Huckabee Wants A "Faith-based" Constitution
By Nicole Belle Monday Jan 14, 2008 6:15pm 
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(I)n Warren, Michigan on Monday, Huckabee declared his personal crusade to amend the Constitution by copying and pasting from the Bible:
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And thats what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than trying to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family."
In case there was any remaining doubt, that astounding statement eviscerated Huckabee's pretense of upholding the separation of church and state. In December, Governor Huckabee offered this charade on Meet the Press, words which obviously are no longer operative:
"The key issue of real faith is that it never can be forced on someone. And never would I want to use the government institutions to impose mine or anybody else's faith or to restrict."
As it turns out, using the institutions of government to impose his faith is exactly what Mike Huckabee has in mind. Quick to denounce sharia law and "Islamofascism," Huckabee is seems quite eager to embrace a Christian version of God's law here at home.
Please. Make. It. Stop. I hate to break it to the Huckster, but the Middle Ages weren't really that much fun. Why is it that the Republican Party seems to want to force us all back there?
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“Faith-based” Constitution?
Hasn't this ass ever heard that no two people interpet God the same way?
Wow, the Huckster's really gone 'round the bend this time. Can't wait to see of the MM has anything to report.
How about God and the Constitution just leaving each other the fuck alone?
You've got to the give the guy credit for being honest about what he thinks. He's honest, scary as hell, but honest.
Harvard divinity graduate below nailed it !!!
American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America
by Chris Hedges
Author: Chris Hedges is a Harvard Divinity School graduate, a veteran New York Times foreign correspondent and author of the National Book Award finalist for “War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning” and author of “Losing Moses on the Freeway”,
(Also his father was a Presbyterian pastor)
Book Description
Twenty-five years ago, when Pat Robertson and other radio and televangelists first spoke of the United States becoming a Christian nation that would build a global Christian empire, it was hard to take such hyperbolic rhetoric seriously. Today, such language no longer sounds like hyperbole but poses, instead, a very real threat to our freedom and our way of life. In American Fascists, Chris Hedges, veteran journalist and author of the National Book Award finalist War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning, challenges the Christian Right's religious legitimacy and argues that at its core it is a mass movement fueled by unbridled nationalism and a hatred for the open society.
Hedges, who grew up in rural parishes in upstate New York where his father was a Presbyterian pastor, attacks the movement as someone steeped in the Bible and Christian tradition. He points to the hundreds of senators and members of Congress who have earned between 80 and 100 percent approval ratings from the three most influential Christian Right advocacy groups as one of many signs that the movement is burrowing deep inside the American government to subvert it. The movement's call to dismantle the wall between church and state and the intolerance it preaches against all who do not conform to its warped vision of a Christian America are pumped into tens of millions of American homes through Christian television and radio stations, as well as reinforced through the curriculum in Christian schools. The movement's yearning for apocalyptic violence and its assault on dispassionate, intellectual inquiry are laying the foundation for a new, frightening America.
American Fascists, which includes interviews and coverage of events such as pro-life rallies and weeklong classes on conversion techniques, examines the movement's origins, its driving motivations and its dark ideological underpinnings. Hedges argues that the movement currently resembles the young fascist movements in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and '30s, movements that often masked the full extent of their drive for totalitarianism and were willing to make concessions until they achieved unrivaled power. The Christian Right, like these early fascist movements, does not openly call for dictatorship, nor does it use
physical violence to suppress opposition. In short, the movement is not yet revolutionary. But the ideological architecture of a Christian fascism is being cemented in place. The movement has roused its followers to a fever pitch of despair and fury. All it will take, Hedges writes, is one more national crisis on the order of September 11 for the Christian Right to make a concerted drive to destroy American democracy. The movement awaits a crisis. At that moment they will reveal themselves for what they truly are -- the American heirs to fascism. Hedges issues a potent, impassioned warning. We face an imminent threat. His book reminds us of the dangers liberal, democratic societies face when they tolerate the intolerant.
don't any of these fuckers understand the separation of church and state?
Sort of a response.
I live in CT. Not a Godless state, but an empty place, which is cold psychicly and literally, and a place filled with both poor persons and rich, educated persons.
People from the South and elsewhere in the U.S. instinctively dislike this place.
I dislike the Bible Belt (as a region, not as to each person).
Huckabee knows how to drive wedges. He has many opportunities.
Let Huckabee go up on a mountain--they have some in Arkansas--with a copule of stone tablets, and wait for God to send down the new, revised U.S. Constitution.
If only.
Shouldn't this automatically disqualify him?
sheer lunacy.
What's wrong with you folks? Here's the Compelling Case For Huckabee’s Proposal to Import the Bible Into the Constitution
Well, this is actually working out great (for us, anyway).
