At this point, it is entering the realm of the insulting.

Really Conyers? After 8 years of this cabal, with a major scandal on a weekly basis you still have the stones to ask what needs to be brought up?

Fuck you!

It is abundantly clear to me that there is something wrong with our government. It is corrupt, it is not acting in the best interests of the electorate, it is not fulfilling its Constitutional duties.

Man, what are we gonna do? This is all so depressing.

prunes @ 4:

It is abundantly clear to me that there is something wrong with our government. It is corrupt, it is not acting in the best interests of the electorate, it is not fulfilling its Constitutional duties.

Man, what are we gonna do? This is all so depressing.

It's what I said: Find out what they're afraid of. Expose it. Force them to get out, and move in CLEAN people who are not wallowing in the filth that this current batch of scumbags seem to be wallowing in.

I'm not depressed.

I'm fucking ANGRY.

We need to impeach our ENTIRE government!
They're all corrupt, lying sacks of shit! People,
we need to start voting in third party candidates.
Enough of this so-called 'two party' system that
operates as one...against us.

Strawberrybitch @ 3:

If we ever see impeachment hearings, I'll take a vow of abstinence. And six weeks later, you'll read about me in the Enquirer erupting into flames due to spontaneous combustion.

It doesn't take much for a redhead to spontaneously combust...I know..I date one! LOL!

Sorry, couldnt' resist, strawberry! LOL!

Also, a lot of it has to do with lobbyists.
They have WAY too much influence over
politicians.

i love the activism, it is awesome...

but, in my normal contrarian way, i wonder why scads of calls, emails, faxes and the such is going to change conyers 'do-nothing-about-presidential-crimes' mindset. its not like conyers isn't fully aware of what bush has done, of people's intense passion around this issue. he knows. he has just decided, or been told, to do nothing.

it wreaks of partisanship. instead of doing what is best for america he, and the nancy pelsosis of the world, worry that any action against bush will hurt dems chance in 08. first off, that is a big assumption to make. secondly, hello, this is the REASON we have congresss, as a check on executive power. conyers, until he stops stonewalling, is failing america.

Conyers is on cspan as we write. They are on the FISA bill.

Please also give Henry a call:

Valerie Plame is talking about Sibel Edmonds

Henry Waxman is grilling a baseball player, Roger Clemens, about steriods while refusing to grill the state department about reported TREASON in the state department (Sibel Edmonds: Reported in London Times)

Please call him and let his office know that you find that “the war on steriods” should take a back seat to investigating TREASON involving the sale of nuclear secrets. Sibel Edmonds, featured on CBS 60 Minutes, names names and is very credible.

http://www.henrywaxman.house.gov/contact.htm

In Washington, D.C.
2204 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
(202) 225-3976 (phone)
(202) 225-4099 (fax)

In Los Angeles
8436 West Third Street, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90048
(323) 651-1040 (phone)
(818) 878-7400 (phone)
(310) 652-3095 (phone)

If we had a true free press in control of a mass media..
The nightmare of the last 7 years would NEVER have happened.

The US media is complicit in these crimes.

The relationship between the CIA, corporate media and corporate billionaires
..has resulted in the demise.

But the people are fighting back... The crimes of BUSH and CHENEY is NOT an acceptable precedent.

And neither is ANY firm that supplied war materials to Sadaam Hussein.
Or any presidential candidate that served on the board of any of those firms.

Johnny2Bad @ 21:

Dana @ 8:

We need to impeach our ENTIRE government!
They're all corrupt, lying sacks of shit! People,
we need to start voting in third party candidates.
Enough of this so-called 'two party' system that
operates as one...against us.

You mean you don't "believe" in "hope" and "change"? What kind of racist, war mongering hater are you?

I believe in hope and change but I believe that we have to do it. No super heroes . . . just us.

Phone calls, emails, faxes to Conyers?

Here's a faster, easier, less-painful way to arrive at the same result:

Jot down on a piece of paper everything Bush has done to merit impeachment.

Carefully fold the paper and place it in your shirt pocket.

Run head-first into the nearest brick wall.

Avid Reader @ 18:

Please also give Henry a call:

Valerie Plame is talking about Sibel Edmonds

Henry Waxman is grilling a baseball player, Roger Clemens, about steriods while refusing to grill the state department about reported TREASON in the state department (Sibel Edmonds: Reported in London Times)

Please call him and let his office know that you find that “the war on steriods” should take a back seat to investigating TREASON involving the sale of nuclear secrets. Sibel Edmonds, featured on CBS 60 Minutes, names names and is very credible.

http://www.henrywaxman.house.gov/contact.htm

In Washington, D.C.
2204 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
(202) 225-3976 (phone)
(202) 225-4099 (fax)

In Los Angeles
8436 West Third Street, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90048
(323) 651-1040 (phone)
(818) 878-7400 (phone)
(310) 652-3095 (phone)

thanks for that avid reader!!!

i am insanely pissed off that something as inconsequential as steroid use in big boy games is MORE important than treason in the congress and in the msm...

Relatedly, the House looks like it will actually stand up and play chicken with Bush over FISA/PAA. They will be voting on a 21-day extension (that Bush says he'll veto) in less than an hour. If you've got a Blue Dog in the House, call him or her now. As in, stop reading and start dialing. Maybe mention Donna Edwards, as that could help convince said Blue Dog to sit up, instead of roll over.

