Hardball: Matthews Leaves John Edwards Off Power Rankings - Opts For Rudy
By Logan Murphy Sunday Jan 13, 2008 7:50pm
During the Power Ranking segment on Monday's Hardball, Chris Matthews decided to snub Democratic presidential candidate, John Edwards, choosing instead to insert the floundering Rudy Giuliani into the list. Not one word about Edwards, but Tweety believes that Rudy is still in the hunt for the GOP nod, giving him the last slot in the rankings.
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Surprisingly, (or not) Matthews had just shown poll numbers from Nevada showing a virtual three way tie among Democrats, but apparently that, being right on the important issues of the day and having a solid primary season thus far, wasn't enough to propel Edwards over Rudy -- who is going broke, plummeting in the polls and is throwing everything he's got into the Florida race to try and save his joke of a campaign. There's a real power player if I've ever seen one.
In other news involving buried candidates, a judge has ruled that Rep. Dennis Kucinich must be included in tomorrow's Democratic debate on MSNBC.
UPDATE: Phoenix Woman at Firedoglake has some other polling numbers that no one is talking about either.
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Why does anyone watch or pay any attention at all to Matthews?
Waste of Time!
It looks like Mathews has jumped the shark. The rest of the media is gathering around him and is looking for a scapegoat for the HillaryHampshireGate.
Go Rudy! Go Rudy! How-low-can-he-go? 911!
Good news that Kucinich is being allowed to participate in the Nevada Dem debate.
But, in Texas, Kucinich is not going to be permitted to be on the March Primary Dem
ballot since he refused to sign the "Democrat Loyalty Oath" which mandates that
he will support the Dem. winner in Texas and Dennis K. has not agreed to sign such
a "pledge". Lower court ruled that Kucinich erred in not signing oath and could be
purged from ballot, however, atty's for Dennis K. have appealed, but seriously doubt
that higher court will rule any differently.
Logan,
Why do you do this?
FEAR. After all the fear the MSM has doled out to the American public one would think they could deal with it more rationally.
They fear John Edwards. They fear his message. They fear his plans.
Rudy has been a loser and only a loser thus far, yet the media idiots like Chris Matthews and FOX "News" acts as if he has "won" anything yet. These media buffoons have the most convoluted thinking when it comes to Rudy and John "Insane in the Membrane" McCain.
Chris Matthews and the rest of the six and seven figure a year corporate media crowd are scared of Edwards because he wages "class warfare". In other words, he is calling it as it is, decades of supply side trickle down economics and corporate trade agreements have left the vast majority of the nation living check to check or close to it and or a major illness away from being bankrupt. To paraphrase William Buffet " There is class warfare going on and my class is winning".
Edwards' numbers are still higher than any republican. Something is amiss here
VietVet8666 @ 5:
Because this is what C&L does. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya on you're way out of this room. If you do not like it in here, don't come back, but leave Logan and Nicole and John alone.
This is the best damn blog on the Internet!!!!!!!
By the way folks....there IS CLASS WARFARE....unless you live on some other planet....what do you call outsourcing of jobs and union busting, other than the corporate class waging class warfare?
Usually the ones who are most vested in waging class warfare are those at the top and the likes of Hannity, O'Reilly, and Matthews are the protectors of predatory capitalists, but, to say that class warfare does not exist is IGNORANT.....
Just remember though, like everything else, class warfare starts at the top....
To bad the joke gets worse with Tweety.
Rudy is a joke in a win-win, once he loses he has upped his speaking fee by 100% and gets some plumb ear marks for his companies.
Edwards has solid growing support in nationwide polls and most of the races, also the delgates are close. All the ones at the top are close and should get some media reporting on the issues and policy.
The media would love nothing more than all of these primaries and general election be decided without even a small discussion of policy - nice so we can now have the media be kingmaker and not even have to report on a single issue of policy. How scary.
Brian @ 9:
Not really, Brian. These polls only factor in Republicans and Democrats in separate elections. I've been getting polled here in Michigan in the last week- if I state that I'm voting in the Democratic primary I'm not offered a Republican as one of my choices. Do ya follow me?
I usually watch Hardball( I admit it) but I missed this one. Chris Matthew's fawning over everything Republican is getting tiresome. Remember Georgie on the aircraft carrier? The way he characterized Bush was downright creepy. But what do you expect for a old white Republican.
Glad to hear Dennis has been let back into the debates again.
Brian @ 9:
"amiss..." Yeah, what a shocker! It's getting so you can't trust the corporate media.
The only question is, will the Hilla-Bama-Bots wake up in time.
why does this surprise anyone anymore?.....+...I'm glad DK is getting to be part of this up coming debate.....as for Tweety......nothing new there....
Scott @ 8:
Thats "Warren" Buffet Scott.