The higher-up republicans hate, hate Huckabee; Chuck Norris be damned. I made a saying that seems to fit the big Repub leadership (those that have and throw the big money) well in regards to Huckabee:
"(Republican) Evangelicals are supposed to get out the vote, not be the vote."
Most of the folks who are "I'm Republican only because it makes me money" or "I'm Republican because they are more bribable than Dems" are cringing at this guy's words, considering that it's making the thinking Republicans (yes, they do exist, see the above two categories) run like hell.
Also, there aren't that damn many people who'd want the Bible (more than likely the Old Testament) instead of the constitution, because it's been proven that when it's The Bible/Church vs. sex, sex always wins in the end.
Eight or nine times out of ten, this is the case when you ask people randomly.
cHuckabee electorally is toast (and Popey...er, McCain is built up), or the delegates will go into mass chaos at the RNC convo in Minnesota.
Trashing the Constitution already. w set a fine example for more of this crap.
Geez.
If that's what the fucking moron wants, he needs to buy an island and promote himself to Asshole in Chief. Then he can have his faith based constitution.
What a c**t.
:roll:
VietVet8666 @ 7:
you got that right.....and he's using all of them............and then some.this is so far out in left field.....it's come full circle...back to right field
What bizarre lengths these people will go to just to have their name in the Bible.
We need to amend the Constitution to prevent idiots like the Huckster from becoming President...
I just hope that Red Lobster has lobbyists ready to pounce on this. If eating shellfish becomes outlawed, they are screwed.
Huckabust is pulling out all the stops........He's Going For The Gold.....geeeezzz...fuckin mental case.And the scary part is......there is a % of the population that thinks he's right.sheer lunacy.
Don't diss the Middle Ages! The witch-burnings didn't really start until the Reformation. Before then, it was heretic-killing Crusades and Heathen conversions for Jayzus. ;)
God preserve us, this ape is dumber than the sheep at the Lafayette Zoo. I guess the names Cromwell, Hong Ziquan, Calvin, Mather, Torquemada, and Charlemagne mean nothing to him.
Ouch !! Cuts right thru the con-gobbledegook haze
Bill Mahr agrees with you !
video clip
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/05/20/bill-mahers-touching-tribute-to...
Bill Maher’s Touching Tribute to Jerry Falwell
Maher pays his respects to the late Christian leader.
"I know you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead, but I think we can make an exception because speaking ill of the dead was kind of Jerry Falwell's hobby."
This is a case why human being should come to grips with the importance of evolution. After that, it will be easier to come to terms with social evolution and drop the magic and mythology. There are arguments for its need to get society started, but now it parallels dangerous at the level of swimming in ones own poo. Some will get upset at that comment, bu it is no different than Voltaire articulated in "Cancide" 250 years ago. Its not good as a species to be individualy evolved and socially primitive. Remember, Plato, Buddha, and many others have been individualy evolved well over 2,500 years ago, but their socities all collapsed.
The Islamo-fascists will never get a foothold in this country whereas the Christo-fascists are here and entrenched. The Christo-fascists like Huckabee and his supporters pose the greatest threat to this country, it's constitution and individual liberties, than any other threat in the world at home and abroad. #1 threat to America are the "Christian" extemists.
Because that was the era of lords and serfs and peasants. And the rich ruled by their own decree, and the poor did what they were told. Or else.
Sounds like a Republican Neo-Con wet dream to me.
Why does he say change it to the word of a living god? Did the other one die? Have they got a new one now?
Obligatory paraphrase:
Nobody expects the
SpanishI would prefer that they not destroy the most important piece of literature mankind has ever written. Nothing has been the cause of more good or more freedom in the world than the US Constitution.
When I hear people use the phrase "thank a veteran for freedom" I shudder. Soldiers defend the Constitution. The Constitution guarantees freedom. When you right discrimination into that document then it has lost it's meeting.
Who's God is the right one?
reichwing nut fuck-everything-up suck jesus
christiansthey can't get anything right....are rewriting history to suit their needs.....and.......
they constantly are putting words into "god's mouth". now the fascists want to rewrite the constitution. why don't they just go somewhere else and start their own country.
Fuck the Huck.
Its obvious now...
I live in Michigan and I crossed over and voted for Huckabee today.
This crap needs the light of day and the spotlight of the real presidential campaign. There are lot of people, including a lot of people who go to church every week, who are fed up with the Christian right-wing.
Can't you just hear the gasp across America when Huckabee admits that he thinks humans and dinosaurs were playmates about 5,500 years ago?
Ya know...this is waaay past being funny.
Delete my post if you must...but ya know what...what the FUCK is wrong with this country?!?!
Fucking ignorant bastards. We deserve everything that happens to us.
WHEN FACISM COMES TO THESE SHORES IT WILL COME WRAPPED IN THE FLAG CARRYING A BIBLE.
You gotta see Bill Mahr skit on doin' the evangelical weather man..PRICELESS !!!
