December 29, 2007 11:30 PM
Open Thread
Susie Bright's Journal (not always safe for work):
Let me introduce you to the swan-song poster girl of the abstinence education movement: TV actress and celebrity-sister, Jamie Lynn Spears. She's pregnant.
Jamie, raised to be a Baptist Good Girl by her devoted Church Stage Mother, was "shocked" to learn she was expecting, according to her tabloid confession.
Jamie is so... typical.
...The abysmal failure of purity balls and chastity rings and "Just-Say-No" is one of the most under-reported stories of the year. The numbers are in, and they are deafening. Read more...
Open thread below...
Indeed, just-say-no-to-sex has done as well as just-say-no-to-drugs.
I say we throw more money at the problem.
Obviously, Jamie Lynn must be the second coming of the Virgin Mary.
If her child is a male, she's gonna have a bunch of kooks camping on her doorstep, including Huckabee, Robertson, Dobson, et.al., all claiming that 'Abstinence Only' WORKS!
Oh, good grief. The boyfriend may not even be the father? This just gets better and better.
The females of the Spears family sure seem to like fu*king.
Maybe that's why Dr. Phil is so enamored of the mother.
If you attempt to raise children in a religious environment that fu*ks them over (by lying to them, denying them, 'Just-Say-No-ing' them), as soon as they can, they're going to seek revenge, and turn-about is fair play.
No, no, no, no, NO!!!! Not a Spears girl on the cover of C&L!!?!
Couldn't stick with just blow jobs and taking it in the ass like a good Christian girl, I guess.
See the earlier post on C&L for some enlightenment:
On Tuesday’s Live with Dan Abrams, Dan discussed with Air America’s Rachel Maddow and National Abstinence Education Association’s Valerie Huber (who has faced criticism for her anti-gay and religious overtones in pushing abstinence) the recent findings that the teen birth rate has risen:
In a troubling reversal, the nation’s teen birth rate rose for the first time in 15 years, surprising government health officials and reviving the bitter debate about abstinence-only sex education.
The birth rate had been dropping since its peak in 1991, although the decline had slowed in recent years. On Wednesday, government statisticians said it rose 3 percent from 2005 to 2006.
However, some experts said they have been expecting a jump. They blamed it on increased federal funding for abstinence-only health education that doesn’t teach teens how to use condoms and other contraception. Read on…
Add to that the rise in sexually transmitted diseases among our teens and you’ve got a Republican recipe for disaster for our kids.
Firedoglake has more… (thanks to Nicole for her assistance)
video here
I believe that all 16-year-old girls should be used for political gain. Thanks crooksandliars.
http://www.abstinenceonly.com
a celebration of non-penetration.
"The abysmal failure of purity balls.."
*drum roll* yeah.. he knocked her up! *rim shot*
Virginity is overrated....
The Bush administration is cutting off funding for abstinence-only sex education in Washington because this state now requires schools to provide additional, medically accurate information about preventing unintended pregnancy and STDs.
any questions as to whether these educational booshwackers can handle the truth?
If ass*ole, hypocritical lying politicians try to legislate against human nature, or ass*ole, hypocritical lying religious 'leaders' try to use a figmental 'god' to preach against human nature, they'd end up looking like the irrelevant boobs they are.
Except, since they'll condemn some righteous folks to jail, and frighten some gullible folk by condemnation to an eternal figmental hell, they'll end up revealed as the despicable, dishonorable, mendacious hypocrites they are.
Joe J. @ 10:
I, for one, don't understand your 'concern'...
porn again christians!
Joe J. @ 10:
Glad C&L could help you feel superior.
'Abstinence Only With Condoms', would be a good compromise program.
I went to a tiny public school, and when I was in 8th grade or so, the Education Department of the State required some sex education for all Junior High Kids.
The School Board was made up of mostly Southern Baptists, so of course the Abstinence Only curriculum was applied. Since it was such a small school, our Science teacher was tasked with 'teaching' this class. We were blessed with a progressive teacher that argued to the School Board, showed the excerpts from the Biology text books, and tried to get a real sex ed class. Anyway, the school board held his job over his head, so in our first class he wrote:
"SEX! Don't Do it!" on the chalk board, and when we came into class he said, "Any questions?" When noone had any questions he gave us a test that said, "Should you have sex?"
A. Yes
B. No
If you answered 'B' you were free from the class.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 13:
venereal disease is underrated.
She's trying to out-trainwreck her sister. Expect Britney to be in a porn video, and this time she will shave her _____ for the role.