People keep saying that the dems don't have a backbone - but it's not true - they have a very strong spine and they continue to use it AGAINST the will of the people. There is a frightening article in the SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE no less about the powers this president has and how the gov't , with no-bid contracts, are building prisons all over the country - who are these prisons for?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/04/ED5OUPQJ7.DTL

Why is the gov't buying trains with shackles, undisclosed prisons and the like? Remember - people don't look at Hitler and ask why didn't the German Parliament stop him - they ask why didn't the German people stop him.

Let us not be judged similarly. Writing letters to congress and being "nice" isn't working any more. What are we going to do people?

If we elect a new president, what permanent change in the trajectory of where this country is going can ever happen if the crimes of the Bush regime are not brought out in the public square, exposed, investigated, and justice is done? If the new “progressive” candidate promises change in areas of health care, the economy, and tax breaks, all of which may prove beneficial to the average American temporarily, what REAL and LASTING change will occur in this country and the world as the U.S. Government continues the same program: bombing Iraq, bombing Pakistan, goes on to bomb Iran, continues to spy on Americans, New Orleans remains a disaster area, detainees continue to be tortured, and the whole program set in place by the Bush regime is solidified and made permanent? It is critical to fully understand that without an absolute repudiation of the crimes of the Bush regime that the program and agenda of the last thirty years of influence by neo-con, corporatist, theocratic, and war mongering elitists these groups will continue to have over-reaching power in this country.

I left a message saying that if he doesn't start impeachment proceedings by December, it's only fair that he be the one, and the only one, to stay in Washington over Christmas break.

Petro @ 15:

Lollimom @ 1:

...I want to know precisely what this man is afraid of. If he is being blackmailed, the he (and all other dems who have "goods" against them) need to step down, get out, and let other, cleaner people take over.

Sadly, it's not even blackmail.

I can tell you right now: He's lying. Everything in his body language, and his condescending remarks tell me he's lying.

That man needs to go.

Thanks for the clip. Very telling.

"..if we started an impeachment hearing that didn't succeed...they would say that [Cheney? Bush?] is being demonized...they would take that right into the election of 2008..."

So he got elected in order to ...? .... stay elected?
Useless hack.

Lollimom @ 34:

I can tell you right now: He's lying. Everything in his body language, and his condescending remarks tell me he's lying.

That man needs to go.

Thanks for the clip. Very telling.

My pleasure. I appreciate your take on it...

I got through on both numbers though it took awhile. They were kinda defensive. Didn''t want to take a position either way and then put me through to a comment line.

The corporations and the billioinaires are closing ranks and pushing us toward facism. No one stood to oppose Hitler, thus far no one will oppose this movement either. I'm not sure what to do.

John @ 9:

I think at this point we need to forget about impeachment and start on War Crimes prosecution. I don't think there is a statute of limitations, if we lay the groundwork now, and don't let go, eventually we will have a favorable political environment to prosecute.

Exactly. Then he can't pardon himself either. Yay!!

They may be able to ignore emails and faxes and calls.... but they couldn't ignore 30,000 people marching up the hill to demand impeachment from the guy.

We need to start a People's Resolution to Impeach Congress and we need to deliver it to every Congressman, news outlet, blog and house hold. The only way you're going to get these people to listen to you is if you slap them in the face with a codfish. They're not listening because they're more afraid of George W. Bush than they are of us. Perhaps rightfully so, since all we can do is get irritated and note vote for them whereas George W. Bush can have them all declared terrorists and have them shipped off to a CIA black sight to be tortured.

We put them in office and they know that our only other choice is Republicans and they know we're not going to vote that way. So they think they have an easy win on their hands. The only way to get them to do their damned jobs is to make them realize you'll vote 3rd party before you vote for them if they're just going to sit there and let the nation burn.

Wow --- your "Leaders" in action.
Battered spouse syndrome at its finest here folks.

E in Md @ 47:

Maria @ 43:

Ladies and Gentlemen,

And, many of you are complaining about the backbone of the Democrats -- where is the backbone of the electorate?? There is NO WAY that this country is willing or ready for another impeachment travesty. So, please move on and vote in November -- not just for the President but for you city, local, state and federal officials.

We're not talking about impeaching somebody because they got a blow job and lied about it. THAT was an impeachment travesty. We're talking about a President who ignores Congress, lies to Congress and the American people, kidnaps and tortures people, wipes his butt with the Constitution, willfully and knowingly breaks the law and orders others to do it too.

If there were EVER a reason for impeachment, George W. Bush is it.

If you think lying to Congress about an affair is on par with lying to them about your justification for a war that's killed almost a million innocent people and spent over half a trillion dollars then there's something seriously fucking wrong with you.

I'm not comparing Bush's America to Nazi Germany but I fear that history will. We must stop the bleeding now! Our republic is in the ICU barely hanging on.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0911-28.htm

I always hear, we need to do this, we need to do that, but I never see anyone actually DO anything. There are so many like-minded people out there who would be a powerful force if only one person would come up with a plan and get it started.

Where I live a small group of us are fighting corruption on the local level and making a difference. No one up till now has bothered and local officials have been doing as they please. We have them shaking over possible (upcoming but they don't know yet) investigations and all of a sudden they are doing their jobs properly. Gotta start somewhere, and I don't plan on stopping here. If 5 people can shake up a local government, it can infect all the way up with the numbers we have willing and wanting to see change in this country.

