Thu, 03/06/2008 - 22:39 — Mark Andresen (not verified)
An Omen?
Fasten you seatbelts: it's going to be a Bumpy Ride!
And to the Rich and Powerful out there that may be reading this: Thanks for f@#king this country up.
And to the poor and weak: what would you do without all these years of watching TV?
"My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself against enemies sworn to its destruction."
-Barack Obama.
If Obama would come out against Israel's recent self-described "Holocaust" against Palestine, I might feel better about supporting him. But then again, saying anything against Israel is enough to ruin one's political career in this country.
sigh.....So I guess we are all living through some kind of Steinbeckian Hell....Go Obama....if we are having a Depression he is the best man to have at the Helm...
I've been watching cnbc lately cause I've been following the markets. You want to see some cold conservatives, watch that channel. I used to watch them 8 years ago and I don't remember them being that political. People like Larry Kudlow and another sick mother who's name I can't remember were defending executive compensation especially that of Countrywide's CEO. Although he built a big company and created a lot of jobs, the worse the company did, the more compensation he received (and the more stock he sold). Some of the packages these CEO's receive can be as much as 40% of the revenues of the company in one year!
Thu, 03/06/2008 - 23:05 — John Daniel (not verified)
"There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success......And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificates - died of malnutrition - because the food must rot, must be forced to rot.....In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." Sixty nine years later and .....
If more farms convert to organic and bio-dynamic practices, and more communities support these smaller, family-owned farms, we may just be able to avoid another dust bowl.
Grapes of Wrath is a powerful reminder for all of us to know where our food comes from and support CSA (Community Supported Agriculture).
There will never be true social justice until progressives start to understand that knowing economics is the only way foster true justice. The recession is the fruition of Friedman Monetarism started by Regan, but no one on our side is articulating that. When conservative supply side economics only benefit those making over 200k, yet people making 50K think supply side economics is the way to go, it means that progressives have no clue how to explain how oppressive for 90% of America. There has been a vast redistribution of wealth over the last thirty years, consolidating the wealth at the top. Wake up progressives, and start speaking convincing the masses that supply side economics is the cause of the great wealth consolidation at the top!
Peace,
Alec
The nation's leading financier, Warren Buffett, had warned years before that "derivatives," whose value was balanced loosely on the real assets underneath, were the equivalent of "financial weapons of mass destruction." But in the rush for profits, nobody listened.
Can you someone please tell me why the following story has not been reported on the United States news, but manages to make it to the front page of every Canadian newspaper and on the BBC? The rest of the world would like to know.
My sociology professor said the only reason Grapes of Wrath was so respected was because it featured white rural folk, and not the Mexican rural folk Steinbeck encountered. Anyhoo, speaking of racism, inequality continues. CEOs who profited off the housing crisis are upset that Congress is questioning their ethics. Troops are going deaf.
Bush hearts waterboarding.
Those rebates ironically cost $42 million.
HippyGourmet Says: If more farms convert to organic and bio-dynamic practices, and more communities support these smaller, family-owned farms, we may just be able to avoid another dust bowl.
Grapes of Wrath is a powerful reminder for all of us to know where our food comes from and support CSA (Community Supported Agriculture).
It's also a reminder that the PEOPLE united in a cause cannot be defeated by the corporations and the ruling elites.
Can you someone please tell me why the following story has not been reported on the United States news, but manages to make it to the front page of every Canadian newspaper and on the BBC? The rest of the world would like to know.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OOLEK2lr3CM
Maybe something to do with the whole Clinton/Murdoch thing...
Lou Dobbs is one mainline journalist talking about the economics disparity in this country. I wish more would follow suit. Thank you Crooks and Liars for preparing us, or giving us the opportunity to learn about this situation. We need it. Peace.
How weird that you would post this scene at this time. I just started reading Grapes of Wrath for the first time, and last night I read this very scene (which takes place in Chapter 5). I got terribly angry while reading it, because how the corporate system has been built into a machine where no one man is accountable for the things the system does, and nobody can be pinpointed as the source of exploitation -- although there are certainly a few people at the top somewhere, and they're getting filthy rich off other's labor and misfortune. Steinbeck describes the banks as monsters that eat profit, and must always grow or die. It's brilliant. I don't know how anyone who buys into capitalism could read that book and come out still believing it's a good system. And that's just Chapter 5!
Orangutan@26 I like Lou Dobbs when he talks about the middle class and some of the other topics close to his heart. He's been fairly consistent in his criticism of Bush's economic policies. And he isn't shy about blasting corporate misdeeds.
However, I hate his election coverage since he often seems to do his impression of an internet troll when discussing anything campaign related.
"My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself against enemies sworn to its destruction."
-Barack Obama.
If Obama would come out against Israel's recent self-described "Holocaust" against Palestine, I might feel better about supporting him. But then again, saying anything against Israel is enough to ruin one's political career in this country.
funny, many jews are afraid of what obama's policies towards israel will be, thanks the bogus email
thousands of [Deleted. Polemicizing, flamebaiting-Sitemonitor] hate the fact that he said anything positve about israel
he must be doing something right
btw...terrorists enter a rabbinical seminary, filled with high school and college aged kids, killing 8, wounding dozens....there is dancing in the streets in gaza
during the operation in gaza, how many israelis were dancing in the streets?
sad to say but you people aint going to make it if things get like they were in the thirtys, thiers no more freight trains you can bo on , i saw the skinny starveing hopeless guys young and old hanging on to the boxcars in freezing and sweltering weather , watched the railroad dicks beat them up with clubs and throw them onto the rail beds cinders while the trains kept rolling down the tracks , went to the hobo jungle saw them makeing hobo stew out of anything they could beg or steal, back in thoes days your nabior raised chickens in his backyard ,had a vegitable garden , and if he liked you maby you had a little to eat, not anybody allowed to raise chickens in thier yards today, thoes were the days my friend!
sad to say but you people aint going to make it if things get like they were in the thirtys, thiers no more freight trains you can bo on , i saw the skinny starveing hopeless guys young and old hanging on to the boxcars in freezing and sweltering weather , watched the railroad dicks beat them up with clubs and throw them onto the rail beds cinders while the trains kept rolling down the tracks , went to the hobo jungle saw them makeing hobo stew out of anything they could beg or steal, back in thoes days your nabior raised chickens in his backyard ,had a vegitable garden , and if he liked you maby you had a little to eat, not anybody allowed to raise chickens in thier yards today, thoes were the days my friend!
Hi tyree! How you gonna get by (cause I know ya will, ya tough 'ol bastid, lol)? Lookin' fer tips here...
well proud i aint going to make it i came in this world dureing the depreshion looks like ive come full circle, i never thought it would happen again in my lifetime!
proud get some chickens and some vegetable seeds find a bridge and build a nice cardboard box house under it , you wont lack for company if you got them chickens!!!!!he he
sad to say but you people aint going to make it if things get like they were in the thirtys, thiers no more freight trains you can bo on , i saw the skinny starveing hopeless guys young and old hanging on to the boxcars in freezing and sweltering weather , watched the railroad dicks beat them up with clubs and throw them onto the rail beds cinders while the trains kept rolling down the tracks , went to the hobo jungle saw them makeing hobo stew out of anything they could beg or steal, back in thoes days your nabior raised chickens in his backyard ,had a vegitable garden , and if he liked you maby you had a little to eat, not anybody allowed to raise chickens in thier yards today, thoes were the days my friend!
we aint gonna make it because we have never known want
our parents and grandparents were made of sturdy stuff, and they wanted their kids to have it better
so they sacrificed
no one sacrifices anymore....not really
plus, thanks the the great depression, we moved to a manufacturing based economy...and now, that is all gone
i heard the heil one ranting about taxes again today...talking about the old world view of the american dream....someone needs to wake that fascist up to the fact that the dream is dead and buried
"My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself against enemies sworn to its destruction."
-Barack Obama.
If Obama would come out against Israel's recent self-described "Holocaust" against Palestine, I might feel better about supporting him. But then again, saying anything against Israel is enough to ruin one's political career in this country.
funny, many jews are afraid of what obama's policies towards israel will be, thanks the bogus email
thousands of [Deleted. Polemicizing, flamebaiting-Sitemonitor] hate the fact that he said anything positve about israel
he must be doing something right
btw...terrorists enter a rabbinical seminary, filled with high school and college aged kids, killing 8, wounding dozens....there is dancing in the streets in gaza
during the operation in gaza, how many israelis were dancing in the streets?
(emphasis mine.) funny that anyone critical of israel's policies toward palestine gets labeled a jew hater. i noticed that 8 people were killed in jerusalem because it was all over the front page of every news site. if 123 israeli women and children were killed, can you imagine? nbc might even have to interrupt regular broadcasting for that breaking news.
how can any decent human being possibly defend israel's actions against palestine? it makes me sick. i hope that someday my country cuts ties with israel. we are israel's only ally in the world; if we stop supporting them, no one would come to their defense, and maybe they would stop the killing. goodnight now.
back in thoes days you ate potatos for breakfast if you could get them ,boiled fried, stewed , maby next day you had some eggs for one meal a day, mostly you went to bed hungry, then the fires went out in the coal stoves you ripped up the lenolium rugs threw them in if you still had a fire going then the furniture went finally you stoled coal off the freight trains and hoped the railroad cops didnt catch you , i saw my dads hands freeze to the condola rungs when it was so cold , it ripped the flesh off his palms , everybody who lived along the tracks threw coal off the trains in the darkness!
"My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself against enemies sworn to its destruction."
-Barack Obama.
If Obama would come out against Israel's recent self-described "Holocaust" against Palestine, I might feel better about supporting him. But then again, saying anything against Israel is enough to ruin one's political career in this country.
funny, many jews are afraid of what obama's policies towards israel will be, thanks the bogus email
thousands of [Deleted. Polemicizing, flamebaiting-Sitemonitor] hate the fact that he said anything positve about israel
he must be doing something right
btw...terrorists enter a rabbinical seminary, filled with high school and college aged kids, killing 8, wounding dozens....there is dancing in the streets in gaza
during the operation in gaza, how many israelis were dancing in the streets?
I don't know how you would feel after you've been starved, your kids murdered in cold blood in front of your eyes, you are unemployed, you have no place to go, no drinking water, no electricity and the sewer is running down the streets while you're begging humanitarian relief organizations for food and medical help and medicine. I've just read an article that was published a few months ago where a Palestinian child who had cancer needed to get radiation therapy. Israel wouldn't let him and his wheelchair across into Israel. His parents begged, his mom begged. Nothing became of it. A couple of weeks later the child was dead.
It's too bad that Jews like you don't speak out against the atrocities committed by the Zionist regime in Israel. And there is a difference between racist Zionism and the Jewish religion. It's too bad that you're willing to follow Israeli propaganda blindly just because the only thing you have in common with them is your religion. Israel loves gullible Jews who fight for it's cause, but who don't understand or prefer to look the other way just because Israel gives them a sense of belonging. Like I said, Israel gives Jews worldwide a bad name. Just like Al-Qaeda gives Muslims a bad name.
