Wow, that pretty harsh for dave! He tend to be reluctant about endorsing any politician. Just make fun of them like any other politician, but keep it safe. Although he had been targeted in the past by this administration, and justifiably warranted a harsh response for making his life difficult.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Scabs is scabs.
WTF is that supposed to mean? Stewart and Colbert are scabs?
I've noticed as well the lack of C&L coverage on these guys since their return. How dare you compare them with fucking Leno? The first poster was right, these guys have done no wrong to the writers. And to be honest, after being an avid fan for several years, and missing them while they were off, I find their impromptu, writerless version to be somewhat refreshing, if not as good as usual. They're still talented dudes. C&L should give them some credit.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Scabs is scabs.
WTF is that supposed to mean? Stewart and Colbert are scabs?
I've noticed as well the lack of C&L coverage on these guys since their return. How dare you compare them with fucking Leno? The first poster was right, these guys have done no wrong to the writers. And to be honest, after being an avid fan for several years, and missing them while they were off, I find their impromptu, writerless version to be somewhat refreshing, if not as good as usual. They're still talented dudes. C&L should give them some credit.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Scabs is scabs.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Scabs is scabs.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
Bah! No Kucinich to vote for. No Dodd to vote for. No Edwards to vote for.
The media has chosen who we get to vote for, and the people went for it.
The presidential election is barely started and it's over already.
The media will make sure we get to welcome President McCain.
And the country spirals deeper into the abyss with 50 more years in Iraq leading the way.
No wonder big pharma makes so much money off of anti depressants.
I think I need some now myself.
I ran across the preview of Alex Gibney's new film Taxi to the Dark Side about the brutal murder of Dilawar, the Afghani taxi-driver and the systematic torture policy under the Bush administration.
It looks like a must-see...the preview alone pissed me off.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
No ass, no stick up in there.
Miss Kitty, what happened to your ass, if I may be so bold?
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Scabs is scabs.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
Scabs is scabs, my friend.
They don't have to do anything; they're millionaire celebrities, and the network is nothing without them.
I'm surprised this hasn't received more attention:
WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite touched a nerve with Puerto Ricans on Tuesday when she called them "foreign citizens" in a news release.
Brown-Waite, R-Brooksville, was complaining about parts of an economic-stimulus package when she referred to residents of Puerto Rico and Guam as "foreign citizens."
". . . The bill sends hundreds of millions of dollars to people who do not pay federal income taxes, including residents of Puerto Rico and territories like Guam. I do not believe American taxpayer funds should be sent to foreign citizens who do not pay taxes. Americans want an economic stimulus for Dunnellon, Brooksville and Clermont, not for San Juan or Hagatna. As the legislation moves forward, it must be changed to ensure that only federal taxpaying American citizens receive rebate checks."
Wow, that pretty harsh for dave! He tend to be reluctant about endorsing any politician. Just make fun of them like any other politician, but keep it safe. Although he had been targeted in the past by this administration, and justifiably warranted a harsh response for making his life difficult.
Just stating it like it is. Unfortunately, it will be branded as political hackery by repugs. If GW got any dumber, they would have to perform the first pig to man brain transplant.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
No ass, no stick up in there.
Miss Kitty, what happened to your ass, if I may be so bold?
It brayed a couple of times, then keeled over.! Actually, I was just trying to make a point. As a (Really good) former union negotiator, and a person brought up in Dave Beck's neighbourhood and someone who was taught never to cross a picket line, I hardly have a stick up my arse. It's a fact-I knew people who used baseball bats on strikebreakers in the 30s on Snoqualmie Pass. But if you stand back and see what these baseball bat wielders gained for ALL of us, you (Meat) wouldn't jump to defend strike breakers so readily. Overtime for work exceeding 40 hours in a week, vacations, profit sharing, medical and dental care, maternity leave, breaks, lunches, all that shit the history deprived like you assume as an entitlement.
:P
BTW I was just coming back to say "What part of strike breaking do you not get, Meat?" Scabbing IS scabbing, no matter how noble the intent. I am glad people get to keep their jobs, but a scab is a scab. Contracts can be broken. It does depend on the commitment of the people facing the challenge. Far be it for me to tell Jon Stewart of Steven Colbert what to do, but why do you think you have the right (Meat) to tell the website owner here what to do?
When Stewart and Colbert do not respect the picket line, it makes Viacom and the rest of APMTP more powerful, and weakens the position of the WGA, the people who deserve fair pay for their work.
The front page of www.barackobama.com (past the sign in) has a great photo of... John and Elizabeth Edwards! Lest anybody doubt the power that he still holds...
We have to make John Edwards Attorney General -- he is right for it in so many ways. I especially like the idea because he is a Presidential competitor, so he is going to have the independence from the executive office that the job needs. He is so much the opposite of a Bush lackey like Ashcroft or Gonzales, and I think he has the skills to fix a Justice department that the Bush administration has so badly damaged. If it were an elective office, I'd be campaigning for him in it.
Bah! No Kucinich to vote for. No Dodd to vote for. No Edwards to vote for.
The media has chosen who we get to vote for, and the people went for it.
The presidential election is barely started and it's over already.
The media will make sure we get to welcome President McCain.
And the country spirals deeper into the abyss with 50 more years in Iraq leading the way.
No wonder big pharma makes so much money off of anti depressants.
I think I need some now myself.
The conservatives won't vote for McCain thankfully because he's a "liberal". Of the four that may become president he is fourth on my list for many reasons. One week from now Romney will be the frontrunner.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
Scabs is scabs, my friend.
They don't have to do anything; they're millionaire celebrities, and the network is nothing without them.
Did you read what I wrote? The people they have paid for years to run the cameras, handle the set, costume design, graphics, ad nauseam - they were all being held over the heads of Stewart and Colbert. In essence, they were blackmailed. I don't really understand the lack of support they are receiving from this website.
Bah! No Kucinich to vote for. No Dodd to vote for. No Edwards to vote for.
The media has chosen who we get to vote for, and the people went for it.
The presidential election is barely started and it's over already.
The media will make sure we get to welcome President McCain.
And the country spirals deeper into the abyss with 50 more years in Iraq leading the way.
No wonder big pharma makes so much money off of anti depressants.
I think I need some now myself.
Hearing 'The media has chosen our candidate!' gets a little old. Certainly, their coverage has been heavily biased, but then, Hillary Clinton is battling for first place even though various news networks dedicate ridiculous amounts of time to slandering her and smearing her name. Part of this reason is that millions of Americans support her. Everyone is so eager to shout that 'the fix is in!' simply because other people supported a different candidate, instead of appreciating that that's how voting tends to work.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
Scabs is scabs, my friend.
They don't have to do anything; they're millionaire celebrities, and the network is nothing without them.
Did you read what I wrote? The people they have paid for years to run the cameras, handle the set, costume design, graphics, ad nauseam - they were all being held over the heads of Stewart and Colbert. In essence, they were blackmailed. I don't really understand the lack of support they are receiving from this website.
Furthermore, they had permission to return to the air - they simply didn't receive permission from the WGA to get their writers back. The latter is a little silly, since the decisions regarding which late-night hosts are allowed to use their writers is an entirely arbitrary one, it would seem.
Finally, Stewart and Colbert have dedicated enormous swaths of time already to defending the WGA and harshly criticizing the production companies at the centre of this entire scandal. At one point, Colbert sung "Let My People Go" while displaying images of his various writers on-screen.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
Scabs is scabs, my friend.
They don't have to do anything; they're millionaire celebrities, and the network is nothing without them.
Did you read what I wrote? The people they have paid for years to run the cameras, handle the set, costume design, graphics, ad nauseam - they were all being held over the heads of Stewart and Colbert. In essence, they were blackmailed. I don't really understand the lack of support they are receiving from this website.
Yeah. I read what you wrote. That's how I was able to give you cogent reasons as to why I'm correct, and you are not. You obviously aren't reading what I write.
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
Scabs is scabs, my friend.
They don't have to do anything; they're millionaire celebrities, and the network is nothing without them.
Did you read what I wrote? The people they have paid for years to run the cameras, handle the set, costume design, graphics, ad nauseam - they were all being held over the heads of Stewart and Colbert. In essence, they were blackmailed. I don't really understand the lack of support they are receiving from this website.
No matter how you slice it, the WGA is getting screwed. I've stopped watching TV, and it makes me sick that the producers would be so damn greedy when they don't have the talent to put any of this together.
"..But more importantly, "bipartisanship" is already rampant in Washington, not rare. And, in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case."
"On virtually every major controversial issue -- particularly, though not only, ones involving national security and terrorism -- the Republicans (including their vaunted mythical moderates and mavericks) vote in almost complete lockstep in favor of the President, the Democratic caucus splits, and the Republicans then get their way on every issue thanks to "bipartisan" support. That's what "bipartisanship" in Washington means."
Wed, 01/30/2008 - 00:22 — ROM Spaceknight (not verified)
i'm sick of hearing how bill clinton was the 1st black president. what a load of horse$#!+. no one ever discriminated against bubba. bubba has been an establishment insider for decades, that's how he got to be president in the 1st place.
They don't have to do anything; they're millionaire celebrities, and the network is nothing without them.
Did you read what I wrote? The people they have paid for years to run the cameras, handle the set, costume design, graphics, ad nauseam - they were all being held over the heads of Stewart and Colbert. In essence, they were blackmailed. I don't really understand the lack of support they are receiving from this website.
Yeah. I read what you wrote. That's how I was able to give you cogent reasons as to why I'm correct, and you are not. You obviously aren't reading what I write.
If the union said it was alright for them to return, then they are not scabs. That's the problem with Miss Kitty's argument: they had the union's okay.
"..But more importantly, "bipartisanship" is already rampant in Washington, not rare. And, in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case."
"On virtually every major controversial issue -- particularly, though not only, ones involving national security and terrorism -- the Republicans (including their vaunted mythical moderates and mavericks) vote in almost complete lockstep in favor of the President, the Democratic caucus splits, and the Republicans then get their way on every issue thanks to "bipartisan" support. That's what "bipartisanship" in Washington means."
check it
That is totally accurate! In the Senate, Democrats couldn't strip away any of the Republicans and have to try to woo Lieber-fucking-man; yet when things don't get accomplished, its the Dems that get blamed. You'd think there would be a Republican with a conscience among the 49 of them. I think its half that the moderate Republicans are ball-less Specter-ites, and half that the Republicans have worke so hard with the Delay sticks and the Cunningham carrots, that they've beat the ranks into submission.