Maria @ 51:

Ed in MD -- you're right we are not talking about a blow job, but there is NO WAY we are going to impeach Bush. What I am trying to get across is that you are wasting your time being angry at Rep. Conyers, etal. Trust me, he wants to impeach Bush, but he does not have the support of Congress. Please remember that the Democrats have a pretty good majority in the House, but the Democrats in the Senate do not. You can't get a toilet paper bill passed in the Senate without 60 votes!! That is why is if you want to accomplish something and make a statement, vote in November and make the United States Senate Democratic majority more solid.

Do you really honestly think that this country is ready for another impeachment?? No.

ummm, yes... i do.

but, really, that is a bad way to view this issue. does that really matter what people are ready for? impeachment needs to happen when the president uses his office to the detriment of the country and the constitution. it has nothing to do to with polls, or public opinion. laws were broken, and people must be held accountable.

the notion that our goal should be to increase the democratic majority in congress instead of holding people accountable for their heinous crimes smacks of petty partisanship and is just another reason why many refuse to join the democratic party.

put the country first, not the party.

Yes. By all means. Call, write, email Conyers. The same with Clinton. Feinstein. Pelosi. etc. etc.

It won't do a damn thing.

The Democrat political establishment has determined that impeachment by the voters is the only impeachment they'll accept.

George Bush could murder someone on videotape and the Democrats would tell you "it isn't in the people's interests" to pursue a criminal sanction against Der President.

After being a lifelong Liberal Democrat, I am now a complete cynic in regard to anything of substance being done by the Party to reel in the current criminal Administration. I will still vote Democrat in the election because I know the Republicans are far worse liars, criminals, and sociopaths. There is no hope for real change until the Democratic Party is purged of RINOs, the DLC Bluedog pack of corporate whores. Do not waste time debating their defenders on this board or anywhere else. They are immune to reality and facts, and feeding the trolls only encourages them.
Squash them in the next round of Democratic primaries.

... and:
If Impeachment proceedings are not done advanced this year, the entire section on Impeachment should be removed from the Constitution.

Maria @ 51:

Ed in MD -- you're right we are not talking about a blow job, but there is NO WAY we are going to impeach Bush. What I am trying to get across is that you are wasting your time being angry at Rep. Conyers, etal. Trust me, he wants to impeach Bush, but he does not have the support of Congress. Please remember that the Democrats have a pretty good majority in the House, but the Democrats in the Senate do not. You can't get a toilet paper bill passed in the Senate without 60 votes!! That is why is if you want to accomplish something and make a statement, vote in November and make the United States Senate Democratic majority more solid.

Do you really honestly think that this country is ready for another impeachment?? No.

Yes, as a matter of fact I do and I believe that it is in fact the sworn duty of Congress to impeach him.

And if the Democrats had any guts what so ever they'd take that slim majority and cram it down the Republicans throats. The Republicans are able to pulls off the shit they pull off because they stick together. They threaten a filibuster and the Dems cower and back off. They call the Dems soft on terror and the Dems go hide under their beds. The most recent example would be the FISA bill. The right thing to do would have been to strip any immunity provisions from the Bill. Yet the amendment still failed with quite a few Dems voting to kill it.

They need to decide who they serve. If they do indeed serve us, then they need to get on their feet and start cleaning house. No more of this bullshit looking into steroids in baseball. Start filing subpoenas for Bushies and if they don't show up go send someone to arrest them at their houses or jobs. And if Mukasey and his lackies won't do it, then start first with a special prosecutor and put Mukasey on trial...

and if any of this doesn't work, filibuster and vote down every bill that comes through Congress that Republicans want. Vote down every amendment and earmark. Paralyze the government.

All they need to do in order to do this is stick together and start leaning on the RINOS instead of cowering every time someone says 'Boo'

They work for US, not George W. Bush and not the Republicans in the Senate, not Blackwater and not the telecoms, and the only reason they still have their cushy Congressional seats is because WE put them there.

Samson- @ 54:

Maria @ 51:
put the country first, not the party.

Samson- @ 54:
put the country first, not the party.

Here here!

I called and spoke with a human after 100 rings

WHAT FREAKING DIFFERENCE WILL IT MAKE? Bush is in office less than another year, time enough to do whatever damage he wants. Even if he is impeached, he can stall around long enough to finish his term and light out for the Paraguay Ranch. The impeachment is about 6 years overdue. At this point, Bush & Co. simply do not give a damn. Martial law can still be declared. The Halliburton-built prison camps are in-place. (They Exist! Check on it!) Face it...we're stuck with this asshole until January. And if we are really lucky, Obama will manage to get a few good things accomplished before he is either hamstrung by some manufactured "scandal" like the Lewinsky Affair, or until the dirtbags who are REALLY running this country, the Cheneys and Scaifes and their ilk, arrange for some Iranian Nutcase to assasinate him so they can go on with their war profiteering. .

I know being negative won't help, but, this CONgress has known this crap for almost 8 years. They haven't done ANYTHING up to now, and they won't. Before the Iraq invasion, millions and millions the world over marched in protest. Did that work? Nope.

hug the moon @ 67:

E in Md @ 65:

Checkur6 @ 55:

Ladies & Gentlemen

300,000 folks marching on Washington DC screaming IMPEACH BUSH would do the job and quite nicley I might add.
They can not and will not ingnore that.
So what are you going to do?

Yeah that's what I'm talking about.