You cry foul when 8 Israelis are gunned down, but when 120 Palestinian were killed by Israel this last weekend alone, 40 of whom were children, you didn't bat an eye. Did you?
By the way, did you know that the Holocaust survivors whom Germany compensated throughout the years haven't seen a dime from all that money? It all went to your beloved Israeli government.
I grew up in Israel (unfortunately). I always thought to myself, how can a people who were persecuted in Nazi Germany and who have been victims of fascist policies turn around and do similar acts to others? I guess Israel can always play the victim card whenever it suites it.
PS: Rabbi Kook was the leader and founder of the settler movement. You know, those folks who stole land from Palestinians, uprooted their olive trees and kicked them off their land because of some passage in the Torah says that God gave them the land.
Food security and the rapid rise in food prices make up the "elephant in the room" that politicians must face up to quickly, according to the government's new chief scientific adviser.
In his first major speech since taking over, Professor John Beddington said the global rush to grow biofuels was compounding the problem, and cutting down rainforest to produce biofuel crops was "profoundly stupid".
He told the Govnet Sustainable Development UK Conference in Westminster: "There is progress on climate change. But out there is another major problem. It is very hard to imagine how we can see a world growing enough crops to produce renewable energy and at the same time meet the enormous increase in the demand for food which is quite properly going to happen as we alleviate poverty."
He predicted that price rises in staples such as rice, maize and wheat would continue because of increased demand caused by population growth and increasing wealth in developing nations. He also said that climate change would lead to pressure on food supplies because of decreased rainfall in many areas and crop failures related to climate. "The agriculture industry needs to double its food production, using less water than today," he said. The food crisis would bite more quickly than climate change, he added.
But he reserved some of his most scathing comments for the biofuel industry, which he said had delivered a "major shock" to world food prices. "In terms of biofuels there has been, quite properly, a reaction against it," he said. "There are real problems with unsustainability."
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Can you someone please tell me why the following story has not been reported on the United States news, but manages to make it to the front page of every Canadian newspaper and on the BBC? The rest of the world would like to know.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OOLEK2lr3CM
Maybe something to do with the whole Clinton/Murdoch thing...
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am beginning to believe that we truly live a a fascist society. Last night I ran across the following article:
This is the worst Machiavellian-style political maneuver I have ever witness in my entire life. And it makes sense to me because after all Clinton was the former president, so he would have more a reason to maintain contact with a foreign government such a Canada.
...Later, I decided search youtube to get more information, and I found that the story was being posted and removed within minutes. Certain members of youtube community complained that they had to re-post the story over and over again because the Clinton camp complained and had it removed. This really surprised me. It also surprises me that this is such a big story but no major US news company is reporting it. I am beginning to suspect that our votes and our voices don't count, and this makes me sick to my stomach.
#17, not just what would John Steinbeck do, but don't forget who made the movie, (which, by the way, Steinbeck loved). What would John Ford do? Or better yet, what would Tom Joad, or Ma, or Pa, or Muley, and maybe most of all, what would Reverend Casey do?
My guess is that none of them would know until it happened. But that's okay.
And #15, you ain't all wrong. But you gotta lot of learnin' to do. Sometimes a movie made right at the same time (sorry, I'm too lazy to try to spell contemp. Whatever), after just gettin' through it, is more valuable and more relevant than any romanticized recreation even just a decade later.
And one more thing Uncle Joe McCarthy, I don't care how many Israelis were dancing in the streets. Israelis lead a normal life, barring the occasional "attack". They go to the beach, they go to work and they lead a normal life. The Palestinians on the other hand are in a prison, unable to leave, unable to move without being beaten or turned back and are unable to go to school and lead any normal life by any stretch of the imagination. The separation wall that is 24 feet high that Israel built to "prevent" "attacks" has closed off the Palestinians to the outside world and has divided families and villages. So, in the long run, Israelis are dancing in the streets while they treat Palestinians like animals at a zoo.
Do you remember who cried and whined about the Gulags and the Ghettos of Europe? That's right, the same people who are now applying the same strategies onto the Palestinians.
Hey all. I'm in one of my "Let's Discuss the Constitution" moods. (Largely brought on by the thread two entries down from this one about Primary Pain, in which a debate emerged about whether the most important reason to vote Democratic in November was that the next president will appoint several Supreme Court justices.)
So, for anyone who'd like to indulge me, here's a fun question for everyone:
Is the Bill of Rights binding on state governments?
1. Divide and conquer
2. Starve and control
3. Beat, imprison and detain
4. Claim to want peace while building more and more settlements on Palestinian land
5. Sit and wonder, gee wiz, color me naive (or a hypocrite), but why do the Palestinians not like us?
1. Divide and conquer
2. Starve and control
3. Beat, imprison and detain
4. Claim to want peace while building more and more settlements on Palestinian land
5. Sit and wonder, gee wiz, color me naive (or a hypocrite), but why do the Palestinians not like us?
1. Divide and conquer
2. Starve and control
3. Beat, imprison and detain
4. Claim to want peace while building more and more settlements on Palestinian land
5. Sit and wonder, gee wiz, color me naive (or a hypocrite), but why do the Palestinians not like us?
Don't forget the Holy Grail of Zion-ness: To convince the Palestinian people they are utterly powerless.
Maybe that's why they dance when something horrible happens to the the people who put them down and lord it over them. Control their travel, water, food.
1. Divide and conquer
2. Starve and control
3. Beat, imprison and detain
4. Claim to want peace while building more and more settlements on Palestinian land
5. Sit and wonder, gee wiz, color me naive (or a hypocrite), but why do the Palestinians not like us?
How are we so different from these migratory farm workers Steinbeck brought to life in this book?
Jobs being outsourced?
All of us here have to compete for jobs on a global scale.
Just look at the conditions of people who have the privilege of living in substandard housing, working long hours, and very little pay in what we consider third world countries.
Why do we consider ourselves somehow protected from that kind of possibility in the future.
On 28 December 2006, the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem published its annual report. In 2006 the Israeli military killed 141 Palestinian children.
That year alone, Israeli forces demolished 300 houses and slew entire families. and since 2000, Israeli forces killed almost four thousand Palestinians, half of them children; more than twenty thousand were wounded.
I think your response epitomizes the very hypocrisy and lack of tact from the Israeli side and those who support Israel's policies. How do your statements make you any different than the Nazis? [They don't. I have to answer for him. He's banned-Sitemonitor]
I think your response epitomizes the very hypocrisy and lack of tact from the Israeli side and those who support Israel's policies. How do your statements make you any different than the Nazis?
The lack of Stalags and concentration camps, For the rest it's neo fascist like.
Jack@47 That "rationale" would be good enough to wipe a lot of people off the face of the earth. Just set some kind of bar and if they don't get over the bar then they get to learn what a genocide is. I'm sure a lot of African countries don't contribute much so why don't you put them on the list as well. Maybe add Canada or Mexico since we can always use their land.
Where do you draw the line since you invoked the concept of "worth" to determine whether they "deserve" to live or not? I think this is something that Milosevec, the Nazis, and others have also agreed with. You have some interesting company.
“The agriculture industry needs to double its food production, using less water than today,” he said. The food crisis would bite more quickly than climate change..."
60% of farm land in the United States is growing soybeans and corn (conventional and GMO), primarily for use in processed foods and bio-fuels.
Even if every American wanted to eat the daily recommended food pyramid of fruits and vegetables, there aren't enough farms growing this variety of produce to support that diet.
Food is political unfortunately, and thus the reason to support family farms and organic collectives wherever possible.
On 8 March 1908, 15,000 women marched through New York City demanding shorter work hours, better pay, voting rights and an end to child labour. They adopted the slogan "Bread and Roses", with bread symbolizing economic security and roses a better quality of life. In May, the Socialist Party of America designated the last Sunday in February for the observance of National Women's Day.
Later March 8 was adopted as date of International Women's Day.
I've been watching cnbc lately cause I've been following the markets. You want to see some cold conservatives, watch that channel. I used to watch them 8 years ago and I don't remember them being that political. People like Larry Kudlow and another sick mother who's name I can't remember were defending executive compensation especially that of Countrywide's CEO. Although he built a big company and created a lot of jobs, the worse the company did, the more compensation he received (and the more stock he sold). Some of the packages these CEO's receive can be as much as 40% of the revenues of the company in one year!
theres words and processes to explain how this scam works; 'organized cooperative theft' accomplished by cooperation between company boards members / execs and connected fund managerswho control investor funds in the companies.
Its the sweetest legal means of stealing money going.
If more farms convert to organic and bio-dynamic practices, and more communities support these smaller, family-owned farms, we may just be able to avoid another dust bowl.
Grapes of Wrath is a powerful reminder for all of us to know where our food comes from and support CSA (Community Supported Agriculture).
Dust bowl refers to drought not economic conditions but they do follow in the wake of the droughts.
The early 30s was a period of high average temps higher than the global warming scare now.
Couple this with the water aquafers drying up and or contamination and big trouble ahead, I believe one of the Dashle Hammond books (and movies) had water contamination as a sub plot.
Corporate ponzi schemes to attract the investors. If you are an investor and it looks too good to be true your greed will make the corporate whore very wealthy.
There will never be true social justice until progressives start to understand that knowing economics is the only way foster true justice. The recession is the fruition of Friedman Monetarism started by Regan, but no one on our side is articulating that. When conservative supply side economics only benefit those making over 200k, yet people making 50K think supply side economics is the way to go, it means that progressives have no clue how to explain how oppressive for 90% of America. There has been a vast redistribution of wealth over the last thirty years, consolidating the wealth at the top. Wake up progressives, and start speaking convincing the masses that supply side economics is the cause of the great wealth consolidation at the top!
Peace,
Alec
Informed people on progressive blogs who read history and understand some of it do know this, its impossible to teach basic economics and politics to people whose level of economic understanding and cultural awareness barely rises ambove American idol and scarey gas prices.
The Repulsions know this and exploit it again and again, plus average America likes living in a bubble and self medicating, maybe they know deep down its the path of least pain.
There will never be true social justice until progressives start to understand that knowing economics is the only way foster true justice. The recession is the fruition of Friedman Monetarism started by Regan, but no one on our side is articulating that. When conservative supply side economics only benefit those making over 200k, yet people making 50K think supply side economics is the way to go, it means that progressives have no clue how to explain how oppressive for 90% of America. There has been a vast redistribution of wealth over the last thirty years, consolidating the wealth at the top. Wake up progressives, and start speaking convincing the masses that supply side economics is the cause of the great wealth consolidation at the top!
Peace,
Alec
Informed people on progressive blogs who read history and understand some of it do know this, its impossible to teach basic economics and politics to people whose level of economic understanding and cultural awareness barely rises ambove American idol and scarey gas prices.
