9iu11iani the big loser
By John Amato Thursday Jan 24, 2008 11:01am
...in the most (I can't tell anymore) boring GOP debate so far. He's in third place and does nothing to help himself. Another fine strategic play for his camp. MSNBC tried to say that the Republicans were using this debate to introduce themselves there. Ummm, I believe Floridians have computers, watch TV, buy newspapers and read our blogs. Did the candidates actually think that Fl. is so uncivilized that they knew nothing about any of them until this debate?
And they own the war. All the candidates except Ron Paul embraced Bush and his war. Most Americans still disapprove of the war and want us out of Iraq.
Update: Chris Cillizza pretty much agrees:
Two polls released in the last 24 hours showed the two men in a statistical dead heat with Giuliani and Huckabee battling for third place.
That Giuliani was unwilling to take any direct shots at his opponents seems to signal that either his campaign knows something the pollsters don't or that he is content to make his policy points and let the chips fall where they may -- even if that means a third-place finish, which would badly hamstring his chances at the nomination.
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Could Rudy's run all be a scam? Can he get creative with his campaign funds and enrich himself? He's also using the presidential run to increase his visibility for his incredibly lucrative speaking engagements. So it could all be PR for him. I bet he doesn't even want to be president.
Biggus Diggus @ 1:
exactly
Who says things are bad for Rudy? Florida’s Cuban Community ‘Embraces’ Rudy, Seeks to Trade Him for Elian Gonzalez
Yeah, this clown is still "serious" while Edwards could only get coverage by possible involvement in the disappearance of an attractive white woman.
Hamstring? What good would that do to a campaign that is a dead bloated corpse? The horse is dead, the only way it could slow any more would be to throw the corpse in a tar pit.
He already knows he lost and is just trying to make nice with the Party, so he can win those big consulting jobs in the private sector.
"Ummm, I believe Floridians have computers..."
Maybe; maybe not. Only some are more intuitive than the "butterfly ballot."
Don Davis @ 3:
I'd accept that deal! A good LHP is hard find!
He actually looks better as a ugly old woman. The more Americans get to know you Rudy, the more they run from your evil ass.
RancidVenison @ 7:
I believe, given the median age of Floridians, they still communitcate using two tin cans and some string.
I'm sure he's counting on a repeat of the 2000 voting fraud. I'm sure Jeb has him covered.
Katherin Harris being on his side + Electronic voting machines with no paper trails = Giuliani wins Florida
it doesn't matter if he is in 3rd place, he is winning Florida.
Is JuliAnna going to break out warbling his rendition of "Hello Dolly?"
The good news is Rudy can finally get the hell out of our state. Sick of seeing him and hearing him. Yeah, even living under rocks and sand, as we all do here in sunny Florida, we had heard of 9-11Rudy9-11. We aren't as fond of crooks down here as you might think.
Oh man, you HAVE to put this video up, ... Hilarious
McCain Vs Miss south carolina :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYl6zS-4zHY
Tim @ 11:
Jeb is a Mittens man. He has been doing some sort of consulting with Mitt's campaign.
Florida uncivilized???? Absolutely.
Take away Tampa and Miami and you're left with a backwards, redneck shithole.
Forget about having a computer. How many residents have a full set of teeth?
Watch for Rudy to be the A.G. pick for whoever wins the Rethug nomination.
He will rubber stamp just like Alberto.
If Americans have any sense at all (and I have my doubts) the the republican's support of the war should be death blow to every one of their campaigns, except Ron Paul's.
and just maybe YOU AREN'T LISTENING, the gop primary is probably
fixed like everything else the repugs do and rudy knows he is the
repugs candidate already in a surprise vote at the gop convention.
we know that only the most criminal win for the gop.
it's in the bag for rudy...........fixed of course !
After all the fanfare Faux News showered on Rudy, including Hannity's ass-kissing the GOPers are finding out Rudy is a clunker. The neocons and ultra wingers, (who had dreams of a Iran conflict and a Supreme Court packed full of conservative nut jobs)are finding themselves neutered. Watching McCain's rise is sending them into panic mode. Good. Hearing Limpball's raving is quite satisfying.