It's a religious thing. After all, if 'Abstinence Only' hadn't been practiced by 'god', Mary wouldn't have been a Virgin Mother.
Joe J. @ 10:
and dont forget the Fowleys' down there in DC, boys need to have fun too...
Rethugs and more Dems than I like to admit
Charges: You believe in freedom of speech, until someone says something that offends you. You suddenly give a damn about border integrity, because the automated voice system at your pharmacy asked you to press 9 for Spanish. You cling to every scrap of bullshit you can find to support your ludicrous belief system, and reject all empirical evidence to the contrary. You know the difference between patriotism and nationalism -- it's nationalism when foreigners do it. You hate anyone who seems smarter than you. You care more about zygotes than actual people. You love to blame people for their misfortunes, even if it means screwing yourself over. You still think Republicans favor limited government. Your knowledge of politics and government are dwarfed by your concern for Britney Spears' children. You think buying Chinese goods stimulates our economy. You think you're going to get universal health care. You tolerate the phrase "enhanced interrogation techniques." You think the government is actually trying to improve education. You think watching CNN makes you smarter. You think two parties is enough. You can't spell. You think $9 trillion in debt is manageable. You believe in an afterlife for the sole reason that you don't want to die. You think lowering taxes raises revenue. You think the economy's doing well. You're an idiot.
Exhibit A: You couldn't get enough Anna Nicole Smith coverage.
Sentence: A gradual decline into abject poverty as you continue to vote against your own self-interest. Death by an easily treated disorder that your health insurance doesn't cover. You deserve it.
Stolen from here
This reminds me of an old newspaper column about the anti-sex-education crowd. After the father's Committee to Eliminate S*x and other Communist Plots successfully bans sex education in the schools, his daughter gets a pimple on her nose. An unscrupulous male classmate notices it, tells her she's got an STD, and offers a somewhat unconventional cure resulting in her getting pregnant.
On leaving the hospital with his new grandchild, the man tells reporters "At least my daughter still doesn't know anything about sex."
Instead of jumping in, full bore, with 'Abstinence Only' programs, maybe they should start by trying to convince girls not to tickle boy's balls.
Yet more proof we should be selling most of the South to Mexico. Imagine what the media would have to do for news without the morons that come from there.
RepubAnon @ 26:
There was that essay about 'purity balls' and the creepy aspect of them, the daddy's girl hidden side to them.
What could be more creepy than a daddy marrying his own daughter at a purity ball.
Theres a very good satirical song by Kevin 'bloody' Wilson an Australian singer songwriter called
"dont touch your sister, she's mine!" sums up ‘Abstinence Only’ programs for girls to a tee.
Is this an 'Open Thread', or a 'Sex Thread'?
As valid as your point is, bringing up a 16 years old girl to make a political point it's kinda like the tactic used by neocons and O'Reillys.
Did you hear the one about the Baptist Preacher, who, bible in hand, stopped by a farmhouse that had 'SPEARS' on the mailbox, to preach purity in deed and thought, and..............................................................................................................?
nyguy @ 31:
what are you, a NYPost reader?
I don't know where or when most of you went to school, but in my neighborhood, if the girls had attended 'purity balls', and worn 'chastity rings', it would have been comparable to tattooing targets on their pudendas.
Okay, I think I need to say something about this topic because I don't think people are understanding it.
Cons do NOT think that abstinence works for preventing pregnancy. Well why would they implement this policy then? Well, simple: The lower class in this country is more affected by bad choices in their lives than the upper class is.
The policy is 3 fold: 1. Stop abortions 2. Stop Sex ed (in the present sense) and 3. Stop people from getting birth control.
This is meant to have people MAKE BABIES. A culture that has to go to war all the time is not going to be concerned about limiting pregnancies. Also, the fact that people that are just hanging on financially get trapped into have more children helps and enables this process. What jobs are they going to have? What education can they afford? This plays right into dumbing down our society and making more to be dumbed down. It feeds the zero sum game crowd just fine.
I suggest people think about this because I think that having a debate about what works isn't even the point. The conservatives KNOW it doesn't work. That's how it works for them.
Fix the elections!! Verified Voting. Paper Trails. Random Audits. Help me find the organizations fighting the battle. Our lives and possibly future may depend on it. Peace.
There is a story on kitco.com about a company called Newmont mining, they want to stop employing women because they get pregnant too much.