The Repulsions know this and exploit it again and again, plus average America likes living in a bubble and self medicating, maybe they know deep down its the path of least pain.
Well said, The repugnantones will always try to take advantage of the progressives while the progressives arew too busy trying to make it.
There will never be true social justice until progressives start to understand that knowing economics is the only way foster true justice. The recession is the fruition of Friedman Monetarism started by Regan, but no one on our side is articulating that. When conservative supply side economics only benefit those making over 200k, yet people making 50K think supply side economics is the way to go, it means that progressives have no clue how to explain how oppressive for 90% of America. There has been a vast redistribution of wealth over the last thirty years, consolidating the wealth at the top. Wake up progressives, and start speaking convincing the masses that supply side economics is the cause of the great wealth consolidation at the top!
Peace,
Alec
Informed people on progressive blogs who read history and understand some of it do know this, its impossible to teach basic economics and politics to people whose level of economic understanding and cultural awareness barely rises ambove American idol and scarey gas prices.
The Repulsions know this and exploit it again and again, plus average America likes living in a bubble and self medicating, maybe they know deep down its the path of least pain.
A good documentary can put it in simple terms that the average person can understand. I've seen this happen. Aaron Russo does it. Zeitgeist of course. Money as Debt. It is possible. You are right about the motivation though.
In Case You Missed It: "Barack Obama's name was mentioned twice during [the] defense attorney['s] opening statement" in the political corruption trial of Antoin "Tony" Rezko, Sen. Obama's "political patron" and friend of 17 years.
When you look at a story like Farmer John Peterson "The Real Dirt on Farmer John" (www.AngelicOrganics.com), and you see what happened in the 1980's to family farms in this country as the banks were encouraging loans for non-diverse seed plantings, chemicals and fertilizers - it certainly seemed like there were larger forces at work that wanted to aggregate this farm land away from small families into the hands of large companies as these farms began to fail.
John Peterson's story however has a very happy (and on-going) message, after he converts what's left of his Illinois farm land to organic, bio-dynamic and sustainable practices, and partners with CSA (community supported agriculture), there is absolute renewal and rejuvination on all fronts.
So climate and weather certainly play a role, but one can argue that altering our farming (and eating) habits can also provide positive change.
I dunno. People keep arguing that the Palestinians are suffering, but the guy who attacked the seminary was an Israeli citizen, so what's his excuse? I mean, if they have to have revenge, shouldn't they be going after the soldiers themselves, and not the citizens?
And if they have the money to build bombs and rockets, why don't they give it back to the community instead? Maybe it's my experience out in L.A., but as bad as the neighborhoods for blacks and Latinos here are, they don't go defending their gangs as a form of resistance against gentrified developers and corrupt cops.
I dunno. People keep arguing that the Palestinians are suffering, but the guy who attacked the seminary was an Israeli citizen, so what's his excuse? I mean, if they have to have revenge, shouldn't they be going after the soldiers themselves, and not the citizens?
And if they have the money to build bombs and rockets, why don't they give it back to the community instead? Maybe it's my experience out in L.A., but as bad as the neighborhoods for blacks and Latinos here are, they don't go defending their gangs as a form of resistance against gentrified developers and corrupt cops.
Christ. I thought you were smarter than that. My bad.
An old idea of mine, maybe too late for the current WOT, but could be used for the next Republican war.
You would think that the WOT was of such importance that they would send their own kids off to fight and die for the cause and pay extra taxes to pay for a proper conflict, but alas they are cowards and prefer to send other peoples kids off to die for their profits and inflated bank accounts.
I think its telling that they all wear those stupid flag pins (when on TV),
but never wear a badge or bumper sticker proclaiming “I pay extra taxes to support the WOT”
Bushco and the IRS back in 03 could have introduced voluntary addon taxes for keen Republican taxpayers eager to support the war, with big color coded badges to show their support. 5% 10% 20% all different colors, then they could have put their money where their mouth was.
It would have brought a tear to my eye to see all those badges proudly worn by patriotic Republican taxpayers… sniffle
I dunno. People keep arguing that the Palestinians are suffering, but the guy who attacked the seminary was an Israeli citizen, so what's his excuse? I mean, if they have to have revenge, shouldn't they be going after the soldiers themselves, and not the citizens?
And if they have the money to build bombs and rockets, why don't they give it back to the community instead? Maybe it's my experience out in L.A., but as bad as the neighborhoods for blacks and Latinos here are, they don't go defending their gangs as a form of resistance against gentrified developers and corrupt cops.
Right, that's why Palistines (sp?) always get fecked at the check points. Even ambulances are being hold back! How many people died because of that?
"My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligateIf Obama would come out against Israel's recent self-described "Holocaust" against Palestine, I might feel better about supporting him. But then again, saying anything against Israel is enough to ruin one's political career in this country.
President Obama has the ability to be an ACTUAL diplomat.
There is no freaking way to compare Boy Wonder --or-- McCain't to the concept 'diplomat.'
One should think that Samantha Power calling HRC a monster would have endeared her to some of you. Her understandings of diplomacy toward the goal of ending such crimes against humanity was directly informed by Sergio De Mello, the subject of her second book. That's expert caliber advice for an alternative agenda rooted in social justice and mutual respect, even if she is an academic and says what's on her mind in a collegial manner that is punished heavily in the partisan media.
The whining about Obama is just people who don't get that he is a natural diplomat. But for sure the people around the world are hearing it LOUD AND CLEAR. They've seen our worst, and we need to get together to make sure things change.
Right, that’s why Palistines (sp?) always get fecked at the check points. Even ambulances are being hold back! How many people died because of that?
How many doctors on the Israeli side who could've saved their lives got blown up by them? Hell, those doctors get separate-but-equal treatment under the Red Cross, but I don't see them going Columbine on random Palestinian civilians.
Right, that’s why Palistines (sp?) always get fecked at the check points. Even ambulances are being hold back! How many people died because of that?
How many doctors on the Israeli side who could've saved their lives got blown up by them? Hell, those doctors get separate-but-equal treatment under the Red Cross, but I don't see them going Columbine on random Palestinian civilians.
They have an army and airforcewith big weapons to do that for them.
Gaza fighting is mostly throwing rocks at tanks, and tanks and flying things doing nasty things back.
As various commentators say its asymmetrical warfare.
would you rather it was McCain/Giuliani in the WH, now that would be one bad nightmare,
And Mac would prob get Reaganed (03/81) too, so he woundnt enjoy it either.
You can't have it both ways. Either you need their help, or you're somehow better than them that you can just insult them and deal with it yourself.
ferro:
Gaza fighting is mostly throwing rocks at tanks, and tanks and flying things doing nasty things back. As various commentators say its asymmetrical warfare.
So how is a shotgun against unarmed people symmetrical? By that logic, that VT shooter was fighting back, too. No one's gonna defend a Latino punk who shot a black child in a car for "occupying" his "territory", so what's the difference?
would you rather it was McCain/Giuliani in the WH, now that would be one bad nightmare,
And Mac would prob get Reaganed (03/81) too, so he woundnt enjoy it either.
You can't have it both ways. Either you need their help, or you're somehow better than them that you can just insult them and deal with it yourself.
ferro:
Gaza fighting is mostly throwing rocks at tanks, and tanks and flying things doing nasty things back. As various commentators say its asymmetrical warfare.
So how is a shotgun against unarmed people symmetrical? By that logic, that VT shooter was fighting back, too. No one's gonna defend a Latino punk who shot a black child in a car for "occupying" his "territory", so what's the difference?
PTSD by any chance, cant be nice living with the fear or experience of bombs and violence on a daily basis.
we have 'normal' people here in the US snapping and going on kill crazy rampages, so has to be a bit worse over there with daily outrages going on.
ferrofluid@91 McCain/Ghouliani would be truly terrifying. That would be like Emperor/Vader 08 but even more frightening since we know that Ghouliani would never have a change of heart and turn on McCain.
ferrofluid@94 There have been a lot of rampages lately. Lots of people going into public places and opening fire randomly. In Feb alone there were more then I can ever remember in one month.
sensitive non discriminating policing in action, wonder how beaten and tortured they are by now.
You dont hear about Israeli police arresting and detaining whole non palistinian families after contrary killings there.
Police raided the Abu Dheim home in the Jebel Mukaber neighborhood within two hours of the gunman's attack, arresting Abu Dheim's father and six other male family members.
ferrofluid@94 There have been a lot of rampages lately. Lots of people going into public places and opening fire randomly. In Feb alone there were more then I can ever remember in one month.
Recessions, PTSD, and bad times tends to break people beyond their snapping point.
Veterans of previous wars can snap decades after they come home, PTSD does not go away.
McCain isn’t even President, yet, and he’s already responsible for lost jobs!
See, that's the experience HRC was braggin' on him for. It always pays off. Look at Rummy. The guy held more jobs in govt than any two people put together. And when it came to screwing this country into an endless bloodbath, he knew just how to do it. And Joe Lieberman! He is literally too experienced to function in only one party. And Dick Cheney! He was so good as national terrorism coordinator, we've got 10 or 20 times as many terrorists now!
I think McCain should pick Laura Bush for veep. Think of all the experience she's soaked up in those knock down dragouts with Junior. She'd be a great campaigner.
This is not a good thing especially when it comes from a newspaper like the right wing Washington Times. I don't know what happened but things have changed since I was a teen. Most teens like myself were physically fit for the most part. I guess being physically fit is a rarity today.
Military recruit numbers drop
"The longevity of the Iraq war, a negative view of military life and rising obesity rates nationwide were cited as principal reasons for the decline by military and data analysts who discussed the issue at the Heritage Foundation.
About a third of potential military recruits are rejected because of an inability to meet physical standards, according to Department of Defense material presented by Mr. Chu. He said the military might not be doing enough to recruit from colleges, which he called one of the military's biggest competitors for high-school graduates."
If history is a reliable guide, the recession of 2008 is now unavoidable.
The median household earned $48,201 in 2006, down from $49,244 in 1999, according to the Census Bureau. It now looks as if a full decade may pass before most Americans receive a raise.
DC: Technically, the 1999 income would be worth $55-$60 grand in today's dollars. Anyway, if anyone is looking to adopt dogs in shelters, the black ones need love, too.
He was so excited for the meeting that, while waiting for McCain to arrive, Bush stood outside on the North Portico and entertained the press corps by tap dancing, doing a goofy walk, winking, and smiling. Watch it:
Millions knew this would happen in 2000.
Many voted for Nader anyway.
Oh yeah. It's Nader's fault
:roll:
Al Gore would have saved the world! He would have fought as passionately to fight his corporate masters as he did to claim the election he won!
People who didn't give him more votes not to count should be ashamed of themselves, and continue to be disenfranchised from the system until they come back with their tail between their legs!
Millions knew this would happen in 2000.
Many voted for Nader anyway.