Real Time with Bill Maher: Acu-Wrath Weather Forcast!
http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/video/
Bill Mahr as evangelical weather man.
Once you are at his HBO video webpage,
there are 3 separate video catagories to choose from.
Go down to the 3rd "Opening Sketch" pop down menu category.. you'll find it there
It's the first choice once you pull down video menu
http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/video/
MSNBC sucks....Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski, and Willie Geist all made it seem so light on "Morning Joe" regarding Huckabee's sentiments over the constitution. Scarborough is an asshole. So too is Matthews and Tucker Carlson has no brain at all. MSNBC has sucked for a long time anyhow now....
Keith Olbermann is not so "great" either.
Keith Olbermann constantly has the likes of Howard Feinman, Richard Wolff, Andrea Mitchell, and Dana Milbank, on his show. Thus, Olbermann has the same Washington insider jerks that keep showing up on all the other crappy MSNBC shows. Other than his "Special Comments" Olbermann's "Countdown" show is not so wonderful.
When will Keith Olbermann put Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Scarborough, Andrea Mitchell, Norah O'Donnell, Tim Russert, and Willie Geist in the "Worst Persons" Category? If he has any "journalistic" integrity, the time is up already!
Even Christ advocated the separation of church and state. Or perhaps Mike Huckabee thinks Christ was being deceptive when he said: My kingdom is not of this earth. Christ the Redeemer has been usurped by Huckabee's Christ, Christ the Deceiver. Who was it who warned us against false prophets?
It's his good old down home boy personality that charms people into thinking he's just one of them.
They have been talking about what he said about the constitution a lot today on MSNBC. So it's getting out there a little bit.
The fact that he even made it this far in the campaign is frightening as hell, to me.
Mike is simply ON HIS KNEES and suckin that golden prong of the religious right. It is obvious that this JUDAS speaks out of ANY ORIFICE that will influence a vote.
I'm guessing that this will barely make a ripple in the MSM.
How come you can say something like this with no repercussions, but if you look for sex in a mensroom, its political suicide?
Liberal AND Proud @ 31:
This country needs a leader. A leader who will lead all those who feel as you (and I) feel to a place, like South Dakota, where such persons can work and agree to create a better society.
The internet age makes this possible.
chimpy the nitwit opened the door to this radical christianity,. we must get out and stop this nut.
So I guess we'll be sacrificing pigs and goats when the economic numbers look bad, and if the Dow tanks then we start sacrificing virgins.
"Why is it that the Republican Party seems to want to force us all back there?" Ummm so they can control us through fear?
And people ask me why I hate Republican...why do I say Republicans are the enemy of America.
A Huck-a-Buck? Who's god are you going to put in charge of America? what flavor of Christianity will hold the legislating power? Are you going to include heretics like Jews and Muslims in or are we going to the gas chambers?
This man is unfit to be a political leader in the United States and is clueless about equality in a democracy.
His statement shows a desire to undermine the constitution of the United States and should be responded to for what it is: treasonous!
pissed off patricia @ 36:
No, it is a measure of the intellectual capacity of the American public.
Will someone please kick this boob off the bus?
Put him and us out of some misery?
Not to mention free up a lot of 'god's' time, so 'he' can concentrate on meaningful crap.
Like determining whether the Pope really 'SUX', and what the meaning of 'SUX' is.
Where are the stories about Kucinich and the Nevada debate. Who needs the MSM when even our progressive blogs only cover HC, BO and JE. Way to go Dennis!
unfuckingbelievable................no really.sad
If Keith Olbermann has any “journalistic” integrity, then, Mike Huckabee belongs in the “Worst Persons” category tonight!!!!!!!
John @ 24:
dadams @ 28:
They already are. Google the "Christian Exodus" movement.
The Middle Ages may have had Lords ruling with an iron fist, but Lord and Peasant alike died from the Black Death. There may be something much worse than AIDS in the future, even if Huckabee gets his theocracy. When people start dropping and Ye Olde Danse Macabre is resurrected, and the Theocrat-in-Chief's prayers fail to stop the deaths of millions of Americans from, say, a mother of all flu bugs, the theocracy will begin to break.
Unfortunately, the cost may be high....
Preacher Boob @ 46:
By this time next year, the word "boob" will have been stricken from the dictionary. Never again will a person prick their finger. Never again will we be able to practice "oral" hygiene.
this guy has taken"go out and teach the word of god" to a whole different level.if he gets in office..we will be at war with islam forever.
No representation without taxation. If you want to eat at the government trough, you've got to pay your dues. Crazy mother humper!
Man, I bet they just love this stuff at the National Review
or at the Cato Institute...The chickens have indeed come
home to roost..
It's a weird reverse ju-jitsu, because for the Democrats,
you would LOVE to have Huck get the nod, cause
Obama, Edwards, hell, even Hillary with her negatives
beats the Huckster like a dog in the general.