I just saw this headline on CNN: Texans see UFO, fear 'end of times,' pilot says
what do you want to bet that Pilot is a Republican! These dopes are just waiting around for enough bodies to build up in the Middle East so that Jesus can come back. what a joke!
Go Edwards
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 19:
Maybe we'll get lucky....and they'll return to Crawford.
Wouldn't that be a hoot....".Preznit abducted by aliens"
Matthews ratings are sliding down. The last week has been a disaster for him in public opinion. Besides being totally misogynistic he also shows a lack of ability to let anyone finish a sentence. Next he'll be telling us how he found dog along with Rudy.
Frankly, I'm surprised Mathews can even mention the word "Hillary".
Would someone put up a link to donate to Edwards? Maybe we could do that whenever his name is mentioned.
bebe @ 20:
Yep!
mudshark @ 17:
Nope.
(sorry- had to edit your comment to fit the answer, muddy...please forgive.)
My Question! Is there anybody with Half a Brain that would watch this Little PRICK?
Jo @ 24:
http://www.johnedwards.com/
...here ya go
Jo @ 24:
Let's see if this works.
Andy K @ 25:
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not a problum......feal freea....u no me,Im a prblumcH!Ld
Chris Mathews is a joke. I am still wondering what his credentials were for getting this idiotic show funded. He continuously interrupts everyone, he is brutally dishonest about his bias and his gut feel sucks. I hear tell he was a political adviser at one time, must have been fired because he is the worst one on MSNBC, period.
bebe @ 20:
Please help by contributing. I did. He needs to be able raise money to pay for advertising. The funds that Clinton has raised are largely from lobbyists for large corporations. He is getting very little coverage by the media as you have just witnessed.
http://existentialist-corral.blogspot.com/2008/01/john-edwards-my-plan-t...
muddy, I sure hope you get to vote for Edwards in your primary. I'm not sure if I'm voting "uncommited" or crossing over and voting for Mittens tomorrow.
I think Edwards would give Obama a run for the money in Michigan. We all know about HRC's fre-trade, NAFTA and CAFTA stances. In a real primary she'd lose here resoundingly.
Does anyone remember his interview with Tom Delay? I swear if he could, he would have kissed him. He was practically kissing Tommy's ass.
Edwards is a putz, he's worse than John " I voted for it before I voted against it" Kerry
Glad to see that C&L is one of the few stepping up and giving Edward's more exposure. To hell with the MSM. Donate to Edward's even if a buck is all you can afford.
another reason to ignore Edwards cursed with Kerry's ghost. Preachin beachy Edwards
Go Obama! Go Hillary!
Hereis what I posted early this morning. The print media doesn't hardly mention any white male democrats.
The main reason that I’m as pissed as a pissed off patricia is reading the news today, there is hardly any mention of white democratic male candidates. I can understand how people can think it’s time for change but, I think it is time to talk about issues, not endorsements or what one or the other candidate meant about MLK. In the Wa Post Edwards name was mentioned twice, Kucinich once. In the NY Times Edwards was mentioned once. No mention of issues for republican or Democratic candidates. One full article on endorsements. “WE THE PEOPLE” deserve better. Tell the media we want better news and coverage of the white male democratic candidates and the issues. Don’t just write a letter to Tom Donahue, get on the media’s case.
http://existentialist-corral.b.....orate.html
Andy K @ 32:
http://cbs5.com/local/california.legislature.february.2.453029.html OH YEAH!...Let there be no doubt in your mind.Edwards Will be coming to Calif.It's amazing to see all the different opinions about the candidates.If I didn't know better...I'd say some people aren't what they claim to be.if ya know what I mean......some people wouldn't be able to see the better option....even if it hit them upside the head.
Tweety is no worse than those clowns over at Politico. They report the "news" just like Fox News.
Andy K @ 32:
Yeah but now Hillary is claiming she is going to bring balance to fair trade and bring manufacturing jobs back to the US. Her new ad implies that it was Bush who enacted NAFTA.
chris @ 34:
Wow "Chris" another analytical, insightful, detailed yet nuanced argument.
I haven't read such intellegent discourse since the other night when you where deleted half a dozen times for flamebaiting.
Good work.
(This just in..."Chris" at his keyboard)
Are the poll numbers including the union workers Hillary is trying to disenfranchise? That lawsuit is the biggest piece of machine politics I have seen in a while. Look at the timing alone. Daley in Chicago would blush.
All Chrissy needs to do now is have Ann Coulter on to call Edwards a fag again.
Andy K @ 28:
Thanks. I just sent a contribution. Put my money where my mouth is.
Matthews like to pretend that Rudy still matters..
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Good to hear dennis can hold the moveable tv transmitter until he needs it in another primary state where war profiteers bar him from their networks.