Did you read what I wrote? The people they have paid for years to run the cameras, handle the set, costume design, graphics, ad nauseam - they were all being held over the heads of Stewart and Colbert. In essence, they were blackmailed. I don't really understand the lack of support they are receiving from this website.
Yeah. I read what you wrote. That's how I was able to give you cogent reasons as to why I'm correct, and you are not. You obviously aren't reading what I write.
If the union said it was alright for them to return, then they are not scabs. That's the problem with Miss Kitty's argument: they had the union's okay.
Then the union is cutting its own throat. And it wouldn't be the first time.
Tom Wood @ 49 Says:
If the union said it was alright for them to return, then they are not scabs. That’s the problem with Miss Kitty’s argument: they had the union’s okay.
Whaaaa? Got a link to that? I don't believe that's true.
i'm sick of hearing how bill clinton was the 1st black president. what a load of horse$#!+. no one ever discriminated against bubba. bubba has been an establishment insider for decades, that's how he got to be president in the 1st place.
Yeah, I don't get it. Good old boy from Arkansas can feel your pain, right? But the fucker went to Oxford and he knows on which side the bread is buttered - ask him about NAFTA.
Tom Wood @ 49 Says:
If the union said it was alright for them to return, then they are not scabs. That’s the problem with Miss Kitty’s argument: they had the union’s okay.
Whaaaa? Got a link to that? I don't believe that's true.
I couldn't find anything. In fact, I found the opposite. I did hear the Union gave dispensation to the Grammys, but I find that to be odious. If they keep moving the line, the camel will be in the tent, and the WGA will be out in the desert sandstorm.
Wed, 01/30/2008 - 00:49 — ROM Spaceknight (not verified)
hey, does anyone know if the two-headed hilldebeast scheduled a press conference to sob in front of the cameras after obama whupped it in south carolina by a greater than 2 to 1 margin?
gosh, i feel so sad for hilldebeast.
hankies for hilldebeast. what a noble cause. and what a brilliant way to run a country.
why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A daily show and the colbert report? it isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
i agree w/miss kitty at 16: scabs is scabs.
more to the point, stewart and colbert could have said to comedy central, "hey, instead of threatening your employees w/joblessness, why don't you turn around and tell your bosses at viacom to get off their high horses and go back to the negotiating table w/the writers guild, who have been willing to negotiate for the past two months?
why don't you tell your bosses to read the recent bear stearns report that concluded that if the producers gave the writers guild everything they were asking for, and even factored in similar concessions for the directors guild and screen actors guild contracts, the resulting expediture would be less than 1% of the annual earnings for the studios?
yes, there is some terrible collateral damage across the below the line board for people who are missing incomes, and, yes, the production staffs of tds and colbert report would have been part of that collateral damage.
but every strike is about sacrificing the short term for the long term (not even mentioning that residuals from auxillary media currently feed into the pension funds for iatse and other btl unions; ergo their stakes in new media negotiations are obvious); and in point of fact, again i remind you to remind jon and stephen to remind comedy central to remind viacom that it wasn't the writers who closed down negotiations. it was the producers, when they walked away from the table refusing to talk.
This is a discussion of legal issues related to lawfully arresting, indicting, and prosecuting a sitting President. Those who are threatening Vermonters for discussing this approach haven't considered the legal options: Congressional inaction does not oblige the states to also do nothing.
mrplow @ 20:
and to be honest, after being an avid fan for several years, and missing them while they were off, i find their impromptu, writerless version to be somewhat refreshing, if not as good as usual. they're still talented dudes. c&l should give them some credit.
if you think they're making up what they are doing on the spot, i've got a bridge to sell you.
stewart, colbert and leno are all in the writers guild. the first rule of the writers guild's strike (or any union's strike) is that you may not do any work covered by the currently negotiated contract while the union is on strike.
improvising is in a gray enough area that, even as a writer (tho i'm not in the guild) and actor and especially as improvisor, i'm willing to give them a pass if they improvise.
but the minute they put pen to paper and remember the punchling to repeat later, they are writing, they are doing struke work, they are crossing the picket line, they are scabs.
as an example, in the previous writers strike in the 80's, letterman still went on, but he did no monologue, he did no sketches, he just did weird, uninteresting (but unwritten) crap, like getting a shave on stage.
they are scabs, they don't deserve our support. the strike is hard on thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of working people in the industry, these guys don't get a pass because they've been progressive in their punchlines.
Miss Kitty, what happened to your ass, if I may be so bold?
It brayed a couple of times, then keeled over.! Actually, I was just trying to make a point. As a (Really good) former union negotiator, and a person brought up in Dave Beck's neighbourhood and someone who was taught never to cross a picket line, I hardly have a stick up my arse. It's a fact-I knew people who used baseball bats on strikebreakers in the 30s on Snoqualmie Pass. But if you stand back and see what these baseball bat wielders gained for ALL of us, you (Meat) wouldn't jump to defend strike breakers so readily. Overtime for work exceeding 40 hours in a week, vacations, profit sharing, medical and dental care, maternity leave, breaks, lunches, all that shit the history deprived like you assume as an entitlement.
:P
BTW I was just coming back to say "What part of strike breaking do you not get, Meat?" Scabbing IS scabbing, no matter how noble the intent. I am glad people get to keep their jobs, but a scab is a scab. Contracts can be broken. It does depend on the commitment of the people facing the challenge. Far be it for me to tell Jon Stewart of Steven Colbert what to do, but why do you think you have the right (Meat) to tell the website owner here what to do?
When Stewart and Colbert do not respect the picket line, it makes Viacom and the rest of APMTP more powerful, and weakens the position of the WGA, the people who deserve fair pay for their work.
...but, but, but think of the children, and the kitties.
Nobody is willing to take a stand. That is why the middle class is going the way of the dodo. And I agree 100% with you miss kitty.
gawd i used to have a huge crush on alan rosenberg. how fab he's sag pres.
he's actually a big part of why this strike is holding together so well. alan and patrick verrone (prez of wga) began informal meetings (lunches, actually) months before the current negotiations. heretofore the two unions never were on the same page, but this time they have realized that if the two unions support each other's negotiations (our sag contact is up in june) the producers will have to take notice.
and, imo, it's working. the reason the producers have made overtures for informal talks to resume (currently going beginning on this week) is because the golden globes were shut down. having shown that it can be done, the producers are now quite aware that the oscars could be next, and yes, the two guilds will be happy to do it.
and beyond just a night of boobs and speeches, the oscars is $$$. the advertising revenue on the oscars broadcast is second only to the superbowl.
the producers have realized that we're not divided and won't run away w/our tails between our legs. there is a reason unions work. united we stand, divided we fall, as the saying goes.
and when i see alan rosenberg again, miss kitty, i'll be sure to tell him you've got a crush on him!
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
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I am sorry, but did anybody other than political bloggers actually watch the SOTU?
I watched it. It was like his "I Have a Dream" speech. It was definitely his dream. What a stupid idiot. It would be funny if he didn't invoke thousands of deaths and maiming throughout the world.
I could have sworn chimpy said something like, people are starving in Africa and we must buy their crops to prevent famine and to stimulate their economy. WTF?
This happened during Perot's run. I saw Perot use his pointer equipped with a reptile's paw at the end (it looked real) to point to his many graphs.
oh well...
Why isn't the media covering the repug debates as heavily as they do the Dem?
Also I believe repugs are hoping for Obama's win "praying" the old white racist assholes (young and old) will win them for another 4 year to play with the devil.
One small thing:
Dems won't produce "terrorist" playing cards.
I like all this talk about the writer's strike. It is interesting for someone who doesn't know much about that. And I am glad C&L seems to be respecting the writer's strike as well. Hopefully that link is correct and the strike is nearing resolution.
The New York Times article is an important story as well. Peace.
gawd i used to have a huge crush on alan rosenberg. how fab he's sag pres.
he's actually a big part of why this strike is holding together so well. alan and patrick verrone (prez of wga) began informal meetings (lunches, actually) months before the current negotiations. heretofore the two unions never were on the same page, but this time they have realized that if the two unions support each other's negotiations (our sag contact is up in june) the producers will have to take notice.
and, imo, it's working. the reason the producers have made overtures for informal talks to resume (currently going beginning on this week) is because the golden globes were shut down. having shown that it can be done, the producers are now quite aware that the oscars could be next, and yes, the two guilds will be happy to do it.
and beyond just a night of boobs and speeches, the oscars is $$$. the advertising revenue on the oscars broadcast is second only to the superbowl.
the producers have realized that we're not divided and won't run away w/our tails between our legs. there is a reason unions work. united we stand, divided we fall, as the saying goes.
and when i see alan rosenberg again, miss kitty, i'll be sure to tell him you've got a crush on him!
HAD a crush. It evaporated when I found out he married the fabulous Marg Helgenberger. But I loved him all over again as the a-hole attorney on CSI. If he were single again-ha cha cha cha! :P But I wouldn't wish it for him...You can tell him that! :) And thank him for me, and everyone else. Even people who still don't get it.
Miss Kitty, what happened to your ass, if I may be so bold?
It brayed a couple of times, then keeled over.! Actually, I was just trying to make a point. As a (Really good) former union negotiator, and a person brought up in Dave Beck's neighbourhood and someone who was taught never to cross a picket line, I hardly have a stick up my arse. It's a fact-I knew people who used baseball bats on strikebreakers in the 30s on Snoqualmie Pass. But if you stand back and see what these baseball bat wielders gained for ALL of us, you (Meat) wouldn't jump to defend strike breakers so readily. Overtime for work exceeding 40 hours in a week, vacations, profit sharing, medical and dental care, maternity leave, breaks, lunches, all that shit the history deprived like you assume as an entitlement.
:P
BTW I was just coming back to say "What part of strike breaking do you not get, Meat?" Scabbing IS scabbing, no matter how noble the intent. I am glad people get to keep their jobs, but a scab is a scab. Contracts can be broken. It does depend on the commitment of the people facing the challenge. Far be it for me to tell Jon Stewart of Steven Colbert what to do, but why do you think you have the right (Meat) to tell the website owner here what to do?
