberal: Our troops have achieved every one of the goals assigned to them when the war began. Victory is ours! Time to bring them home.
Neocon: We can't leave now! They need us!
Liberal: They don't need us. The surge worked. They're rebuilding from the ground up. Our leader tells us so. Do you doubt our leader?
Neocon: Yes! I mean no! gibber....gibber....gibber...droooooool
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 82:
A well-written take-down of the network's disgraceful propagandizing, however it does raise up that age-old philosophical debate: What's worse? A husband who beats his wife? Or the wife that takes it?
Fox News didn't invent its high viewership out of the thin air. It's the people in this country that don't give a shit; they're the ones politicians should fear the most, because you can have them believe ANYTHING.
It's the ones who don't want to think and need to be told what to think. "Saddam planned 9/11? Sure! Sounds about right!" And they all come running to Fox News in droves, letting some fake news network tell them what to think and believe.
On youtube, I watched this Science professor demonstrate, on a mouse-trap (I'm not kidding), how scientifically baseless intelligent design is. His argument was so goddamned well-researched, and so devastatingly executed, but I can watch it go RIGHT over the heads over the lemmings in this country who don't wanna use their heads.
THAT'S why they're watching Fox News in record numbers. The right-wingers make it short, simple, give their wretched propaganda catchy and leading names ("Intelligent Design", "Terrorist Surveillance", "Enhanced Interrogation"), and weave their non-arguments into soundbites: "Science professors say we're monkeys! We ARE NOT monkeys!"
Thus all the support for this utterly baseless and useless faux-science (i.e. creationism in disguise), and all the other Bush-sponsored slogans and empty rhetoric that are slowly erasing the freedoms we used to cherish.
Hume, the republicans have already lost the war, as they deserve, since they began this act of illegal, amoral, war of aggression.
The Dems just want to admit it and get the hell out instead of committing suicide with more of our troops and collateral Iraqis.
Why don't you get your fat ass over there and hold the line as we pull out? Become the 'towel boy' for the 'pull-out' of the rape of Iraq.
More words of wisdom from Bo-winkle J. Moose. I stopped watching Fox. It used to be funny but now its pathetic. And poor Juan Williams. They have him and Alan Colmes there to counterbalance the Neo-cons with weak arguments just to say they are fair and balance.
I just laugh at these truely desperate Neo-cons on Faux Noise spitting and blathering their false lies and troop death marches when everything they're saying the vast majority of Americans don't agree with.
Yes, very true, the Dems want to lose the war if only to prove how right there are. It is not true the surge is not working, it is working, It is true that those who are fighting in Irag are doing so justifiably. There is no draft, people have volunteered. Those who are fighting that premise should not have signed up in the first place. "Could have, would have, should have" Too little too late. This is a war, baby, better get used to it.
War was never declared.
They're still floundering around in the Whore House trying to justify their adventurism when WMD's weren't found.
Straight Shooter @ 49:
Exhaust or crack?
The Iraqi people have learned a valuable lesson in "Democracy", the will of the majority means nothing. 80% of them want the Coalition out of Iraq, and are ignored. ~75% of Americans want us out of Iraq, and are ignored. Isn't Democracy grand?
Jack Says:There is no draft, people have volunteered. Those who are fighting that premise should not have signed up in the first place.
Are you telling me that all these people signed up prior to knowing about this invasion? I don't know what planet you are from but most people signed up because the needed the money due to the fact that their current jobs failed to meet their financial needs. So they joined the Guards and got stuck in this mess. Several months ago the Young Republicans had a convention in Virginia outside DC. The keep making the statement that we are fighting over there so we don't have to fight over here. The interviewer, who posed as a fellow chicken hawk, asked why they did not join. They reponded by saying they had medical issues or were in school. The interview was subsequently throwned out.
The surge is only working as far as less soldiers are dying. The question is, how long many tours of duty must these "Volunteer" solders serve? Lets bring back the draft and see how long this war would last then.
greg @ 92:
Those signing up should read the BIG PRINT. No matter what the individual wants, or thinks they'll get out of their service, they are still trained, and obligated to fight if ordered.
How long will this war last? Let's see:
We've been in Europe more than 60 years, in Japan more than 60 years, South Korea more than 50 years.
Our armed forces must remain in Iraq for ??? years? Pick a number between 1 and 60, so far.
These simple minded arguments reveal how a Republican mind works. to a Democrat the idea that we want our military to lose is so repellent that it barely deserves any comment at all. But this is exactly how a Ratpublican thinks and operates - it is always us vs. them- so any victory for a Democrat represents a loss for them. This goes back to 1980 (and probably further) when the reich wingnuts were actively working behind the scenes to delay the release of the hostages in Iran. Of course, back then to suggest such a thing would unleash a torrent of self righteous indignation, but today, it's pretty much been proven that the right used our own people as pawns just to push their criminal agenda into high gear. A quarter century later we're still suffering from our pigheaded foreign policies and the Riech Wings willingness to use our men as pawns.
Uh, am I wrong, or did Hume differentiate between "the American People" and Democrats in that quote ? Does this mean that Fox News is now pushing the premise that Democrats aren't even Americans? I thought I was an American...I mean, both of my parents were born here. I pay taxes, vote, sent a kid off to the Army. Well, I guess if I'm a Democrat, I've just been kidding myself all these years.
Thanks, Brit, Fox, for pointing that out to me.
Jack @ 88:
You do realize that we could have bought Iraq for what this war has cost us. And it will take years to restore our prestige in the world. It's squandered over this mess.
And the reason there is no draft is because this war would have become a lot more unpopular a lot sooner if all the patriotic souls around the country, like yourself, who went out and bought those cute ribbons for their SUVs to show their support of the troops had been forced to interrupt their children's lives to send them into danger. No, they let some poor guys and girls who had signed up for reserve duty go back 2, 3 or 4 times to do the dirty work. And a lot of those people couldn't get out of their commitments. I would hardly call that a joyous bunch of volunteers.
Also, do you know how the services are presently trying to meet their recruitment numbers? By lowering their standards and taking people that couldn't pass the test before, aren't up to standards physically, and who have offences on their police records that would have once disqualified them. Buy, hey, don't let the facts stand in the wave of you waving your flag, there, chief.
Right on Jack @ 88:
I can't stand those flag waiving SUV folks
The thing about the Krautheimer-Williams exchange is that Williams simply failed to put the fly in Krautheimer's ointment and it was buzzing around his head the whole time. Krautheimer used as "evidence" of the surge's success the apparent turn-around in Anbar (and how much of that is hype?), the decline in violence in Baghdad, the decline in attacks on G.I.'s, and so forth, to which, I thought, SO FUCKING WHAT?! Had Williams been a bit faster on his feet and not so benumbed by Krautheimer's fancy footwork, he'd have come back with the obvious retort: that none of this "evidence" proves any movement toward -- nay, any remote hope of -- a p-o-l-i-t-i-c-a-l solution to the sectarian differences in Iraq.
The nation has been Balkanized to the extent that even if al-Maliki's government falls and is replaced by (who, Chalabi? lol), the Will to Ethnic Cleanse will still be there. Biden may have been right all along in arguing that partition could be the only solution, but that plan will eventually backfire. What Sunni wants all that desert in the West when the fertile East and South is so population with Shias (and so allied with Iran) that it is only natural they take it over? What is Baghdad to become, the next Berlin?
Now, taking a cue from Master Swift (see "A Modest Proposal," dealing with the starving children of Ireland), I say, let's get out now and let those ragheads decimate the population. Then, we can go in, bulldoze the corpses, convert the survivors to atheism, and seize their billions of barrels of oil.
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