The Republicans fibbed in the Florida debate on exactly the issues where you'd expect them to prevaricate. Mitt Romney lied gymnastically to avoid his obvious reversal on abortion. John McCain played dumb about being dumb when it came to the economy. And the extremist Mike Huckabee tried to portray himself as something other than the religious zealot he is. As for the other candidates, Rudy Giuliani was true to form as well, seemingly on a glide path to join Ron Paul in lonely irrelevance.
For the run down on last night's GOP debate lies, see:
"Fibbing in Florida: GOP Candidates Stay Untrue to Form."
He knows he's boned, so now he's just angling to become the next Dick Cheney.
yikes.
The arrogance and utter stupidity of this campaign strategy will go down in history as one to AVOID at all costs for future Presidential hopefuls. If I were a Floridian, I'd be insulted that Giuliani would deem my state as the one he needed to stay in the race - the strategy insinuates that Florida voters not only don't know any better, but that they're the "go to" state for cluelessness and being used as lab rats.
Rudy's arrogance developed at first due to his being a frontrunner, but then as that dissipated and people in Florida realized what he was doing, they woke up and sucker punched his exploiting ass into third place.
NOW, Rudy is stuck sticking to a strategy that he knows is NOT working, but it's waaaaaaay too late to change course.
Bravo, Rudy! Brilliant, brilliant strategy! When you drop out of the race next week (due to "health" concerns), be sure to apologize to the citizens of Florida for treating them like hamsters on a wheel, you turd!
Not a Paul spam here, just an observation. When they asked the first round of questions, they went down the line, Romney, McCain, Rudy, and when they got to Ron Paul, they instead asked McCain another question. Then they skipped over Paul and asked Huckabee a question, before finally coming back to Paul.
Now, the only point here is to help end the debate over whether or not there is an organized MSM effort to marginalize Paul. There clearly is (this being just one small objective example), and seriously, only retards would deny it at this point. So the question becomes, who the fuck do these pompous pricks think they are? And do you think it's a good idea to let these dopey blowhards decide who gets a chance to convey a message to the American people in a presidential campaign?
I think it's a horrible thing, and the opinions of the Chuck Douche-Todds of the world are no more important to me than anyone else's opinion, so I certainly don't want them having ANY control over the process. But, thankfully, the reality is that they exist in a dying medium, and their influence is waning regardless of the stunts they try to pull. So all of these whorish insiders who are primarily interested in increasing their own power will likely fade into oblivion over the next decade or so as the truly free medium of the Internet replaces TV in importance.
Anti-Paul trolls need not respond. I care less about your opinion than I do about wormy Chuck Todd's.
I hope that Rudy does win in Flordia. That way the sh** show that is the Republican nominating contest will continue. It is not going to be nearly as entertaining when it is just McCain and Romney. With Aqua Velva Fred dropping out I am afraid that the others, like Huck-A-Buck, will drop out soon as well.
Florida and some other Super Tuesday states for the GOP side are Winner Take All delegate states.
Rudy is acting strange and is not showing any signs of stress or any signs of effort. There is more than meets the eye here, Saturday will be a day of surprise (or non-surprise for some people)
he could be 300th in the polls and the MsM would tout him as a comer. He could be 400th in the polls and the pundits would still want to publicly blow him.
mick e @ 23:
You might be right about that. Perhaps he is trying for a VP spot or a cabinet post. If so, he certainly would not attack too hard or too much since such an action would jepordize that... Good observation.
He knows he’s boned, so now he’s just angling to become the next Dick Cheney.
Due to his lame performance in the primaries, no candidate would touch Rudy with a ten foot pole - he'd be poison as a running mate.
Unpopular people don't win the Oval Office! Particularly exploiting, lisping weasels who have nothing to run on except the consequences of a tragic day.
Rudy is just biding his time, hanging in the shadows of the campaign and waiting for that Bin Laden Bump to give him that presidential boost. Why not, it worked for Dubya...