Do these 300,000 carry pitchforks and torches? 150,000 US troops can not take Baghdad, with the ull mite of the US military and most of our tax dollars behind them. How will 300,000 people holding spray painted bedsheets going to take out the establishment? At least it will serve as an historical marker.

Maybe a national strike would be better.

Maybe.

If one looks at the history of the United States the only time in its history that changes,real changes have been made was when the people protested. I look back at the Vietnam War protest and if it weren`t for those we would still be fighting that war also.
There is strength in numbers. Look at our congress today that proves the point.

> WHAT FREAKING DIFFERENCE WILL IT MAKE?

Because it's not about removing Bush or Cheney from office. Have NO illusion: an impeachment investigation will result in NO charges and even if it does a trial will result in acquittal.

Full stop.

I support impeachment not because it will have the effect of removing Bush from office. Nor I do I support it because I think it will advantage or disadvantage either political party.

I support it because I consider it to be constitutionally mandated. It is illegal, as far as I'm concerned, not to pursue an investigation wherever it leads when this much evidence of wrongdoing is lying thick on the ground.

You find a dead body in the Oval Office, you conduct an investigation. It does not matter if the president is popular and has so much congressional support that you can never hope to effectively prosecute him for murder. You investigate anyway and let history judge those who would acquit in full light of the facts and not based on spinuendo.

I also support an investigation because choosing not to investigate gives tacit and direct approval of the manner in which Bush and Cheney have conducted themselves. It says that the only disagreement between the administration and the congress is on matters of the politics of foreign and domestic policy. It says that there is no credible evidence of any real wrongdoing on anyone's part.

And it gives full permission to the next president...and the president after that...and the president after that...to do everything Bush has done. If they ever get called on it, they can say 'hey, you didn't even bother to investigate BUSH for this stuff...why am I so special?'

We owe it to history and to what integrity of good government we have left. Counting votes and dissecting internal party dynamics have no place in this conversation. That's what the regular order of business is for.

ConcernedCanuck @ 70:

I know being negative won't help, but, this CONgress has known this crap for almost 8 years. They haven't done ANYTHING up to now, and they won't. Before the Iraq invasion, millions and millions the world over marched in protest. Did that work? Nope.

so true.

i live in philly and we had tens of thousands of peeps walking down market st and around independence mall protesting the notion of illegally invading iraq. the result: nothing. unless you were in center city when this was going down you heard nothing of it.

and, imho, the biggest reason why these protests and marches were so ineffective was due to the fact the msm barely covered them, if at all. what happens when millions of people come together to try to make a statement and the media, which supposedly (don't laugh) is supposed to cover the news, ignores and belittles a mass movement?

the corporate owned and controlled msm wanted this travesty. they needed this crime. and no matter how many people came together they wouldn't give honest coverage of the popular will.

now, does that mean we shouldn't protest, be activists, speak out, demand change, etc.? no, it does not. but we shouldn't fool ourselves thinking that the corporate establishment is going to willingly let our voices be heard.

Whether we impeach the bastards is not the point . . it is the process of impeachment that will bring the sewage into the sunlight.

There are plans to turn this country into more of a police state than it already is. We have to start pushing back. We have to put our bodies between the criminals and the constitution of the United States of America.

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reyvn @ 79:

I have a question:
Does impeachment really have to come from congress? Or is there anything that citizens can do to get it started? In my native country any citizen can file for impeachment, just as long as they can find one Representative to endorse it. What are the laws about this in the US?

In this country it comes from Congress. If it comes from the citizenry it's called a coup or revolution and Bush has already covered his ass on that with the Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007

Checkur6 @ 72:

hug the moon @ 67:

E in Md @ 65:

Checkur6 @ 55:

Yeah that's what I'm talking about.

Do these 300,000 carry pitchforks and torches? 150,000 US troops can not take Baghdad, with the ull mite of the US military and most of our tax dollars behind them. How will 300,000 people holding spray painted bedsheets going to take out the establishment? At least it will serve as an historical marker.

Maybe a national strike would be better.

Maybe.

If one looks at the history of the United States the only time in its history that changes,real changes have been made was when the people protested. I look back at the Vietnam War protest and if it weren`t for those we would still be fighting that war also.
There is strength in numbers. Look at our congress today that proves the point.

... if you think that the vietnam war ended because a bunch of hippie kids were burning their enlistment cards. I have a neat bridge to sell you, near prime real estate in NY.

The only time this country had enacted real changes is because of taxes and tax-related issues.

capnmike @ 68:

WHAT FREAKING DIFFERENCE WILL IT MAKE? Bush is in office less than another year, time enough to do whatever damage he wants. Even if he is impeached, he can stall around long enough to finish his term and light out for the Paraguay Ranch. The impeachment is about 6 years overdue. At this point, Bush & Co. simply do not give a damn. Martial law can still be declared. The Halliburton-built prison camps are in-place. (They Exist! Check on it!) Face it...we're stuck with this asshole until January. And if we are really lucky, Obama will manage to get a few good things accomplished before he is either hamstrung by some manufactured "scandal" like the Lewinsky Affair, or until the dirtbags who are REALLY running this country, the Cheneys and Scaifes and their ilk, arrange for some Iranian Nutcase to assasinate him so they can go on with their war profiteering. .

Even if you put national ideals, honor, and all the blood that has been spilled in order to secure the freedoms we currently hold for granted aside. There's one very simple reason, because if we let this asshole go then the next asshole will be worse and he or she will be using the illegal and unprecedented powers that Bushco has grabbed for itself. They will point to Bush's time and say "Hey, you let him get away with it... Now there's legal precedent so I can do what I want."