After 8 years of Faith based Bush-y-ness, being the God candidate
this time is going to hurt you anyplace outside of the south.
Wow!
If that isn't the end to Huckabees bid for the presidency... then it's the end of The United States Of America...what's left of it, after GW that is.
gumby @ 47:
Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski, and Willie Geist were all making fun of Dennis Kucinich this morning and making predictions of how small in number his vote totals would be. In effect, they were saying Kucinich has no chance and made light of his being present at the debate tonight. To be fair Scarborough and Heist were the most critical of Kucinich while Mika Brzezinski sat there starry eyed as to be in agreement.
In short, Dennis Kucinich was mocked by the "Morning Joe" team today. MSNBC sucks….
WTF!?
I guess he could get hold of a copy of Jefferson's Bible
and repaste all the miracles.
Why is the Christian religion selling out to the far right and the gullible?...Didn't the Founding Fathers NOT intend for the US to be a Christian nation? Seems like based on how powerful Christianity is, it seems like spiritual extortion if it teaches hatred to "non-believers of Christ". So, since when is thinking logically, reasonably, and rationally associated with Satan (according to Christian fundamentalists like Huckabee, Pat Robertson, etc.)?
The standard for amending the federal constitution is beyond the reach of people who appreciate his statement. He is doing this to win votes. The GOP does it all the time. What do they really do about the social issues they run on? Nothing. They are better campaign issues than anything else.
Moralists of any stripe should be a major concern for people. People on the left (of which I am one) need to be careful with pushing back with their own morality. My concern is our collective right to be left alone.
The next president may appoint 3 new justices to the SCOTUS. A longterm counter balance is needed to Roberts, Scalia and Thomas, plain and simple.
I assume everybody here realizes that, as theocrats, evangelical christians like Huckabee are inherently and dangerously anti-democratic.
For these christian extremists faith trumps reason, and they don't abide by a live-and-let-live philosophy. They're gonna try to make you and me and everybody else get in line with God's Word, whether you want to or not, and if that means chucking the United States Constitution, so be it.
It's time to make these christianist kooks understand that if they want to continue to worship freely under the protection of the Constitution they need to butt out of trying to bend the government to their will or they will forfeit their tax exempt status. Start taxing these wealthy reactionary politicized mega-churches in the 75% bracket and let's see how much political power they wield.
Y'know how wing nuts like to point at people and say, "Well if you don't like this country, why don't you go live in CUBA!". Well I point right back at the religious throw-backs and say "Well if you don't like our constitution, go live in IRAN!".
The Draft Mike Bloomberg campaign has begun!
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The question in my above post (Who was it who warned us against false prophets?) wasn't rhetorical... I'm using my Huckabee Bible for reference and it is heavily redacted.
John F A @ 9:
Yes
Swashbuckler @ 17:
No need for an amendment. It's already covered:
US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Huckabee has made it clear that he doesn't want to defend the Constitution but change it. He can not take this oath with a clear conscience.
CD @ 1:
More to the point, the BIBLE clearly forbids combining religion & state. Why don't they ever read their own fucking book once in a while!?
Swashbuckler @ 17:
Just rewrite his bible. :(
These people have been penetrating government offices for 20 years. Of course no one knew who they were since they did it in stealth. Never mentioning their real agenda.
QUALAR @ 53:
Ain't that a bitch. If the religious right wants to control the government, they better damn start paying for it. Because these assholes sure do love their tax exceptions for them "faith-based" crap.
Slabo @5 has the same reference I was thinking of. Hedges warned that controlling the judiciary and ultimately changing the Constitution to a theocratic document, were the very top priorities of the far-right christian movement. Huckabee has now shown by his own words, he is from the same ilk as Fallwell and Robertson. The smiling 'man of the people' is a total facade - inside is another Jim Jones. These people must not be allowed into the WH, and we must root them out of every political office in the Country. The school boards are literally crawling with this vermin.
These huckabee words SHOULD BE A WAKEUP CALL TO ALL DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS OUT THERE!!!
If this asshole gets the nod on the Republican side, everything possible should be done to prevent his being elected president. How would you like to live in a theocracy that would have equivalence to that in Iran - where the government mandates everything that is done according to some fictional holy book?
Don't vote, and pay the consequences. Support ANY Democrat, whether you like the person or not. Warning!!!
MacDaKnife @ 70:
Jesus and money make a man speak in tongues
Scream out his lungs, roll in the dung
And when the song is sung, he moves up another rung
And the deaf and the dumb are the ones who get stung
Well, if we are going to compile a wish list for our personal constitution...
I guess I want a Constitution with Ponies, Blackjack, and hookers. In fact forget about the ponies and the blackjack...
John R. @ 60:
and he'll get them too. If he wins the nomination the rest of the republicans (who hate him now) will suddenly support him (i.e. help him cheat into winning).