When Stewart and Colbert do not respect the picket line, it makes Viacom and the rest of APMTP more powerful, and weakens the position of the WGA, the people who deserve fair pay for their work.
...but, but, but think of the children, and the kitties.
Nobody is willing to take a stand. That is why the middle class is going the way of the dodo. And I agree 100% with you miss kitty.
I tell you what you watch A Daily Show tonight you just might be happy he is back on again, especially durring election season. Tonights guest segment with Peggy Noonan was Crossfire-esque; incidently, I think Jon Stewart officially-unofficially endorsed John Edwards endorsing Barack Obama.
Petition, write, call, scream. When you are done and they are still in control take a breath and look around. Nothing has changed. We cooperate too much.
I was told in grade school 40 years ago to write my Congressman.
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
America.
You lost me.
The system never included me. I became much more at ease and happy when I came to realise that. And I quit settling decades ago.
Remove Pelosi and install Britney or Whoopie, or take your pick. Find someone with a great big smile or someone who walks with a limp. At least make it interesting.
Bah! No Kucinich to vote for. No Dodd to vote for. No Edwards to vote for.
The media has chosen who we get to vote for, and the people went for it.
The presidential election is barely started and it's over already.
The media will make sure we get to welcome President McCain.
And the country spirals deeper into the abyss with 50 more years in Iraq leading the way.
No wonder big pharma makes so much money off of anti depressants.
I think I need some now myself.
You are 100% dead-on! With the country headed for Great Depression II, our choices are more of the same, or more of the same. If we don't want corporate McInsane, then we can vote for corporate Hillary, or corporate Obama. Brought to you by the corporate MSM.
I guess the only anti-corporate fascist party left may be the Green ticket, which is where my vote will be going. Apparently, the dumbasses in this country still have not figured it out yet. They really need another four years of trickle down poverty, homelessness, and economic misery before they will put two and two together. Sad!
Why do people keep saying Obama is corporate? I understand the criticisms of the Republicans for going along with Bush. That is enough right there. I understand the criticisms of Hillary for being the Establishment candidate since she was in the White House for 8 years already. But I don't understand why people say corporate Obama. He never worked for the big corporations or served on their boards from what I can tell. I'm sure he's gotten some donations, but isn't there a limit on those. And he has said he doesn't take money from PAC's or whatever. Anyway. I just think he is about as least "corporate" as a person can be when effectively running for President.
Remove Pelosi and install Britney or Whoopie, or take your pick.
Hoyer will enjoy your jokes as he becomes Speaker.
Entrenching the DLC further into power in the Congress is the real key to improving the situation. Those corporate-wing Democrats are certain to reward you.
Hillary & Bill are gonna get ripped to pieces tomorrow by the NYT, who just endorsed her haha. Bye bye Hillary, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
America.
You lost me.
Dang, xoites, come back. :)) You can find personal serenity, and yet still contribute to this Kafkaesque chess game of politics, right?
I'm partial to voters who are aware of the Constitution.
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
America.
You lost me.
I'm afraid this is pretty much where I am now, too. We're at the point where these "elections" are really nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Another instance of false flag terrorism is revealed and written about in The Sunday Times
Hah! The concensus (reported to the media) at the time was that it were seals and sea otters that produced those sonar sounds.
Good thing we don't scare easily and cry wolf (or, if we had an army, invade the suspect nation) without researching every possibility and try to get pure facts.
But ofc, the stranded submarine incident kept us on our toes.
NYT plays Clue.
Bill Clinton, in central Asia with venture capitalists, peddling influence.
I cant wait. "I did not have financial relations with that man."
Wed, 01/30/2008 - 05:57 — One Year Wonder (not verified)
If he's so stupid, then how come
1) no one in his administration is in jail
2) in fact, most of them are cashing in huge now that they're at an end
3) most everyone (big oil, defense, wall street, insurance, big pharma) who paid into Bushco is getting PAID
4) the democratic congress hasn't accomplished jack SHIT
Go ahead, call him a dumbass while he and his cronies steal our money and retire to gated communities in 3rd world countries during this last year. We so smrt!
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
America.
You lost me.
I feel much the same way here and have for a long time. It was over 25 years ago now that a political campaign rolled into town and set up their media circus and their make believe mythos in order to elect their pre-chosen golden asshole and I've never gotten over it. That people will dance to whatever tune they play, believe whatever lies they are told and come back for more. It's not a "process" it's a dog and pony show with the winner getting the spoils... our lives, our futures, our freedom.
Congrats. We're all indentured servants and they did it without anyone noticing.
Bush and his cronies have turned us into a 3rd World Country:
economy -- jobs outsourced, industrial base gone, deflated currency education -- not competitive in global market health -- 40 million w/or access; child mortality rate wealth - concentrated in the hands of a small elite Internally displaced populations - NOLA! environment -- degradation; unregulated oil drilling in alaska and the gulf; massive fires, floods etc. Democracy - corrupted elections and officials; weak independent media; politicians pitting ethnic groups against eachother; Military - bloated budget; at war with other countries National Debt- CHINA! SAUDI ARABIA!
Just like a third world country other countries' citizens are appropriating our businesses, buying up property and coming over as "tourists" because of the cheap dollar.
Exactly WHAT does this administration, its officials or any of its supporters have to offer this country?
The Iraq "Security Improvement" Charade - http://www.populistamerica.com/the_iraq_charade
It seems odd that the bulk - if not the entirety - of reports on the improvement in security in Iraq are predicated principally on information released by the US military, Iraqi official sources or willing collaborates of both (conformist Shia sources, tribal Sunni leaders).
FBI Probes 14 Companies Over Home Loans - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/29/fbi-probes-14-companies-o_n_839...
The FBI on Tuesday said it is investigating 14 companies for possible accounting fraud, insider trading or other violations in connection with home loans made to risky borrowers.
Call it the 'S&L' scandal of the 00's...
"Barack Obama on Tuesday night aimed to scrub Tony Rezko's taint off his political fund-raising machine, saying he's identified all remaining donations to his U.S. Senate campaign that are tied to the indicted businessman and is donating them to charity."
- http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/766605,CST-NWS-obama30.article
Media Matters: Fox News is in for a very rough 2008 - http://mediamatters.org/columns/200801290001?f=h_column
Ms. R.j. Crane: If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, Bush and the neocons won't be held responsible for lying us into war... nor for that matter, committing many other serious crimes
- http://www.topplebush.com/oped4781.shtml
Editors note: While this piece is critical of Hillary Clinton it will be the position of this website to support the Democratic Presidential nominee over any of the GOP candidates. We urge our viewers to do the same no matter what your feelings are during the primaries.
The main goal is winning back the White House and preventing the GOP from getting there because we know any of the GOP presidential candidates would be much worse than the worst Democratic candidate could ever be.
Edwards bows out, but hopefully he's not done with politics -- Be-Elected - http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/election08/049
Here we go again, 2000 REDUX: Ralph Nader is "Flirting" with Running for President in 2008. Why Couldn't we Wake Up and Learn that Gore is Running? Now that Would be a Dream Come True.
- http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4215961&page=1
Note to the 'Naderites' out there.....I don't want John McCain to be president, because it will be another 4 years of GWBush and his uber-destructive policies.... McCain = Bush
Financial Times of London: "US funds madrassas in Afghanistan." In parts of eastern Afghanistan, US soldiers distribute copies of the Koran and “mosque refurbishment kits” that include sound systems powered by solar panels and prayer rugs.
- http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d1b9e546-ceb4-11dc-877a-000077b07658.html
Apparently the Republicans/GOP feel Solar power is good enough for Afghans...but not Americans....hmmm....
"Elizabeth B. Moynihan, the widow of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the New York senator who, from a hayfield on his upstate farm, helped shepherd Hillary Rodham Clinton into his Senate seat, has endorsed Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination."
- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31moynihan.html
Being a rookie blogger at this political stuff is sometimes very interesting. As one views the Media and the interpretations one can figure that our own deductions, with collection around the Internet, can be very alarming and competitive to a lot of seasoned professionals in Mainstream Media Journalism. What’s really fun is if those of us on the outside, here on Crooks and Liars, can watch Americas Mainstream Media corporate mold make their moves through public manipulation or any possible deception abusing the electromagnetic public domain.
Sometimes then all of a sudden, if like lighting or by a miracle, along with good faith research with an honest direction an ideal emerges that changes the shape of issues, from a warm and fuzzy thing, to a real crooks and liar likely hood.
The issues before America in the presidential election stir the passions that may over look the intrinsic values that were considered good ideals, but really secretly extend perhaps deceptively, today more then ever by educated cover ups done by experienced legal side steppers to avoid being discovered in plain old fashion corruption.
So, Whats my point? Two huge issues that have illuminated about Barrack Hussein Obama which are chilling and alarming that is deliberately avoided by Mainstream Media in the same sense and content that Bush and Company is not and has not been challenged by Americas National Media for years. Sadly, also the complicity with a lot of long timer Politicians already ignoring the Constitutional values, but are tweaked by Mainstream Journalists in personal struggle for power that have let America slide into the confusion mass, and mix of war, bad economics, and crazy immigration. It’s a sad state of affairs, that is not ugly, its criminal.
With Obama, the truth is very winding, and plainly one can see that the political energies of endorsements are shields to help deflect what maybe considered bad judgments or blundering. My first argument is were the Media completely dismisses the fact that Obama was not installed as a Senator until after the very important resolution for the war in Iraq was “Voted” in the Senate Chamber.
Yet, Obama, in more of an obnoxious way, then a patriotic way, banners too often and repeated by media supporters he, Obama was against the war. Anyone can say that when they have not vote about it. A very easy and comforting mantra to take spiced up with all kinds of positive wrap. All that avoids the strain of working through the system, worse not buckling in to the seat of the Senate to record his values in this sense to posterity at that time is a political luxury political persons like Bush have enjoyed for seven years. Moreover, bucking the system were we know the majority or Senators voted for the resolution looks like Obama has a vision, but not really.
This is a serious and most important ideal that extends into Obama’s way of thinking about issues that have been absolutely side tracked by the media across the board, all the while he surfs on them as the media kindly gives him the new wave of support. That’s the scary part that’s the manipulation.