That's not the nation I want to live in. That's not the nation I want my child to live in.

That's the bottom line. If he walks then we might as well fold up shop, burn the Constitution and surrender to our new Masters.

E in MD, etal

In order for you to make a difference you need to call, write, email, protest, etc., etc. your own Member of Congress and Senator because you are voting for them. I think it is easy for people to criticize Members of Congress and Senators for the lack of work or backbone etc., that you seem to believe they do or have. I am not saying what you've said is not right, but please do not refute the truth and the reality. The Clinton impeachment was a fiasco and it divided this country in ways that we still see til this day and probably will continue to see for years to come. We cannot afford another impeachment no matter how legitimate the reasons are -- and most Members of Congress and Senator realize that - including Mr. Conyers. The Bush administration has been awful, but the majority of the people voted for him and his policies including a Republican House and Senate which was elected in 1994. As much as I would love to see things change overnight, it cannot realistically be done. People need to keep themselves informed on the issues and unfortunately you cannot rely on the press or the blogs. Look up your Member's or Senator's voting record, how he or she stands on the issues, etc. - there is a lot of misinformation out there. And, we have seen what a beautiful job the mainstream press has done.

Trust me when I say that in order for you to make a difference, you have to write, email, fax and call your own representatives. Tell your family and friends to do the same - they do listen. Voting is the most important right that we have in this country, and not enough people do it on a consistent basis and we have the perfect example of what happens when you don't vote -- George Bush, etal

E in Md @ 87:

Tyler Durden @ 83:

Checkur6 @ 55:

And during the 2000 inauguration thousands were on the streets protesting. Wow, that really worked, did it?

they don't give a rat's ass, no matter how loud the rats scream. If anything they may get their rocks off on doing whatever the hell they want as that makes us scream lauder.

Thousands are a hell of a lot different than millions.

But if that's the way you feel, then why bother to stay in the US? You could head to Sweden and enjoy real freedom. Not the bullshit Freedom® they try to convince you that you have here.

Actually, I was thinking Netherlands.

I sent Rep. Conyers a long missive yesterday. I don't understand why it is taboo for these elected officials to uphold and do their duty to the Constitution. He needs to get off of his ass and do the right thing. Risk himself, if he is being blackmailed or threatened (why the fuck else do they think it's called "service"?).

90+% of the entire lot needs to be unseated. Their acts of complacency, ommission, abdication and dereliction and their acceptance of the intolerable and abominable - at every critical juncture, have made them so complicit with the criminals that they have become effective co-conspirators in the crimes that have been committed against the People, the Constitution and the World.

Tyler Durden @ 2:

Fuck you!

How many Republicans have you told this to?

Oh wait! How much political work have you ever done, anyhow?

(dialtone)

Scapegoating you can handle. Political work? Go fish.

Attacking Conyers for the lack of Republican votes for impeachment is beautiful. And once you've done it enough, you can then put him into the category of your enemy -- at which point you can freaking forget about any help from him all year.

It's a beautiful strategy. Alienate the Progressives -- blame them for everything.

Not that 'Tyler Durden' cares. His whole game is made up of cussing out one of the most loyal Congressmen in history. It's a very easy task, being Tyler. Not quite so easy to be John Conyers, because you actually have to deal with the opposition, instead of attacking the loyal in the wonderful vacuum of leftist conspiracy.

Dana @ 8:

We need to impeach our ENTIRE government!
They're all corrupt, lying sacks of shit!

Yes, you need to impeach the entire government.

When will you be doing that?

Paul in LA @ 91:

Yes, the strategy of scapegoating Conyers and Pelosi continues.

By the end of March, you will have succeeded -- not in getting impeachment to the floor (that requires applying the scapegoating power TO REPUBLICANS) -- but in making sure that no such process will be possible this year at all.

Congratulations. You have once again chosen the easy path.

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I had no problem contacting Conyers office at 202 225-5126. The young lady, who answered, stated that Conyers believes that impeachment would be a waste of time. She transfered me to a vent line and I vented.

M @ 98:

I had no problem contacting Conyers office at 202 225-5126. The young lady, who answered, stated that Conyers believes that impeachment would be a waste of time. She transfered me to a vent line and I vented.

would be a waste of time.

There ya go. Total disregard for the laws of this country.

Maria @ 86:

E in MD, etal

In order for you to make a difference you need to call, write, email, protest, etc., etc. your own Member of Congress and Senator because you are voting for them. I think it is easy for people to criticize Members of Congress and Senators for the lack of work or backbone etc., that you seem to believe they do or have. I am not saying what you've said is not right, but please do not refute the truth and the reality. The Clinton impeachment was a fiasco and it divided this country in ways that we still see til this day and probably will continue to see for years to come. We cannot afford another impeachment no matter how legitimate the reasons are -- and most Members of Congress and Senator realize that - including Mr. Conyers. The Bush administration has been awful, but the majority of the people voted for him and his policies including a Republican House and Senate which was elected in 1994. As much as I would love to see things change overnight, it cannot realistically be done. People need to keep themselves informed on the issues and unfortunately you cannot rely on the press or the blogs. Look up your Member's or Senator's voting record, how he or she stands on the issues, etc. - there is a lot of misinformation out there. And, we have seen what a beautiful job the mainstream press has done.