Oh yeah. It's Nader's fault
:roll:
Al Gore would have saved the world! He would have fought as passionately to fight his corporate masters as he did to claim the election he won!
People who didn't give him more votes not to count should be ashamed of themselves, and continue to be disenfranchised from the system until they come back with their tail between their legs!
I think she meant "rickroll".
oh yeah, gonna rickroll, gonna rickroll
I like the name change (HUssein) because it shows solidarity and support. Meanwhile red states think we're ripping each other to pieces, but I call it lively discourse, and it's probably needed in America 2008. Just my thought.
To Renee21 and all you other obamazoids. Maybe cause yer guy or his people(REAL convenient how often his PEOPLE screw up but NOT him huh?) are lying through his teeth AGAIN! catch the statement from the Canadian Prime Minister saying there have been NO ovetures from the Clinton camp, just obamalamadingdong'd bunch? NO? Gee, maybe you ought to take off those blinders huh?
To Renee21 and all you other obamazoids. Maybe cause yer guy or his people(REAL convenient how often his PEOPLE screw up but NOT him huh?) are lying through his teeth AGAIN! catch the statement from the Canadian Prime Minister saying there have been NO ovetures from the Clinton camp, just obamalamadingdong'd bunch? NO? Gee, maybe you ought to take off those blinders huh?
I don't really care about either side yelling at each other. "blah blah blah blah"
It's all the same
OK, totally random, but I just felt a lump im my mouth. Can I go to the Gen Prac or should I go to the dentist to check if it's cancer?
:( now my morning is ruined
Machiavellianism, something I am a rookie at but do understand about systems people and some what intuitive notion about information theory. Renee and Mo dem@26 made a comment that intrigued me.
Here, Hillary Clinton is characterized as Machiavellian strikes me as interesting. My wonder is how Clinton’s personal gain falls in this endeavor; Health Care for everyone certainly is not a personal gain. So far a great deal of personal chatter about the Clintons is the best anyone can see, through the decades with only wrong doing leading to personal sex, all very heterosexual. All the talk, has been nothing more than a concerted effort of Demogaugery against the Clintons. Anyone can see a full time ambition of persuasive bigotry is always in motion against the Clinton’s, constantly laced with controversy is rampant, highly and likely distributed by full time non profit Institutional and corporate surrogates.
And, no matter what nicety is projected out of Mainstream Media the blade of Demogaugery is already in flight behind the scenes to take the head off the democratic candidates. Ladies and Gentlemen of America this NAFTA thing is exploding. Especially if there is records of telephone calls, Fe Fi Fo Fisa, one can smell the data base of warrentless data bases here. Which can really be something that needs to be investigated that has been made by both sides of the democratic camps?
Seems Keith Olbermann and Howard Fineman have some in side scoop rich in details of Hillary Clinton positioning herself to profit from talking to the Canadians. but, what is lacking is the who, what, where, and, when Keith and Howard are phase shifting. Throwing the whole story out of phase against Hillary is interesting. How about freezing all those emails, or any email deleted during this period is suspect of co conspiracy to commit fraud. Imagine Howe and Kiethy wouldn’t do such a thing like that would they? Yep, they would, so save their ass you bet.
Either side of the Political Parties could just be talking to anyone to find out the current events, simple updates, yes, but exact telephone timing is the flag waving with Yankee doodle patriotic ideological side stepping, the Bush dance staged to phase shift the context, Rovian at its best, truly deceitful, for truly false presentations, that truly speaks of, free speech treachery to what America has endured by slick professionals in Mainstream Media first line Journalist for decades. These guy’s are good.
The endless layers unknown or unanswered telephone calls that are illustrated with young sleeping heads in a political commercial got me thinking, and also set off a whirl of fear mongering analysis by the political talking heads. Innocent young sleeping heads are not giving away details of personal family business, or like young college students fact finding only to find themselves creating timelines of controversy that diminishes the very culture we want to respect. Of course the Republican Neo-Con fear mongers don’t even want you to ponder that.
Call it what you will, the die is pretty much cast.
And your basis for this opinion is what?
The primaries, which Obama has substantially won -- he even won the Texas delegate count race, which matters more than the popular vote (there).
That's OK -- she'll make a good VP, and we need BOTH halves of the party. Good thing, because the DLC isn't going away, but they aren't in the top slots any more.
I fully expect HRC to kick and scream, and do ANYTHING to get on top of the ticket, ho-hum, but Obama and the grassroots have already pretty much played this gig:
Fri, 03/07/2008 - 07:16 — Stop it you are pulling my head off Hussein (not verified)
Dear Secular,
Fact: Brodie is known to have originally spilled the beans to reporters regarding her reassurances.
"He said someone from Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. ... That someone called us and told us not to worry," the journalist quoted Brodie (the Canadian PM's chief of staff) as saying, according to the report."
To insinuate that the Canadian Prime Minister's office is being truthful is incorrect.
Fact: The ensuing memo leak was strategic.
OK, totally random, but I just felt a lump im my mouth. Can I go to the Gen Prac or should I go to the dentist to check if it's cancer?
GP. Probably an abscess, not exactly nice, but not necessarily a disaster, either.
Thank you. I'm freaking out right now. I have done teh chewing tobacco off and on for a year now so I know lumps are not all that fantastic.
It's nothing hurting, nothing discolored (like web sources I've seen say are the symptoms), but I have this small pea-sized lump down where my cheek and gum meet. Man, this is intense.
Love how it's 'nobody's fault'. A corporation is a person until it matters, then it's just a business. Nobody's fault. It's all just 'business' as usual.
Until it's hundreds of thousands of people losing their homes and their jobs. Then it does matter because suddenly there's no money for the greedies to get. No amount of foreclosure or repossessing is going to get them a dime. There is no money to be had. But you can certainly have those acres of empty mcmansions which are slowly being stripped like abandoned cars. All the copper wire and piping. Then the fixtures. And anything that isn't nailed down. Anything that might be worth a few coins is stolen. Torn out. And finally the place is burned or vandalized beyond use so tearing it down becomes the only choice.
Welcome to the corporation known as 'merika. We sell perpetual war. Business is slow so we're selling off our population.
Fri, 03/07/2008 - 08:15 — max keiser (not verified)
i've been posting on C&L for almost two years - asking john to showcase my films: "death of the dollar" and "Death of the Dollar 2" I don't think he understands the gravity of the situation and how political discussions are important but unless something is done to stop the death of the dollar all political conversations become moot.
I tried to get these films on US TV but no network would play them.. I ended up getting them on Al Jazeera (not that they don't already know this, as they have been buying Gold lately to protect themselves - something I discuss in these films)
The characterization of Sen. Clinton as a monster by your former adviser is an insult to monsters everywhere. Through the centuries we monsters have carefully cultivated such political identities as Godzilla or King Kong. No self respecting monster can demonstrate the art of triangulation, denial and memory blackout and still hide in a closet.
Had the talents of desperate rationalization(1), calculated denial(2) and so useful triangulation(3) been demonstrated by the monsters of our dreams we would be at war all over the globe.
A straight up monster would never obscure cluster bombing civilians(4) with a discreet vote.
Yours truly,
Monsters by adjective.
notes:
1 war vote
2 Kyle Lieberman
3 see NAFTAgate
4 Amendment 4882
There will be a test......we're living thru it right now!
It puts it all together. It becomes clear why there is a muddling of the truth behind Canada's intrusion into the primary season news cycles regarding NAFTA). It becomes clear why there is such a concerted effort by establishment figure-heads such as McCain and Clinton, to paint HOPE as a ludicrous proposition for political movement while insisting that only they meet a "Commander in Chief threshold" (whatever the hell that is!) and are the only candidates of the three qualified to lead in these days of "terror."
Such a fundamental human trait and conscientiously and pleasantly experienced human desire as HOPE painted as "stupid" by our political "leaders" should make you worry.
They (watch the videos, all of them) were not able to see the power of the net to enable that sharing, that conscious experience of interacting, albeit with words, but nonetheless capable of fostering the the cognition that there is a "sameness" about us. But they are trying to cut that off too! I hope Obama can stay safe and we can demand the same! I worry for my grandchildren.
Sometimes when I'm really down about the situation that Progressives find themselves in - say after the 2004 relection of Bush - I reread great words from great men (and women). The Grapes of Wrath is a source of such words/inspiration. To the professor referenced upthread who thought it only popular because it portrayed the plight of white people: you're a fucking idiot. I can remember back in the late 60s in rural Wisconsin when they tried to ban Grapes of Wrath from my school library. Too "anti-business," "socialist" etc.
Read the first two pages of chapter 14. No characters, just a discussion of the moment when the downtrodden in society quit viewing themselves as "I" and start to demand equal justice as a collective "we". How that defining moment terrifies the wealthy owners, and causes those in power to do whatever it takes to squash such reforms. Powerful stuff. As true of fascists and dictators in the 1930s as it is of the wealthy Republicans and corporations today. I'll end my little rant with an excerpt:
"For man, unlike any other thing organic or inorganic in the universe, grows beyond his work, walks up the stairs of his concepts, emerges ahead of his accomplishments. This you may say of man—when theories change and crash, when schools, philosophies, when narrow dark alleys of thought, national, religious, economic, grow and disintegrate, man reaches, stumbles forward, painfully, mistakenly sometimes. Having stepped forward, he may slip back, but only half a step, never the full step back. This you may say and know it and know it. This you may know when the bombs plummet out of the black planes on the market place, when prisoners are stuck like pigs, when the crushed bodies drain filthily in the dust. You may know it in this way. If the step were not being taken, if the stumbling-forward ache were not alive, the bombs would not fall, the throats would not be cut. Fear the time when the bombs stop falling while the bombers live—for every bomb is proof that the spirit has not died. And fear the time when the strikes stop while the great owners live—for every little beaten strike is proof that the step is being taken. And this you can know—fear the time when Manself will not suffer and die for a concept, for this one quality is the foundation of Manself, and this one quality is man, distinctive in the universe."
1. Take away their free time.
If both mother and father are holding down jobs to just barely make the rent and keep their children fed then neither of them will have any time to get involved in politics, protest or anything else that could change the status quo. Take away worker protections. Keep everyone working at 50-60 hours just to keep a roof over their heads and they will never have time to do anything else.
2. Take away their education.
Keep them ignorant of what has happenned and what could happen. Decrease the quality of public schooling. Decrease the availibility of college to all by increasing it;s cost and decreasing the time available to attend.
3. Take away their health.
An unhealthy populace is a populace without excess energy. Energy that could be used in political activism. Take away or significantly decrease consumer protections for drug and food quality. Make health care unaffordable and let preventative health care be an impractical dream. Promote quick and cheap fatty foods and promote unhealthy obesity. A fat and sickened popolace will work for more food but will have little energy to do anything else.