Remember how the GOP stopped sponsoring the FOX debate when FOX refused to allow Ron Paul? WHy are they suddenly more inclusive than the Dems?
It sucks that Dennis isn't allowed on the Dem primary in TX.... but then again, real progressives in this state have almost all gone Green. And the Greens are actually nominating real choices right now, not "the lesser of evils."
abarts @ 43:
The only real problem with Coultergist calling Edwards a fag is the way "she" drools when she says it. Makes me want to vomit.
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chris @ 34:
bush the idiot son on Stephanopoulos (sp) last year, "We were never about stay the course."
I guess the idiot son was before it before he was against it. If you would bother to read the reason why Kerry changed his mind, you would understand his rationale, instead of repeating like a lobotomized parrot that he's a flip-flopper.
Johnny2Bad @ 41:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!brutal
When will discussion of TV news bobble heads be irrelevant?
Just more of a reason to give to John Edwards on Friday 1/18/2008. As a grassroots effort tries to raise $7 million for Edwards on that day, Fight for John Edwards so he can fight for Our Future.
1/18/2008
https://www.johnedwards.com/action/contribute/form/
chris @ 34:
tell us chris....no please...share with us your insight...to whom should be the next President?
Chris Matthews is just another wanker gop douche bag. no brains and no balls
like billo, he won't let his guest get a word in.
wonder where he shoves the rubber ducky when his wife bathes him.
Johnny2Bad @ 41:
Oh my gawd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'Scuze me while I go puke.
mudshark @ 52:
chris, IIRC is a Paulbot. Edwards must scarce them.
Johnny2Bad @ 41:
he he he heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
b @ 50:
What TV news are you talking about? If you think Chris Matthews or Fox and CNN are news shows, then this is relevant.
miss_kitty @ 55:
erm-scare. Not scarce...:P
Anyone hear if Media Matters got a good response to their report on Matthews . They asked everyone to email MSNBC and give their view on 'the Tweety' . Lets hope it went well.
We should do as the republicans do that makes person listen to them,,, just boycott any dealing with Chris , MSNBC and their sponsors.
Personally I believe he looks like an idiot when challenge by a person with half a brain...
HILLARY
MUST
BE
STOPPED
You guys do know that Sen Mitch McConnel of Kentucky is holding up the vote for Campaign Finance(matching funds).......he's stonewalling this issue...to keep Edwards from getting matching funds.So.......if you're thinking of donating 25 bucks.......try and squeeze out 50.And when(if) he gets the funds..it'll come in later....when He Really Needs it Most.
Straight Shooter @ 48:
Oh, smack!
Shake it off, Shooter...
Edwards has my (primary) vote here in Cali. We'll see if it will make a difference. I have a feeling it will. I also wonder if not getting Kerry's endorsement might be a good thing for his campaign ;-]
jules @ 59:
media matters is a hillary operation
and you can see how in that they are going after obama and the media's criticism of hillary's racist and downright disgusting comments
if that site was fair they would have a petition against the racism and evil of the clinton operation
I jsut donated for the third time to JE. I saw him speak in Berkeley and he was spellbinding; on message and clear as a bell. We NEED John Edwards in '08 and '12.
Keep fighting for us, John, we're counting on you..
John Edwards is running at 11% nationally. 11%. E-l-e-v-e-n-p-e-r-c-e-n-t.
What part of that is unclear? Not putting him among a list of people who can still win isn't a conspiracy. It's a matter of fact.
ElodieStClair @ 66:
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh! fact !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!oh my !
I See A Pattern
These polls are truly made to order. So much so I am going to predict the following:
1. The next poll CNN/fill in the blank and Gallop/fill in the blank polls produced will show Barack Obama in a tie with Hillary Clinton. After the tie poll, the above will produce another poll showing Obama winning beyond the margin of error.
2. Real Clear Poll averages will show Clinton's lead in national polls fading away from now on. They can no longer do this state by state; they must do this soon because things will be happening real fast as we head up to November's election. To do their bias work, Rasmussen will be the first to give Obama the lead in the national polls, if necessary, Real Clear will average as low as 3 polls to get their "close" race. Once the polls are done, the likes of Chris Matthews, Wolf Blitzer and their supporting cast will do the daily propaganda work, they have already started that process.
My point of all this is to show these polls have their own agenda. When Washington Post/ABC put out a poll, the media treats it like God has spoken. They too was in the line of polls who got it wrong in New Hampshire. With a huge media dislike for Clinton, the polls, the TV commentators, and networks are using every tool they can get their hands on to get their bias job done.
Joseph
ElodieStClair @ 66:
I don't know about where you are...but here..everyone I've talked too are more for Edwards than anyone else.......................we'll see....I think Edwards will take So Carolina and Nevada....Obama is strong in the SF Bay area...but as far as I know.That's it for Calif.