Trust me when I say that in order for you to make a difference, you have to write, email, fax and call your own representatives. Tell your family and friends to do the same - they do listen. Voting is the most important right that we have in this country, and not enough people do it on a consistent basis and we have the perfect example of what happens when you don't vote -- George Bush, etal

Respectfully, I've been looking at this issue in depth since the 04 election and trust me I understand what you're trying to say. I'm no Constitutional scholar nor am I a lawyer. But I do know how to read and I am an American citizen who loves his country not just in name or for show like all the nationalists on TV ranting about how Liberals are traitors. I don't care if the Clinton impeachment divided the country. I am unwilling and unable to bet my future and the future of my child on whether or not the next President that comes up the pipe will be another George W. Bush, be better or be much much worse.

Congress swore an oath and they swear it again each time they are rel-elected. So does the military. The President and Vice President and basically all elected FedGov people do as well. In that oath they swear to Protect and defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic

There is no bigger enemy of the US Constitution right now, than George W. Bush. As American citizens it is our duty and our responsibility to oppose tyranny here in this country. Our country would not even have been founded if the old King of England had not been doing the exact same things as George W. Bush is doing - right now-. Do we want to sit around and wait until he begins performing mass arrests and executions of his detractors?

The bottom line is, he violated the law when he ordered the NSA to violate FISA. FISA Specifically says that war or peace time doesn't matter. He's also committed fraud on the United States by using the yellowcake memo to convince Congress to vote for the Iraq war. FISA violations are a felony. Defrauding the US is also a felony. He also violated the Constitution on his own authority when he suspended habeas corpus without an invasion or rebellion in place.

If he cannot even obey the very document that gives him his power then he does not belong in that office. He is a tyrant and it doesn't matter whether or not removing him will divide the country. It is the right thing to do. If the Democrats in power are too fearful for their cushy jobs or to worried that they will somehow look bad then they do not deserve to hold office either. '

and if not now, then when exactly? What line needs to be crossed in order to secure an impeachment? Does George W. Bush have to walk up and shoot Al Gore in the face on live television and piss on his corpse before the House will finally move? He's already made it clear via statute that he and he alone decides who is a terrorist and who is not and that the Judiciary has no authority to contradict him. He's already declared that he can seize our assets and belongings ( by executive order ) on his own merit just by declaring you a terrorist. He's already used legal trickery to put suspected terrorists out of reach of the law so he can kidnap and torture them even though the laws against torture have been on the books a long time. He's already taken it upon himself to ignore the First Amendment by putting detractors in Free Speech Zones and Fourth Amendment by stating he can eavesdrop or search any one any where. The Fifth amendment has been rendered pointless if you can be tortured into testifying against yourself. The Sixth amendment is now moot, as there have been people held without formal charges or trials since immediately after 9/11. That's over seven years now. The Eighth amendment has already been tossed out the window if you can be subjected to torture.

So essentially in 8 years of office he's effective tossed all but the 2nd and 3rd amendments out the window. No referendum. No Constitutional Amendment. No vote. You're willing to just accept that?

I'm not trying to be nasty or anything but when is enough enough? When it's you that's been declared a terrorist and has been whisked off to the Salt Pit?

M @ 98:

The young lady, who answered, stated that Conyers believes that impeachment would be a waste of time.

Which is not only hearsay, but it is the opinion of a staffer who answers the phones. And it is an abbreviated speech on the issue, for sure.

Conyers' day has been spent trying (succeeding) in blocking the Senate FISA bill from being approved by the House. He's also trying to finally get the contempt bill passed.

Scapegoating him for a supposed comment by a staffer is EXACTLY what you need to do, because apparently FISA was only important yesterday -- today it is not worth any activism against the Blue Dogs who nearly settled the FISA issue for Rockefeller.

You drop the ball, pay no attention to the actual politics of the moment, do no work against the Republicans and Blue Dogs, and then try to beat Conyers for what some low-end staff may have said. It's beautiful.

Paul in LA:

What are you saying? That the Democratic party leadership is unwilling to perform their constitutionally mandated duty unless they get permission from the Republicans?

If I want to vote for a Republican, I'll vote for a Republican. In the meantime, I expect the congressfolk who I VOTE FOR (and I voted for Pelosi) to do their jobs and not whine about anticipated obstruction.

This isn't scapegoating. This is asking for what we were promised. The Republicans never promised me anything and I never voted for them.

And yes, I know, we need better Democrats and more of them. I agree. We all also need daily blow jobs and magical life-restoring ice cream sundaes.

But until the universe delivers, we can whine or we can stand up for what's right.

What's right is right and that trumps party shenanigans. Lay the record bare and let history judge us fairly. Bury it behind "pragmatic" capitulation and let history make up their host of conspiracy theories.

You think THIS is scapegoating? You just wait until history has its turn.

"Oh, the scapegoating of Chamberlain continues I see. Have you directed any of your criticism at Hitler? HE'S the real problem! And what about the Reichstag? So long as they have any power, Chamberlain can't do anything!"

JasonS @ 106:

What are you saying?

That the Republican party leadership is unwilling to perform their constitutionally mandated duty unless they get permission from Bush.

shitt romney @ 109:

why. hmm is it because he doesn't want to hear the truth anymore? conyers = gigantic pussy

You are a huge dick for saying so.

prunes @ 4:

It is abundantly clear to me that there is something wrong with our government. It is corrupt, it is not acting in the best interests of the electorate, it is not fulfilling its Constitutional duties.