John Samsonite @ 25:
they are the owners of this country. they own the media and manufacture opinion and consent.
thats what you get, you libertarian fuck, in "free" market.
the outcome of this election has already been decided.
"Another fine strategic play for his camp"
I read it as another fine strategic play at being camp. Silly me
There is a Boogey-man. And he does live in the closet.
GAH!!! Keep showin that pic C&L...and LBJ (Little Baby Jeebus) is gonna cry!
The Truth Hurts @ 17:
Excuse me. Tampa? WTF do they have going on? Miami? You might as well be in Havana. I'm comin' at ya from last night's "debate" location.
tyree @ 2:
What he said!
LynchCheney @ 6:
just like he's doing with the current regime anyway, including consulting for terrorist-sponsoring countries.
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At this time, Hillary Clinton has a better shot at the GOP nomination than Rudy does.
Dr. Acula @ 36:
Eeeeeasy there people....actin a little like the GOP with your blanket assessment of Floridians....I live in Florida, and there are quite a few progressives, and the rednecks, while there are damn sure plenty of them, aren't so proud to have voted for Bush. And I've seen more than a few pick-up trucks, with the infamous "W in '04" stickers, where you can see they tried to take them off. I have seen very few pro-GOP bumperstickers for any of the new candidates the GOP is fielding this go 'round...I've seen dozens and dozens of Democratic candidate bumperstickers...mainly Edwards, Obama, and Clinton...pretty much in that order...and Miami is an awesome city. Tampa is pretty damn cool too...
Besides...rednecks are world-wide folks.
Dealing with Terrorist Sponsoring Countries and Organizations.... It's OK if you are a Republican. LOL. That is so TRUE. Sickening and unfortunate, but True. Ironic to say the least. They get away with it.
You make me sick.
Agree with the guys that say Rudy wants to be the next Dick Cheney. Imagine having your own bunker to hide in and at least two armies to play with! He could corner the protection schemes while Mittens saves the world financial markets from collapse.
Go Team America!
While I'm not a Republican, nor would i ever vote for a Republican even if my choices were a Repug or pure evil, I think Ron Paul is someone I would at least consider giving my vote. That exact reason, that a Democrat could potentially vote for Ron Paul, is probably the reason most republicans refuse to treat him as a legitimate candidate.
Teleken @ 18:
I'm thinking he might be gunning for VP...and hoping to revive his presidential bid in 4 or 8 years.
Who's in first/second? McCain and Romney I guess?
Nice to know that Giulia is doing so badly. Not a surprise though.
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The Republican candidates have no "fire in the belly". They're running like they're destined for the nomination and presidency. No effort required.
For a long time I still thought Rudy could still pull it off - then last night in the Florida debate, when John McCain went out of his way to compliment him I knew it was officially over for Mr. 911. I am NOT a Rudy fan, but I’ll give him credit – he didn’t go out clawing and scratching, trying to bloody his rivals. He knows it’s over, and that the voting Tuesday is merely a formality to confirm it.
Please refrain from putting Rudy in drag on the front page.
He's make all the other cross-dressers in the world look like freaks.
The Truth Hurts @ 17:
You sure have a way of winning friends. Is it a natural talent or did you learn it somewhere?
This comment is being written by someone who lives in Florida, but not in Tampa or Miami. Did you know there are other large towns in Florida? There are, and small ones too. This town where I live is not backwards and not a "redneck shithole". But we know how to be decent and not show our ignorance at every turn. We can perhaps teach you something about that, if you like. :)
marko @ 32:
Um, like a minute into that clip, George Carlin claims that we're the only species that kills members of our own or other species for personal gain. So, thanks for the link, but you'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to buy into those theories based on George Carlin's argument. Also, arguing against libertarian free-market principles because corrupt insiders are corrupting a PUBLIC POLITICAL ELECTION PROCESS is equally stupid.
Thanks again.
You know if we were smart, we could really see what this disgusting media is doing to our candidates on the Democratic side and rise up and slap the shit out of these people.