"NBC News says it will appeal a judge's ruling rather than include Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich in a candidates' debate tomorrow in Nevada.
In a statement, Jeremy Gaines, a vice president for MSNBC, said the parent network would seek an immediate hearing before the Nevada Supreme Court."
MSNBC is appealing the ruling in favor of Kucinich.
If the appeal fails and Kucinich is allowed to debate, what do you think the over/under is on the number of questions they direct towards Kucinich? 1, maybe 2.
Moose @ 71:
Knowing the ghouls at NBC/MSNBC, probably ZERO!!!!!
It is time to STOP WATCHING NBC/MSNBC, and this includes "Countdown" with the sellout Keith Olbermann....
Yes, Keith Olbermann is a fricking sellout--let's see K.O. criticize his own network regarding these "debates" as he did to FOX "News" and CNN....Keith Olbermann is turning out to be a spineless loser. if Keith Olbermann had any virtues he would resign immediately from that awful-scumbag network--MSNBC...
ElodieStClair @ 66:
It's really starting to look that way, eh? If Edwards can't win SC, in his own backyard, then he's toast.
ElodieStClair @ 66:
Well in that case why not disqualify every candidate below the top 2 candidates on the Republican side and every candidate except the top 2 candidates on the Democratic side? Edwards has finished in the top 3 (2nd in Iowa) each time. People in the low single digits like Richardson might warrant not getting any exposure at this point but its hardly fair not to give it to Edwards. Edwards has done this well with being basically ignored by the MSM, I'm surprised he's polling as high as he is.
Joseph @ 68:
The main reason that I’m as pissed as a pissed off patricia is reading the news today, there is hardly any mention of white democratic male candidates. I can understand how people can think it’s time for change but, I think it is time to talk about issues, not endorsements or what one or the other candidate meant about MLK. In the Wa Post Edwards name was mentioned twice, Kucinich once. In the NY Times Edwards was mentioned once. No mention of issues for republican or Democratic candidates. One full article on endorsements. “WE THE PEOPLE” deserve better. Tell the media we want better news and coverage of the white male democratic candidates and the issues. Don’t just write aa letter to Tom Donahue, get on the media’s case.
http://existentialist-corral.b.....orate.html
Hey folkth,
For the clown who keepth calling my campaign offithes and athking for "Thindy Brady," THERE ITH NO THINDY BRADY WORKING ON MY CAMPAIGN!!!!!!!
Vote for me! 9/11!!!
Rudy
So has Keith O. made his special comment on NBC censoring democracy?
No? I guess that's why he popped up on Kos today: Smoke screen.
Our media is the danger.
chris @ 34:
Are you aware that nearly every republican senator voted against it before they voted for it? I'm taking about the same bill that the talking heads like you gave Kerry the flip flop label!
"POWER RANKINGS"? What, we'll now decide how we vote the way the BCS picks a college football "champion"?
What a load.
chris @ 34:
Well what do ya know, it's a fucking imbecile. One of those 24%ers who is so goddamned stupid, that after 7 years of republican middle-class destroying fascism, he's still too dim to figure out who's scewed the country royally.
Check out the power rankings at MSNBC online. Here is what they say about Edwards:
That's it. And WTF does that even mean?
Chicago Joe @ 76:
a okay rudy 911 911 911 !
oh really @ 1:
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
The more attention we pay to Matthews, the longer MSNBC will have him around. Write them a letter instead, telling them you won't watch or support their sponsors until they replace him.
Then follow through. His show is a waste of time and airwaves.
Matthews...older, not wiser.
ElodieStClair @ 66:
Perhaps. But that's a number can change really fast if he starts to do well in the primaries. John McCain just won NH and he's now #1 in the national polls. You see how that works?
Bill Clinton lost the first three in '92, only finally taking Georgia on March 3rd. How quickly we forget...
Brendan @ 85:
wait untill you see mccain forget!!!!!
Uh, hello? Sorry, PhoenixWoman's polling #s are about 4 weeks out of date. Please show me one current poll showing Edwards leading. I can't find any.
Hillary's gonna run the table Feb. 5th.
Deal with it, embrace it, celebrate it, get behind it, enjoy the end of the GW years. We're going to control the House, the Senate, and the White House. How cool is that?
Or, you could go back to bickering, and dreaming that a guy with 2 years in the senate who admitted to using coke, is going to be elected president.
It ain't gonna happen. He's not going to be VP either.
Pay some dues, BO, then come back in 8 years and we'll talk.
Hank @ 88:
agreed......if she does get the nod,and she screws up in the first term.kick her out....Then I'll look at Obama.......but I'd rather see Edwards now.but the same applies for Edwards as well.or anyone for that fact.