4. Take away their information.
Consolidate all major media channels into just a handful of sources that are controlled by the ruling class. Take away truly investigative reporting from television, radio and newspapers. Make the populace distrust all their news sources. increase the price of books and consolidate book publishers into just a few corporations - the same ones that control the other media. If a major arms supplier like G.E. owns a major media channel (like NBC) , exactly how much anti-war investigative journalism will occur?
5. Divide and conquer. Keep them in fear.
Blacks against Whites. Whites against Mexican immigrants. Blue states against red states. Crips against Hoods. Hillary against Obama. Iraq is out to get you. Tomorrow it could be Iran. terrorists are everywhere. Ralley against foriegners and immigration while all the time making sure that more and more low cost workers flood the market and to compete with the populace. Low cost labor plus a diversion from the real crux of the problem - double bonus. If you don't trust your neighbor than you will be less likely to stand together with him.
It's a simple formula and I'm sure there are other parts to it. It seems to work well in Mexico, in Central America and in China. It certainly worked well in Stalanist Russia. The only question is will it continue to work well in America ? How far will American's let ot go?
Call it what you will, the die is pretty much cast.
And your basis for this opinion is what?
The primaries, which Obama has substantially won — he even won the Texas delegate count race, which matters more than the popular vote (there).
That’s OK — she’ll make a good VP, and we need BOTH halves of the party. Good thing, because the DLC isn’t going away, but they aren’t in the top slots any more.
I fully expect HRC to kick and scream, and do ANYTHING to get on top of the ticket, ho-hum, but Obama and the grassroots have already pretty much played this gig:
http://www.freakingnews.com/Ob.....-44889.asp
None of this answered my question. In what way is "the die pretty much cast"? Do you have anything like "Obama's staffers considering HRC on the ticket", or vice versa, or perhaps "voters demand split ticket", or anything at all?
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You had to Choose Grapes of Wrath?
Dooooooh
The next movie is 'Campaigns of Wrath': Obama Comments on the ‘Monster’ Remark
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=1578
An Omen?
Fasten you seatbelts: it's going to be a Bumpy Ride!
And to the Rich and Powerful out there that may be reading this: Thanks for f@#king this country up.
And to the poor and weak: what would you do without all these years of watching TV?
I got to move...
it's going to be worse than the 30's
the american public is totally inept and stupid....at least the people in the 30's could grow food.
idiot americans don't know how to do anything.....they couldn't feed themselves if they tried.
you're going to feel the grapes of wrath alright.....it will come from years of forrest gumping your way through life.
ooh Joady
"My view is that the United States' special relationship with Israel obligates us to be helpful to them in the search for credible partners with whom they can make peace, while also supporting Israel in defending itself against enemies sworn to its destruction."
-Barack Obama.
If Obama would come out against Israel's recent self-described "Holocaust" against Palestine, I might feel better about supporting him. But then again, saying anything against Israel is enough to ruin one's political career in this country.
Unfortunately , the same guy probably would've vote for Bush.Keep em' stupid( uneducated) and controll by fear. Big red telephone.Go Obama.
sigh.....So I guess we are all living through some kind of Steinbeckian Hell....Go Obama....if we are having a Depression he is the best man to have at the Helm...
I love you Bluegal on Friday March 7, 2008!
of mice and mean........
If the next Depression occurs, this time the people just might use those shotguns.
I've been watching cnbc lately cause I've been following the markets. You want to see some cold conservatives, watch that channel. I used to watch them 8 years ago and I don't remember them being that political. People like Larry Kudlow and another sick mother who's name I can't remember were defending executive compensation especially that of Countrywide's CEO. Although he built a big company and created a lot of jobs, the worse the company did, the more compensation he received (and the more stock he sold). Some of the packages these CEO's receive can be as much as 40% of the revenues of the company in one year!
Gotugye @ 10:
No doubt. Unlikely people are going to sit around this time. Not after this screwing.
But wait.
Where ever there's a fight so hungry people can eat...
Where ever there's a cop beatin up a guy...
I'll Be There
It's just somethin I been thinkin about...
I love old movies...but I like new movies about old subjects better: LEARN ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ
There will be a test......we're living thru it right now!
"There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success......And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificates - died of malnutrition - because the food must rot, must be forced to rot.....In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." Sixty nine years later and .....
What would John Steinbeck do?
If more farms convert to organic and bio-dynamic practices, and more communities support these smaller, family-owned farms, we may just be able to avoid another dust bowl.
Grapes of Wrath is a powerful reminder for all of us to know where our food comes from and support CSA (Community Supported Agriculture).
There will never be true social justice until progressives start to understand that knowing economics is the only way foster true justice. The recession is the fruition of Friedman Monetarism started by Regan, but no one on our side is articulating that. When conservative supply side economics only benefit those making over 200k, yet people making 50K think supply side economics is the way to go, it means that progressives have no clue how to explain how oppressive for 90% of America. There has been a vast redistribution of wealth over the last thirty years, consolidating the wealth at the top. Wake up progressives, and start speaking convincing the masses that supply side economics is the cause of the great wealth consolidation at the top!
Peace,
Alec
The nation's leading financier, Warren Buffett, had warned years before that "derivatives," whose value was balanced loosely on the real assets underneath, were the equivalent of "financial weapons of mass destruction." But in the rush for profits, nobody listened.
Can you someone please tell me why the following story has not been reported on the United States news, but manages to make it to the front page of every Canadian newspaper and on the BBC? The rest of the world would like to know.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OOLEK2lr3CM
My sociology professor said the only reason Grapes of Wrath was so respected was because it featured white rural folk, and not the Mexican rural folk Steinbeck encountered. Anyhoo, speaking of racism, inequality continues. CEOs who profited off the housing crisis are upset that Congress is questioning their ethics. Troops are going deaf.
Bush hearts waterboarding.
Those rebates ironically cost $42 million.
HippyGourmet Says: If more farms convert to organic and bio-dynamic practices, and more communities support these smaller, family-owned farms, we may just be able to avoid another dust bowl.
Grapes of Wrath is a powerful reminder for all of us to know where our food comes from and support CSA (Community Supported Agriculture).
It's also a reminder that the PEOPLE united in a cause cannot be defeated by the corporations and the ruling elites.
and, in other news, igor resigns after calling frankenstein "hillary clinton"...
18 Alec Timmerman
Are you hep to Thom Hartmann? He is one of the best on economics!
http://books.google.com/books?as_auth=Thom+Hartmann&sa=X&oi=print&ct=tit...
http://www.thomhartmann.com/
Renee @ 20:
Maybe something to do with the whole Clinton/Murdoch thing...
Lou Dobbs is one mainline journalist talking about the economics disparity in this country. I wish more would follow suit. Thank you Crooks and Liars for preparing us, or giving us the opportunity to learn about this situation. We need it. Peace.
How weird that you would post this scene at this time. I just started reading Grapes of Wrath for the first time, and last night I read this very scene (which takes place in Chapter 5). I got terribly angry while reading it, because how the corporate system has been built into a machine where no one man is accountable for the things the system does, and nobody can be pinpointed as the source of exploitation -- although there are certainly a few people at the top somewhere, and they're getting filthy rich off other's labor and misfortune. Steinbeck describes the banks as monsters that eat profit, and must always grow or die. It's brilliant. I don't know how anyone who buys into capitalism could read that book and come out still believing it's a good system. And that's just Chapter 5!
Orangutan@26 I like Lou Dobbs when he talks about the middle class and some of the other topics close to his heart. He's been fairly consistent in his criticism of Bush's economic policies. And he isn't shy about blasting corporate misdeeds.
However, I hate his election coverage since he often seems to do his impression of an internet troll when discussing anything campaign related.
mo_dem @ 6:
funny, many jews are afraid of what obama's policies towards israel will be, thanks the bogus email
thousands of [Deleted. Polemicizing, flamebaiting-Sitemonitor] hate the fact that he said anything positve about israel
he must be doing something right
btw...terrorists enter a rabbinical seminary, filled with high school and college aged kids, killing 8, wounding dozens....there is dancing in the streets in gaza
during the operation in gaza, how many israelis were dancing in the streets?
[Knock off the generalizations-Sitemonitor]
sad to say but you people aint going to make it if things get like they were in the thirtys, thiers no more freight trains you can bo on , i saw the skinny starveing hopeless guys young and old hanging on to the boxcars in freezing and sweltering weather , watched the railroad dicks beat them up with clubs and throw them onto the rail beds cinders while the trains kept rolling down the tracks , went to the hobo jungle saw them makeing hobo stew out of anything they could beg or steal, back in thoes days your nabior raised chickens in his backyard ,had a vegitable garden , and if he liked you maby you had a little to eat, not anybody allowed to raise chickens in thier yards today, thoes were the days my friend!
tyree @ 30:
Hi tyree! How you gonna get by (cause I know ya will, ya tough 'ol bastid, lol)? Lookin' fer tips here...
;-}
well proud i aint going to make it i came in this world dureing the depreshion looks like ive come full circle, i never thought it would happen again in my lifetime!
proud get some chickens and some vegetable seeds find a bridge and build a nice cardboard box house under it , you wont lack for company if you got them chickens!!!!!he he
tyree @ 30:
we aint gonna make it because we have never known want
our parents and grandparents were made of sturdy stuff, and they wanted their kids to have it better
so they sacrificed
no one sacrifices anymore....not really
plus, thanks the the great depression, we moved to a manufacturing based economy...and now, that is all gone
i heard the heil one ranting about taxes again today...talking about the old world view of the american dream....someone needs to wake that fascist up to the fact that the dream is dead and buried
uncle joe mccarthy @ 30:
(emphasis mine.) funny that anyone critical of israel's policies toward palestine gets labeled a jew hater. i noticed that 8 people were killed in jerusalem because it was all over the front page of every news site. if 123 israeli women and children were killed, can you imagine? nbc might even have to interrupt regular broadcasting for that breaking news.
how can any decent human being possibly defend israel's actions against palestine? it makes me sick. i hope that someday my country cuts ties with israel. we are israel's only ally in the world; if we stop supporting them, no one would come to their defense, and maybe they would stop the killing. goodnight now.
back in thoes days you ate potatos for breakfast if you could get them ,boiled fried, stewed , maby next day you had some eggs for one meal a day, mostly you went to bed hungry, then the fires went out in the coal stoves you ripped up the lenolium rugs threw them in if you still had a fire going then the furniture went finally you stoled coal off the freight trains and hoped the railroad cops didnt catch you , i saw my dads hands freeze to the condola rungs when it was so cold , it ripped the flesh off his palms , everybody who lived along the tracks threw coal off the trains in the darkness!
uncle joe mccarthy @ 29:
I don't know how you would feel after you've been starved, your kids murdered in cold blood in front of your eyes, you are unemployed, you have no place to go, no drinking water, no electricity and the sewer is running down the streets while you're begging humanitarian relief organizations for food and medical help and medicine. I've just read an article that was published a few months ago where a Palestinian child who had cancer needed to get radiation therapy. Israel wouldn't let him and his wheelchair across into Israel. His parents begged, his mom begged. Nothing became of it. A couple of weeks later the child was dead.
