Countdown: The GOP Party Divide
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All the petulant tantrums of the rightwing punditocracy threatening to take their votes and leave the GOP electoral sandbox (metaphorically speaking) has Keith Olbermann and guest E.J. Dionne talking about how discomfited the GOP is about voters -- rather than the party leaders -- driving the party:
KO: The one calculation that seems to overarch everything else in this, that Romney needs to win like three out of every four remaining delegates to win the nomination. It doesn’t seem like the far right is going to get Romney. They can’t abide McCain. They only less can’t abide Huckabee by a small margin. Who do they want then?
EJD: Ronald Reagan.
KO: Okay, that’s a problem there too.
EJD: Maybe Herbert Hoover. Um, no, I think what you’ve got here is that they understand that this would be the first time since 1980 that the conservative movement itself didn’t name the candidate and I think some of these guys would rather lose the election than to have the party in some other set of hands. Because you do look at these primaries and the dominant wing of the party is not going to pick the nominee. People voting for McCain are people who don’t like the Iraq War, people who don’t like President Bush, moderates and there’s even some liberals left in the Republican party. They’re voting for McCain, and then he’s adding on just enough conservatives to win, and so they don’t want that calculus--that kind of coalition--to be in control of the party
I don't think so.
"People voting for McCain are people who don’t like the Iraq War"
Ummm... Mr. Let's be there for 100 years? WTF?
Oh, inasmuch as it's difficult to hear some democrats swearing they'd NEVER vote for Obama, or HRC, I LOVE watching the repuglican party lose it's wheels!!
I'll have a large popcorn please!
At least people have their eyes open and are looking for any schemes from the GOP. We don't have to be right every time in order to be on the lookout for right wing shenanigans.
Is KO drinking the kool aid too? I don't think so. Probably hasn't had time to analyze it yet.
Look at what the real message is. 2 weeks ago, Rush and Ann started saying that McCain is too liberal. Now a bunch of others are jumping on ship. The real message is that they think McCain will take away independant voters away from the democrats. They are trying to soften his image. Today, Romney got his message to drop out from the right wing establishment. He’s only following orders. I know that you are very smart and will spread this message. Don’t believe anything the right wing establishment says. They are the party of misinformation. Now organizers are telling the sheeple not to boo McCain. The talking points went out early today.
What America is witness to is a huge power shift. Especially between Mainstream Media and its mirror talk hate radio. Very powerful negative rhetoric is spewing out of Talk Radio against McCain. Now Romney drops back. While listen to MSNBC Chris Matthews discussed this bow out with Peggy Noonon. Peggy was not in a widow, not shown, but obvious very sniveling, snuffing with that cried nose whining. Sheesh, this gal just was emotionally broken up, so much so Matthews did not display her on video during the interview. Of course Noonon a regular analyst that is used to characterize Clinton was formerly special assistant to Reagan. A Conservative as a columnist for the Wall street Journal. Now super Richard Murdock hyper writer for the Wall Street Journal.
Two power shifts here, this one in the Republican side that seems to zero in on the Republican nominee McCain. And a very under reported win for Clinton in California and Massachusetts. Absolutely amazing, here, one would think with the hoopla and glitz of Oprah and Teddy Kennedy endorsing Obama creating a double digit lead in the poles. Obama would win. I thought that was going to happen, but no it did not, surprise. But, worse than a slap in face to Oprah and Teddy Kennedy, Clinton not only won in California but won in Massachusetts. An absolute power shift of extraordinary proportions that Mainstream Media is totally, totally, dismissing. Both Oprah and Kenney must be so embarrassed. Kennedy and Oprah placed their power efforts and they shriveled with Maria Owings Shriver. Especially the Kennedy’s are in denial that their exclusive torch of power is already shifting to the Clintons.
This part of America is sending a message that Obama, did not display enough to believe in, and lost California, worse those who believed in the Kennedy’s now believe in the Clintons. Very, very, change of events right before our eyes. Me, personally, after watching Obama and his support from Oprah and Kennedy more with arrogance than audacity, this part of America showed us Obama an’t no JFK. I thought Obama was going to win by a land slide. It did not happen. There is some kind of trust and motivation in Middle America that is rejecting Mainstream Media’s constant mantra that Hillary is polarizing America.
From Kung fu, Is it not clear “ Grasshopper” by watching the Republican Party That the America that is polarized because of Clinton, is not the electorate, It’s the Republican Party grasshopper.
And Mainstream Media with talk hate radio is complicit to the Republican Party from the get go.
Why should I care what K.O. or his guest says?
"KO: Who do they want then?
EJD: Ronald Reagan.
KO: Okay, that’s a problem there too.
EJD: Maybe Herbert Hoover. Um, no,..."
*Bwah ha hahaha! Funny.
again this just proves how out of touch the repug base is,they don't even know what kind of people are in their party.They just assume everyone of them signed the loyalty oath......clueless dolts.
VietVet8666 @ 6:
You shouldn't, but considering the fact that you then commented on it tends to indicate that you do.
People voting for McCain are people who don’t like the Iraq War
Then they're in for a BIG friggin' surprise.
ashton @ 9:
I give up. Trying to do what I shouldn't. Getting this site to focus more on what I deem important. I'm at fault.
Lemongrass @ 10:
10-4!!!