Hank @ 88:
What, 8 years of McCain?
If you just consider for a moment, Edwards is the American....Democrat OR repug...that can get the most done for America. By that I mean "positive movement".
Hillary is going to have the repug politicians ready to resurrect another gingrinch campaign of hate against her....Obama can be written off as the "inexperienced in the Washington ways" president. But Edwards can use those two and others to help stop the corporate corruption that is destroying not only our country, but the entire "free world".
Hillary and Barack are both active Senators with power to expend on our behalf THERE. There is time for Barack to make his move. It would be nice to have a first black or first female in the White House, but it URGENT that we have some one that can put a stop to this corrupt and crumbling corrupt government NOW!!
seevee @ 90:
8 years of McCain, who are you kidding? He's addled, and doesn't appear to be in good health at all. Pay close attention to his choice for veep, because that's who the Repubs are really looking at putting in the White House. McCain is just a stepping stone, as always.
Hank @ 88:
If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination I will vote for her. But it's way too early to tell where this race is going. I'm not counting out BO by any stretch, or John Edwards. Feb 5th could be split all over the place.
My mother used to sing Helen Reddy's "I am woman" at the top of her lungs while cleaning the house when I was growing up. This same woman, who is having a commitment ceremony with her lesbian life partner in May, even she is voting for Edwards in the primary. If Hillary can't win her over, Feb 5 may be far from the end of the story. That NH win was impressive and fun to watch but I'm not convinced that it will translate into a multi-state sweep at this point.
Just my 2 cents...
HulksHeroes @ 91:
They can't be bothered to actually do their jobs! How dare you!! So what's the problem with missing over a hundred votes and few 'present' votes here and there.....
I'm glad you are watching Tweety and reporting back, because I can no longer stomach him. Did you notice that the way Giuliani pronounces "Fwowida" (a word that has now surpassed "Theptember Eleventh" in frequency in his vernacular) sounds just like the way Tweety says "powitics"?
Hank @ 88:
You may be the one dealing with it; that is, another dem loss in November.
If Hillary is the nominee, she will lose to McInsane. The irrational hatred for this woman is breathtaking to behold. I have never seen so many people so turned-off by any politician in my life.
Matthews has nocturnal emissions about Rudy and McCain. He thinks they're "tough guys"
Does anyone know if a candidate who did not rank well in matchup polls became a party candidate and lost an election?
Just wondering about whether the powers that be even pay attention to them. The candidates are all filtered out of the race by convention time except for one, so the general election may not even include the highest ranker in these polls.
Mathews is terrified that if the Dems win this election, they might control the media and as well Edwards might support Hillary win. Mathews strategy is to give the republican party - McCain a victory.
Giulliani is getting exposure for his role in whatever he did during 9/11.
Scott @ 8:
A lot of truth and wisdom there, Scott. By-the-bye, I believe the quote is attributed to Warren. Best. -Sam
EZ @ 99:
you mean they have pics of rudy beshating his drawers!
Chris Mathew might still have his popularity but his CREDIBILITY has been diminished.
Hurrah for Dennis Kucinich,
I can't wait to vote for one of any of these high-quality candidates in November, but to me Dennis Kucinich is head and shoulders above the others in terms of promising policies that I find the most unequivocally progressive.
I am voting for him in the primary on February 5 in Massachusetts.
And, of course, a pox on Matthews.
The unsubstantiated claim that Guiliani is "going broke" is used to justify the assertion that Edwards was unfairly snubbed, however, as of the latest reports, Rudy has $16.6 million in cash on hand, about $4 million more than Edwards.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00002283&cycle=2008
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00009908&cycle=2008
Tweetys marionette dancing to the tune of the post 9/11 oligarchy creeps me out.
peaceful easy feeling @ 104:
Yeah.
"About a dozen senior campaign staffers for Rudy Giuliani are forgoing their January paychecks...the campaign had $12.7 million cash on hand, $7 million of which could be used for the primary."
"unsubstantiated" ?? Riiiiiight
The Provokateur @ 105:
I knowwww. Corporate marionettes are creepy.
Johnny2Bad @ 106:
Johnny2bad... nice moniker... you're living up to it... Good on ya mate as my Aussie buds say!
Regardless which of the 3 "pre-ordained" candidates win the Democrat nomination, anyone who picks one of them should not be surprised when this country decends into ruins. Bankrupt, despised uniformally through out the world, beholdened to the ultra-wealthy, only able to project world influence by threating nuclear war, the US of A will crumble. Period. The depression is upon us. Feel it, sense it, live it. Stand by your cookie-cutter hacks, see how much of a rats ass they give about you when times get REAL tough.