Man, what are we gonna do? This is all so depressing.

Extremely frustrating is more like it. The "people" no longer have any type of control over the agencies that are supposed to represent us. The neocons stand in front of everybody and like the bully on the school ground, tell us to piss off since there's nothing we can do about it. We can scream, we can rant, we can cry, but the people issuing the orders can arrest us (now as terrorist sponsors), detain us, fine us, and ruin our lives. Age doesn't matter, race doesn't matter, political affiliations don't seem to matter.

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." -- Archimedes

So what lever and what fulcrum can we use? It's hard to see one, when the neocons seem to control everything we could try and use. Voting? Do you trust the machines? Protesting? Has anybody seen any real numbers about protests on the main stream news? For that matter, has anybody seen any unbiased news? (I always assumed.. silly me.. that news was to report on the facts, not the interpretation of the facts.) How about using force to remove the control of the neocons? Hmmm... do you feel like being treated as a terrorist? Or for that matter, do you think you have a chance against Blackwater and all their toys? What lever? What fulcrum?

Well... there is an interesting tool we have at our disposal. We use it every day. It is extremely powerful. So powerful that we fear to even really consider using it. Figured it out yet? Ya... money.

Now before you turn away and insist we have to have it and can't afford to risk everything we've got, ask yourself how much you've lost since this nightmare began? Are you worth what you were back in 2000? Has your mental and living condition improved or declined. As a species, we tend to be poor at comparing the present with the past. We have selective memories and are influenced heavily by the media.

So let us see what we can do with our money.

1) Remove it from the investment system. IF you are in such a place as to have a savings and IF you are is such a place as to have investments, you can shake the foundation of the system. Let's see... if 50% of the pissed off people withdrew their money, what would happen to those big top heavy companies? That is a LOT of capital and it is (for the most part) financing the buggers that are promoting the neocons.

2) Change what you spend it on. How about buying food from a local farmer? (If you can find one anymore.) How about telling the cable company that you are canceling your subscription until FOX is removed from the package? News is still online so your browsing habits will start to influence those news outlets. How about using Open Source software and operating systems that reflect your values instead of pouring money into companies that are trying to undermined your wallet? Why spend so much on software?

3) Change your travel habits. Car pool. Go electric. Ride a bike. Telecommute. Throw neighborhood parties. Throw building parties.

4) Turn off the TV!!! You'll save on the power bill, and more importantly start to communicate. The culture we live in has been isolated to the point that we don't feel we have any power. Television is an extremely effective way to isolate people so they do NOT talk to each other. The primary purpose of the television system is to spoon feed the masses and desensitize them to the changes that the neocons are driving towards.

5) Get rid of your credit cards. This is the other side of the investment and savings coin. Those who don't have savings are generally living in debt. As the debts get deeper, the more of your money goes towards rewarding the management. Credit cards are a sucker bet just like lotteries. If you are into stress and risk taking, I'd suggest nude bungee jumping would be a more responsible past time. Not that I'd try it ;)

All this to say that if we can see beyond our fears of being without money, we can change the system.

Wars aren't about equality and helping. They are about making money.

Banks aren't about saving for the future. They are about making money.

Oil companies aren't about energizing the world for growth. They are about making money.

Investing money isn't about producing something beneficial to all. It's about making money.

Money is the carrot, and we are all a bunch of mules.

Strangely enough, $5 at a time into a cookie jar will do a much better job of changing the world.

Good luck all!

BigD @ 112:

prunes @ 4:

It is abundantly clear to me that there is something wrong with our government. It is corrupt, it is not acting in the best interests of the electorate, it is not fulfilling its Constitutional duties.

Man, what are we gonna do? This is all so depressing.

Extremely frustrating is more like it. The "people" no longer have any type of control over the agencies that are supposed to represent us. The neocons stand in front of everybody and like the bully on the school ground, tell us to piss off since there's nothing we can do about it. We can scream, we can rant, we can cry, but the people issuing the orders can arrest us (now as terrorist sponsors), detain us, fine us, and ruin our lives. Age doesn't matter, race doesn't matter, political affiliations don't seem to matter.

"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." -- Archimedes

So what lever and what fulcrum can we use? It's hard to see one, when the neocons seem to control everything we could try and use. Voting? Do you trust the machines? Protesting? Has anybody seen any real numbers about protests on the main stream news? For that matter, has anybody seen any unbiased news? (I always assumed.. silly me.. that news was to report on the facts, not the interpretation of the facts.) How about using force to remove the control of the neocons? Hmmm... do you feel like being treated as a terrorist? Or for that matter, do you think you have a chance against Blackwater and all their toys? What lever? What fulcrum?

Well... there is an interesting tool we have at our disposal. We use it every day. It is extremely powerful. So powerful that we fear to even really consider using it. Figured it out yet? Ya... money.

Now before you turn away and insist we have to have it and can't afford to risk everything we've got, ask yourself how much you've lost since this nightmare began? Are you worth what you were back in 2000? Has your mental and living condition improved or declined. As a species, we tend to be poor at comparing the present with the past. We have selective memories and are influenced heavily by the media.

So let us see what we can do with our money.

1) Remove it from the investment system. IF you are in such a place as to have a savings and IF you are is such a place as to have investments, you can shake the foundation of the system. Let's see... if 50% of the pissed off people withdrew their money, what would happen to those big top heavy companies? That is a LOT of capital and it is (for the most part) financing the buggers that are promoting the neocons.