VietVet8666 @ 11:
Since you made it all about you, I agree.
It's all over the cable channels. They are after the independants. That is why Romney dropped out and why the right wing pundits are calling McCain a liberal. If you don't see it, read between the lines.
The Republicans trying to re-animate the corpse of Ronald Reagan is truly the state of the GOP. Calling Dr. Frankenstein! I also loved the line about "global-oney". The GOP's time has come and now is past. Time to re-inter the corpse of "our Blessed St. Ronnie" and let some new ideas take over for a while.
GREAT speech by John McCain.
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/02/john-mccain-addresses-cpac-speech...
"this would be the first time since 1980 that the conservative movement itself didn’t name the candidate"
Is this true? Dubya's father clearly was not the choice of the conservative wing of the party in 1988. McCain is clearly to the right of Bush the Elder. They less clearly and unanimously hated Dole, but he too was far too much an accomodationist to please them. Yes, when Dole first won his Senate seat he was indeed on the far right of the Republican Party. But, as with Goldwater, far right in the 60s and 70s was, by 1996, hopelessly liberal to these loonies. Even Dubya was not trusted initially, only winninghis bat-shit crazy wings post 9/11. But they always get the nominee to kowtow, to render obeisance to their mad creed, and this calms them down from their starting point in the nomination year, which is always mad baying at anyone to the left of Attila the Hun. This year has been no different, McCain is bowing and scraping and genuflecting at all the right times in their Black Mass. Doubtless the congregation of the Damned Republicans will soon be singing in their strange, mad harmony once again.
It's not the unhappiness of the loonies that the Republicans have to fear this year, it's the unhappiness of everyone else with the loonies that is toxic to them. That Southern Strategy dog-whistle has lost its pitch. It no longer sends out its secret signals to the loonies of the right in frequencies only the hopelessly insane can hear. Now everyone has noticed that these folks are both bat-shit insane, and yet are allowed to guide the hand of the Republican Party.
I hope the Republicans rip John "bullshit express" McCain to shreds. Let them go at him with the dirty stuff Rove went after him with. Talk about his wife, his kids, his plane going down, etc.
I never thought I'd say this, but I'm loving Rush and Hannity right about now. I am just hoping the bullshit express gets every tire shot out and every window smashed. This guy will make a terrible leader. He's a hot head and would be Bush on steroids. He's too old and too dumb.
Come on Obama. You gotta beat Hillary so we can start going after that POS.
Yes We Can
ashton @ 13:
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budda @ 17:
I refer you to comment #5. Pay attention to what they are trying to do.
Ron @ 5:
Great comment Ron.
If Obama gets the nomination the Republicans stand in disunity. If Hillary gets the nomination it will unite them. Hillary Vs. McCain is up for grabs. Obama Vs. McCain is a landslide for the Democrats.
Take your pick.
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xoites defends Constitution @ 21:
Obama Vs. McCain is a landslide for the Democrats.
OOOOhhh Yeah!!
Hey, I'm no analyst. I can see both sides. 1.) that the Goopers are fracturing (finally), or 2.) that this is a scheme to get Indies in McCain's column because a lot of fundies are gonna sit this one out.
Anyways, in the real world (Mich. to be exact), my parents who are life-long Repugs (my dad: a true fiscal conservative; my mom: a religious nut), indicated today with Romney dropping out that they are voting for Obama. If it's Hillary, my dad will still vote D, my mom isn't sure. If they've lost my folks, the GOP is in deep doo-doo.
"How to Serve Democrats," By Barry Obama
IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!!
The video the media doesn't want you to see.....YET.
http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/alexi.giannoulias.christine.2.332409.html
More background....
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/27/look-before-you-leap-obamas-mobb...
(Thanks to Josh@77 for bringing this out in another post.)
OK Hillary people, let the word out.
xoites defends Constitution @ 21:
I don't see the repugs winning under any circumstances.....with the numbers of voters coming in from Tuesday....8 mill for GOP and 15 mill for Dems..........I just don't see them winning.I think the Dems will support whomever the nominee is.Because the alternative is just way too much too accept.
ashton @ 9:
Don't feed the monkey
EJD's being too kind to McCain. He's probably personable enough with media pals for them to buy his "maverick" schtick but he's as down with the Republicult's neo-con, theo-con corpofascism agenda as BushCo.
I'm reading the anti-Romney / pro-Huck wave as a combination anti-Mormon sentiment blended into a Christian Nat'l power play. Getting it done now means they can collect their breath and before focusing their venom on the Dem candidates.
Killing goooood..... Vote Rethuglican.... Will never bite you in ass....
doggedly @ 27:
uncalled for.........he's entitled to his opinion.
I laughed my ass off when Keith said, "Oh, look the republicans are setting themselves on fire--go get the marshmellows". That is funny. I love that man.
K.O. was race baiting Hillary on day one after the Bill speech the media twisted into knots. As if KO got the talking points first. It was very disheartening. But I lived, learned, and changed the channel.
So much promise, such a betrayal....
These two clowns show that if you just ignore things, they will go away.
Ron Paul is not out yet. He is what the people want.