It's too bad that Jews like you don't speak out against the atrocities committed by the Zionist regime in Israel. And there is a difference between racist Zionism and the Jewish religion. It's too bad that you're willing to follow Israeli propaganda blindly just because the only thing you have in common with them is your religion. Israel loves gullible Jews who fight for it's cause, but who don't understand or prefer to look the other way just because Israel gives them a sense of belonging. Like I said, Israel gives Jews worldwide a bad name. Just like Al-Qaeda gives Muslims a bad name.
You cry foul when 8 Israelis are gunned down, but when 120 Palestinian were killed by Israel this last weekend alone, 40 of whom were children, you didn't bat an eye. Did you?
By the way, did you know that the Holocaust survivors whom Germany compensated throughout the years haven't seen a dime from all that money? It all went to your beloved Israeli government.
I grew up in Israel (unfortunately). I always thought to myself, how can a people who were persecuted in Nazi Germany and who have been victims of fascist policies turn around and do similar acts to others? I guess Israel can always play the victim card whenever it suites it.
PS: Rabbi Kook was the leader and founder of the settler movement. You know, those folks who stole land from Palestinians, uprooted their olive trees and kicked them off their land because of some passage in the Torah says that God gave them the land.
The uss liberty!!!
Thank you Israel.
nuff said!
Guardian UK: Food crisis will take hold before climate change, warns chief scientist
Food security and the rapid rise in food prices make up the "elephant in the room" that politicians must face up to quickly, according to the government's new chief scientific adviser.
In his first major speech since taking over, Professor John Beddington said the global rush to grow biofuels was compounding the problem, and cutting down rainforest to produce biofuel crops was "profoundly stupid".
He told the Govnet Sustainable Development UK Conference in Westminster: "There is progress on climate change. But out there is another major problem. It is very hard to imagine how we can see a world growing enough crops to produce renewable energy and at the same time meet the enormous increase in the demand for food which is quite properly going to happen as we alleviate poverty."
He predicted that price rises in staples such as rice, maize and wheat would continue because of increased demand caused by population growth and increasing wealth in developing nations. He also said that climate change would lead to pressure on food supplies because of decreased rainfall in many areas and crop failures related to climate. "The agriculture industry needs to double its food production, using less water than today," he said. The food crisis would bite more quickly than climate change, he added.
But he reserved some of his most scathing comments for the biofuel industry, which he said had delivered a "major shock" to world food prices. "In terms of biofuels there has been, quite properly, a reaction against it," he said. "There are real problems with unsustainability."
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mo_dem @ 26:
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I am beginning to believe that we truly live a a fascist society. Last night I ran across the following article:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/738264.aspx
This is the worst Machiavellian-style political maneuver I have ever witness in my entire life. And it makes sense to me because after all Clinton was the former president, so he would have more a reason to maintain contact with a foreign government such a Canada.
...Later, I decided search youtube to get more information, and I found that the story was being posted and removed within minutes. Certain members of youtube community complained that they had to re-post the story over and over again because the Clinton camp complained and had it removed. This really surprised me. It also surprises me that this is such a big story but no major US news company is reporting it. I am beginning to suspect that our votes and our voices don't count, and this makes me sick to my stomach.
#17, not just what would John Steinbeck do, but don't forget who made the movie, (which, by the way, Steinbeck loved). What would John Ford do? Or better yet, what would Tom Joad, or Ma, or Pa, or Muley, and maybe most of all, what would Reverend Casey do?
My guess is that none of them would know until it happened. But that's okay.
And #15, you ain't all wrong. But you gotta lot of learnin' to do. Sometimes a movie made right at the same time (sorry, I'm too lazy to try to spell contemp. Whatever), after just gettin' through it, is more valuable and more relevant than any romanticized recreation even just a decade later.
And one more thing Uncle Joe McCarthy, I don't care how many Israelis were dancing in the streets. Israelis lead a normal life, barring the occasional "attack". They go to the beach, they go to work and they lead a normal life. The Palestinians on the other hand are in a prison, unable to leave, unable to move without being beaten or turned back and are unable to go to school and lead any normal life by any stretch of the imagination. The separation wall that is 24 feet high that Israel built to "prevent" "attacks" has closed off the Palestinians to the outside world and has divided families and villages. So, in the long run, Israelis are dancing in the streets while they treat Palestinians like animals at a zoo.
Do you remember who cried and whined about the Gulags and the Ghettos of Europe? That's right, the same people who are now applying the same strategies onto the Palestinians.
Hey all. I'm in one of my "Let's Discuss the Constitution" moods. (Largely brought on by the thread two entries down from this one about Primary Pain, in which a debate emerged about whether the most important reason to vote Democratic in November was that the next president will appoint several Supreme Court justices.)
So, for anyone who'd like to indulge me, here's a fun question for everyone:
Is the Bill of Rights binding on state governments?
:)
Israel's occupation of the West Bank:
1. Divide and conquer
2. Starve and control
3. Beat, imprison and detain
4. Claim to want peace while building more and more settlements on Palestinian land
5. Sit and wonder, gee wiz, color me naive (or a hypocrite), but why do the Palestinians not like us?
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2004/07/wall.html
McDuff @ 45:
Shhhh, don't say that out aloud, you might be labeled an anti semite.
Run!!
[Deleted. Racist-Sitemonitor]
McDuff @ 45:
Don't forget the Holy Grail of Zion-ness: To convince the Palestinian people they are utterly powerless.
Maybe that's why they dance when something horrible happens to the the people who put them down and lord it over them. Control their travel, water, food.
Ragnarok @ 46:
Wait for me fellas!
How are we so different from these migratory farm workers Steinbeck brought to life in this book?
Jobs being outsourced?
All of us here have to compete for jobs on a global scale.
Just look at the conditions of people who have the privilege of living in substandard housing, working long hours, and very little pay in what we consider third world countries.
Why do we consider ourselves somehow protected from that kind of possibility in the future.
Think again...
On 28 December 2006, the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem published its annual report. In 2006 the Israeli military killed 141 Palestinian children.
That year alone, Israeli forces demolished 300 houses and slew entire families. and since 2000, Israeli forces killed almost four thousand Palestinians, half of them children; more than twenty thousand were wounded.
http://www.btselem.org/English/
Jack Springer @ 47:
I think your response epitomizes the very hypocrisy and lack of tact from the Israeli side and those who support Israel's policies. How do your statements make you any different than the Nazis? [They don't. I have to answer for him. He's banned-Sitemonitor]
[Deleted. Racist. Head back to Stormfront, buddy. You won't be posting here anymore-Sitemonitor]
Jack Springer @ 53:
Genocide is your version of peace?
McDuff @ 54:
Not that you asked me, McDuff, but I would recommend not engaging this Jack Springer.
McDuff @ 52:
The lack of Stalags and concentration camps, For the rest it's neo fascist like.
Jack@47 That "rationale" would be good enough to wipe a lot of people off the face of the earth. Just set some kind of bar and if they don't get over the bar then they get to learn what a genocide is. I'm sure a lot of African countries don't contribute much so why don't you put them on the list as well. Maybe add Canada or Mexico since we can always use their land.
Where do you draw the line since you invoked the concept of "worth" to determine whether they "deserve" to live or not? I think this is something that Milosevec, the Nazis, and others have also agreed with. You have some interesting company.
Karen @ 55:
No problem. You make a good point. I think I'm going to call it a night.
Have pleasant dreams, Karen.
@40 mountain 43
“The agriculture industry needs to double its food production, using less water than today,” he said. The food crisis would bite more quickly than climate change..."
60% of farm land in the United States is growing soybeans and corn (conventional and GMO), primarily for use in processed foods and bio-fuels.
Even if every American wanted to eat the daily recommended food pyramid of fruits and vegetables, there aren't enough farms growing this variety of produce to support that diet.
Food is political unfortunately, and thus the reason to support family farms and organic collectives wherever possible.
Today - March 8 - is International Women's Day.
Though scarcely mentioned here in the US it actually began here, 100 years ago today.
A Brief History of International Women's Day
Later March 8 was adopted as date of International Women's Day.
Millions knew this would happen in 2000.
Many voted for Nader anyway.
At least we have better and safer(sp?) cars now because of him.
whizkid @ 61:
Oh yeah. It's Nader's fault
:roll:
That was nice to hear that those boys down South simply figured things out with a handshake.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080308/ts_nm/venezuela_colombia_dc_61
I wish our leaders could figure that technique out. It would cease a lot of pain and killing and save some money to boot.
Go Obama.
"That was nice to hear that those boys down South simply figured things out with a handshake.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....mbia_dc_61"
WOW, that's a good thing :D
curtilingus @ 12:
theres words and processes to explain how this scam works; 'organized cooperative theft' accomplished by cooperation between company boards members / execs and connected fund managerswho control investor funds in the companies.
Its the sweetest legal means of stealing money going.
HippyGourmet @ 18:
Dust bowl refers to drought not economic conditions but they do follow in the wake of the droughts.
The early 30s was a period of high average temps higher than the global warming scare now.
Couple this with the water aquafers drying up and or contamination and big trouble ahead, I believe one of the Dashle Hammond books (and movies) had water contamination as a sub plot.
go to Yahoo Weather and look up temp records and records, the early 30s was a scary period.
Corporate ponzi schemes to attract the investors. If you are an investor and it looks too good to be true your greed will make the corporate whore very wealthy.
I've always thought the words "grapes of wrath" an odd expresion. Revelation reads like a bad trip.
Why limit it to grapes?
Or wrath?
How about....
The plums of fatigue
The apples of delight
The figs of modesty
The oranges of surprise
Alec Timmerman @ 19:
Informed people on progressive blogs who read history and understand some of it do know this, its impossible to teach basic economics and politics to people whose level of economic understanding and cultural awareness barely rises ambove American idol and scarey gas prices.
The Repulsions know this and exploit it again and again, plus average America likes living in a bubble and self medicating, maybe they know deep down its the path of least pain.
What rhymes with orange?
Door hinge?
get the reverence? :p
seevee @ 70:
its a play on harvest of anger, ie reaping what you sow or comes your way.
ferrofluid Says: Alec Timmerman @ 19:
There will never be true social justice until progressives start to understand that knowing economics is the only way foster true justice. The recession is the fruition of Friedman Monetarism started by Regan, but no one on our side is articulating that. When conservative supply side economics only benefit those making over 200k, yet people making 50K think supply side economics is the way to go, it means that progressives have no clue how to explain how oppressive for 90% of America. There has been a vast redistribution of wealth over the last thirty years, consolidating the wealth at the top. Wake up progressives, and start speaking convincing the masses that supply side economics is the cause of the great wealth consolidation at the top!
Peace,
Alec
Informed people on progressive blogs who read history and understand some of it do know this, its impossible to teach basic economics and politics to people whose level of economic understanding and cultural awareness barely rises ambove American idol and scarey gas prices.