Huck may be a goober, but he's not a fool. He will backpedal from these statements quickly and a week from now no one will be talking about it.
Nice to get a look at the scary man behind the curtain, though.
You gotta see Bill Mahr skit on doin' the evangelical weather man..PRICELESS !!!
Real Time with Bill Maher: Acu-Wrath Weather Forcast!
http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/video/
Bill Mahr as evangelical weather man.
Once you are at his HBO video webpage,
there are 3 separate video catagories to choose from.
Go down to the 3rd "Opening Sketch" pop down menu category.. you'll find it there
It's the first choice once you pull down video menu
http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/video/
I sure hope their will be a thread on the debate tonight. Maybe, we will be able to have an intelligent conversation on
C&L.
Why is it that the Republican Party seems to want to force us all back there?
Because they are blood thirsty power mongers.
Crazy. And stupid.
The crazy is obvious. But the stupid is probably just him lying for effect. To whit: Your living word of God has been changed every decade to be more relevant to religious imbeciles.
I seem to recall a time when every Baptist had the King James version of the Bible in their sweaty hands as they beat them in prayer.
I dare say nary a one of them has the sense to even get through a chapter of the King James, much less get it.
So don't come that tone with me, you Hayseed.
Quick! We need to hide the Consititution from the Republicans. Where is Nicolas Cage when we need him. Our own National Treasurer is going to become the National New Testament for the US if we don't save the Constitution now. We can all take turns hiding it from them.
If Huckabee can't get enough of that good ole' religion from the Constitution tell him to read the back of a dollar bill.
A Nevada Supreme court justice just over ruled the decision that Kucinich should be included in tonights Democratic debate. Must be a Bush appointment. What a democracy.
I think Christofascism is a much sexier word than Islamofascism, don't you?
Sorry, "I meant Constitution" not "Consititution."
L.A. Confidential @ 68:
I swear on the first reading of this, I read it as "penetrating government orifices."
Putting aside my dirty-minded Freudian slips, no wonder we're all feeling screwed with no lube.
Keith covered this tonight on his show.
There are plenty of shit-hole countries with faith-based semblances of a Constitution.
Just immigrate, Hukcleberry. Problem solved.
Does god boy think that hurling the country into the 12th century will stop the xian apocalypse and make sure the invisible wish granting fairy is happy when it ascends from on high?
This kind of delusional behavior isn't just frightening it's suggestive of a mental illness.
Mr. XXXX @ 34:
are we angry with keith? well, suck jesus. he heals all you know.
Well, the cat's out of the bag, and that's a good thing.
I sincerely hope this Christofascist gets the GOP nomination. Let him stand up in the presidential debates and tell America the earth is 6000 years old, and that Fred Flintstone and his pet dinosaur were real characters from history.
This guy is scary, but he represents the high-water mark of the evangelical movement. It's all downhill from here for the bible-thumpers. Most of them don't even like Huck because he's too much of a populist left-winger (!). They have jumped the shark.
After November, Huck will be looking for a TV preaching job.
NOW here is an issue for Matthews, Russert, Buchanan, et al to keep going for day/weeks/months instead of their fabricated little FIGHT ABOUT RACE! An issue all Americans had better give some serious thought to...right at the time when we believe we COULD get our country and Constitution back from the right-wing, Repugnuts...KILL ME NOW!!!
He's just wrong on everything. That's what fundamentalism gets for you.
The Constitution has weathered change a million times better than this "living word" thing he's talking about.
Fucknut, the Bible is not the Constitution. It's real simple. Go back to Arkansas. And go back to preaching to the rubes in a little church somewhere.
"what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards"
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
John F A @ 9:
Yes, it should
Liberal AND Proud @ 41:
i would suggest the bush girls, but we all know they are somewhat more than soiled.
I have no memory of anyone anywhere saying that we have to alter the "word o' gawd" to match the constitution ever.This is a truly frightening turn of events.And in regard to those references to the middle,dark or whatever ages,have no doubt that if this charlatan somehow manages to snake oil his way into office it will be much worse.
Somebody,somewhere,please put a stop to this madness!
Anyone ever told this theocrat moron that the Constitution specifically says there shall be no religious test? Good grief.
i thought kucinich was in tonights debate , obermen said a three man debate !!!!
tyree @ 97:
The higher court in Nevada reversed the decision.
Wow. What a wacko. He is completely against everything this country is supposed to stand for by wanting a Constitution written so that it would only make one specific group of people happy; everybody else can just eat it. Totally anti-american. SOMEBODY please remind this goon that we have separation of church and state for the preservation of both, even whatever edited version of the Bible he's reading from.
Repugs:
Reap what you have sown. You brought this upon yourselves.