Republicans are ripping McCain now to bolster his image as a "moderate maverick." It's a risky strategy as much of their base is dumb and misinformed to buy it. What their banking is that in the end, Republican voters, who have the long term memory of an ant hive, will forget all about it and band together in time for the elections and enough Conservative Democrats and Independents will buy into it. Don't presume for a minute that this strategy can't work. If you don't think the misinformed mass of voters have bought the "moderate maverick" routine, you don't get out and talk to anybody outside your own group of friends.
Drew @ 33:
No, we don't.
"Who do they want then?
EJD: Ronald Reagan.
KO: Okay, that’s a problem there too. "
Who they really want is....
CHENEY!!!!!!
loubie @ 25:
So, because someone loans money to a person that may not be legitimate but has a credit history that qualifies them for that loan, you think the person who loaned the money is guilty of something. In the wordsof KO, you sir, are an idiot.
loubie @ 25:
Read it. All I can say is... TROLL ALERT!
I know Romney's already said 'no way' he'd be McCain's VP. But McCain / Romney '08 looks like a possibility.
Can't see McCain going for more than one term. And Cheney has redefined the office of vice president and significantly increased its scope.
If there's a significant drop-off of republicans voting in the rest of the primary. And I'm guessing there will be. I think the RNC can compel McCain to take on Romney. And Romney has made it clear he's willing to take one for the party (at least for one term).
Of course I'm just talking off the top of my head. But I don't think the republicans can sit the next election out. Especially with a democratic controlled house and senate.
"People voting for McCain are people who don’t like the Iraq War." Uh, say what? The Mad Dog is the one who wants to stay in Iraq for a hundred years! Who is this Dionne imbecile anyway?
Gouliani withdrew and endorsed McCain. Does this mean that Pat Robertson's endorsement of Gouliani travels to McCain? Robertson must recant in order to keep his nut of wing status.
People who don't like the Iraq war and Bush are voting for McCain? Republicans ARE stupid!
Snowball @ 35:
you got that right Snowball.No we Don't!
Snowball @ 34:
Most people know about his ultra right wing warmongering style, it's been on cable news networks for quite a while. For example Buchanon called him Bush on steroids recently, KO showed the bomb, bomb, Iran video, etc. If this is their mixed up talking points strategy it won't work.
Ron @ 14:
Romney would be more attractive to Independents than McCain, if he hadn't mistakenly run to the right of McCain. He withdrew because he screwed himself. As for the Independents voting for McCain, they would be no more likely to do that for a 'liberal' -- possibly less likely.
Sixty million R holding their nose voting for liberal McCain? Not likely. Even less likely if they label him such. They may get a few million independents, but they need all 60,000,000 to turn out and vote -- and they aren't going to get that, positioning him as a 'maverick.' That cow has already left the barn, and they are in DEEP SHIT.
Snowball @ 35:
then the war will continue - and expand - and the liberties and rights you have lost will not be rolled back.
Clinton and Obama are corporate whores - if not them directly, then look at their support staff to see who will be pulling the strings.
Both of them are globalists and will work against American interests.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23056355/ off topic......but should be reviewed.Returning Vets can't find work.Heck of a job there booshy
Drew @ 33:
That's true. He is a dishonest ideologue, who says that he wants to leave reproductive medical rights up to the states, and then tries TWICE last year to dictate that --PERSONHOOD-- starts at conception, which is utter nonsense.
Hey, guess what? Personhood exists before you even have a nervous system! I wonder Who put that personhood in there?
Paul/Romney would be a possible ticket. They are both COMPLETE LOONS when it comes to reproduction. Does L Ron Paul know that it takes four wives for a man to be complete in heaven? Or that it's cool if you want to marry your own children? Maybe there are new hidden secrets of personhood which are to be revealed, whenever it is Tom Cruise can tell L Ron Paul what they are.
Wake Up People.....The far right is playing up their "contempt" for Insane McCain....It's an act.....from Rush to Coulter to Hannity .... can't you smell Karl Rove's foul odor in this phony outcry of "he's not conservative enough"......this is an intentional effort to make the repub candidate more palatable to mainstream America when, in fact, he's a far right nut case with his bomb Iran and 100 years of war and support for tax cuts for the rich......that's what we need to be focused on...not this act from the far right....
Truth B Told @ 46:
LOL.......I'm not going to dignify this bs with a rebuttal.
Truth B Told @ 46:
They will definitely work against American WAR CRIMINALS' interests, unlike L Ron Paul, who opposes ALL international human rights treaties, would try to withdraw from the United Nations, and would ATTACK HOLLAND if the ICC arrested one of the Bushco torturers or one of Blackwater's target-shooting racists.
He's our Saviour.
mudshark @ 50:
thats because your in effin denial
Clinton - Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations
Obama - Council on Foreign Relations, Brzezinski - Bilderberg and Trilateral FOUNDER
you are a sucker who wont accept that the political system is GAMED by the elites -- and they play for keeps and fix the fights like a boxing match.
Ron @ 5:
I think you're on to something here. There is ALWAYS a method to the madness with the Republican Party. Paint McCain as a 'liberal' so that moderate Democrats and Independents will feel OK in voting for him.............makes sense to me. Combine this with the Swiftboating of the Democratic candidate; attempts to scare the electorate; and top it off with lot's of down and out 'we're going to lose big' rhetoric so as to make Democratic voters feel like they don't need to vote, and maybe just maybe, they can pull this thing off.