They are just not going to allow any kind of truth out because truth does not serve their greater interest.
Now Rudy is broke as hell, yet he is getting media cover 24/7 and so are all of the other broke candidates on the right except Ron Paul, who has more money then all of them, In spite of the very dismal right wing support on every level throughout this country, they continue to shove these people down our throats all day long and if they are not shoving them down our face, it is the Clinton machine, where one of them is trashing Senator Obama and the other is allowed to move on with the two party mystical so called campaign and their paid in advance media machine.
Senator Obama, has millions of people contributing $5. to $100 to help him with his election (of course they are lying again of how he really is getting it, but the truth is the light),never the less, he gets little or no media cover other then his paid for commercials unless they can stick a mike in his face to demoralize him with Clinton trash, they are not interested in the issues, just feeding us mess.
I am talking about CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and all of the Major National Networks, including C-Span are all teaming up on this mans bid for the Presidency of this country and it is clear in all of their coverage of this man, especially on the eve of a very important election in the great State of South Carolina. We are concerned about what all of the three candidates have to say about the issues, not just the one candidate they continue to wave in our face 24/7 as this mystical front runner, especially with so many important States to go before any kind of decision is made. They are covering all of her campaign speeches in South Carolina as if she is now the goodie two shoe and above the mess she directs her husband to take care of for her and not showing any of Senator Obamas messages of like wise. This is wrong also and they know it, but they think they are damaging him, when it's the entire Democratic party at stake.
If you think this is something, just wait until the general election as media is just warming up with this crap.
These are the very same people that are hugely responsible for this illegal war in Iraq and the division of this country, instead of working to heal it and show any kind of remorse for the dirty deeds, they continue on with these false free based polls and any kind of threat to this establishment is going to be trashed.
This is wrong and they know it but just like they laughed and played with these very important positions of responsibility they have to all the people of this country, they are taking billions of dollars in cable fees to use our air waves for the betterment of this country..
Now I do agree that Senator Edwards has also not been treated unfairly, however they are claiming that money is part of his problem, in addition to light support for his ticket (part of the support issue is also their fault), and if the latter is true, of his lack of funds, then how come Rudy and the rest of the right wing machine are doing big business on our buck?
American people are paying these huge cable dollars for these ass holes to spew us the shit they are classifying as political coverage and loose off handed disgusting campaign debates
Don't allow these tricks to fool you folks. This campaign process is also primarily controlled by this Administration, The Rupert Murdock/ Clinton Controlled Media and Big Business, who are the very same people enjoying the fruits of this entire country, off the skin of all our asses as a huge majority of these freaks they pass off as Democratic Strategist, are waving flags for the Clinton machine and not interested in the issues that real Americans want to hear before they make decisions on who they want to support for President.
My advice to Senator Obama and I hope all of his supporters convey this message, is he should ignore the very nasty disgusting antics of the Clinton team and move on with his positive message that has inspired the people from all walks of this country to his presidency, because nothing could hurt these people more then his positive image and message and I know how hurt Michell Obama is about the way the Clinton machine is running their campaign, but again they should stay above the Frey.
We have to start blasting and fighting these people in media at every level, including FCC, that is also the working right wing spin machine behind this crap
Rudy has been running for the VP spot for the past month
In 2000 I would say that no way in hell would the American people elect George Bush and, of course, technically the didn't but they did give him enough votes to steal it with the help of brother Jeb & Katherine Harris. It was a real good lesson in never say never. I don't think any of us should get too sure that one of these nutcases on the Republican side will win in 08. When you factor in the stupidity of the American voter, the voting machines that can't be audited and the media manipulation I think we could be faced with another Republican president.
pissed off patricia @ 50:
Exactly Patricia!
I guess they missed my reply to this post. I say pretty much the same thing.
Bud @ 8:
Unfortunately, we probably couldn't even give him away.
Tim @ 11:
Exactly. He has already been promised the throne by the neocons. (Payback for his 9/11 complicity?). Beware, Rudy will have a miraculous last minute momentum to win Florida and the so called pundits will marvel at the "turn of events".