2) Change what you spend it on. How about buying food from a local farmer? (If you can find one anymore.) How about telling the cable company that you are canceling your subscription until FOX is removed from the package? News is still online so your browsing habits will start to influence those news outlets. How about using Open Source software and operating systems that reflect your values instead of pouring money into companies that are trying to undermined your wallet? Why spend so much on software?

3) Change your travel habits. Car pool. Go electric. Ride a bike. Telecommute. Throw neighborhood parties. Throw building parties.

4) Turn off the TV!!! You'll save on the power bill, and more importantly start to communicate. The culture we live in has been isolated to the point that we don't feel we have any power. Television is an extremely effective way to isolate people so they do NOT talk to each other. The primary purpose of the television system is to spoon feed the masses and desensitize them to the changes that the neocons are driving towards.

5) Get rid of your credit cards. This is the other side of the investment and savings coin. Those who don't have savings are generally living in debt. As the debts get deeper, the more of your money goes towards rewarding the management. Credit cards are a sucker bet just like lotteries. If you are into stress and risk taking, I'd suggest nude bungee jumping would be a more responsible past time. Not that I'd try it ;)

All this to say that if we can see beyond our fears of being without money, we can change the system.

Wars aren't about equality and helping. They are about making money.

Banks aren't about saving for the future. They are about making money.

Oil companies aren't about energizing the world for growth. They are about making money.

Investing money isn't about producing something beneficial to all. It's about making money.

Money is the carrot, and we are all a bunch of mules.

Strangely enough, $5 at a time into a cookie jar will do a much better job of changing the world.

Good luck all!

WOW! Now this is revolutionary thinking. This is a real RESISTANCE MOVEMENT!

capnmike @ 68:

WHAT FREAKING DIFFERENCE WILL IT MAKE? Bush is in office less than another year, time enough to do whatever damage he wants. Even if he is impeached, he can stall around long enough to finish his term and light out for the Paraguay Ranch. The impeachment is about 6 years overdue. At this point, Bush & Co. simply do not give a damn. Martial law can still be declared. The Halliburton-built prison camps are in-place. (They Exist! Check on it!) Face it...we're stuck with this asshole until January. And if we are really lucky, Obama will manage to get a few good things accomplished before he is either hamstrung by some manufactured "scandal" like the Lewinsky Affair, or until the dirtbags who are REALLY running this country, the Cheneys and Scaifes and their ilk, arrange for some Iranian Nutcase to assasinate him so they can go on with their war profiteering. .

ANd if we're really unlucky, Bush will have some of his minions raise the terror alert level to 'Buy Duct Tape' because of a 'Gut Feeling', suspend the elections indefinitely and declare martial law because of an 'insurrection'.

Paul in LA @ 107:

E in Md @ 102:

I've been looking at this issue in depth since the 04 election

Great. Conyers has been 'looking at this issue in depth' since '72, when he worked on Nixon's impeachment. By '04 he had already published a book with 25 major felonies proven. By '04 impeachment had already been worked on for two years solid, from the minority, in broom closets.

This is a coup. When you figure that out, two Canucks and some cat in Maryland will not be the dividing line of history, I guarantee you.

So you're saying we should just sit back... buy some duct tape and saran wrap and hope to hell that we get to stay out of the torturers hands long enough to spend that economic stimulus check and hope that Bush will leave office voluntarily. That's bullshit.

Hooray for Conyers. At least he's not like that asshole Kucinich who was using impeachment as a campaign trick only to peter off when he knew he wasn't going to win.

But Conyers could be on every damned talk show, radio program, news paper and blog presenting evidence and convincing the American people that impeachment is their only option to secure their rights. Instead he's doing broomcloset shit and making the Democrats look even more weak and ineffectual than they already are.

If not now, then when? After Bush has already retired to his Paraguayan estate?

E in MD @ 118:

So you're saying we should just sit back...

I have never suggested any such thing. What I am suggesting is that righteously attacking loyal Representatives without noting the context is NOT support. It is not constructive.

The attempt to hammer the loyal into taking up our cause is not support, and does not work. The lack of respect shown here daily PROVES that it is not a mood of support, though many claim that if someone takes a step they like they will support them. How easy to say! But then it's immediately "What have you done for me lately?"

Support is LONG-SUFFERING. I don't see that virtue much in evidence.

I do not understand what Conyers is thinking since he lead the charge against Nixon and seemingly was ripe for impeachments a few years back.

Either they have something up their sleeves to do after a new congress is seated or they are being blackmailed in some way.
It's the only answer that makes sense to this clearly illogical action.
Conyers knows only impeachment hearings give them the power to force testimony and he knows the administration won't respond to anything less.

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Stuart Bedasso @ 121:

Look, Conyers sold out Shirley Chisolm in the Congressional Black Caucus in the 70's...this is not a surprise.

Conyers and Chisolm worked together for years, and put forward the MLK Jr. birthday holiday together.

Bringing up some 30 year old conflict between political cohorts without mentioning the positive side of their association is just character assassination. Any rightwinger can do exactly the same thing and be exactly as asinine.

geo @ 122:

It's the only answer that makes sense to this clearly illogical action.

Sure, if you don't count the lack of votes in the Senate for conviction, the whole world is like a dream.

I hate to say it but the militia is looking like the best option. God I never thought I would be saying this. Where do I sign up?