Paul in LA @ 51:
Its your United Nations that has set the stages for all the wars that have happened in the post WW2 landscape.
its the UN that created the Palestinian crisis
its the UN that ignores Dafur
its the UN that ignored Rwanda
The UN is ineffectual at its best, absolutely corrupt, and at its worst, a front for the Rockefeller ambition of World Government.
Truth B Told @ 52:
Which is why we would want to vote for a Republican bigot from Texas, who wants to dismantle everything the Dem party has accomplished.
What a solution set. Hey, vote for the guy who thinks that all federal lands ought to be privatized! That will stop the Bilderbergs.
Truth B Told @ 46:
Darn screwy commenting system. My reply is in there somewhere.
Most people know about his ultra right wing warmongering style, it's been on cable news networks for quite a while. For example Buchanon called him Bush on steroids recently, KO showed the bomb, bomb, Iran video, etc. If this is their mixed up talking points strategy it won't work.
Um no, most people don't pay that close of attention. They know about McCain's image, not his policy positions. Get out and about and try talking to some people about it.
Truth B Told @ 54 "Its your United Nations that has set the stages for all the wars that have happened in the post WW2 landscape."
And prevented several major wars which could have extinguished all life on the planet. But wait, L Ron Paul opposes NON-PROLIFERATION TREATIES too! He's our hero.
"its the UN that created the Palestinian crisis"
That is bullshit. It is Britain that brought about Israel, with Truman's help.
"its the UN that ignores Dafur
its the UN that ignored Rwanda"
And there you have it, the proof of your absurd idea that the UN should be dismantled because there is no way to force countries to stop genocides in Africa.
"The UN is ineffectual at its best, absolutely corrupt, and at its worst, a front for the Rockefeller ambition of World Government."
That is the paranoid model you believe. However, the UN is the repository of all international antiwar treaties, all anti-proliferation treaties, and all treaties upholding UNIVERSAL human rights -- all of which L Ron Paul opposes.
So we'll take half a loaf, instead of starving so your paranoid little master can stay pure for you.
Oh, that amazing John McCain has rescued conservatism from that evil Mr. Cheney. It's Reagan all over again.
Why aren't we yelling the truth. McCain is just 4 more years.
Paul in LA @ 55:
you're too blinded by devout party loyalty to think outside the box. you think that Paul would be able to achieve any of his less than desirable belief sets without a Congress? Of course, you are now accustomed to that think now that we have a defacto dictatorship installed and an obedient Congress at his side.
Perhaps you fancy a Democrat at the helm of such a dictatorship? BECAUSE NONE OF THE ABUSES OF THE REPUBLICANS will be rolled back without a Constitutionalist returning them to balance - and that only applies to Paul.
When will you grow weary of being a thrall of the elites? Do you like being so much cattle?
I think the "big" unreported story was Super Tuesday's turnout totals: D = +14 million v. R = +8 million. Republican will be a very tough brand to sell come November.
Hello? Ron Paul is... wait for it... A REPUBLICAN!
Ron Paul's solution for corporate corruption of our democracy? Just let them do whatever the hell they want totally unregulated. It's kind of like solving the problem of murder by decriminalizing it.
Paul in LA @ 59:
WHAT would L Ron Paul do about Darfur?
• Absolutely nothing. Not his problem.
He opposed the NATO bombing of former-Yugoslavia with huge predictions of an international crisis and massive death toll. None of that happened -- it was a huge success with very few casualties, that put Milosevich on trial for major warcrimes, and freed Kosovo and Bosnia to date.
"The biggest irony of this entire mess is to see the interventionists, whose goal is one world government, so determined to defend a questionable group of local leaders, the KLA, bent on secession. This action will not go unnoticed and will provide the philosophic framework for the establishment of a Palestinian state, Kurdistan, and independent Tibet, and it will encourage many other ethnic minorities to demand independence." -- L Ron Paul in Congress, 1999
A Palestinian state? Oh my. Well, it sounds like it's L Ron Paul who supports the "Palestinian crisis," eh? He sure doesn't support a separate Palestinian state, does he?
"What will the fate of NATO be in the coming years? Many are fretting that NATO may dissolve over a poor showing in Yugoslavia, despite the 50th anniversary hype and its recent expansion. Fortunately for those who cherish liberty and limited government, NATO has a questionable future."
Wrong again. And this is superb:
"The 1960s crowd, although having a reputation for being anti-war due to their position on Vietnam, has never been bashful about its bold authoritarian use of force to mold economic conditions, welfare, housing, medical care, job discrimination, environment, wages and working conditions, combined with a love for taxes and inflation to pay the bills."
Yes, it's that damn 1960s Crowd that has forced integration on the nation that is the cause of all our problems.
You're backing Strom Thurman.
Snowball @ 63:
another one blinded by party tags. think outside the box.
all your life you have conditioned and educated to only think within certain "approved" parameters.
your consent has been manufactured.
Gee, let's fight the elite by depriving workers of the ability to organize and eliminating the estate tax so we can have even more generational oligarchs. We can even bring back Pinkertons (privatized police) and Robber Barons. Brilliant!
Truth B Told @ 66:
And the stork brought yours?
Paul in LA @ 65:
And you're backing the Military Industrial Complex.