Bickering over Neo-con socio-paths might be amusing, but it has done nothing to remove them from power. Continue to overlook the 75% anti-war sediment and nearly 100% world condemnation to concentrate on school yard arguments for and against school yard heros. Continue overlook the selling-out the American Middle-Class to China, India, Israel or whom ever paid the best into the coffers of Hilliary, Obama or Edwards.
If it hasnt occured to supporters of the "Big 3", one doesnt get big $ in this corrupt system without being part of the system. It doesnt matter what "dirt" they have on Pelosi, Reid, Emanuel. The fact remains, the Bush/Cheney/Neo-socio-path cabal can continue to beat the drums of war ... can continue loot the US treasury to line the pockets of NBC, GE, Northrop, BlackWater(apt name, S.S. wore black)... wire-tap your phone, lock citizens up at pleasure...what ever they pleasure. And non-of the the Big 3 will do ANYTHING to stop it.
You sold out the Constitution, bought and drank the Kool-Aid, hope you have your sneakers on. Pontificate on the absured. Be uninformed, argue about the taste of salt water as the life-raft slowly sinks beneath the waves. Make your last breath memorable and be sure to wave at Hilliary, Obama and Edwards as they sail past you in their yacht.
Hallucinate all you want about "Change", "Vision", "Experience" - wholely irrelevant terms in politics - truely meaningless words, favored by despots though out history. Only requirement of than citizenship is 35 years old for President of the US...look it up. Sell your corporate sponsored Constitution elsewhere.
John Edwards is having a rally in Los Angeles on thursday Jan 17th at 12:00...don't know where in LA yet...
ElodieStClair @ 66:
You call two people a list? You don't suppose that the very same people who are working so hard to ingore Edwards (like yourself) would actually cook the polling numbers, do ya'? Naaaaah. That second place finish in Iowa and the statistical dead heat in Nevada must be an illusion. Area 51 stuff. t Latest reports are that JRE is gaining traction, perhaps the result of people tiring of the BORING Hilly/Bammy tennis match. Whether or not JRE succeeds, he's diong a damn good job swimming against the tide. Sorry to distract you; back to your horse race.
jr @ 97:
That's it exactly. Chris is the last dog in the pack, rolling over and showing his belly to anyone he thinks is an alpha dog. Even fake alphas like Bush. And since most of these blowhard types seem to be Republican, Chris has to be a Republican.
I found a clip of a "typical" edwards supporter, its from Bill Maher
Edwards Supporter
It shows the contradictions in them, but its cute.
The thing is not that Matthews the TV clown is doing the marginalizing of candidates, it is
THAT ALL THE NETWORKS ARE DOING IT.
Kucinich, Gravel, Ron Paul, and now Edwards are SYSTEMATICALLY marginalized and pushed off the airwaves, fulfilling a SELF FULFILLING prophecy that they are fringe candidates.
Acording to the pre written script, this is the:
Obama Vs Hillary Election
Let's see... Edwards and Kucinich have both come out with strong anti-corporate messages.
MSNBC is a corporation that snubs Edwards and tries to drop Dennis from the debates.
Gee, imagine that kind of behavior ...now why would Tweety do that?
...
Wake up people, these cooked conglomerates FEAR & HATE John Edwards because he will keep them honest.
I will vote for John Edwards!
Edwards rally in Los Angeles is at the SEIU headquarters on Wilshire Blvd at 12:15 p.m. Don't have the full address - sorry.
But here's another opportunity to support him: Friday, January 18 huge groundswell to raise $7,000,000 in one day and best Ron Paul's $6,000,000.
I'm in.
Hank @ 88:
Hillary's gonna run the table? Yeah OK we'll see.
Thats what we should do vote for an emotional crying president to lead the free world.
Andrew @ 118:
You're supporting Terrell Owens?
Johnny2Bad @ 41:
Johnny2Bad - Woooow ! you made my day ! So many yapping poodles today .. And, chris managed to piss pple on each thread he got on !
What the hell are these people doing to our process? There is no way no how that Senator Edwards and Congressman Kuccinich should be disrespected by this media as they are doing.
Even their own lying ass polls, show any one of the Democrats will beat the hell out of any of the lunatics, in the Republican party, yet they are allowed to play these sick silly games with our process.
Instead of all this bull shit they are engaging in, they need to be promoting these fine men, who are so eager to present their message of how much better job they could and would do if they are elected to the highest office in this land.
I really hope we will make some serious changes in our national media. I am tired and pissed off about all the special privileges they are affording themselves at the expense of this country.
This is bull shit.
Just proves they are SCARED TO DEATH of Edwards.
And WE THE PEOPLE CAN NOT LET THE TV GUYS PICK OUR PRESIDENT ANYMORE.
TV PEOPLE ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ANYONE WHO PAYS TO WATCH THEM IS ON THE WRONG SIDE.