I thoroughly dislike the man.
That said, can I just ask why the need to keep posting photos of him in drag? I get the uncomfortable feeling that, though it's perfectly legit to remind us of his and the GOP's hypocrisy on queer issues, there's an undercurrent of "bloke in a dress = something to laugh at". It worries me.
StCyrlyMe2 @ 52:
I agree with you about Obama. He needs to pay no attention to Bill Clinton and the experts. I am so sick of the media, expecially the cable networks. I lost all respect for Bill Clinton. I used to like him but no more. On PBS they had a special about Sargent Schriver the other day. It was about Kennedy and his vision of hope, the future, youth and the Peace Corps and a new day for the US and its relation with the world, the begining of civil rights and women's rights. I could not help but think about Obama and his message he is giving today. I was really inspired by Obama and then along came the Clinton attach machine and the "fight hype on cable news" between them. His message got clouded. If anyone has not seen the Schriver special on PBS, I sugguest you look it up. It will inspire you.
PBS Preview | Newsletter
... (CC, Stereo). http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/. American Idealist: The Story
of Sargent Shriver. Tuesday, January 21, 2008 10 - 11:30 pm ...
Does no one else find it hypocritical that the allegedly conservative Republican Party sports a blatant cross-dresser as a viable candidate?!?
Kaz @ 58:
Blame Monty Python.
GREG @ 59:
More details:
http://www.mpt.org/schedule/series.cfm?series_id=16531#177017
American Idealist" is a biographical documentary about Robert Sargent Shriver, the founder of the Peace Corps, VISTA, Community Action, Head Start, Legal Services for the Poor, Youth Corps, Job Corps and more. An all but forgotten American Today, Shriver's social initiatives during the 1960's helped shape an era and dared millions of young Americans to live out their ideals.
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Its hard for me to believe that my choices for presidet are: Rudy,MCain, Huckelberry,Hillary,Obama,Edwards or Ron Paul. I wouldnt want any of them running my neighborhood McDonalds.
Necadawg Says @ 64:
I am curious, who would you like?
Any suggestions?
I can't emphasize enough, the Empire days are over. We are in a decline that could be wonderfully transformational as we get to seek ways to make things work again.
There clearly isn't a single GOOP in the line up who isn't as rigid as a piece of cast iron. I have a feeling most sensible folks know this. The narcissistic angry white white man tax bitcher meathead vote will have very little clout in this watershed. Mr Meathead blew it. He shoulda listened to his honest grandpa.Oh waah, he can't buy as many meathead toys to puff his chest over cause of dreaded taxes.
If the asshole had a clue, he'd know his buttrape is due to Bush connivance to give the real hogs a pass and if they paid their fair share, Mr Meathead could go pump his dumb ass with silly toys no one in his world cares about.
All the Dem contenders show evidence of nimble adaptability to deal with how events will shape them in this empire decline. All are reasonably good improvisers. The GOOPs, by contrast are like creatures turned to stone by the Medusa. I am confident all are hopeless at adapting to the shithammer that is about to pound us, Paul included, bloody jacklit deer.
Hill, Barack and John are all nimble. Once upon a time learning from mistakes and adapting to change was a good thing. Now you get pegged as a flip flopper like you are supposed to still steer the ship of state toward the damn iceberg so you won't 'flip flop'.
Whatta crock. The GOOPs are doomed and will go the way of the Whigs and no amount of loud corporate cocksuckery will make a thimbleful of spit difference. Rejoice, be calm and get to work.
Bible thumpers have been so screwed by Bush that many are considering running away from politics and turning within. They are also having some transformational epiphanies that may lead to a discovery of the real Jesus.