The other argument, is Obama’s first punch in the debates characterizing Hillary Clinton as a demon of the working class as an executive director of the board at Wal-Mart. Here, today, a widely acclaimed corporate giant that has been recently proven to be playing the system and under paying the employee’s with poor benifits is definitely a slam and degradation with obvious innuendos that truly blunder, no, actually if one looks closely, appears to be poor legal engineering on Obama’s part. Especially if Obama’s, even more importantly, if Obama took advise to take that path of smear and slander. Taking advise which America expects Obama to do as a president looks like he does not know values here in this simple example. Especially ranting about honesty and virtues, here he, Obama show he has none along with the media that support him.
The argument is hard to vilify Hillary becuase, Hillary likely was part of the original Sam Wal-Mart that highly and likely created the fundamentals for a positive retail store that offered savings and operated in Arkansas, which started many, many years ago. However, eventually, taken over by what appears to be the religious right. With vigor has corrupted from a fine beginning into a monster today corrupt and playing the system. Again, especially ranting about honesty and virtues, here he, Obama show he has none along with the media that support him.
Hillary’s return punch should actually drives Obama’s values into a tail spin, yet the Mainstream Media across the board is giving Obama the luxury flight riding a wave way above what Obama really deserves, claiming Obama as a uniter. Here again the same, Bush, was given for years by ignoring some of the blunders Bush has thrown America into a turmoil, which some might see as a political attraction, deals in the back room with Lieberman to cut over to Republican party or be exposed. That’s something one should not discount. Here, using serious and criminal actions very well might be part of Obama’s connection with the now indicted and jailed Rezko seeped in corruption in slum buildings in Chicago.
Face the fact Hillary and the Democrats are hardwired in Illinois, and they know something. And, it is not good, likely contracts that might be legally engineered with the help of Obama is in evidence about the Rezko case, that could surface to completely if not legally draw Obama into a legal battle that would destroy his presidential bid but could lead to criminal indictments perhaps ruining his political career. With that said, Obama, very well might reach out to anyone to help him run for cover. Are these values that I want as a president? Hell no. More over if played right the Democrats could risk blowing the election and giving the White House and Congress to the Republicans for another term because of an egotistical black man that’s running for cover not concerned about serving America.
Wed, 01/30/2008 - 08:32 — Ruthless People (not verified)
Bush and the GOP have done so much damage for so long we are past the point of no return. BushCo has done Al-Queda's bidding, they have brought America to its knees.
Bush and his cronies have turned us into a 3rd World Country:
economy -- jobs outsourced, industrial base gone, deflated currency education -- not competitive in global market health -- 40 million w/or access; child mortality rate wealth - concentrated in the hands of a small elite Internally displaced populations - NOLA! environment -- degradation; unregulated oil drilling in alaska and the gulf; massive fires, floods etc. Democracy - corrupted elections and officials; weak independent media; politicians pitting ethnic groups against eachother; Military - bloated budget; at war with other countries National Debt- CHINA! SAUDI ARABIA!
Just like a third world country other countries' citizens are appropriating our businesses, buying up property and coming over as "tourists" because of the cheap dollar.
Exactly WHAT does this administration, its officials or any of its supporters have to offer this country?
NOTHING!!
That's not exactly correct. They have managed to give us a combination of Oligarchy and Fascism. Who knew such a combination would work so well together.
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
America.
You lost me.
Me, too.
Aw, poor drama queens.
Next election: "Okay, this time you've lost me for real! I mean it!"
It saddens me to see people comparing Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert with that asshole Jay Leno. Stewart and Colbert have fought hard for their writers, and their protest-shows (which is what they're offering now) do far more good than their letting the rest of their crews get fired would have.
They are being supported by their writers and other writers, even though the WGA stubbornly refuses to give them their writers back. I support the WGA's cause, but that doesn't mean I'm going to support any decision they make even if said decision is very much wrong. That's like supporting the rule of law over the spirit of the law, and I'd rather stick with what's ultimately right. What does more good.
Stewart and Colbert are obviously very deeply affected and heartbroken over the suffering of their writers and friends, and for individuals to vilify them, to me, is mean-spirited. The network forced them back onto the air, so they're working to rule. If other writers are supporting them, why can't you? Oh, of course - because you're an anonymous hard-ass behind a keyboard.
Bah! No Kucinich to vote for. No Dodd to vote for. No Edwards to vote for.
The media has chosen who we get to vote for, and the people went for it.
The presidential election is barely started and it's over already.
The media will make sure we get to welcome President McCain.
And the country spirals deeper into the abyss with 50 more years in Iraq leading the way.
No wonder big pharma makes so much money off of anti depressants.
I think I need some now myself.
you are right on my friend , what have they given us to vote for? more of the same crap weve allready got!!!!!it looks to me like the democratic party set us up to fail! they gave us two corporate whores , jesus how do you choose between that kind of crappy politician, oh i know the answer to that one , you dont need to investigate what they stand for ,you just pick from the black man or the female! and both are going to loose in november even if diebold doesnt pick for us, seems to me both the republicans and the demovrats stuck us with two sure loosers, and before you tell me mccdrool cant win because hes to old , remember they shoved ronny boy raygun up our ass for eight yrs!
Did anyone notice how fast Chris Matthews turned on John Edwards when he dropped out Wed? Chris Matthews is the ultimate bandwagon MSM Hack, it doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or Republican when that person is done he turns on them faster then Rosie O'Donnell on Chinese take out..
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
America.
You lost me.
i believe what you wrote is called principles, and you have them , im tired of voteing and holding my nose doing it, the stinks just become to much to go thru! i voted for that slock kerry doing that , and like the guy i had finally got some faith in john edwards , kerry threw in the towel while the votes were still being counted , before that he said hed stick till they counted all the votes , edwards said as he asked for contributions , quote , im in it all the way to the democratic convention ! really ? edwards screwed his supporters too, and dont give me that crap he left because of elisibeths health , or he wasnt getting enough votes , he said till the convention, as he bummed more money, so i guess i was taken in by just another hack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Bullshit! I'm sorry to write this, but it will be a looooong time before I watch either of them again. Sorry, but locking out the very people who actually WRITE the very material which makes you popular, simply because they want a little bit more of the humongous pie shared between the network and messrs Stewart and Colbert is something that I can't overlook. I expect this from middle of the road, bland, corporate "entertainers" like Leno, but not Stewart and Colbert.
Wed, 01/30/2008 - 12:20 — Big Dick Cheney (not verified)
lettermans 10 best things about the state of the union:
10 it was his LAST one
9 no...really.... its almost over
8 no...he cant be president again
7 no...not even if everyone else dies
6 no...he cant even be first lady
5 no...we dont have to see him again
4 there is nothing in the economy left for him to ruin
3 there is nothing left in iraq for him to ruin
2 all his friends have to leave with him
1 no.... his brother cant be president either (NEW RULE!)
Shell smashed all-time British company profit records today, posting 2007 earnings of $27.5billion (£13.9billion), and immediately ran into a storm with union leaders, who are demanding the Government hits the oil giant with a windfall tax.
Shell's profit surge - it is now making a staggering $75million (£38million) a day - on the back of a booming oil price that touched $100 a barrel this winter, was labelled as "obscene" by Tony Woodley of Unite, the UK's largest trade union, as Britons struggle with soaring energy costs.
"Shell shareholders are doing very nicely while the rest of us are paying the price and struggling," said Woodley.
Yeah. I read what you wrote. That's how I was able to give you cogent reasons as to why I'm correct, and you are not. You obviously aren't reading what I write.
If the union said it was alright for them to return, then they are not scabs. That's the problem with Miss Kitty's argument: they had the union's okay.
Then the union is cutting its own throat. And it wouldn't be the first time.
Miss Kitty, I agree with your point about people taking for granted what the Unions earned with blood: that many of them spend their weekends badmouthing the very Unions who made weekends happen is painfully ironic, no?
Still, your absolutist position has boxed you in. Can you not say those three little words: I was wrong? When Meat makes a perfectly good point, you change the question. Everyone's wrong but Miss Kitty? Even when she loses a debate by making an absolute statement to begin with. (Hard to back away from a categorical absolute, isn't it?)
I've read your posts. You're way smarter than your pride is making you appear.
Ours is a society that affirms Life as Good only so long as it meets one condition: Absolute supremacy for Us/Absolute subjugation for Them (see the Us-Israel "Peace Process"). Et tu, Miss Kitty?
Meat raises an interesting point. What I can't believe is, where's Democracy Now! on C&L?
# Daily Kos
# democratic underground
# Digby
DN! is far and away the best news source going, yet you wouldn't know that from the blog rolls of many liberal blogs.
What's up with that? Are many of these so-called independent blogs actually fronts for the Democratic Party?
We show the world two faces, but, like the poster who so aptly described the BS nature of "bipartisanship," both D's and R's support the same unjust wars of aggression.
Why do people keep saying Obama is corporate? I understand the criticisms of the Republicans for going along with Bush. That is enough right there. I understand the criticisms of Hillary for being the Establishment candidate since she was in the White House for 8 years already. But I don't understand why people say corporate Obama. He never worked for the big corporations or served on their boards from what I can tell. I'm sure he's gotten some donations, but isn't there a limit on those. And he has said he doesn't take money from PAC's or whatever. Anyway. I just think he is about as least "corporate" as a person can be when effectively running for President.
I have wondered why also. I haven't seen a president like Obama in my lifetime.
Sorry, but locking out the very people who actually WRITE the very material which makes you popular, simply because they want a little bit more of the humongous pie shared between the network and messrs Stewart and Colbert is something that I can't overlook.
Daily Show is owned by Viacom. Viacom refuses to make a deal with WGA -- WGA refuses to give DS a waiver (as they did David Letterman, but who owns his own show).
Daily Show could have simply folded, gone out of existence. The entire production staff were on the verge of being fired. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are both WGA members. They are over a barrel.
Arguably the baby has to be cut in half. So sure, that justifies righteous anger! Fuck them!! Or recognize that during this illegal gov't the odd situation of the Daily Show is pretty much the only major political show on our side of the equation would seem to be a good basis for WGA to continue to try to make a waiver in their case. Or else give no waivers, whatsoever, and let all the shows go to hell.