I'd take Strom Thurmond any day over the MIC.
Strom Thurmond?
Yeah, you got credibility now!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thing Fish @ 39:
mudshark @ 47:
Movement conservatism is dead for another 60 year cycle. The remaining 27%er wack-jobs, just won't realize it till they witness another couple election cycle blowouts!!
The young people today would rather go hunting with Dick Cheney, than vote for the party of close-minded, racist, bigoted, homo-phobic, talebangical nut-jobs. And the baby boomers who bought Reagan's shit sandwich 28 years ago, have finally realized they have been had by the economic elites, and they are leaving the repukes in droves. The GOPer's are well on their way back to a 29% minority status - for decades to come. I am really going to enjoy watching all these wing-nuts lose-it over the coming years!!
I'm a Social Democrat who believes that corporations should be regulated in the public interest, how is that within the "approved parameters" of the American capitalist system? Libertarianism is nothing but corporate funded political astroturf designed to appeal to pot smokers. In short, Libertarianism is Fascism with a joint in its left hand and the iron fist of oligarchy on the right.
Snowball @ 67:
I'd love to see the supporting evidence for those claims.
You'll never stop the elite, or remove them, by continuing to play the political game they set up for you to play. You have to make a bold stroke, not by using the pieces THEY provide for you to choose from.
You are moving in the terms that THEY prescribe.
Truth B Told @ 61:
Yes, vote for L Ron Paul -- He isn't all "less than desirable belief sets."
Just mostly.
"The 1960s were known for their rebellion against the Vietnam War and a preference for lovemaking and drugs over fighting, even Communists."
Oh, those "1960s" -- when will we learn?
xoites defends Constitution @ 70:
Coming from someone who supports the Military Industrial Complex, the do-nothing but posture UN, the bankrupt them IMF and World Bank
and candidates who support those organizations....
a system in place that has by one estimate, postulated by David Ray Griffin, caused the needless deaths of over 360 million people?
yeah, Thurmonds racism - which is what you are really getting at - surely makes the above shock beyond the pale. Moron.
Truth B Told @ 69:
No, that would be your L Ron Paul, who failed entirely to file a bill of impeachment for crimes he KNOWS happened.
I've protested the MIC my entire life, including during those '1960s.'
You? You support someone who wants to withdraw from the UN Charter, which, if followed, would have prevented the Bush Iraq Genocide, in order to be able to use nuclear weapons whenever HE (and "America") feels like it. Why should we be required to discuss our war plans with other countries? Fuck 'em.
Ron @ 37:
Wel, I figure Dems would like to hear about it now as opposed to September, when you will not be able to get that video (did you see it?) off of CNN.
Even putting the best face on this for Barry Obama, he took money from the guy when he was running for state office, then escorted him to the head of the line in the race for Treasury. Now the guy is giving B.O. more money for a White House bid. My question: This represents change, hope and the end of business as usual? I DO see audacity, though.
More, from NY Post, which for some reason endorsed Barry O.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09052007/news/nationalnews/obamas_mob_tie_id...
Alexi Giannoulias, who became Illinois state treasurer last year after Obama vouched for him, has pledged to raise $100,000 for the senator's Oval Office bid.
Before he promised to raise funds for Obama, Giannoulias bankrolled Michael "Jaws" Giorango, a Chicagoan twice convicted of bookmaking and promoting prostitution.
Giannoulias is so tainted by reputed mob links that several top Illinois Dems, including the state's speaker of the House and party chairman, refused to endorse him even after he won the Democratic nomination with Obama's help.
Giannoulias was the bank's vice president and chief loan officer for most of the more than $15 million in loans.
He was not charged with breaking any laws. The Obama campaign disputed any suggestion that Obama is tarnished by the association.
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You, sir, are an idiot if you believe the GOP won't serve up McCain's shiny military image against the one of Barry Obama hugging someone with ALLEGED MOB TIES.
Truth B Told @ 74:
You know me so well. I was once a commander in the Wermacht too!
Snowball @ 71:
Perfect.
Truth B Told @ 74:
I have opposed the MIC, the IMF, the World Bank, and a lot of other things not on your paranoid list. Democrats opposed CAFTA and lost by one vote. Progressive Democrats in Congress (and like me) opposed NAFTA.
Most of the REGULATIONS which have kept the country at all safe from DISASTER would be gutted under LRP's ideology. He believes that YOU, personally, can sue multinational polluters in local courts--that's why he wants to dismantle the EPA. And he opposes the FDA as well, so no food standards, just lawsuits.
He also opposes malpractice lawsuits! Instead, he wants to give the public a "Negative Outcomes" insurance tax break.
He's a target-rich environment.
Paul in LA @ 73:
oh yes, those are soooooo damning.
where are your candidates vowing to roll back the Patriot Act? roll back the warrantless wiretaps? roll back the Executive order 51?
Your candidates will not change a thing except for what the elites want to be changed.
And you didn't reply to my queries? do you fancy a turn of a Democrat at the helm of the current embodiment of this state created by the Bush team?
say its true. its okay. you're really just a closet bootlicker, only of a Democratic persuasion, and not too far removed from the Republican variety.
Truth B Told @ 80:
You are an insulting asshole who has bought a pile of shit from a snake oil salesman. You think everyone around you who did not go for the sales pitch you jumped at is a moron.