The whole episode of Ghouliani visiting Sarasota Florida is a wonderful allegory for his campaign. He was to appear at Mel's Diner in downtown Sarasota, but in order to drum up a crowd for the news cameras, suddenly the "Naked Cowboy" is there, and sings for an hour or so outside the restaurant (and it was chilly that day!). Sure enough, he does draw a crowd. Even the nurses in the ER across the street were staring out the windows at him. Then Rudy comes (2 hours late) on the bus, does his quick meet and greet (he can't really say anything because he has no PA system) and off he goes. The next day, the restaurant is seized by the county, and the owner of the diner is indicted for non-payment of taxes, oh and he also hasn't paid his staff in a couple of weeks.
Nice pick Rudy.
I have a theory as to why Giuliani is doing what he's doing. First, his meglomania (sp?) convinces him that he could be Il Duce for America. But the fallback position is for him to get a lot of business out of this run. He always talks about "security" issues, a "security fence" and a "tamper-proof i.d." to keep out illegal aliens. He owns a "security" consulting company, doesn't he? Hmm, what's the chance that he wont' be lobbying for giant contracts to provide those very products and services? So his run, even if unsuccessful, is one big infomercial for his security business, just like Donald Trump's "The Apprentice" program.
The Truth Hurts @ 17:
Excuse me! Don't leave us in Fort Lauderdale included in your backwards, redneck shithole. Perhaps the western suburbs, but Fort Lauderdale itself is overall pretty progressive (Mayor Jim Naugle notwithstanding).
chervilant @ 60:
I dunno. Maybe we can take it as a sign of hope that at least ONE of them doesn't take themselves all that seriously all the time.
But, on the other hand, I doubt that's it.
DecemberistsPlan @ 44:
He may keep trying to distance himself from the business-as-usual party line of his current party, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere CLOSE to a liberal or progressive--or even centrist.
As I understand his stances, he's VERY pro-business, in particular very hands-off of big business, and his foreign policy sounds rather zenophobic to me.
I may have some problems with both Hillary and Obama, but I'll vote for either one of them in a heartbeat over Paul.
Depends on where you live. I guess Rudy hasn't exactly been BLANKETING the state with his ads or his presence. In Fort Lauderdale (admittedly a Dem stronghold) I haven't seen any of his TV ads or heard any radio ads in this area at all. Now when I spent a weekend camping just north of here (only a county away) I think I did catch one of his ads on a local TV affilliate up there, but down here in Broward County, nothing. (There have been a few Romney ads on the radio, but they've been geared towards painting him as big a conservative as possible vs. appealing to the middle-ground at all.)
GREG @ 65:
Dennis Kucinich
"I feel pretty, oh so pretty"
I wonder if Giuliani paid more for that wig than Edwards did for his haircuts? Not that it looks expensive.
@StCyrlyMe2
Thank you for saying everything I have been thinking...
The media favoring certain candidates over others and blatant censorship (ie Kucinich)could not be more obvious and I also find it very disturbing.
I hope you would not mind if I copy & forward some of your posts for others who would also greatly appreciate your message.... and also hope you will continue to be such a great voice of reason helping our best candidates to remember that a positive message looking toward the future and focus on the issues is in the best interest of everyone, instead of taking the bait and allowing their candidacy to degenerate into name calling and dirty tricks. The stakes are too high and we are in way too deep over our heads with the mess bush has made... to make a serious blunder electing the wrong person at this point can have profound and devastating consequences now more than ever beyond our wildest realization.
I do believe that more than any other candidate, Barak Obama has the leadership skills and fresh approach to undo as much damage as humanly possible (unfortunately, I have no doubt it will take at least seven generations or more of outstanding leadership and sincere intentions to clean up the bush mess... and way beyond the work of any single president)
Please People, don't screw this up...
The stakes are too high
PS I also watched and appreciated the PBS documentary on Sargent Shriver and highly recommend it. We do not realize how much his work has benefitted all of us in so many ways. The program is very inspirational.
http://www.mpt.org/schedule/series.cfm?series_id=16531#177017
Thank you and bless you Sargent Shriver.
Vanity Fair did some great articles about Giuliani
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/01/giuliani200801
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/06/wolff200706
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Rudys_princess_bride_wants_to_be_0730.html
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