"Do you believe that compromise, triangulation will bring about big change? I don't. I think the people who are powerful in Washington -- big insurance companies, big drug companies, big oil companies -- they are not going to negotiate. They are not going to give away their power. The only way that they are going to give away their power is if we take it away from them...We can't trade our insiders for their insiders. That doesn't work. What we need is somebody who will take these people on, these big banks, these mortgage companies, big insurance companies, big drug companies. That's the only way we're going to bring about change." -- John Edwards
HulksHeroes @ 91:
HulksHeroes just made more sense than any other posted... wouldn't it be fabulous to have one of the "smartest guys in the room" as Pres...who also believes in watching the back of middle class America? Hillary's smart...and her man Bill is also...but remember NAFTA & CAFTA? And aren't we all SICK of having a MORON in the white house? If Hillary is nominee, we can just hang it up...a repug will be in white house. Barack can come back and talk to us in a few years....
Wise comments Hulk:
"If you just consider for a moment, Edwards is the American….Democrat OR repug…that can get the most done for America. By that I mean “positive movement”.
Hillary is going to have the repug politicians ready to resurrect another gingrinch campaign of hate against her….Obama can be written off as the “inexperienced in the Washington ways” president. But Edwards can use those two and others to help stop the corporate corruption that is destroying not only our country, but the entire “free world”.
Hillary and Barack are both active Senators with power to expend on our behalf THERE. There is time for Barack to make his move. It would be nice to have a first black or first female in the White House, but it URGENT that we have some one that can put a stop to this corrupt and crumbling corrupt government NOW!!"
It a scary time to hear that Hillary has just found her "VOICE" in the midst of all these hype of racial and gender tension with Obama and the media oppression of Dennis Kucinich is in itself NOT the principles of a TRUE DEMOCRATS.
In the Democratic campaign it is embarrasing to see that the PARTY are just as devisive as those they criticized in the Republican Party.
The Democrats HAS LOST it SOUL........through its action it proves that oppressions and discrimination and divisiveness is CLEARLY not the CHANGE we WANT.
Dennis Kucinich seems to be the ONLY one that is the TRUE democrat.
Other divisive issues are being Clouded by all these unfortunate hyporitical behavior of the Democratic top-tier and the DNC.
PEOPLE need to pay more attention to the ONE VIABLE DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE that is being EXCLUDED..........DENNIS KUCINICH.
He brings to the table the TRUE PLATFORM of a Genuine DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
Dennis Kucinich is the potential PRESIDENT for ALL people.
Fly Yellowbird Fly!!!! Agree 100%
Yellowbird @ 122:
A press release from the Giuli Florida campaign office revealed that 'Rudy has just engaged Katherine Harris to service all our campaign workers so they'll be up and ready for the Florida primary'. Wow, that's better than coffee and doughnuts.
I wonder how many more tricks Rudy and Kathy have up their sleeves, or down their pantlegs?
I remember the 2004 V.P. Debate between Cheney and Edwards. Edwards got Steamrolled by Cheney. He let Cheney walk all over him. It made me ill to watch. I could not understand how he let this happen but I cannot forget it. He may have good ideas for challenging the corporate grip on this country but I have serious doubts that he has the backbone to carry them out.
Hey! Don't say anything bad about Tweety. You'll hurt his feelings.
I was thinking about Obama or Clinton but not now SINCE both fell for the CORP:., MAIN STREAM MEDIA race CARD they fell for it like two KID. I like John Edwards since I found out how much the CORP:., MAIN STREAM MEDIA fears HIM.
TimeForNewLeadership @ 128:
You must have been watching a different debate than I did. I thought Edwards did very well vs. Cheney.
Anyway, don't you think that Edwards has learned a few things in 4 years?
Kucinich , like Ron Paul, has been thrown down the memory hole, they don't exist.
Kucinich does not deserve to be ignored , either by progressives or the electorate at large. He needs to be included in the debate.
One can see by these right wing republican television personalities/achors their biase, when they report candidates whom obviously they like, but whom the people are not finding that likable. Its like Ron Paul, he beats Fred Thompson in polls, and primaries and gets ignored by fox news, as well as other network right wingers such as Joe Scarborough too name only one, the republican pundits whom are on CNN/MSNBC show their lack of real journalism when they expose their biase....for their personal favorites and prove how out of touch their bosses are with the people whom make their ratings, and whom should be the ones whom affect things..
NBC sucks ass.
I can't take the time this early to read all the comments. But thank you for linking to the Edwards numbers and the Firedoglake article. Have any of you heard about John Edwards daughter being in a car accident in Chapel Hill? She was hit from behind by a drunk driver and is okay according to something I saw by going to a local news site. I have yet to hear or see it on local or national tv news however. The press has consistently buried Edwards because they do not want people to know about him. I've been telling people that he is coming up in the national polls and they look at me like I am from another planet. Now I can send them all a beautiful article.