The Repulsions know this and exploit it again and again, plus average America likes living in a bubble and self medicating, maybe they know deep down its the path of least pain.
Well said, The repugnantones will always try to take advantage of the progressives while the progressives arew too busy trying to make it.
The lemons of disappointment
The dates of blindness ( that's bad, even for me )
The cookies of decay
The milk of sourness ( OK, I'll stop )
ferrofluid @ 71:
A good documentary can put it in simple terms that the average person can understand. I've seen this happen. Aaron Russo does it. Zeitgeist of course. Money as Debt. It is possible. You are right about the motivation though.
In Case You Missed It: "Barack Obama's name was mentioned twice during [the] defense attorney['s] opening statement" in the political corruption trial of Antoin "Tony" Rezko, Sen. Obama's "political patron" and friend of 17 years.
When you look at a story like Farmer John Peterson "The Real Dirt on Farmer John" (www.AngelicOrganics.com), and you see what happened in the 1980's to family farms in this country as the banks were encouraging loans for non-diverse seed plantings, chemicals and fertilizers - it certainly seemed like there were larger forces at work that wanted to aggregate this farm land away from small families into the hands of large companies as these farms began to fail.
John Peterson's story however has a very happy (and on-going) message, after he converts what's left of his Illinois farm land to organic, bio-dynamic and sustainable practices, and partners with CSA (community supported agriculture), there is absolute renewal and rejuvination on all fronts.
So climate and weather certainly play a role, but one can argue that altering our farming (and eating) habits can also provide positive change.
I dunno. People keep arguing that the Palestinians are suffering, but the guy who attacked the seminary was an Israeli citizen, so what's his excuse? I mean, if they have to have revenge, shouldn't they be going after the soldiers themselves, and not the citizens?
And if they have the money to build bombs and rockets, why don't they give it back to the community instead? Maybe it's my experience out in L.A., but as bad as the neighborhoods for blacks and Latinos here are, they don't go defending their gangs as a form of resistance against gentrified developers and corrupt cops.
Tequila @ 79:
Christ. I thought you were smarter than that. My bad.
Hey, that moniker thing's pretty cool.
An old idea of mine, maybe too late for the current WOT, but could be used for the next Republican war.
seevee @ 75:
The smell of Bushco (gag cough choke)
Tequila @ 79:
Right, that's why Palistines (sp?) always get fecked at the check points. Even ambulances are being hold back! How many people died because of that?
Fucking idiot!
must see interviews
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/watch2.html
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03072008/watch.html
mo_dem @ 6:
President Obama has the ability to be an ACTUAL diplomat.
There is no freaking way to compare Boy Wonder --or-- McCain't to the concept 'diplomat.'
One should think that Samantha Power calling HRC a monster would have endeared her to some of you. Her understandings of diplomacy toward the goal of ending such crimes against humanity was directly informed by Sergio De Mello, the subject of her second book. That's expert caliber advice for an alternative agenda rooted in social justice and mutual respect, even if she is an academic and says what's on her mind in a collegial manner that is punished heavily in the partisan media.
The whining about Obama is just people who don't get that he is a natural diplomat. But for sure the people around the world are hearing it LOUD AND CLEAR. They've seen our worst, and we need to get together to make sure things change.
Obama/Clinton '08
"Obama/Clinton ‘08"
What a fucking joke, NEVER!!!!
Ragnarok:
How many doctors on the Israeli side who could've saved their lives got blown up by them? Hell, those doctors get separate-but-equal treatment under the Red Cross, but I don't see them going Columbine on random Palestinian civilians.
"How many doctors on the Israeli side"
Are you saying that Israeli doctors are Humans? At least the politicians are not.
Tequila @ 88:
How many doctors on the Israeli side who could've saved their lives got blown up by them? Hell, those doctors get separate-but-equal treatment under the Red Cross, but I don't see them going Columbine on random Palestinian civilians.
They have an army and airforcewith big weapons to do that for them.
Gaza fighting is mostly throwing rocks at tanks, and tanks and flying things doing nasty things back.
As various commentators say its asymmetrical warfare.
Ragnarok @ 87:
would you rather it was McCain/Giuliani in the WH, now that would be one bad nightmare,
And Mac would prob get Reaganed (03/81) too, so he woundnt enjoy it either.
Ragnarok:
You can't have it both ways. Either you need their help, or you're somehow better than them that you can just insult them and deal with it yourself.
ferro:
So how is a shotgun against unarmed people symmetrical? By that logic, that VT shooter was fighting back, too. No one's gonna defend a Latino punk who shot a black child in a car for "occupying" his "territory", so what's the difference?
ferrofluid @ 91:
No, of course not.^__^
Tequila @ 92:
You can't have it both ways. Either you need their help, or you're somehow better than them that you can just insult them and deal with it yourself.
ferro:
So how is a shotgun against unarmed people symmetrical? By that logic, that VT shooter was fighting back, too. No one's gonna defend a Latino punk who shot a black child in a car for "occupying" his "territory", so what's the difference?
PTSD by any chance, cant be nice living with the fear or experience of bombs and violence on a daily basis.
we have 'normal' people here in the US snapping and going on kill crazy rampages, so has to be a bit worse over there with daily outrages going on.
ferrofluid@91 McCain/Ghouliani would be truly terrifying. That would be like Emperor/Vader 08 but even more frightening since we know that Ghouliani would never have a change of heart and turn on McCain.
Oh yeah, Obama should run with someone who goes around saying that McCain would make a better president than he would.
ferrofluid@94 There have been a lot of rampages lately. Lots of people going into public places and opening fire randomly. In Feb alone there were more then I can ever remember in one month.
sensitive non discriminating policing in action, wonder how beaten and tortured they are by now.
You dont hear about Israeli police arresting and detaining whole non palistinian families after contrary killings there.
LAT link
Roark77 Hussein @ 97:
Recessions, PTSD, and bad times tends to break people beyond their snapping point.
Veterans of previous wars can snap decades after they come home, PTSD does not go away.
Daylight Savings Time is a crock.
Ain't nobody's fault...
Nice to see a l'il Steinbeck and John Ford...
Tequila @ 100:
Republican idea to get more blood out of slave working condition factory workers maybe !
Ragnarok @ 87:
Call it what you will, the die is pretty much cast.
Batocchio @ 101:
Call it what you will, the die is pretty much cast.
And your basis for this opinion is what?
nsr @ 105:
maybe the people expressing their wishes at the democratic caucuses have demanded this outcome
ferrofluid @ 104:
for sale one mutt, almost house trained (if you dont mind the pooping in corners) and a good tap dancer...
McCain isn't even President, yet, and he's already responsible for lost jobs!
Tequila @ 108:
Its a good job they dont use NY pigeons in cyborg autopilots... that would be scary.
McCain isn’t even President, yet, and he’s already responsible for lost jobs!
See, that's the experience HRC was braggin' on him for. It always pays off. Look at Rummy. The guy held more jobs in govt than any two people put together. And when it came to screwing this country into an endless bloodbath, he knew just how to do it. And Joe Lieberman! He is literally too experienced to function in only one party. And Dick Cheney! He was so good as national terrorism coordinator, we've got 10 or 20 times as many terrorists now!
I think McCain should pick Laura Bush for veep. Think of all the experience she's soaked up in those knock down dragouts with Junior. She'd be a great campaigner.
This is not a good thing especially when it comes from a newspaper like the right wing Washington Times. I don't know what happened but things have changed since I was a teen. Most teens like myself were physically fit for the most part. I guess being physically fit is a rarity today.
Military recruit numbers drop
"The longevity of the Iraq war, a negative view of military life and rising obesity rates nationwide were cited as principal reasons for the decline by military and data analysts who discussed the issue at the Heritage Foundation.
About a third of potential military recruits are rejected because of an inability to meet physical standards, according to Department of Defense material presented by Mr. Chu. He said the military might not be doing enough to recruit from colleges, which he called one of the military's biggest competitors for high-school graduates."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/NATIO...
End to the Good Times (Such as They Were)
If history is a reliable guide, the recession of 2008 is now unavoidable.
The median household earned $48,201 in 2006, down from $49,244 in 1999, according to the Census Bureau. It now looks as if a full decade may pass before most Americans receive a raise.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/business/08recession.html?_r=1&hp&oref...
DC: Technically, the 1999 income would be worth $55-$60 grand in today's dollars. Anyway, if anyone is looking to adopt dogs in shelters, the black ones need love, too.
The lemons of lament.
The blowback of preemptive attack.
Bush sets civilization back 300 years.
He was so excited for the meeting that, while waiting for McCain to arrive, Bush stood outside on the North Portico and entertained the press corps by tap dancing, doing a goofy walk, winking, and smiling. Watch it:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/05/bush-dances-again/
Obama responds. Introduces the McSame Clinton ticket in which he gives them ownership of their war in Casper WY yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgvJVfcyK9s
History repeating...over and over again.
miss_kitty Hussein @ 63:
Al Gore would have saved the world! He would have fought as passionately to fight his corporate masters as he did to claim the election he won!
People who didn't give him more votes not to count should be ashamed of themselves, and continue to be disenfranchised from the system until they come back with their tail between their legs!
Son of Liberty @ 120:
I think she meant "rickroll".
oh yeah, gonna rickroll, gonna rickroll
dang forgot the name change
I like the name change (HUssein) because it shows solidarity and support. Meanwhile red states think we're ripping each other to pieces, but I call it lively discourse, and it's probably needed in America 2008. Just my thought.
[112 DC Says]: End to the Good Times (Such as They Were)
It now looks as if a full decade may pass before most Americans receive a raise.
--->What's a raise?
Good night all & good morning too. (9:30 p.m. in Seoul.)
To Renee21 and all you other obamazoids. Maybe cause yer guy or his people(REAL convenient how often his PEOPLE screw up but NOT him huh?) are lying through his teeth AGAIN! catch the statement from the Canadian Prime Minister saying there have been NO ovetures from the Clinton camp, just obamalamadingdong'd bunch? NO? Gee, maybe you ought to take off those blinders huh?
secularhumanizinevoluter @ 126:
I don't really care about either side yelling at each other. "blah blah blah blah"
It's all the same
OK, totally random, but I just felt a lump im my mouth. Can I go to the Gen Prac or should I go to the dentist to check if it's cancer?
:( now my morning is ruined
Machiavellianism, something I am a rookie at but do understand about systems people and some what intuitive notion about information theory. Renee and Mo dem@26 made a comment that intrigued me.
Here, Hillary Clinton is characterized as Machiavellian strikes me as interesting. My wonder is how Clinton’s personal gain falls in this endeavor; Health Care for everyone certainly is not a personal gain. So far a great deal of personal chatter about the Clintons is the best anyone can see, through the decades with only wrong doing leading to personal sex, all very heterosexual. All the talk, has been nothing more than a concerted effort of Demogaugery against the Clintons. Anyone can see a full time ambition of persuasive bigotry is always in motion against the Clinton’s, constantly laced with controversy is rampant, highly and likely distributed by full time non profit Institutional and corporate surrogates.