Blaming Jon Stewart is just blaming him for Viacom. Give him a waiver!
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Goodbye John, we're gonna miss you.
Thank you for that, Dave...
On Rudy's Endorsement of McCainiac, here's the real "Quit Pro Quo."
im still amazed that without writers, leno is still beating dave
america hates to think after 1130 pm
fuck that...america just hates to think
So, I guess Iran is due for a bombing?
Dumbass was good!
Fucking BRILLIANT.
Dumas.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 4:
Leno's show (and audience) is a product of consumerist, corporate America. Leno's also a SCAB.
Wow, that pretty harsh for dave! He tend to be reluctant about endorsing any politician. Just make fun of them like any other politician, but keep it safe. Although he had been targeted in the past by this administration, and justifiably warranted a harsh response for making his life difficult.
That was great.
Right on Dave.
I am sorry, but did anybody other than political bloggers actually watch the SOTU?
Yeah Bravo Dave! stick it to the man!
americangoy @ 12:
Myself and some of my dormmates did. We decided afterwards that Kathleen Sibelius will be Obama's running mate, if he's chosen.
Why aren't you folks covering some of the incredible moments on A Daily Show and The Colbert Report? It isn't as though they're strikebreakers - they were forced back to work for the sake of their production crew.
Meat @ 15:
Scabs is scabs.
Hey, wow, I didn't know Tom Cruise was giving a speech.
americangoy @ 12:
I recorded it...but I can't entice myself enough to actually watch it.
Gotta love the writers, as always genius!
miss_kitty @ 16:
WTF is that supposed to mean? Stewart and Colbert are scabs?
I've noticed as well the lack of C&L coverage on these guys since their return. How dare you compare them with fucking Leno? The first poster was right, these guys have done no wrong to the writers. And to be honest, after being an avid fan for several years, and missing them while they were off, I find their impromptu, writerless version to be somewhat refreshing, if not as good as usual. They're still talented dudes. C&L should give them some credit.
Damn! He STILL looks like Alfred E Newman!!
. . . or this wonderful version . . . .
*
Don't Ask, Don't Tell turns 15.
Kenya is turning into Rwanda.
The suit against the Army Corps got thrown out. More on Lilly Ledbetter.
Dave makes a good point about President 'DumbAss'
But my fellow citizens the most dangerous folks are those, in office, who think like
'The Chairman'
mrplow @ 20:
Scabs still is scabs
miss_kitty @ 16:
What part of 'They had no choice!' did you not understand? While they were off the air, Stewart and Colbert were told that the rest of their production crew (the cameramen, graphics people, ad infinitum) were going to be fired since, technically, they were not doing anything. Thus, while Stewart and Colbert could let even more people they care about end up completely unable to support their families, or they could work to rule - a concept I don't think you're familiar with.
So please, take the stick out of your ass.
Meat @ 25:
No ass, no stick up in there.
Bah! No Kucinich to vote for. No Dodd to vote for. No Edwards to vote for.
The media has chosen who we get to vote for, and the people went for it.
The presidential election is barely started and it's over already.
The media will make sure we get to welcome President McCain.
And the country spirals deeper into the abyss with 50 more years in Iraq leading the way.
No wonder big pharma makes so much money off of anti depressants.
I think I need some now myself.
I ran across the preview of Alex Gibney's new film Taxi to the Dark Side about the brutal murder of Dilawar, the Afghani taxi-driver and the systematic torture policy under the Bush administration.
It looks like a must-see...the preview alone pissed me off.
miss_kitty @ 26:
Miss Kitty, what happened to your ass, if I may be so bold?
Meat @ 25:
Scabs is scabs, my friend.
They don't have to do anything; they're millionaire celebrities, and the network is nothing without them.
I'm surprised this hasn't received more attention:
WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite touched a nerve with Puerto Ricans on Tuesday when she called them "foreign citizens" in a news release.
Brown-Waite, R-Brooksville, was complaining about parts of an economic-stimulus package when she referred to residents of Puerto Rico and Guam as "foreign citizens."
". . . The bill sends hundreds of millions of dollars to people who do not pay federal income taxes, including residents of Puerto Rico and territories like Guam. I do not believe American taxpayer funds should be sent to foreign citizens who do not pay taxes. Americans want an economic stimulus for Dunnellon, Brooksville and Clermont, not for San Juan or Hagatna. As the legislation moves forward, it must be changed to ensure that only federal taxpaying American citizens receive rebate checks."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-ginny3008jan30,0,341...
mo_dems @ 1:
MISS john edwards? he oughta be obama's vp, then we can keep him around for 8 years, maybe then another 8 after that.
betcha elizabeth makes it for the whole journey as well...
paranoia @ 10:
Just stating it like it is. Unfortunately, it will be branded as political hackery by repugs. If GW got any dumber, they would have to perform the first pig to man brain transplant.
ROM Spaceknight @ 32:
Why would Obama Inc. hire Edwards Trial Lawyer to be his running mate?
seevee @ 29:
It brayed a couple of times, then keeled over.! Actually, I was just trying to make a point. As a (Really good) former union negotiator, and a person brought up in Dave Beck's neighbourhood and someone who was taught never to cross a picket line, I hardly have a stick up my arse. It's a fact-I knew people who used baseball bats on strikebreakers in the 30s on Snoqualmie Pass. But if you stand back and see what these baseball bat wielders gained for ALL of us, you (Meat) wouldn't jump to defend strike breakers so readily. Overtime for work exceeding 40 hours in a week, vacations, profit sharing, medical and dental care, maternity leave, breaks, lunches, all that shit the history deprived like you assume as an entitlement.
:P
BTW I was just coming back to say "What part of strike breaking do you not get, Meat?" Scabbing IS scabbing, no matter how noble the intent. I am glad people get to keep their jobs, but a scab is a scab. Contracts can be broken. It does depend on the commitment of the people facing the challenge. Far be it for me to tell Jon Stewart of Steven Colbert what to do, but why do you think you have the right (Meat) to tell the website owner here what to do?
When Stewart and Colbert do not respect the picket line, it makes Viacom and the rest of APMTP more powerful, and weakens the position of the WGA, the people who deserve fair pay for their work.
The front page of www.barackobama.com (past the sign in) has a great photo of... John and Elizabeth Edwards! Lest anybody doubt the power that he still holds...
We have to make John Edwards Attorney General -- he is right for it in so many ways. I especially like the idea because he is a Presidential competitor, so he is going to have the independence from the executive office that the job needs. He is so much the opposite of a Bush lackey like Ashcroft or Gonzales, and I think he has the skills to fix a Justice department that the Bush administration has so badly damaged. If it were an elective office, I'd be campaigning for him in it.
OliverDreams @ 27:
The conservatives won't vote for McCain thankfully because he's a "liberal". Of the four that may become president he is fourth on my list for many reasons. One week from now Romney will be the frontrunner.
Oh God, that was great. I so needed that.
mo_dems @ 30:
Did you read what I wrote? The people they have paid for years to run the cameras, handle the set, costume design, graphics, ad nauseam - they were all being held over the heads of Stewart and Colbert. In essence, they were blackmailed. I don't really understand the lack of support they are receiving from this website.
OliverDreams @ 27:
Hearing 'The media has chosen our candidate!' gets a little old. Certainly, their coverage has been heavily biased, but then, Hillary Clinton is battling for first place even though various news networks dedicate ridiculous amounts of time to slandering her and smearing her name. Part of this reason is that millions of Americans support her. Everyone is so eager to shout that 'the fix is in!' simply because other people supported a different candidate, instead of appreciating that that's how voting tends to work.
Meat @ 39:
Furthermore, they had permission to return to the air - they simply didn't receive permission from the WGA to get their writers back. The latter is a little silly, since the decisions regarding which late-night hosts are allowed to use their writers is an entirely arbitrary one, it would seem.
Finally, Stewart and Colbert have dedicated enormous swaths of time already to defending the WGA and harshly criticizing the production companies at the centre of this entire scandal. At one point, Colbert sung "Let My People Go" while displaying images of his various writers on-screen.
Meat @ 39:
Yeah. I read what you wrote. That's how I was able to give you cogent reasons as to why I'm correct, and you are not. You obviously aren't reading what I write.
Meat @ 39:
No matter how you slice it, the WGA is getting screwed. I've stopped watching TV, and it makes me sick that the producers would be so damn greedy when they don't have the talent to put any of this together.
New Greenwald:
"..But more importantly, "bipartisanship" is already rampant in Washington, not rare. And, in almost every significant case, what "bipartisanship" means in Washington is that enough Democrats join with all of the Republicans to endorse and enact into law Republican policies, with which most Democratic voters disagree. That's how so-called "bipartisanship" manifests in almost every case."
"On virtually every major controversial issue -- particularly, though not only, ones involving national security and terrorism -- the Republicans (including their vaunted mythical moderates and mavericks) vote in almost complete lockstep in favor of the President, the Democratic caucus splits, and the Republicans then get their way on every issue thanks to "bipartisan" support. That's what "bipartisanship" in Washington means."
check it
That's just too damn funny.
I really really miss the TDS and Colbert clips, but scabs is scabs.
I'm seriously proud that C&L has honored and stuck up for the striking writers.
justabill @ 46:
Me too, justabill. Me too.
i'm sick of hearing how bill clinton was the 1st black president. what a load of horse$#!+. no one ever discriminated against bubba. bubba has been an establishment insider for decades, that's how he got to be president in the 1st place.
miss_kitty @ 42:
If the union said it was alright for them to return, then they are not scabs. That's the problem with Miss Kitty's argument: they had the union's okay.
pinkobait @ 44:
That is totally accurate! In the Senate, Democrats couldn't strip away any of the Republicans and have to try to woo Lieber-fucking-man; yet when things don't get accomplished, its the Dems that get blamed. You'd think there would be a Republican with a conscience among the 49 of them. I think its half that the moderate Republicans are ball-less Specter-ites, and half that the Republicans have worke so hard with the Delay sticks and the Cunningham carrots, that they've beat the ranks into submission.
Tom Wood @ 49:
Then the union is cutting its own throat. And it wouldn't be the first time.