(of course, with lunatics like Huck in charge we would ALL reap what you have sewn and for that you can go to hell)
Ron @ 98:
typical the nazi pricks!!!!!!!!!!!
What a nut
http://p2plendingwithprosper.blogspot.com/
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” - Sinclair Lewis.
I reckon the Huckster should start his Bible-as-a-constitutional-basis in Iraq.
No, hear me out! The country is f***ed & lawless and nearly the entire population has turned it's back on the Christian God and believes in a heathen God (which is in fact the same one, they just do it wrong) so they can be models for American Godless Liberals who need convertin'.
Then, once Iraq becomes the Christian Paradise( maybe a month later) that only Huckster can bring about, we do it in the U.S. and it can be done quick, cos we'll have made all the mistakes in Iraq & only have affected brown people, which doesn't count.
/snark.
Seriously, I think the U.S. Psyche is really, really bored. We keep toying around with lunatics just to generate interest.
bring it on, I say - America has had it's time in the Sun and it's all gonna be downhill (a VERY rough sled ride) from here on out.
I have a lot of tolerance but those who try to coerce others into their little fairy-tale belief systems
need to be snuffed out so they can be seated at Jesus' table as soon as possible.
watch for our SECOND civil war in, oh, five years or so.
You stated, “What we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards” – sounds like you’re getting ready to trot out that tried and true treasured trope of Leviticus 18:22 saying that homosexuality is an abomination.
But what we secularist would really appreciate is some advice from you regarding some other specific laws detailed in the Bible that you never seem to discuss. How are we to incorporate them into your newly revised Constitution (and again I’m quoting here) that you feel, “We need to do is amend … so it’s in God’s standards” – especially since I’m sure you’d agree we can’t pick and choose what we like out of scriptures like you are always accusing us liberal-minded secularists of doing.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, the Bible tells me it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them in the least. Should I smite them?
2. One of my friends would like to sell his daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Yale graduate, speaks fluent French and is very computer literate. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
3. Leviticus 25:44-46 clearly states that we may indeed possess slaves, both male and female (and we can even leave them to the kids in our Wills … in perpetuity). However, they have to be purchased from neighboring nations. A good Christian friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. I would much prefer owning a Canuck. So why can't I own Canadians? Can you clarify, please?
4. I know that I am forbidden to have any contact whatsoever with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness – even to sitting on a chair where she had previously sat (Lev.15:19-24). The problem at the office is, how is one supposed to know these things? It seems like merely asking causes them to take great offense.
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood activity?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality (s.v., your earlier Leviticus citing). Me? I’m not so sure of that. Is being gay or a crustacean cruncher-muncher worse?
7. Leviticus 21:18-21 has numerous restrictions about who exactly can approach the altar to worship God, but I’m focusing on the one concerning if I have a defect in my eye. I have to admit that I wear glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of the guys I know shave on a daily basis, get their hair trimmed regularly and some even have tattoos – although these are all expressly forbidden (Lev. 19:27-28). How should they die?
9. I know from Leviticus 11:7-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes a man unclean. So exactly what kind of brutal Biblical punishment do you think the NCAA and NFL should be meting out to all those big, burly football players? (And is wearing gloves, like some receivers and backs do, a possible loophole?)
10. My uncle has a farm. Year in and year out, he violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field; as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (she really likes that all-season linen and wool blend). Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:14)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family gathering like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
11. Big stones or little stones? I live in a neighborhood with LOTS and LOTS of stubborn and rebellious male adolescents. Although Deuteronomy 21:18-22 is perfectly clear they should be stoned to death, my question are pebbles or boulders the accepted mode? The scriptures are just not clear on this point and if we’re going to put it in our Constitution I though we should be a wee bit clearer.
Please, please, please let Huckabee win the Republican nomination - Mike Gravel could beat him.
McCain, OTOH, worries me. People are beginning to "feel good" about Iraq because the media keeps repeating the myth that "we're winning." He is the only Republican who turns November into a race - toss in the five votes from the Supremes and the US could be doomed to four more years of misrule.
Peoples Front of Judea @ 93:
One would think.
“what we need to do is amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards”
Why not amend the Bible to Democracy standards?
Why are over the top religious people so god damn crazy?
F**k faith-based anything to hell.
mudshark @ 19:
That's because that percentage of which you speak doesn't give a shit about the rest of us. Selfish, stupid and myopic to the core. And loony, like you said.
Gawd bless th' GOP.
Turn out the lights on the Age of Reason.
dmhlt @ 104:
Hahahahaahahaha!!! TOO MUCH!!!!!
SweetAtheist @ 108:
bad weed!
L.A. Confidential @ 68:
Heh, and those of us who have been pointing them out for those two decades have been scoffed at as tin-foil-hat-wearing alarmists.
There should be no doubt now. There is a Theocratic movement in this country. It has successfully infiltrated the Republican Party. It is huge. It is powerful. It is dangerous.