Remember kids, just say no to statutory - rape - by - your - creepy - 60 - year - old - producer - on - your - fake - teen - happy - show - then - paying - some - dopey - 19 - year - old - to - take - the - fall - because - your - mama's - a - media - whore... Blech. Tastes like gossip. I don't like it. Who is this person and why should I care? Were we not all young idiots once? Put up a picture of the parents or the studio heads instead.
On that note, I like that Paul Krugman guy. Even if Charlie Rose is much more beligerant than usual in this interview Krugman still comes off as fairly smart. I know that has nothing to do with anything, but I've never seen the guy before. :)
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I wish abstinence only had been around when I was a kid. I could have gotten laid more.
Let me introduce you to the swan-song poster girl of the abstinence education movement: TV actress and celebrity-sister, Jamie Lynn Spears. She’s pregnant.
my bad, I'm sorry!!
how many times do I have to say it?
Joe J. @ 10:
I believe all hypocritical thinking and maneuvers should be confronted and exposed as they arise. Thanks crooksandliars.
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 38:
I agree she doesn't need to take the brunt of this!! Show pictures of her mother and the old man producer.
What these knuckleheads want is the 1950s shame that pregnancy carried. These old folks want to chastise women all over again. It will never happen. Those days are long gone.
Although I believe she is way too young to have a baby and is seeking attention that her older sister has.
TalkieToaster @ 35:
Correct and also their strategy to try and preserve the status quo, and combat the changing demographic mix of North America.
The Republican neocon goal is a sub-class of short lived manual labor / cannon fodder with not much chance of living to or beyond pension age. Trickle up Reaganomics, the masses paying taxes and health premiums and not surviving due to rationed denied healthcare to survive to pension age.
"...Jamie, raised to be a Baptist Good Girl by her devoted Church Stage Mother, was “shocked” to learn she was expecting..."
No one told her about fucking? that's evil. Hey Jamie. It only takes once. That's all you need to know. that, and abstinence schooling is a total crock of shite.
Good luck young lady. I had a good friend who worked with unwed mothers in the south, and let me tell you-none of them had their own tv shows.
miss_kitty @ 45:
Once. hahahahaha
Katie Couric was turned down for the anchor job on 'Naked News'.
Now she's auditioning for a 'Feminine Hygiene' commercial.
She's going to try Fox next.
I wonder how low she'll sink.
The long awaited battle between the religious and the secular is on!
The AAA (Association of Atheists and Agnostics) has hired Jamie Lynn Spears to do a nude scene in their program titled, 'FU*K ABSTINENCE'.
And the AAA has promised an award to whoever gets the best reaction shot of Huckabee when their program is announced.
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 43:
'Seeking attention', bullsh*t. Girls just wanna have fun!
You know Bill Kristol might be pregnant, because he couldn't just say NO to the NY Times.
It makes as much since in just saying NO to drugs. These young ones are people (lacking experience you can't give) not programable robots..............................
I don't know, I think abstinence only program is good for the church. After all, the increasing number of white babies and white preggie mothers are proof.
john edwards has had a pretty good day on the blogisphere.
but i'm still not voting for him, because he not only supported invading iraq, he CO-SPONSORED THE BILL w/ LIEBERMAN.
saying sorry helps, johnny, but that's still an awful lot of dead people.
We shouldn't be talking about this because it involves a young girl? Good thinking, THAT'S the way to protect the young. I see you are for not just ignorance in teaching sex education, but ignorance all the way around.
this is always such an idiotic debate.
the pros and cons of various sex ed programs need to be measured by a whole lot more than just the numbers.
for instance, the "pill" is the female version of steroids, and during the 50's and 60's it was administered in lethal doses.
I say lethal, because the pill certainly led to cancer and other fatal health complications.
Does anyone even read the medical reports? the Pearl index?
Even today's smaller dosages of the pill lead to serious health risks if the woman smokes, or does anything else to detract from an ideal homeostasis. But few pay attention: most just blindly trust the preachers of the new state religion. If corporate scientists say its ok, then it must be.
Planned Parenthood used to be a eugenics front, that facilitated FORCED STERILIZATION in more than half the United States. There is good reason to resist allowing these types of organizations to indoctrinate the youth about sex. If only condoms were promoted, it would be one thing, but these birth control advocates have a long history of abusing their positions of authority and exposing entire generations to huge health risks.
I am not advocating the current monstrosity of "abstinence only" sex ed, but lets not be tricked into thinking we only have two choices.