Whaaaa? Got a link to that? I don't believe that's true.
ROM Spaceknight @ 48:
Yeah, I don't get it. Good old boy from Arkansas can feel your pain, right? But the fucker went to Oxford and he knows on which side the bread is buttered - ask him about NAFTA.
justabill @ 52:
I couldn't find anything. In fact, I found the opposite. I did hear the Union gave dispensation to the Grammys, but I find that to be odious. If they keep moving the line, the camel will be in the tent, and the WGA will be out in the desert sandstorm.
Finally truth in advertising
americangoy @ 12:
Obviously they are. Where you been? The whole world is watching just to see what Obama does wherever he goes. They were just checkin his reactions.
hey, does anyone know if the two-headed hilldebeast scheduled a press conference to sob in front of the cameras after obama whupped it in south carolina by a greater than 2 to 1 margin?
gosh, i feel so sad for hilldebeast.
hankies for hilldebeast. what a noble cause. and what a brilliant way to run a country.
meat @ 15:
i agree w/miss kitty at 16: scabs is scabs.
more to the point, stewart and colbert could have said to comedy central, "hey, instead of threatening your employees w/joblessness, why don't you turn around and tell your bosses at viacom to get off their high horses and go back to the negotiating table w/the writers guild, who have been willing to negotiate for the past two months?
why don't you tell your bosses to read the recent bear stearns report that concluded that if the producers gave the writers guild everything they were asking for, and even factored in similar concessions for the directors guild and screen actors guild contracts, the resulting expediture would be less than 1% of the annual earnings for the studios?
yes, there is some terrible collateral damage across the below the line board for people who are missing incomes, and, yes, the production staffs of tds and colbert report would have been part of that collateral damage.
but every strike is about sacrificing the short term for the long term (not even mentioning that residuals from auxillary media currently feed into the pension funds for iatse and other btl unions; ergo their stakes in new media negotiations are obvious); and in point of fact, again i remind you to remind jon and stephen to remind comedy central to remind viacom that it wasn't the writers who closed down negotiations. it was the producers, when they walked away from the table refusing to talk.
luckily word on the hollywood street is the strike may be winding down.
Arresting, Prosecuting A Sitting President
This is a discussion of legal issues related to lawfully arresting, indicting, and prosecuting a sitting President. Those who are threatening Vermonters for discussing this approach haven't considered the legal options: Congressional inaction does not oblige the states to also do nothing.
skippy @ 58:
Gawd I used to have a huge crush on alan rosenberg. How fab he's SAG pres.
mrplow @ 20:
and to be honest, after being an avid fan for several years, and missing them while they were off, i find their impromptu, writerless version to be somewhat refreshing, if not as good as usual. they're still talented dudes. c&l should give them some credit.
if you think they're making up what they are doing on the spot, i've got a bridge to sell you.
stewart, colbert and leno are all in the writers guild. the first rule of the writers guild's strike (or any union's strike) is that you may not do any work covered by the currently negotiated contract while the union is on strike.
improvising is in a gray enough area that, even as a writer (tho i'm not in the guild) and actor and especially as improvisor, i'm willing to give them a pass if they improvise.
but the minute they put pen to paper and remember the punchling to repeat later, they are writing, they are doing struke work, they are crossing the picket line, they are scabs.
as an example, in the previous writers strike in the 80's, letterman still went on, but he did no monologue, he did no sketches, he just did weird, uninteresting (but unwritten) crap, like getting a shave on stage.
they are scabs, they don't deserve our support. the strike is hard on thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of working people in the industry, these guys don't get a pass because they've been progressive in their punchlines.
let them put their $$$ where their mouths are.
Clinton scandle Page 1 - New York Times
Will rip apart the Clinton campaign right before Super Tuesday
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&hp=&oref...
As we mourn the loss of our John, Dave's relief was much appreciated.
In the words of Joe Hill, "Don't mourn. Organize!"
miss_kitty @ 35:
...but, but, but think of the children, and the kitties.
Nobody is willing to take a stand. That is why the middle class is going the way of the dodo. And I agree 100% with you miss kitty.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 4:
And Meet the Spartans was the number one film in the country.
miss_kitty @ 60:
he's actually a big part of why this strike is holding together so well. alan and patrick verrone (prez of wga) began informal meetings (lunches, actually) months before the current negotiations. heretofore the two unions never were on the same page, but this time they have realized that if the two unions support each other's negotiations (our sag contact is up in june) the producers will have to take notice.
and, imo, it's working. the reason the producers have made overtures for informal talks to resume (currently going beginning on this week) is because the golden globes were shut down. having shown that it can be done, the producers are now quite aware that the oscars could be next, and yes, the two guilds will be happy to do it.
and beyond just a night of boobs and speeches, the oscars is $$$. the advertising revenue on the oscars broadcast is second only to the superbowl.
the producers have realized that we're not divided and won't run away w/our tails between our legs. there is a reason unions work. united we stand, divided we fall, as the saying goes.
and when i see alan rosenberg again, miss kitty, i'll be sure to tell him you've got a crush on him!
As a registered Democrat who registered as a Democrat only to support Denis Kucinich let me be perfectly blunt.
We are owned. We have nothing but our personal computers and our video games. We have bullshit up to our eyeballs. What we do not have, on either side of the fence, in either party, is a candidate.
Do i give a flying fuck if McCain wins or Obama wins?
Hell no!
Nothing changes.
NOTHING!
I won't settle. You can settle for who you think is the less destructive asshole up for office if you like. I won't.
There is no process worth respecting here, i refuse to participate any further in "electoral" politics.
From now on i will do it my way through refusing to pretend the system includes me. It DOES NOT!
This country is FUCKED! It has ceased to have any meaning for me. I will fight for sanity on my own terms. I don't give a shit who is in office because almost none of them give a damn about me or you and i will no longer give them my support by casting a vote.
Fuck 'em all.
I am done with playing games and shadow boxing with bullshit.
America.
You lost me.
ps i do like to believe i've been on top of this whole strike quite extensively over at skippy.
Petition to remove Pelosi as Speaker, now before the election, to make way for an impeachment investigation. Almost 3,000 signatures. Please review, consider adding your name, and share with your friends. Thank you.
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americangoy @ 12:
I watched it. It was like his "I Have a Dream" speech. It was definitely his dream. What a stupid idiot. It would be funny if he didn't invoke thousands of deaths and maiming throughout the world.
I could have sworn chimpy said something like, people are starving in Africa and we must buy their crops to prevent famine and to stimulate their economy. WTF?
This happened during Perot's run. I saw Perot use his pointer equipped with a reptile's paw at the end (it looked real) to point to his many graphs.
oh well...
Why isn't the media covering the repug debates as heavily as they do the Dem?
Also I believe repugs are hoping for Obama's win "praying" the old white racist assholes (young and old) will win them for another 4 year to play with the devil.
One small thing:
Dems won't produce "terrorist" playing cards.
JMT
I like all this talk about the writer's strike. It is interesting for someone who doesn't know much about that. And I am glad C&L seems to be respecting the writer's strike as well. Hopefully that link is correct and the strike is nearing resolution.
The New York Times article is an important story as well. Peace.
skippy @ 67:
HAD a crush. It evaporated when I found out he married the fabulous Marg Helgenberger. But I loved him all over again as the a-hole attorney on CSI. If he were single again-ha cha cha cha! :P But I wouldn't wish it for him...You can tell him that! :) And thank him for me, and everyone else. Even people who still don't get it.
Tyler Durden @ 65:
I tell you what you watch A Daily Show tonight you just might be happy he is back on again, especially durring election season. Tonights guest segment with Peggy Noonan was Crossfire-esque; incidently, I think Jon Stewart officially-unofficially endorsed John Edwards endorsing Barack Obama.
Petition, write, call, scream. When you are done and they are still in control take a breath and look around. Nothing has changed. We cooperate too much.
I was told in grade school 40 years ago to write my Congressman.
The thing is he is not my Congressman.
I am his source of income.
xoites defends Constitution @ 68:
The system never included me. I became much more at ease and happy when I came to realise that. And I quit settling decades ago.
Good luck xoites.
Remove Pelosi @ 70:
Remove Pelosi, and INSTALL HOYER.
Have you thought about asking him whether he will be more amenable to your goals? Or is it just an effort to shoot first, ask questions later?
Hoyer is NOT an improvement.
Tyler Durden @ 65:
Thanks Tyler Durden.
Remove Pelosi and install Britney or Whoopie, or take your pick. Find someone with a great big smile or someone who walks with a limp. At least make it interesting.
That was awesome!
Wow. Dave cut a bloody swath through a mountain of spin with one simple word of truth: dumbass.
We will brag to our grandchildren about having the opportunity to watch a master.
That was simply, the best.
Another instance of false flag terrorism is revealed and written about in The Sunday Times
OliverDreams @ 27:
You are 100% dead-on! With the country headed for Great Depression II, our choices are more of the same, or more of the same. If we don't want corporate McInsane, then we can vote for corporate Hillary, or corporate Obama. Brought to you by the corporate MSM.
I guess the only anti-corporate fascist party left may be the Green ticket, which is where my vote will be going. Apparently, the dumbasses in this country still have not figured it out yet. They really need another four years of trickle down poverty, homelessness, and economic misery before they will put two and two together. Sad!
big news from NYT people!
Did Hillary Clinton's campaign just asplode?
Why do people keep saying Obama is corporate? I understand the criticisms of the Republicans for going along with Bush. That is enough right there. I understand the criticisms of Hillary for being the Establishment candidate since she was in the White House for 8 years already. But I don't understand why people say corporate Obama. He never worked for the big corporations or served on their boards from what I can tell. I'm sure he's gotten some donations, but isn't there a limit on those. And he has said he doesn't take money from PAC's or whatever. Anyway. I just think he is about as least "corporate" as a person can be when effectively running for President.
xoites defends Constitution @ 79:
Hoyer will enjoy your jokes as he becomes Speaker.
Entrenching the DLC further into power in the Congress is the real key to improving the situation. Those corporate-wing Democrats are certain to reward you.
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'." - former vice-President Dan Quayle
"History - don't let it be a mystery" ~ Harry John Roland
Voters have yet to be stimulated
by Bush's plan.