Here's looking at you, kid!
Paul in LA @ 75:
Your a dumbass if you think the MIC is only manned and staffed by the Republicans. Its a two team effort - that way the MIC guarantees its success.
Go read Ike's speech. the MIC is all encompassing.
You only protested one-half of it when the Republicans were at the helm, and likely acquiesced when YOUR side was calling the shots.
Got Magic Beans?
I remember Ike, unlike you. I protested LBJ, unlike you. I protested Nixon, Reagan, both Bush's, and Clinton.
You think that a Libertarian candidate with ten votes is going to suddenly overcome the nation's dislike of Libertarian candidates to take over the ship of state, and that isn't going to happen.
I'm a progressive Democrat, lifelong, and proud of it. Does that mean that I singlehandedly strode into the sea and shifted its course? No, it doesn't mean that.
But fairy tales don't come true, either.
Paul in LA @ 85:
There are a lot of things i disagree with you about, but you don't have to justify yourself to a raving lunatic.
Paul in LA @ 87:
You believe in the fairy tales of the UN and all those lovely worded platitudes you call international treaties.
you think that organizations and treaties created by the actual people that created them... the agents and tools of the elites...
are genuinely going to give a rats ass about if they actually are applied or enforced. NO. They are hollow instruments.
those organizations and they're laws and rules were built and established to only give themselves advantage.
They are not for you or the rest of the commoners. They are designed to codify the bully based system this world exists in.
wake up.
Snowball @ 60:
Um no, most people don't pay that close of attention. They know about McCain's image, not his policy positions. Get out and about and try talking to some people about it.
Sorry not buying the theory, it's interesting but the divide is real, the right is imploding and won't recover this year.
I love this picture of Barry Obama.
http://wonkette.com/politics/barack-obama/barry-obama-unsafe-at-any-spee...
loubie @ 91:
Parking violations.
Wow!
Holy Shit!
What a monster!
xoites defends Constitution @ 92:
I just think the picture's funny. (Tone of the article suggests they are not too excited about the ticket issue.)
Still, donations from and giant favors for someone with mob ties. Not sure how that fits in with the "its time for a change" theme. Seems like same old politics to me, kind of Bernie Kerick style.
Oh, I'll just leave it to the media and the GOP to explain it come September.
Have a lovely Red November.
I am still dealing with February, but thanks.
Truth B Told @ 89:
YES I DO!
loubie @ 93:
Even the trolls are desperate.
Paul in LA @ 95:
Then you are a sucker.
The UN was created by and for the benefit of the elite. An elite that is largely psychopathic. An argument you willfully ignore.
unless you consider yourself one of the so-called elites of the either the financial oligarchy, the military industrial complex, or its lowly hired minions.
wow the Alex Jones/Ron Paul crowd are really out in full force for this thread.
Go back to infowars, where you can shine each other's tin foil hats with Alex.
Truth B Told @ 97:
Fine, you have your assessment. You, follow a bigot isolationist who is still angry that people freed themselves from his paternalist, bigoted elitist WASP supremacy.
A Republican -- who will NOT file impeachment of the bastards who have robbed the country (and then some). He's such a hero he can't file an impeachment bill.
On that level Dennis Kucinich has ten times the balls of L Ron Paul, R ring-kisser.
Scott Horton has a great read why impeachment is necessary, even more so as we approach the end of the Bush/Cheney regime. Horton traces English history and the founders' memories of monarchical tyranny to show impeachment was not understood by the founders to require what we think of as a crime, like a felony or misdemeanor - "high crimes and misdemeanors" meant something entirely different: in short, the subversion of the constitutional order requiring an extraordinary remedy against the usurpation, the illegal seizure, of power. In this light, impeachment may well be said to have been designed precisely for the situation we now face - a runaway unitary executive that does not recognize the traditional constitutional powers of the legislative and judicial branches and thus acts with complete impugnity and without any constraint from any law or institution. Impeachment is the last stopgap against this unconstitutional mutiny by the executive. No executive has the powers Bush and Cheney claim under the constitution. And there is essentially nothing left but impeachment to vindicate that principle.
Herbert Hoover...hmm history does repeat itself.
Time for the crybaby Remugs to move over and let the adults get some work done.
Gotta go now, my maccaca needs to get burped...
Keith Olbermann, hes very intelligent within a very narrow spectrum of thought.
"I wanted to do a special comment, and my boss said, OK."
Ha Ha Ha yea right. When the loonie bush is gone, your special comment will be gone aswell. Tool!
Like watergate, get rid of the loonie in order to protect the system!
Or otherwise the sheep will look up from eating the grass and see the wolf approaching.
Paul in LA @ 98:
That you cant even get the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism renders this opinion moot. There's a huge difference.
And that you think the people are freed from the Wasp elitist supremacy demonstrates your utter blindness to the reality of who governs you.
You are a slave in system that has evolved without the need for chains.
The greatest "divide" between the party is irrelevant to our State of our UNION.
The division that IS being SET is the LINE between government and the CITIZENS of United States. There are no separate books of laws for government and a separate books of laws for citizens. Otherwise this is no longer a DEMOCRACY. Immunity for government lawbreakers is a false democracy and a soft facism.