And please,
stop repeating the insane company line that Gates Foundation sex ed has been "proven" to be more effective than abstinence only sex ed programs. They are both terrible programs run by terrible people, but neither can be fully analyzed by simply percentages regarding pregnancy and sexual activity. Things like abortion rates, health risks, and even parental relations all need to be considered. It very well might be that abstinence only programs come in last, but it is obvious that the peanut gallery has never engaged in such a study.
And probably, few, if any of you have ever read the pearl index.
And probably, few, if any of you know how to work a multiple linear regression. So you wouldn't understand the science even if you read it.
Thats called blind faith in the corporate religion.
Joe J. @ 10:
What's this 'for political gain' crap? Put a period after 'used'. You're spending too much time political wonking. You should relax, spend some time getting a little. Or a lot.
odanny @ 22:
Can we pre-order?
Preacher Boob @ 55:
i agree w/ joe. it's kind of pissing me off how the media's already after this poor sixteen year old girl. yeah, she's hypocritical, but for god's sake, she's only sixteen, and she's getting all this pressure to be some perfect little angel.
it's almost as if the media's saying, "well, we've chewed brittney up and spit her out like bubblegum, now let's go after her sister.
preacher boob.
you are the most religious person here.
your constantly evangelize your beliefs about the non existent status of god, hell, and sexual morals.
its pretty funny, especially since you back away from any conversation about math.
you cling to your blind faith in popular science.
craig @ 54:
Craig is presenting with manifold psychotic repression, and the resulting delusionary conviction that he is superior to all other life forms. Since his neurons are incapable of effecting synaptic connections, he will not comprehend this comment, but it's a damned shame we shut down all of the asylums
Any sex ed program that tells kids to say "no" when biology is screaming "yes" is doomed to failure.
This is not surprising. A lot of us were involved in highly idealistic groups when we were younger. The paradox is that the biggest idealogues always tend to be the biggest perverts. The guy who writes the book on the perfect marriages ends up fighting his way through an intensely traumatic divorce that drags out for years. The priests you trust your kids with turn out to be not so trustworthy after all.
This thing just fits the pattern. I wonder how many kids get knocked up inside these idealistic youth groups that we don't hear about. We hear about Jamie Lynn because she's a Spears sister and a TV personality.
By the way, C&L isn't using a 16-year old for political purposes. The entire target of the Abstinence program is aimed at teenagers. When teenagers get pregnant by the adults to whom the are entrusted, the whole system breaks down. That's what happened here. So why doesn't Mama Spears or the network prosecute the old pervert? Is there something about traditional Christian values that protects old perverts? Well?
Hey religious idiots! Abstinence doesn't work! There will be no rapture! There will be no Armegeddon unless YOU go bomb the hell out of the Middle East.
Dinosaurs didn't co-exist with humans 4000 years ago.
Hello???
craig @ 58:
I am the most sacriligious person here. I cling to my faith in Playboy.
I don't even read Popular Science. (I don't read Playboy either, I just look at the pictures)
myiq2xu @ 56:
I wanna hold the auditions (and maybe the razor).
preaching abstinence vs teaching sexual education
it's not Jamie-Lynn's fault, she was raised in environment trying to pretend to curb reality but when reality hits, it hits with the knowledge and tools.
But don't count on big sis Britney to teach the facts of life, LOL
Get JLS off my damn blog.. WTF were you thinking? Gonna do Donald Trump next? Lame, Lame, LAME! Thanks Big Media.. Oh, and you C&L dolts too. Sarcasm aside... don't let this happen again.
S.
a.k.a.
upstartradio
Preacher Boob @ 63:
boob, have you ever considered cultivating a loving, functional relationship with a member of the opposite sex? it's a lot better than you might think...
myiq2xu @ 62:
I am the second-most sacriligious person here. I use Popular Science as a 'beard' for my porn novels, but I don't read them. I just stroke, and look at the pictures. 'God' told me that's the way to do 'it', and still remain a virgin.
ROM Spaceknight @ 66:
Sounds like you're a member of the 'Opposite Sex'. Have your people call my people.
Preacher Boob @ 27:
And maybe the guys should learn about responsibility. If a girl wants to tickle their balls, they should just say no.
You know, dry humping only leads to 'The Other.'
Ah, what the world needs...more Spears spawns. These people multiply like budding polyps.
I guess they're going to have a very, very special Zoey 101 episode. Zoey finds out condoms are not just used for water balloons.
I haven't been outside yet tonight, but I'm damned sure there's a full moon.