Orangutan. @ 85:
Because the shotgun they're swinging around is too big for their boots.
"It's a mystery, where do they all come from
It's a mystery, where do they go when they're gone" - Monte Man
budda @ 62:
We'll see. And I hope John Edwards endorses Obama before the primaries too.
Raise your finger if you are in favor of a national voting holiday.
seevee @ 18:
I used to watch the SOTU when it mattered.
China's dumplings are causing people in Japan to dump their stomachs. It's amazing how well they've adopted to Bush-style safety standards.
dude!
Hillary & Bill are gonna get ripped to pieces tomorrow by the NYT, who just endorsed her haha. Bye bye Hillary, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
xoites defends Constitution @ 68:
Dang, xoites, come back. :)) You can find personal serenity, and yet still contribute to this Kafkaesque chess game of politics, right?
I'm partial to voters who are aware of the Constitution.
Apropos of Nothing:
SONY JUST RELEASED SKYPE FOR THE PSP.
Just tested it and it works.
Steve Jobs, you slick marketing huckster, you, this makes your silly little iPhone look like A SAD AND PATHETIC JOKE.
Ha Ha.
~Nyc
xoites defends Constitution @ 68:
I'm afraid this is pretty much where I am now, too. We're at the point where these "elections" are really nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Orangutan. @ 82:
Hah! The concensus (reported to the media) at the time was that it were seals and sea otters that produced those sonar sounds.
Good thing we don't scare easily and cry wolf (or, if we had an army, invade the suspect nation) without researching every possibility and try to get pure facts.
But ofc, the stranded submarine incident kept us on our toes.
In the time of this media and establishment circus that you call a democratic election, ask yourself if you prefer to get the results as soon as possible or to get it 100 % accurate.
Despite the media blackout, fact shows that your voting system is severly flawed.
NYT plays Clue.
Bill Clinton, in central Asia with venture capitalists, peddling influence.
I cant wait. "I did not have financial relations with that man."
DUMBASS!
Oh dear, GOD! The end of times is truly nigh!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080131/ap_on_bi_ge/earns_starbucks
I know this because the M$M told me so...
seevee @ 18:
I only use things like that to induce vomiting in emergencies.
If he's so stupid, then how come
1) no one in his administration is in jail
2) in fact, most of them are cashing in huge now that they're at an end
3) most everyone (big oil, defense, wall street, insurance, big pharma) who paid into Bushco is getting PAID
4) the democratic congress hasn't accomplished jack SHIT
Go ahead, call him a dumbass while he and his cronies steal our money and retire to gated communities in 3rd world countries during this last year. We so smrt!
xoites defends Constitution @ 68:
I feel much the same way here and have for a long time. It was over 25 years ago now that a political campaign rolled into town and set up their media circus and their make believe mythos in order to elect their pre-chosen golden asshole and I've never gotten over it. That people will dance to whatever tune they play, believe whatever lies they are told and come back for more. It's not a "process" it's a dog and pony show with the winner getting the spoils... our lives, our futures, our freedom.
Congrats. We're all indentured servants and they did it without anyone noticing.
priceless
I guess there will be a boycott of letterman by the right now like with the dixie chicks. No wait, the right has now realized its true.
The AAD (American Association of Dumbasses) will be suing C&L for defamation and embarrassment !
SOTU:
Bush and his cronies have turned us into a 3rd World Country:
economy -- jobs outsourced, industrial base gone, deflated currency
education -- not competitive in global market
health -- 40 million w/or access; child mortality rate
wealth - concentrated in the hands of a small elite
Internally displaced populations - NOLA!
environment -- degradation; unregulated oil drilling in alaska and the gulf; massive fires, floods etc.
Democracy - corrupted elections and officials; weak independent media; politicians pitting ethnic groups against eachother;
Military - bloated budget; at war with other countries
National Debt- CHINA! SAUDI ARABIA!
Just like a third world country other countries' citizens are appropriating our businesses, buying up property and coming over as "tourists" because of the cheap dollar.
Exactly WHAT does this administration, its officials or any of its supporters have to offer this country?
NOTHING!!
Stan Rosenthal @ 87:
What a terrible thing to have lost one's mind. Or not to have a mind at all. How true that is.
-Dan Quayle-
CNN Breaking News Flash:
Word from Dawg:
Me and the Missus will be returning to the Whitehouse in a few months.
Don't worry, everthings' cool.
Sleaze is good for ratings.
Bling, Bling Patriots.
It's all about the Benjamins.
Oh, by the way........
I am the only Dawg in Town
Love, Bubba
Daily Reading pt 1....
Bush Crime Family Legacy: More than one million Iraqis dead since 2003 invasion: study - http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080130/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestconflictto...
Was the Oil & the neocon puppet 'free market' government worth it??? I report, you decide....
The Iraq "Security Improvement" Charade - http://www.populistamerica.com/the_iraq_charade
It seems odd that the bulk - if not the entirety - of reports on the improvement in security in Iraq are predicated principally on information released by the US military, Iraqi official sources or willing collaborates of both (conformist Shia sources, tribal Sunni leaders).
Sibel Edmonds: 'Buckle Up, There's Much More Coming' - http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/75351/
FBI Probes 14 Companies Over Home Loans - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/29/fbi-probes-14-companies-o_n_839...
The FBI on Tuesday said it is investigating 14 companies for possible accounting fraud, insider trading or other violations in connection with home loans made to risky borrowers.
Call it the 'S&L' scandal of the 00's...
Amy Goodman Interview - http://www.progressive.org/mag_intv0208
She has a missionary zeal and calls journalism “a sacred responsibility.”
Fed Cuts Rate for Second Time in 8 Days, half a point to 3%. But no, George, the economy is fine. - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/business/30cnd-fed.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
SF Chronicle and Chicago Tribune Back Obama - http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...
Gary Hart: The Burdens of Empire - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gary-hart/the-burdens-of-empire_b_83899.html
Robert Scheer: Obama, Clinton, and the war - http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080129_obama_clinton_and_the_war/
"Barack Obama on Tuesday night aimed to scrub Tony Rezko's taint off his political fund-raising machine, saying he's identified all remaining donations to his U.S. Senate campaign that are tied to the indicted businessman and is donating them to charity."
- http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/766605,CST-NWS-obama30.article
Daily Reading pt 2...
Media Matters: Fox News is in for a very rough 2008 - http://mediamatters.org/columns/200801290001?f=h_column
Ms. R.j. Crane: If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, Bush and the neocons won't be held responsible for lying us into war... nor for that matter, committing many other serious crimes
- http://www.topplebush.com/oped4781.shtml
Editors note: While this piece is critical of Hillary Clinton it will be the position of this website to support the Democratic Presidential nominee over any of the GOP candidates. We urge our viewers to do the same no matter what your feelings are during the primaries.
The main goal is winning back the White House and preventing the GOP from getting there because we know any of the GOP presidential candidates would be much worse than the worst Democratic candidate could ever be.
Edwards bows out, but hopefully he's not done with politics -- Be-Elected - http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/election08/049
Shock and behold: The New York Times Notices the Signing Statement; 'With President Bush, you always have to read the footnotes.' - http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/opinion/30wed1.html
Here we go again, 2000 REDUX: Ralph Nader is "Flirting" with Running for President in 2008. Why Couldn't we Wake Up and Learn that Gore is Running? Now that Would be a Dream Come True.
- http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4215961&page=1
Note to the 'Naderites' out there.....I don't want John McCain to be president, because it will be another 4 years of GWBush and his uber-destructive policies.... McCain = Bush
Mother Jones: In Endorsing Obama, Kennedy Anoints a Prince and Tells Clintons To Cool It - http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/7013_in_endorsing_o...
Financial Times of London: "US funds madrassas in Afghanistan." In parts of eastern Afghanistan, US soldiers distribute copies of the Koran and “mosque refurbishment kits” that include sound systems powered by solar panels and prayer rugs.
- http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d1b9e546-ceb4-11dc-877a-000077b07658.html
Apparently the Republicans/GOP feel Solar power is good enough for Afghans...but not Americans....hmmm....
"Elizabeth B. Moynihan, the widow of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, the New York senator who, from a hayfield on his upstate farm, helped shepherd Hillary Rodham Clinton into his Senate seat, has endorsed Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination."
- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31moynihan.html
John Edwards and the art of losing well -- from the Last Chance Democracy Cafe - http://www.lastchancedemocracycafe.com/?p=1231
BradBlog: Rush Limbaugh encounters touchscreen voting failure in Palm Beach, FL; Preciously ironic. - http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5623
Would that NBC actually had that much integrity.
So what they're suggesting is "Bush is a dumbass"? A joke 8 years in the making, folks. :P
Hillary/Cheney 2008 change is good
Being a rookie blogger at this political stuff is sometimes very interesting. As one views the Media and the interpretations one can figure that our own deductions, with collection around the Internet, can be very alarming and competitive to a lot of seasoned professionals in Mainstream Media Journalism. What’s really fun is if those of us on the outside, here on Crooks and Liars, can watch Americas Mainstream Media corporate mold make their moves through public manipulation or any possible deception abusing the electromagnetic public domain.
Sometimes then all of a sudden, if like lighting or by a miracle, along with good faith research with an honest direction an ideal emerges that changes the shape of issues, from a warm and fuzzy thing, to a real crooks and liar likely hood.
The issues before America in the presidential election stir the passions that may over look the intrinsic values that were considered good ideals, but really secretly extend perhaps deceptively, today more then ever by educated cover ups done by experienced legal side steppers to avoid being discovered in plain old fashion corruption.
So, Whats my point? Two huge issues that have illuminated about Barrack Hussein Obama which are chilling and alarming that is deliberately avoided by Mainstream Media in the same sense and content that Bush and Company is not and has not been challenged by Americas National Media for years. Sadly, also the complicity with a lot of long timer Politicians already ignoring the Constitutional values, but are tweaked by Mainstream Journalists in personal struggle for power that have let America slide into the confusion mass, and mix of war, bad economics, and crazy immigration. It’s a sad state of affairs, that is not ugly, its criminal.
With Obama, the truth is very winding, and plainly one can see that the political energies of endorsements are shields to help deflect what maybe considered bad judgments or blundering. My first argument is were the Media completely dismisses the fact that Obama was not installed as a Senator until after the very important resolution for the war in Iraq was “Voted” in the Senate Chamber.