What holds "UNITED" in our nation is the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Laws. The LAWS are NO DIFFERENT to government and it's people. THEY ALL must follow the SAME LAWS. That is why in a Democracy...NO ONE is above the LAW. Not a President, not a governor, not a mayor ,,,,,,or any SPEAKER of the HOUSE.
It is IMPERATIVE for ALL citizens to study DEMOCRACY and the U.S. Constitution.
For the current government IS committing a schenanagen UNDER your noses. WHEN the GOVERNMENT tells you YOU don't matter in so many ways, when you are denied your rights to justice, your rights to a day in court, your rights to be heard.....your right for the truth.....THEN......YOU ARE BEING LYNCH.....to hang as a meaningless AMERICAN.
Nancy Pelosi (and her complicit congress followers) are doing just THAT by taking the U.S. Constituiton "off-the-table". Her false LEADERSHIP has lynch the IMPEACHMENT....and OUR U.S. Constitution is suffocating.
Nancy Pelosi gave John Conyer just enough rope to hand himself if he doesnt follow her lead. This is John Conyers fears.
If John Conyers would just come to his senses and stand with AMERICANS and the U.S. Constitution....WE WILL GIVE HIM more room to escape the political lynching of Nancy Pelosi threats and the lawlessness of the Bush Regime.
His fellow BLACK AMERICANS died out of lynching and many more have survived fighting for CIVIL RIGHTS. He should know better.....for MLK KNEW that it is the U.S.Constitution that guided us to FREEDOM.
Well, it's the same way with the Democrats. I have a strong feeling that a lot of Democrats will be leaving the sandbox if Senator Clinton is nominated-- especially if she is appointed by the Superdelegates.
All you need to know: http://blueherald.com/2008/02/this-is-all-you-need-to-know-about-mccain/
john @ 103:
In favor of what? Democrats are NOT going to vote for McCain't, or (L) Ron Paul.
There are plenty of Independents in play, but Dems are not stupid.
Conyer's state of mind is like a little black kid who was given the front seat of the BUS (as the House Judiciary committee chair) driven by the first female (bus driver/speaker of the bus) Nancy Pelosi; so that he would shut up about calling for the impeachment. (squeeling of Rosa parks).
If Dr. King was alive and Rosa Parks was alive.......
Conyers might have just been reminded why he is where he is NOW. MLK probably reminded him why he and his people have the liberty he now enjoys. And Rosa Parks would have reminded him now that he is sitting in the front seat not to forget those that the view to IMPEACHMENT is much clearer and more probable than not when sitting at the back seat. He had a clear view of a complex case leading to the impeachment of Richard Nixon, and a clearer view in the simple case of Bill Clintons impeachment.
Has he gone senile in his ride to the current president? Conyer claim that he know better than anyone else in congress and has the experience going through more IMPEACHMENT hearing than anyone in congress and even wrote a book for a case to impeach BUSH. Even his WIFE called him to task to IMPEACHMENT hearing. Has he not only gone senile but also gone deaf at his old age? Or is it PTSD from the civil unrest permeating from the loss of so many brothers from the lynching that got him scared to make use of his new found power?
He waited for this Chair that he deserved.....why not pave or cement a legacy that WE CAN BE PROUD OF?
If a brother (Conyer) do not have the guts to raise hell when the man at the top is putting our people through hell, what make anyone think that OBAMA can do what MLK did for the likes of Conyer?
It is either WE stand up and defend the U.S. Constitution or just simply defend the political party. Which is it John conyers? Are You united with AMERICA or are you divided and on the side of a corrupt government?
Proud American @ 102:
Chairman Conyers has done more for the Constitution than you could do in five lifetimes.
As for the scurrilous slander about Speaker Pelosi, it is bunk. Chairman Conyers is just as much of a realist as she; he supports her implicitly, and she supports him with the same great love.
Any sort of impeachment during an election year is, according the Chairman back in 2004, likely not going to happen. That said, he certainly would understand that these are historic crimes on a scale never seen before, so more may be possible.
• What is needed, instead of making up weird theories about Pelosi and Conyers, two well-known, loyal, agents of change in America, is either:
• Any Republican, to file the bill.
• Republican electorate pressure on their Representatives to support.
Without that, you (we) have nothing. Republican support for the action, some at least, is the only thing that will move the Dem caucus.
The other factor is that Rep. Kucinich has to not file on Bush himself, which is a whole other kettle of fish, and would probably signal the end of the remaining opportunity before December. It's an expression of weakness if he files the second bill.
Proud American @ 106:
Scurrilous slander. Chairman Conyers has been in the Congress since the Nixon impeachment (he was on the committee). He's beloved in his Detroit district, which is also the largest Arabic speaking district in the U.S. He is NOT suffering from racial alienation -- that's one of the most mature, studied, LIBERATED afro-americans anyone can name.
I would vote for Conyers for President without hesitation. I would work my heart out for him. He's a thousand times the mensch of D. Kucinich, and you appear to be entirely wrong about the reasons for his actions.
Paul in LA @ 105:
I have a feeling that if the nominees come down to Clinton and McCain, there will be a lot of voters staying home. There will be a large turn-out, but not the record numbers you saw in the midterm elections in 2006.
Why? Because people won't see that they're really changing things.