Preacher Boob @ 68:
no, boob, i'm a dude. a heterosexual dude (who loves his gay friends dearly) but i'd be remiss if i didn't mention that i'm probably not the only commenter here who's realized you've got some serious issues, and not necessarily the good kind.
miss_kitty @ 69:
'Dry humping' leads to 'The Other'? I saw that movie, and enjoyed it, but it was all about 'wet humping'. Maybe I had my back turned during the 'dry Humping' part. But I'd have thought my girl would have told me about it. She was always facing the screen. (Well, almost always)
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ROM Spaceknight @ 72:
'God', there are sure a lot of 'god' clones out tonight. In the first place, dood, heterosexual is the 'Opposite Sex' of homosexual. Not that I believe you're either one, but just for fun, go ahead and indulge your fantasy. In the second place, you're boring.
abstinence only Flintstonianism fails again
Blue Lensman @ 6:
Yeah, I know John is giving the staff some time off for the holidays, but damn, this should be filed under fluff, distraction/sex-baiting, not Government Policy & Health/Science.
I'm waiting for the open thread about Osama's latest video, and the video of Bhutto stating that he(OBL) has already been murdered.
Guess I'll have to start my own blog.
CoIntelPro @ 21:
But crabs can be tasty.
For the record I did not sleep with any of the Spears girls. And I cut off my Kentwood Springs bottled water account to ensure that i would not get pregnant or show my privates on national internets.
But my Senator wears diapers.
And that is all I have to say on that subject.
Preacher Boob @ 73:
:lol:
YBNurmal @ 79:
Do you live in Arizona?
miss_kitty @ 69:
Show me the boy who will 'just say no' when a girl wants to tickle his balls, and I'll introduce you to Ryan Seacrest.
Preacher Boob @ 82:
Uh-no thanks...I'll take the guy who forgets how to say 'no' :P
miss_kitty @ 81:
The Arizona Senator wears Depends. YB may be from Mississippi. Or Arkansas.
I am master of my domain.
Why can't more people be like me?
Paul @ 85:
Like how? Bereft of offers?
(I kid. Sort of. Don't you remember 16? Self-control is not part of nature's plan at that age. Add ignorance and...)
Since it is open thread... this may have been here before, but it's just too damn funny to me:
HOW MANY NEOCONS TO CHANGE A LIGHTBULB:
1. One to deny that the light bulb needs to be changed.
2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed.
3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb.
4. One to tell the nations of the world that they are either for changing the light bulb or for darkness.
5. One to give a billion dollar no-bid/cost-plus contract to Halliburton for the new light bulb.
6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a stepladder under the
banner: "Light Bulb Change Accomplished."
7. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark.
8. One to viciously smear #7.
9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light bulb changing policy all along.
10. Finally, Joe Lieberman to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing the light bulb and screwing the country.
Forgot where I nabbed that.
I especially enjoyed the graphs and charts from the report showing the program group and control group where all the numbers were identical.
Joe J. @ 10:
All other 16 year old girls do not make millions of dollars by being phony idols constructed by the Religious Right ..........Funny how you're trying to blame C&L for that , yet give the 'abstinence 1st' loser religious crowd a pass.
Way to be alert there , ya' nitwit.
That same Bible they use says "be fruitful and multiply" yet they preach abstinence.
Paul @ 85:
Because the majority of us don't own nor live in hovels ..............
Republican, grandparents at 26....
miss_kitty @ 83:
Forgets ?
What the hell does "No" mean ? :D
God gave us genitals for a reason: so we could feel guilty if we used them. So that our daughters could find a sloppy abortionist in a back alley. He gave us genitals to make God fearing Christians in holy matrimony because otherwise the collection plates would go empty and divorce lawyers would drive Escorts. God did not want us to enjoy ourselves or love each other without the church's blessing But somehow in His ultimate wisdom he gave us these genitals before the first church was built, before the first religion was founded and before there was a God. He moves in mysterious ways indeed.
What a mess! The DA better file rape charges if it really is the executive. This is just another embarrassment for the Spears family. These two girls are not just examples of how abstinence only education has failed but a reminder that parents have to be more involved with their kids with honest, open dialog rather than relying dogmatic religious edicts without acknowledging REALITY!!!. And BTW, keep kids out of Showbiz unless your prepared for the consequences. F'ing pathetic!! ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!
ROM Spaceknight @ 72:
I've got some serious issues too. January 2001, June 2002, April 2003 and most of 2004.