Johnny2Bad @ 106:
Yes, unsubstantiated. According to the latest mandatory filings with the FEC, the "going broke" Guiliani has millions more in cash on hand than Edwards. In fact, Guiliani has more cash on hand than everyone except for Clinton and Obama.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp
Let's see where they all stand after the mandatory filings at the end of January.
Hate to agree with Tweety [really!], but Edwards has always been in third and has made no headway in the primaries, fallling rather than rising. Rudi has sunk like a stone, but at least has a slight chance of regaining the lead he once had due to the chaotic nature of the Repug race with no clear winners. Before ducking for cover, let me just say I really like Edward's message...
The story about Edwards' daughter was on CNN this morning. Apparently she was unhurt, but the accident had to upset her parents because her brother was killed in a car accident.
Thanks to Phoenix Woman and FDL for the poll numbers. I've always liked Edwards, and I like his talk about standing up for ordinary Americans. Perhaps Matthews is deliberately ignoring Edwards because he IS a strong candidate. On the other hand ... nah. Matthews is just not that smart. Let him be wrong in a major way about Edwards, and perhaps his bosses will at least consider getting rid of him.
Can't wait to see what happens in primaries of larger states like Michigan and Florida.
Tweety is the typical Reslug that was born to habitually lie and tell untruths.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/MitInteractiveGOPPressRelease1_13_...
"Romney leads with 29% to McCain’s 27% with Mike Huckabee at 12%. Rudy Giuliani and Ron Paul are getting 7%, Fred Thompson 4%, and Duncan Hunter 2%."
The reason Obama was brought in so he can bridge the gap between the African Americans and the Caucasians. Since we have a divided nation, Obama, a muslim can bridge the gap between the Jews and the Muslims too.
That reminded me of Mohammed who went on his killing spree of those who objected to conversion.
How cool! Are we gone nuts to appoint someone for this cause?
EZ - Take your bogus talking points where they will be appreciated. I'm sure Malkin, Coulter, Billo and many other right wingers would appreciate your stupidity. We don't.
Tweety...The Tool that Drools!
John Edwards is going to win the Nevada and the South Carolina Primaries.Bill Clinton was in the same spot John Edwards is now,in 1992 he won Nevada and South Carolina.
TWEETY the TURD,that fellows the HURD.
EZ is SLEAZY.
We who support Edwards are truly grassroots,not the hybrid seeds with the megamoney of Obama and Clinton. We are spending our own money and time to try to educate America about our great candidate. Meanwhile, the slow and low-rated MSNBC is making him out to be the Not-So-Great White American Male Hope (sorry, Barack, I know that you claim to own that word). We will fight the hard fight until we either win or tie. Bring on a brokered convention for me! Edwards is simply put the best one for the job!
Why own a bunch of media outlets if you're not going to use them to get your guys in office, so they can screw the public to benefit yourself? What would be the point? That's the real power. Make Edwards, the best one, disappear, and nobody even notice it.
NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd and Marc Ambinder of The Atlantic have been doing rankings for NationalJournal, but heavily promoted and republished on MSNBC.com for practically all of 2007.
I bet Matthews' power rankings are more a reflection of Chuck Todd deciding that Edwards wasn't a plausible Presidential Candidate. Todd said as far back as a Dec 23rd MSNBC broadcast that there were only six plausible presidential candidates. Figuring that Obama, Clinton, Romney and Huckabee must be four of those six, I asked Todd which one of McCain, Giuliani and Edwards was not one of the six. Toddtold me that it was one of those three, but didn't want to say publicly yet since he still had to cover all of them.
Then after New Hampshire, he publicly stated that Edwards was the odd man out.
So, there you have it. Even before the Iowa primary, Chuck Todd thought Edwards had no shot at being president. And I'm sure his influence had nothing to do with making that a self-fulfilling prophecy ;-)
If Chuck Todd hadn't believed Edwards was a goner, you can be sure that Chris Matthews wouldn't have left him off his "power rankings."
It's stupid. Particularly considering that Ron Paul has gotten nearly twice as many votes as Giuliani so far. Todd likened anyone getting fewer votes than Ron Paul as being below the Mendoza line. But his lack of consistency when applying the rules (much like all of the MSM) doesn't surprise me. MSNBC yanking Kucinich from the Nevada debate, a few days after inviting him (citing last minute changed qualification rules) is another example. We'll see yet another example when MSNBC hosts the Republican debate in Florida on Jan 24. Go look at the candidate qualification rules for the organization that created this debate, and then watch what happens when it comes time to actually invite candidates.
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