Remember-- we voted in 2006 to end the war in Iraq and to impeach the president. What we got in return was Nancy "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi and Harry "Holds only work for Republicans" Reid.
It would add insult to injury to get Hillary "Go Ahead and attack Iraq" Clinton to make a trifecta.
Paul in LA @ 107:
This debate IS not what you claim they have "done more for the constitution". Besides if I recall correctly that it was the U.S. Constitution that has "DONE MORE" for us; "Done more" for our freedom; "Done More" for our Democracy (including Conyers and madame Pelosi) than the other way around.
remember the quote: Ask not what you can do for yourself, ask what you can do for your country? YES as a public servant, we expect them to naturally do all they can for the greater good. And to do it within the LAWS. I do not discount their good deeds....if you are reminding me of it. It is a given.
What is not being appreciated by YOU is my attempt to narrow down the debate. Specifically the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution and particularly the oath they took. and the issue of : dereliction of duty.
WE want to put the legislative and the judicial branch to test.
WHO among the elected officials are defying the rule of laws and the U.S. Constitution (i.e. IMPEACHMENT proceedings). If she claims that she does not have 60 votes, who is it not giving her those votes? By Pelosi not stonewalling that process is an obstruction. It is her prerogative and she alone will have to justify that to the AMERICAN PEOPLE....who will be the judge and jury to her action.
I can’t think of anything that would scare the GOP right wing and their media supporters more that a Democratic landslide in which Clinton or Obama carried a majority of their party’s Congressional candidates to victory on their coat-tails. So what gives? I don’t think self-destruction has become their primary objective. Perhaps it’s an effort to convince independents that McCain is more moderate than ha actually is, or for those really naïve voters, that he is more liberal than either Democrat. Is there really any question as to whether a Republican or Democratic Administration would undo and investigate the excesses and corruption that has occurred since 2001?
Paul in LA @ 108:
Yeh right....
Thank GOD we still have the the U.S. Constitution on our side so that WE have the RIGHTS to disagree.....
But anyone who BEND the rule will no longer stand erect. U.S. Constitution MUST NOT be warped in anyway by anyone.....NOT by the President, Not by the Speaker of the House, Not by Supreme Court Judges. and certainly not by their supporters of such an act. Your argument and judgment of their character is warped by their good deed and forgetting that it is their job to do that. The issue is the violation and the crimes.
It is like saying my father who is a heart surgeon has saved thousands of live but we must close our eyes now that he does not want to perform a surgery because the ailing man does not have any money or simply does not like the patient.
Or my father has save so many lives therefore he should be excused for killing one man.
This is absurdity. The case is NOT about what was done that was good.....the case is what is being done or undone that is bad.
There is certainly a thin line in your argument.
john @ 109:
If Clinton and McCain is left holding the torch.
I will consider switching party. I would vote for any party but democrat or republican unless they are proven defender of the U.S. Constitution.
Paul in LA @ 105:
Some are, but I think more likely is that some of the Obamans will lose their newly-found fervor for politics and return to their apolitical haze.
#62- HRC, Obama AND McCain are 4 more years of the same, I am afraid...
I wanted Edwards. Say what you will about Ron Paul, he's completely wrong on many things= but he'd get our troops home immediately, unlike HRC and Obama.
And I don't see anyone else who understands the current plight of our economy like Paul
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2008/0206b.html
If Obama OR Hillary want my vote, and a hundred thousand others like it- They need to start speaking out on getting us out of Iraq, reversing interventionist foreign policy, ending the corporate and oil industry choke hold on Congress, holding the traitors like Cheney, Rove, AND EVERY SLIMY Aide, Assistant, Congressman, and appointee who had something to do with the attorneygate scandal.
I'm tired of hearing generalities from Hillary and Obama. If they can't even speak out against Bush- the biggest screwup in the past 50 years- then how "strong" do you think they'll be in office?
Your bosses allow you as much freedom as is necessary to protect the system. If the loon in the W.H. gets out of hand, you are allowed to employ your fantastic vocal abilities to put the loon back in line.
Mr Nixon did not get back in line so they used people like you to remove him ever so gently from office, while the system remained untouched.
And in the mean time you can debate wheather Hillary or obama or mcCain have the white'st teeth. You are of no danger to the prevailing masters.
Leave Bush where he is, rather an obvious loon as a sofisticated psyco!
I thought the republican divide was when (m)ann coulter got soused, layed back on top of the cocktail piano, and took all comers.
HAHA, you blog on Keith Olberman!!!
Keith Olbermann is a disrepectful, narrow minded jackass.
I feel he should be tried for sedition.
Gary Johnston @ 122:
You must be joking!
Sedition?! Really?! You must be either really sarcastic...or hopelessly brainwashed by the likes of O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Beck, and other such lowlife propagandist tools
liberalNmoderation @ 123:
(1) I'm not joking.
(2) Yes I am being sarcastic - though I doubt you meant to use the word properly.
(3) I had no idea the people you list were pro paganism.
Can you cite a source fort this claim?
Do pro-pagans use magic on pro-sports for profit?
Talk about being a profit in your own time.
Read Article III, section 3 of the US Constitution and the World War I cases of Abrams v New York and Gitlow v New York.
One of the earliest highest-profile treason cases was Aaron Burr, and he was neither executed nor sentenced to life in prison.
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