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 86:
Q:How many liberals does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: None, liberals screw in hot tubs.
religion leads to sexual depravity...don'tcha know?
before you cry *bullshit*, look at the evidence:
1: Catholic priests going to prison for diddling altar-boys
2: Catholic dioceses going bankrupt dealing court settlements for trying to cover-up #1
3: 'Christian' megachurch preachers dealing/using drugs and poking gay hookers
4: hmmm...last married pope lived around 1100AD....last pope *with children* died some 430 years later
5: The old Muslim practise of keeping harems
6: the old practice of guarding these harems with men who had their cojones removed (at least)
7: the present-day practice in many areas of the Muslim world to take young boy lovers
8: Honor killings of women
9: The present-day Hindu problem with husbands burning/mutilating/killing their wives because they didn't feel they got enough dowry
When we start making public policy based upon what IS and not what SHOULD be, then we will have a proper functioning government. When we seek to draw policy from the democratic will of an INFORMED electorate, then we will have a functioning democracy.
This nonsense is all so typical of how we (mis)govern ourselves: absurd assumptions, bad data, incoherent public policy. On and on, without end.
uh, ya, who the heck cares about this story?
Red state sex ed.
http://sportswrap.berecruited.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/Jamie-Lynn%...
Jacob @ 99:
Enquiring minds!
She's rich and white, so she deserves sympathy. Anyone else is just a welfare cheat.
chastity rings? now that's the problem , they should have been using good old fashioned medievil chastity belts ;)
I haven't read all the posts, but do any comment on a selfish self absorbed spoiled 16 yr. old, who was obviously raised by an idiot. And who pays all those scumbags who chase them around with cameras? Why? I hear all the same crap about the failure of "abstinence only", but I don't hear any comments about personal responsibilities. Besides do you really think she will even change more then a diaper or two just for show!
Joe J. @ 10:
nyguy @ 31:
This is a little different, isn't it? It isn't like CrooksAndLiars is sending out their "hard-hitting journalist" to stalk the family in their home. This portrays Jamie Spears as the victim.
WHO THE HELL IS THE FATHER AND WHY ISN'T HE BEING BROUGHT UP ON CHARGES??????
Well, I went over to Susie Bright's Journal and discovered that she not only likes to write tabloid trash about pseudo celebrities (the Spears girl) and give it a thin veneer of social responsibility by denouncing the whole barefoot and pregnant mindset of the wingnuts but she is a near fanatical admirer of late Benazir Bhutto. Ms. Bhutto and her husband had, during her two terms as prime minister of Pakistan, stolen TWO BILLION dollars from Pakistan's treasury and parked all the money in Dubai, England, Switzerland and God knows where else. She was under indictment for theft, bank fraud, and numerous other crimes in three different countries and was more or less forced to go back to to Pakistan. To hold her up as some sort of heroine, you've got to be on heroin.
Request: Unedited Bhutto Assassination Video
Of course it won't be posted here, but can someone direct me to a place where I can download the recent Benazir Bhutto assassination video. The original, not the one that CNN has tampered with, cutting off the edges of the screen in order to focus on the subject, and using effects to draw a viewer's attention to specific aspects. No one has yet posted it as far as I know.
If the guy has "purity balls", does that mean that the child will be a "pure" christian baby?
Will the child be a male born with "purity balls" too?
;)
More housing woes.
New video appears to show Bhutto being shot
This second video in this clip, which I haven't been able to find unedited yet for download, shows Benazir Bhutto being hit apparently twice, the last appears to be a spinal shot, judging by the way she falls. The shooter who is on the left, seems to go unmolested by the body guards and police around the vehicle as he raises his weapon.
Also CNN aired a picture of the seat in the vehicle where Bhutto was sitting, and there was a large puddle of blood in it.
It's interesting that the Musharraf controlled government has been trying to convince people that she fell and hit her head, even providing supposed x-rays of her skull, in contrast to what the doctor who examined her initially stated that it was a spinal injury which caused her death.
This is obviously a cover-up, and we need to ask ourselves who had the most to gain by her death.
So there would be a certain symetry and rough justice if the 'Spears Juggernaut' fades to black with the same whispered appeals to schoolgirl fetishes they came in on (the "Hit Me Baby" video).
I, for one, think Mama Spears SHOULD write the parenting & marraige book. It would have a certain historical value, like Mein Kampf.
odanny @ 22:
sideburns?
top of her feet?
what else is left?
oZer @ 112:
I'll say it. PUSSY.