It is quite clear: The Religious Huckster is the Endarkenment candidate.
Who hates us for our freedoms now?
Stop the World I want to get off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
I'm ok now, thanks for listening.
Karen @ 114:
americans?
Bonkers @ 106:
Rememer, he is after all running for the repug nomination.
Look on the bright side...to collect taxes, ol' Huckster can pass around a collection plate to the flock!!!!!!
Bonkers @ 106:
Yeah, how would he be able to take the presidential oath of office if he isn't prepared to uphold, protect and defend the Constitution as written?
Someone please deport this idiot to Afghanistan so he can make his own Taliban state.
Fuck off Huckabee.
Not many people are going to become aware of Huckabee's extremism. I doubt if the MSM will give a rat's arse if he shits on the Constitution. They have been doing it for years.
[Let's not make jokes about torturing people we don't necessarily like. Thanks-Sitemonitor]
Annoyed Canuck @ 119:
apparently that doesnt stop some people...
Two things.
One, it always strikes me as odd when we talk about a christian country, our form of government (representative democracy) was created by pagan Greeks and the form of our legislature from the pagan Romans. All of this would not have been news to the founding fathers.
Two, when Huckabee starts throwing stones for adultery will Giuliani be his first target?
nonbeliever @ 96:
Uh, well, first of all, that clause proscribes disqualifying anyone from office based on his or her religion. I would imagine the Religious Huckster has not only heard of it, but will use it to his advantage. Much in the same way that Mittens perverted it to mean that we weren't allowed to ask him how his religion would affect his actions as president, the Religious Huckster will argue that he may not be disqualified for wanting to create a Christian Theocracy.
And actually, he'd be on more solid ground than Mittens. His desire to amend the Constitution does not (nor should it) disqualify him from office. I have plenty of amendments to suggest to the Constitution, some of which might be considered radical, but I shouldn't be disqualified from office for it.
But that's the thing: You can't really respond to the Religious Huckster by pointing out clauses in the Constitution. He has now explicitly said he wants to change the Constitution so that we can have a Theocracy.
SweetAtheist @ 108:
Why are all bachelors unmarried?
This guy is a nut job. And I am becoming increasingly convinced that the people that support him are also mentally ill. It shocks the conscience that a group of people who bandy the bible around like a sledge hammer but do very little themselves to live out its tennets in the ways that mattered most to Christ are once again going to impose their crazyness on the rest of their countrymen. I hope it doesn't happen, but I'm nervous. Because he starting to ramp up the siren song that they find impossible to resist (we are 100% right, "they" are 100% wrong ergo we rule everything, Amen).
getalife @ 122:
yeah ok....but Beck gets 55%.......
Ruthless People @ 23:
The islamists are already in the US by proxy. Creationisms new champions are extremist muslims. There doesn't seem to be much difference between a fundamentalist islamic state and a fundamentalist christian state, they are both designed to reach the same goals.
rommney btakes michigan
I hear money is to be changed also...
"In republicans we trust"
But I don't want to handle snakes and roll around on the floor.
tyree @ 129:
37% Romney
31% McCain
Romnet1st,McCain2nd,and Huckabust3rd...in Michigan.......HRC...takes Michigan.
This is why Bruce Lee found it necessary to dispose of the Kung Fu pretender, Chuck Norris. The world cannot tolerate those who would staple a Christian Happy Face onto every dog, cat and human. It is preferable for decent people to fight the evil ones now than to wait for their treachery later.
Gdeering @ 124:
Romney 37%
McCain 31%
Huckabee 17%
L.A. Confidential @ 68:
Its been more than 20 yrs!!!
here is john F Kennedy about 45 yrs ago on the subject of secret societies...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1710662559138481080&q=Kennedy%3B...
Ack. Formating.
Gdeering @ 124:
Too many people in this country cannot differentiate between a Christian Nation and a nation whose population is majority Christian.
As for the Founders, many of the ones whose names are well known (Jefferson, Paine, Madison, Franklin) were not Christians. They said so. Those that were Christians were of different sects, and were deeply afraid of being persecuted by one another. They knew first hand the tyranny of Establishment. Even in the individual battles in the then-more-sovereign states, Disestablishment tended to carry the day.
Ironically, back then, it was the Evangelical Baptists who pushed for Disestablishment. They feared oppression at the hands of their Anglican neighbors.
Captain 9/11 will have long been dead by that time, having already been stoned for cross dressing.
Bonkers @ 99:
When he and his storm-troopers are done with their dirty work, there will not be a separation of church and state. This does not stop with Huckleberry. Every republican is going to have to sell their souls to these people. Blackwater is their professionally trained army. This is very scary stuff.
rusty b. shakleford @ 136:
This is actually not such a bad development. Every single one of the Republicans is coo coo for Cocoa Puffs in his own peculiar way. And the party's electorate seems split among which is the least crazy.