Yet, Obama, in more of an obnoxious way, then a patriotic way, banners too often and repeated by media supporters he, Obama was against the war. Anyone can say that when they have not vote about it. A very easy and comforting mantra to take spiced up with all kinds of positive wrap. All that avoids the strain of working through the system, worse not buckling in to the seat of the Senate to record his values in this sense to posterity at that time is a political luxury political persons like Bush have enjoyed for seven years. Moreover, bucking the system were we know the majority or Senators voted for the resolution looks like Obama has a vision, but not really.
This is a serious and most important ideal that extends into Obama’s way of thinking about issues that have been absolutely side tracked by the media across the board, all the while he surfs on them as the media kindly gives him the new wave of support. That’s the scary part that’s the manipulation.
The other argument, is Obama’s first punch in the debates characterizing Hillary Clinton as a demon of the working class as an executive director of the board at Wal-Mart. Here, today, a widely acclaimed corporate giant that has been recently proven to be playing the system and under paying the employee’s with poor benifits is definitely a slam and degradation with obvious innuendos that truly blunder, no, actually if one looks closely, appears to be poor legal engineering on Obama’s part. Especially if Obama’s, even more importantly, if Obama took advise to take that path of smear and slander. Taking advise which America expects Obama to do as a president looks like he does not know values here in this simple example. Especially ranting about honesty and virtues, here he, Obama show he has none along with the media that support him.
The argument is hard to vilify Hillary becuase, Hillary likely was part of the original Sam Wal-Mart that highly and likely created the fundamentals for a positive retail store that offered savings and operated in Arkansas, which started many, many years ago. However, eventually, taken over by what appears to be the religious right. With vigor has corrupted from a fine beginning into a monster today corrupt and playing the system. Again, especially ranting about honesty and virtues, here he, Obama show he has none along with the media that support him.
Hillary’s return punch should actually drives Obama’s values into a tail spin, yet the Mainstream Media across the board is giving Obama the luxury flight riding a wave way above what Obama really deserves, claiming Obama as a uniter. Here again the same, Bush, was given for years by ignoring some of the blunders Bush has thrown America into a turmoil, which some might see as a political attraction, deals in the back room with Lieberman to cut over to Republican party or be exposed. That’s something one should not discount. Here, using serious and criminal actions very well might be part of Obama’s connection with the now indicted and jailed Rezko seeped in corruption in slum buildings in Chicago.
Face the fact Hillary and the Democrats are hardwired in Illinois, and they know something. And, it is not good, likely contracts that might be legally engineered with the help of Obama is in evidence about the Rezko case, that could surface to completely if not legally draw Obama into a legal battle that would destroy his presidential bid but could lead to criminal indictments perhaps ruining his political career. With that said, Obama, very well might reach out to anyone to help him run for cover. Are these values that I want as a president? Hell no. More over if played right the Democrats could risk blowing the election and giving the White House and Congress to the Republicans for another term because of an egotistical black man that’s running for cover not concerned about serving America.
Bush and the GOP have done so much damage for so long we are past the point of no return. BushCo has done Al-Queda's bidding, they have brought America to its knees.
Booyah, Dave!
Dave is Priceless!
ciu @ 112:
That's not exactly correct. They have managed to give us a combination of Oligarchy and Fascism. Who knew such a combination would work so well together.
xoites defends Constitution @ 68:
Me, too.
http://debates.redlasso.com/dbt
please check it out.... please? (nobody cares about the debates??)
Paul @ 121:
Aw, poor drama queens.
Next election: "Okay, this time you've lost me for real! I mean it!"
It saddens me to see people comparing Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert with that asshole Jay Leno. Stewart and Colbert have fought hard for their writers, and their protest-shows (which is what they're offering now) do far more good than their letting the rest of their crews get fired would have.
They are being supported by their writers and other writers, even though the WGA stubbornly refuses to give them their writers back. I support the WGA's cause, but that doesn't mean I'm going to support any decision they make even if said decision is very much wrong. That's like supporting the rule of law over the spirit of the law, and I'd rather stick with what's ultimately right. What does more good.
Stewart and Colbert are obviously very deeply affected and heartbroken over the suffering of their writers and friends, and for individuals to vilify them, to me, is mean-spirited. The network forced them back onto the air, so they're working to rule. If other writers are supporting them, why can't you? Oh, of course - because you're an anonymous hard-ass behind a keyboard.
OliverDreams @ 27:
you are right on my friend , what have they given us to vote for? more of the same crap weve allready got!!!!!it looks to me like the democratic party set us up to fail! they gave us two corporate whores , jesus how do you choose between that kind of crappy politician, oh i know the answer to that one , you dont need to investigate what they stand for ,you just pick from the black man or the female! and both are going to loose in november even if diebold doesnt pick for us, seems to me both the republicans and the demovrats stuck us with two sure loosers, and before you tell me mccdrool cant win because hes to old , remember they shoved ronny boy raygun up our ass for eight yrs!
abc news: hillary clinton remained silent as wal-mart fought unions
new york times: after mining deal, financier donated to clinton charity
newsweek: papers? what papers?
(i could keep going, but i trust you get the point.)
Did anyone notice how fast Chris Matthews turned on John Edwards when he dropped out Wed? Chris Matthews is the ultimate bandwagon MSM Hack, it doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or Republican when that person is done he turns on them faster then Rosie O'Donnell on Chinese take out..
xoites defends Constitution @ 68:
i believe what you wrote is called principles, and you have them , im tired of voteing and holding my nose doing it, the stinks just become to much to go thru! i voted for that slock kerry doing that , and like the guy i had finally got some faith in john edwards , kerry threw in the towel while the votes were still being counted , before that he said hed stick till they counted all the votes , edwards said as he asked for contributions , quote , im in it all the way to the democratic convention ! really ? edwards screwed his supporters too, and dont give me that crap he left because of elisibeths health , or he wasnt getting enough votes , he said till the convention, as he bummed more money, so i guess i was taken in by just another hack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meat @ 15:
Meat @ 15:
Bullshit! I'm sorry to write this, but it will be a looooong time before I watch either of them again. Sorry, but locking out the very people who actually WRITE the very material which makes you popular, simply because they want a little bit more of the humongous pie shared between the network and messrs Stewart and Colbert is something that I can't overlook. I expect this from middle of the road, bland, corporate "entertainers" like Leno, but not Stewart and Colbert.
MSNBC questions the 9/11 Commission Report. About time someone questions the damn thing.
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/30/624314.aspx
DUMBASS!
IMAO :)
mo_dems @ 14:
Not a bad idea. I think I'm with you on that one.
lettermans 10 best things about the state of the union:
10 it was his LAST one
9 no...really.... its almost over
8 no...he cant be president again
7 no...not even if everyone else dies
6 no...he cant even be first lady
5 no...we dont have to see him again
4 there is nothing in the economy left for him to ruin
3 there is nothing left in iraq for him to ruin
2 all his friends have to leave with him
1 no.... his brother cant be president either (NEW RULE!)
Priceless!!
Orangutan. @ 94:
Agreed! For both the primary AND the general elections.
Shell smashed all-time British company profit records today, posting 2007 earnings of $27.5billion (£13.9billion), and immediately ran into a storm with union leaders, who are demanding the Government hits the oil giant with a windfall tax.
Shell's profit surge - it is now making a staggering $75million (£38million) a day - on the back of a booming oil price that touched $100 a barrel this winter, was labelled as "obscene" by Tony Woodley of Unite, the UK's largest trade union, as Britons struggle with soaring energy costs.
"Shell shareholders are doing very nicely while the rest of us are paying the price and struggling," said Woodley.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article...
thank you DAVE
But you forgot Bush is a COMPETE incompetent, arrogant, law breaking, war mungering
nazi
miss_kitty @ 51:
Miss Kitty, I agree with your point about people taking for granted what the Unions earned with blood: that many of them spend their weekends badmouthing the very Unions who made weekends happen is painfully ironic, no?
Still, your absolutist position has boxed you in. Can you not say those three little words: I was wrong? When Meat makes a perfectly good point, you change the question. Everyone's wrong but Miss Kitty? Even when she loses a debate by making an absolute statement to begin with. (Hard to back away from a categorical absolute, isn't it?)
I've read your posts. You're way smarter than your pride is making you appear.
Ours is a society that affirms Life as Good only so long as it meets one condition: Absolute supremacy for Us/Absolute subjugation for Them (see the Us-Israel "Peace Process"). Et tu, Miss Kitty?
Meat raises an interesting point. What I can't believe is, where's Democracy Now! on C&L?
# Daily Kos
# democratic underground
# Digby
DN! is far and away the best news source going, yet you wouldn't know that from the blog rolls of many liberal blogs.
What's up with that? Are many of these so-called independent blogs actually fronts for the Democratic Party?
We show the world two faces, but, like the poster who so aptly described the BS nature of "bipartisanship," both D's and R's support the same unjust wars of aggression.
The Bipartisan Ship of Mother-Pimping Tools!
Dumbass!
That was gold, pure gold. Thanks, Letterman.
The Amy Goodman Propaganda Hour is pretty good news, provided you don't mind being propagandized, or have other sources to compare to.
Orangutan. @ 86:
I have wondered why also. I haven't seen a president like Obama in my lifetime.
"DUMBASS" Off the charts!
Most brilliant political video ever made!
Our Main Man fum' Tet'sas: CAUGHT ON FILM as his most
"dumbassedness" of all time !!!!!
gene214 @ 136:
Daily Show is owned by Viacom. Viacom refuses to make a deal with WGA -- WGA refuses to give DS a waiver (as they did David Letterman, but who owns his own show).
Daily Show could have simply folded, gone out of existence. The entire production staff were on the verge of being fired. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are both WGA members. They are over a barrel.
Arguably the baby has to be cut in half. So sure, that justifies righteous anger! Fuck them!! Or recognize that during this illegal gov't the odd situation of the Daily Show is pretty much the only major political show on our side of the equation would seem to be a good basis for WGA to continue to try to make a waiver in their case. Or else give no waivers, whatsoever, and let all the shows go to hell.
Blaming Jon Stewart is just blaming him for Viacom. Give him a waiver!
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