The entire thing is so funny that I'll still be laughing about it this time next year.
If any of these people had a single clue they'd have whisked the little twit off to an abortion clinic and then gone on with their lives.
One thing bothers me about this whole story. That the media portrays it as some sort of tragedy. There's this narrative out there, that it's bad to et pregnant. Me, I wish Spears and her family the best. I love children.
looks like the good little religous girl is a horny little bitch......I wonder where she got that kind of influence..............cause I think it's safe to say her sister is worse.........hmmmm....
I hear that the Spears are big time Bush supporters, go figure...
LEAVE BRITNEY'S SISTER ALONE!!!! SHE'S ONLY HUMAN!!!!!any of you bloggers on this comment thread who want to diss here are going to have to go through me! BORSHE, you people make me sick! LEAVE HER ALONE
Shawn @ 65:
I agree. This story has no business being on C&L. So a 16-year-old girl gets boned by a 42-year-old guy and gets pregnant. I for one could not possibly care less. In the pantheon of things to care about in 2008, this matter is not worth even a glance.
Seriously. She's a 16 year old who got pregnant. Like that doesn't happen every day. If she didn't have a famous sister, and if she wasn't on TV herself, nobody would care a wit. So why do we?
Leave her alone and move on to something important.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071231/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_casualties;_ylt=At3afKFZ_KXl18FMqL2W9wCs0NUE
The only news that I would like to hear about this is..............
Father of Spears baby up on criminal charges for statutory rape. PERIOD. You can't blame her. She's a kid. BUT whoever the father is, that's open season people.
Immaculate Conception.
By this I mean she showered after getting fucked raw.
bubba @ 122:
I take it you have no teen daughters.
Old enough to be her grandfather? In this family that would make him 42.
Democracy? Without A War? How Odd!
Preacher Boob @ 67:
I'm the third most sacrilegious person here. I stash my copies (well worn copies, I might add) of "Juggs" magazine inside a copy of USA Today then wrap THAT in a copy of the Christian Science Monitor. :-)
I do not support abstinence only, but I think it's wrong to condemn a whole movement based on one teeny-bopper celebrity who is in a very different lifestyle from most teens. I have no doubt this young woman got extraordinarily close to her young boy friend to fend off the dirty old men who were no doubt hitting on her constantly. (Read Natalie Wood's biography for an eye-opener about the entertainment industry and little girls). I don't condone these Christians forcing their lifestyle on everyone, but I also don't think Democrats should rush to insert themselves in the bedrooms of the opposition.
Liberal men are so quick to trash the idea of abstinence because they want women to be available to them sexually and they don't want to have to be responsible or careful about sex. Just do it and if the girl gets pregnant, send her to the abortion clinic or the pharmacy. Or make women risk their lives taking birth control, don't expect a man to use protection--it might interfere with his pleasure, especially after he's taken several doses of Viagra to pump himself up.
I am a Democrat, but I know that this attitude on the part of liberal men who started the sexual revolution is the main phenomenon that led to the rise of the Moral Majority, women who were sick and tired of being treated like sex objects.
What our society needs is a program for men to learn to have some self-discipline and behave responsibly toward women instead of assuming they have the right to no-stings-attached sex every time they spend an hour or two with a woman and perhaps buy her a cup of coffee or dinner. Talk about treating women like prostitutes! If I were going to exchange sex for bonuses, I would certainly choose diamonds over a cup of Joe.
Personally, and as a Christian woman, I think the purity balls that girls attend with their fathers and male ministers are very, very disturbing. There is no way on this earth I'd allow that to happen to a daughter, and if my church began holding purity balls, I'd leave.
JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin @ 13:
Speak for yourself.
CoIntelPro @ 16:
That's because you hate "rich white people," but why not? They are racist bigots, right?
The essay doesn't provide evidence that Jamie Lynn Spears ever took an abstinence class.
kaT @ 127:
Ummm...if'n yer religious and believe all those fairy tales, the main purpose for women according to the great storybook is for creating. Or sex if you prefer. Don't blame men, blame God. Self discipline? Please. These actresses walk around half naked with a sign basically that says "drool over me and my fake body" and it's the men's fault? I don't think so.
Booty K Jones @ 20:
My kids went to a public high school in the south, the local doctors came in and taught sex education in graphic detail to co-ed classes. All but two of the girls in my daughters' class (about 200 girls) were pregnant and unmarried before graduation. The bottom line on this issue is, kids should not be engaging in sexual activity and bot sexes should be educated as to why it isn't a good idea. Children (and people under the age of 21 are children) are simply not responsible enough to think about birth control and use it effectively). It's insane that sex drives our national political dialogue.