Having the Republicans in complete and utter disarray going into the convention -- which could be the first brokered convention in decades -- would be great for the Democratic nominee.
Any Republican who has not by now decided to vote Democrat in this year's presidential race has something wrong with him/her. How is one to choose among:
The Religious Huckster
Captain 9/11
Mittens
Frauderick of Hollywood
Gone InSane
Ron and Paul Bearers
????
Bring back Crucifixion I say, nail some sense into them.
John R. @ 27:
You obviously don't know US history. The mischief that the US has brough to the world, through "Manifest Destiny" and anti communism caused violence and death on a scale that few if any nations could match. Try reading about the cladestine wars of the CIA, and US foreign policy since it's inception. Killing by proxy is still killing.
Andy @ 142:
Though one could argue that such things had nothing to do with the Constitution. In fact, many mark violations of the Constitution. Had we actually been following the Constitution throughout history, we'd perhaps not have experienced / be experiencing such evils.
Whew! Panic over. CNN just posted results from Michigan and Huckabee's back down in the basement (chattin' with his ol' friend Satan, perhaps) and Romney's taken the state narrowly. To hear the blather one would imagine Romney's victory constituted a major surprise though I would have thought with Romney's family history with Michigan, the narrowness of his victory over McCain would have been a greater surprise. What I really don't get is a chart which predicts a 61% victory for Hillary. The same chart shows a 7% count for Kucinich with 34% in the undecideds category. Obama and Edwards languishing together in CNN's undecided limbo. Sad or just more MSM editorializing?
Karen @ 125:
Why would he even need to use that provision to his advantage? Hickabee's theocracy amendment may very well obliterate that religious test clause. We don't know as he hasn't specified what that would mean, but I don't see how the religious test clause would remain in tact. Most likely under a theocracy, a religious test would be required.
As for what disqualifies him from office, that's a matter of opinion. As far as I'm concerned, looking to amend the Constitution to turn the country theocratic does indeed disqualify him. Add this to the list of things that disqualify him such as turning a convicted felon out on the streets leaving him to murder 2 people.
God will reincarnate Huckleberry as a three legged-goat in Kenya........He knows nothing of religion and does not adhere to principles that his religion is even based on.....I bet he thinks he is one of the 144000 people picked for the rapture. (144000 is really the amount of days it takes for the sun to travel around the 12 signs in the zodiac)
Andy, Andy, Andy, what poppycock. Of course there have been and always will be vile, unfeeling men (and women) who do not understand nor care a fart about the meaning and spirit of the Constitution. But to blame the document for the crap the U.S. has done is so off the mark as to call into question your otherwise impeccable record for clear ratiocination. American History is full of things that are ugly and detestable. The current Weanie-in-the-White-House is but the worst of a bad lot of Presidents -- and even good Presidents did bad things. But the evil done was not because of the Constitution, it was done in spite of it.
The Bible, on the other hand, recounts genocide in the name of You Know Who, and a case (maybe not ironclad, but nevertheless a case) might be made for the evil the US has done being caused more by the so called "Good Book" than by the secular documents of government on which this once Great Nation was formerly based.
That said, I need to know if this Huckabee story is satire or reality. Shuster mentioned that the video shot was taken from so far back in the room that you couldn't actually see Huckaface speaking the words. Is it possible that an impersonator overdubbed the actual speech to make the poor sap look like an anti-Constitutional moron?
nonbeliever @ 145:
He'll use the "no religious test" clause to his advantage in the campaign. He'll argue that people want to exclude him from office based on his religious ideas. And he'll argue that it's unconstitutional to do so. Romney plays that game all the time, showing that he really has no idea what the clause actually means. And the way you phrased your question (hasn't he heard of this clause) I wasn't sure you knew what it meant either.
Of course the "no religious test" clause wouldn't remain intact in a Theocracy. The Religious Huckster probably does want to get rid of that clause. And that was my ultimate point. You can't really respond to someone who has explicitly said that he wants to amend the Constitution in order to have a Theocracy by telling him that the Constitution mandates that we not have one. He'll just say, "Yeah, I know. And we should change it."
Well, sure, if by "disqualified" you mean "disqualified in the minds of voters." I was simply pointing out that the "no religious test" clause proscribes officially disqualifying anyone based on his or her religion.
And it is this very distinction that many people fail to understand. Mittens Romney very purposely exploits that misunderstanding. It wouldn't surprise me if the Religious Huckster does as well.
No argument here.
votingvet @ 147:
ditto!
...watch it Andy! most people (here) like the constitution...its the only thing that looks good on America anymore!
who is the guy that Ron Paul quoted from about how fascism will be introduced to America?
Go Huckabee!!! having Mitt or Huck in the lead is awesome!! Democrat landslide win in Nov
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