CHASTITY BALLS?
if them was the only balls she was working with, she wouldn't be the poster-girl
maybe pat robertson could pray the pregnancy away....
maybe bush could have a quick chat with god....
maybe it is a miracle baby....
MY BET..... SHE WAS TRYING TO CURE HER PRIEST OF HIS PEDOPHILIA GAYNESS BY HAVING SEX WITH HIM
myiq2xu @ 60:
Your message? Just give in to every base animal instinct, right? Sort of like let's just legalize drugs because we're not a smart enough society to craft a solution.
some of john edwards supporters are trying to convince us he's the most electable democratic candidate. some of his supporters are even blatantly using race-baiting as a tactic.
i see edwards' electability a little differently than his supporters. i think he's authorization of an invasion and subsequent 5 year+ occupation of iraq as a real blemish on his record.
remember, edwards didn't just approve the iraq resolution, he CO-SPONSORED it with joe lieberman.
70% of americans (and over 50% of military families) realize now that this invasion was a MISTAKE. those percentages are only going to go up as we continue to slog through this quaqmire in 2008. don't buy the neocon-corporatist propaganda that the splurge was a success -2007 was the most deadly year yet for our u.s. men and women in iraq. and the american people have had enough.
so, if we dems run edwards, and the repubs run huckabee or romney, who had nothing to do with iraq (or the patriot act), you bet your @$$ they're going to turn the tables on edwards and show him to be pro-war candidate, or worse, someone who's easily misled.
it's gotta be obama or kucinich, and i just don't see kucinich conjuring up a miracle this late in the game and taking iowa, or new hampshire, or south carolina.
here's what obama said about an iraq invasion in october 26th, 2002.
he was right about EVERYTHING.
don't NOT vote for our best candidate because you're scared a mixed-race candidate can't win. that's the same crap they said about kennedy and his catholicism.
we listened to the beltway punditocracy and the dlc last time, and they dumped that welterweight douche bag john kerry, who promised the american people every vote would be counted, only to go down like a sack of potatoes on election day.
vote your conscience this time.
*dumped that welterweight douche bag john kerry on us,
kaT @ 135:
There's nothing wrong with advising kids to say "no." But they should also be armed with information on prevention of pregnancy and disease if they say "yes." I think the way we handle sex education and our attitudes toward sexuality create a lot of problems (Larry Craig, for example). How many out there actually received formal "sex education?" By "sex education" I mean education about sex, not just morality lectures, basic biology and warnings about disease and pregnancy.
kaT @ 135:
We've already proven we're not smart enough to 'solve' sex. The drug 'solution' hasn't worked out too well, either. And you're proof that we're way behind on solving 'dumb'.
ConcernedCanuck @ 132:
The women's lib movement enabled all the women who were sick and tired of being treated as sex objects to turn to each other for compassion, and to have sex.
And that's a good thing! Especially for us voyeurs.
Chastity Balls sounds like a porn actress, don't you think?
ROM Spaceknight @ 136:
Excuse me, this 'Space' that you're a knight on, is it confined to a brane? Does the brane have a name? And how on earth are you able to communicate from your brane to our brane? The best contemporary theoretical physicists say that's impossible.
I think they're right.
Joe J. @ 10:
Joe, this may come as a surprise to you but C&L didn't use Miss Spears as a poster girl for their very politicaly motivated abstinance program BS. That would be bushco. C&L is just passing on information of the day, you can take it for what it's worth or you can crawl under a rock like the abstinance only crowd enjoy doing.
NCBlueneck @ 141:
Her latest movie, 'Hangin' with Chastity Balls', was a smash.
MN USA @ 128:
What!? A christian woman with good sense? How neat.
But what would you do if your Minister asked you to hold one of his Chastity Balls?
Borshe @ 118:
Ha Ha Ha! You made odanny laugh!
kaT @ 127:
Sounds like you're suggesting a mandatory anti-Viagra pill. We don't need one.
We have 'The View'. And Rosie.
Preacher Boob @ 147:
Don't forget Oprah, and C&L's posts on CONdi Rice
justadood @ 97:
I think you may have your cart before your horse. Without addressing each of your points, is it possible that the sexually depraved find religion is a very good tool for manipulating their subjects?
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