And, no matter what nicety is projected out of Mainstream Media the blade of Demogaugery is already in flight behind the scenes to take the head off the democratic candidates. Ladies and Gentlemen of America this NAFTA thing is exploding. Especially if there is records of telephone calls, Fe Fi Fo Fisa, one can smell the data base of warrentless data bases here. Which can really be something that needs to be investigated that has been made by both sides of the democratic camps?
Seems Keith Olbermann and Howard Fineman have some in side scoop rich in details of Hillary Clinton positioning herself to profit from talking to the Canadians. but, what is lacking is the who, what, where, and, when Keith and Howard are phase shifting. Throwing the whole story out of phase against Hillary is interesting. How about freezing all those emails, or any email deleted during this period is suspect of co conspiracy to commit fraud. Imagine Howe and Kiethy wouldn’t do such a thing like that would they? Yep, they would, so save their ass you bet.
Either side of the Political Parties could just be talking to anyone to find out the current events, simple updates, yes, but exact telephone timing is the flag waving with Yankee doodle patriotic ideological side stepping, the Bush dance staged to phase shift the context, Rovian at its best, truly deceitful, for truly false presentations, that truly speaks of, free speech treachery to what America has endured by slick professionals in Mainstream Media first line Journalist for decades. These guy’s are good.
The endless layers unknown or unanswered telephone calls that are illustrated with young sleeping heads in a political commercial got me thinking, and also set off a whirl of fear mongering analysis by the political talking heads. Innocent young sleeping heads are not giving away details of personal family business, or like young college students fact finding only to find themselves creating timelines of controversy that diminishes the very culture we want to respect. Of course the Republican Neo-Con fear mongers don’t even want you to ponder that.
nsr @ 105:
The primaries, which Obama has substantially won -- he even won the Texas delegate count race, which matters more than the popular vote (there).
That's OK -- she'll make a good VP, and we need BOTH halves of the party. Good thing, because the DLC isn't going away, but they aren't in the top slots any more.
I fully expect HRC to kick and scream, and do ANYTHING to get on top of the ticket, ho-hum, but Obama and the grassroots have already pretty much played this gig:
http://www.freakingnews.com/Obama-Elvis-Pics-44889.asp
Son of Liberty @ 120:
Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 127:
GP. Probably an abscess, not exactly nice, but not necessarily a disaster, either.
Dear Secular,
Fact: Brodie is known to have originally spilled the beans to reporters regarding her reassurances.
"He said someone from Clinton's campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. ... That someone called us and told us not to worry," the journalist quoted Brodie (the Canadian PM's chief of staff) as saying, according to the report."
To insinuate that the Canadian Prime Minister's office is being truthful is incorrect.
Fact: The ensuing memo leak was strategic.
secularhumanizinevoluter @ 126:
None of that hogwash matters.
He can do the job. I've watched two Bush's and a Reagan, none of whom was fit to work out the shoe return at a bowling alley.
All this nit picking is like tweaking the wings off of angels. If you could, why would you?
Compared to McCain't? Are you kidding?
Paul in LA @ 130:
Thank you. I'm freaking out right now. I have done teh chewing tobacco off and on for a year now so I know lumps are not all that fantastic.
It's nothing hurting, nothing discolored (like web sources I've seen say are the symptoms), but I have this small pea-sized lump down where my cheek and gum meet. Man, this is intense.
Love how it's 'nobody's fault'. A corporation is a person until it matters, then it's just a business. Nobody's fault. It's all just 'business' as usual.
Until it's hundreds of thousands of people losing their homes and their jobs. Then it does matter because suddenly there's no money for the greedies to get. No amount of foreclosure or repossessing is going to get them a dime. There is no money to be had. But you can certainly have those acres of empty mcmansions which are slowly being stripped like abandoned cars. All the copper wire and piping. Then the fixtures. And anything that isn't nailed down. Anything that might be worth a few coins is stolen. Torn out. And finally the place is burned or vandalized beyond use so tearing it down becomes the only choice.
Welcome to the corporation known as 'merika. We sell perpetual war. Business is slow so we're selling off our population.
i've been posting on C&L for almost two years - asking john to showcase my films: "death of the dollar" and "Death of the Dollar 2" I don't think he understands the gravity of the situation and how political discussions are important but unless something is done to stop the death of the dollar all political conversations become moot.
I tried to get these films on US TV but no network would play them.. I ended up getting them on Al Jazeera (not that they don't already know this, as they have been buying Gold lately to protect themselves - something I discuss in these films)
in case you missed it;
death of the dollar 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54MUm2P1jOU
My favorite movie of all time. Today's Amerrikka is The Grapes of Wrath to the power of 10.
Dear Senator Obama,
The characterization of Sen. Clinton as a monster by your former adviser is an insult to monsters everywhere. Through the centuries we monsters have carefully cultivated such political identities as Godzilla or King Kong. No self respecting monster can demonstrate the art of triangulation, denial and memory blackout and still hide in a closet.
Had the talents of desperate rationalization(1), calculated denial(2) and so useful triangulation(3) been demonstrated by the monsters of our dreams we would be at war all over the globe.
A straight up monster would never obscure cluster bombing civilians(4) with a discreet vote.
Yours truly,
Monsters by adjective.
notes:
1 war vote
2 Kyle Lieberman
3 see NAFTAgate
4 Amendment 4882
The Prunes of....well you get the idea.
Well, who does he shoot?
the prunes of financial baloons?
Acting Patriotic @ 15:
It puts it all together. It becomes clear why there is a muddling of the truth behind Canada's intrusion into the primary season news cycles regarding NAFTA). It becomes clear why there is such a concerted effort by establishment figure-heads such as McCain and Clinton, to paint HOPE as a ludicrous proposition for political movement while insisting that only they meet a "Commander in Chief threshold" (whatever the hell that is!) and are the only candidates of the three qualified to lead in these days of "terror."
Such a fundamental human trait and conscientiously and pleasantly experienced human desire as HOPE painted as "stupid" by our political "leaders" should make you worry.
They (watch the videos, all of them) were not able to see the power of the net to enable that sharing, that conscious experience of interacting, albeit with words, but nonetheless capable of fostering the the cognition that there is a "sameness" about us. But they are trying to cut that off too! I hope Obama can stay safe and we can demand the same! I worry for my grandchildren.
#85
I motion that second:
BE AFRAID - BE VERY AFRAID
Not of al qaeda, but of the religious right - and that includes McCain, Gingrich, Lieberman, and the rest of the usual suspects
Sometimes when I'm really down about the situation that Progressives find themselves in - say after the 2004 relection of Bush - I reread great words from great men (and women). The Grapes of Wrath is a source of such words/inspiration. To the professor referenced upthread who thought it only popular because it portrayed the plight of white people: you're a fucking idiot. I can remember back in the late 60s in rural Wisconsin when they tried to ban Grapes of Wrath from my school library. Too "anti-business," "socialist" etc.
Read the first two pages of chapter 14. No characters, just a discussion of the moment when the downtrodden in society quit viewing themselves as "I" and start to demand equal justice as a collective "we". How that defining moment terrifies the wealthy owners, and causes those in power to do whatever it takes to squash such reforms. Powerful stuff. As true of fascists and dictators in the 1930s as it is of the wealthy Republicans and corporations today. I'll end my little rant with an excerpt:
"For man, unlike any other thing organic or inorganic in the universe, grows beyond his work, walks up the stairs of his concepts, emerges ahead of his accomplishments. This you may say of man—when theories change and crash, when schools, philosophies, when narrow dark alleys of thought, national, religious, economic, grow and disintegrate, man reaches, stumbles forward, painfully, mistakenly sometimes. Having stepped forward, he may slip back, but only half a step, never the full step back. This you may say and know it and know it. This you may know when the bombs plummet out of the black planes on the market place, when prisoners are stuck like pigs, when the crushed bodies drain filthily in the dust. You may know it in this way. If the step were not being taken, if the stumbling-forward ache were not alive, the bombs would not fall, the throats would not be cut. Fear the time when the bombs stop falling while the bombers live—for every bomb is proof that the spirit has not died. And fear the time when the strikes stop while the great owners live—for every little beaten strike is proof that the step is being taken. And this you can know—fear the time when Manself will not suffer and die for a concept, for this one quality is the foundation of Manself, and this one quality is man, distinctive in the universe."
"The who do we shoot?"
You want a list?
<s?How To Make A Slave Labor Nation:
1.
Take away their free time.If both mother and father are holding down jobs to just barely make the rent and keep their children fed then neither of them will have any time to get involved in politics, protest or anything else that could change the status quo. Take away worker protections. Keep everyone working at 50-60 hours just to keep a roof over their heads and they will never have time to do anything else.
2.
Take away their education.Keep them ignorant of what has happenned and what could happen. Decrease the quality of public schooling. Decrease the availibility of college to all by increasing it;s cost and decreasing the time available to attend.
3.
Take away their health.An unhealthy populace is a populace without excess energy. Energy that could be used in political activism. Take away or significantly decrease consumer protections for drug and food quality. Make health care unaffordable and let preventative health care be an impractical dream. Promote quick and cheap fatty foods and promote unhealthy obesity. A fat and sickened popolace will work for more food but will have little energy to do anything else.
4.
Take away their information.Consolidate all major media channels into just a handful of sources that are controlled by the ruling class. Take away truly investigative reporting from television, radio and newspapers. Make the populace distrust all their news sources. increase the price of books and consolidate book publishers into just a few corporations - the same ones that control the other media. If a major arms supplier like G.E. owns a major media channel (like NBC) , exactly how much anti-war investigative journalism will occur?
5.
Divide and conquer. Keep them in fear.Blacks against Whites. Whites against Mexican immigrants. Blue states against red states. Crips against Hoods. Hillary against Obama. Iraq is out to get you. Tomorrow it could be Iran. terrorists are everywhere. Ralley against foriegners and immigration while all the time making sure that more and more low cost workers flood the market and to compete with the populace. Low cost labor plus a diversion from the real crux of the problem - double bonus. If you don't trust your neighbor than you will be less likely to stand together with him.
It's a simple formula and I'm sure there are other parts to it. It seems to work well in Mexico, in Central America and in China. It certainly worked well in Stalanist Russia. The only question is will it continue to work well in America ? How far will American's let ot go?
You don't have to be a Weatherman ...
Techn0girl,
Well said. I think I love you (politically speaking, anyway).
nsr @ 105:
Call it what you will, the die is pretty much cast.
And your basis for this opinion is what?
The primaries, which Obama has substantially won — he even won the Texas delegate count race, which matters more than the popular vote (there).
That’s OK — she’ll make a good VP, and we need BOTH halves of the party. Good thing, because the DLC isn’t going away, but they aren’t in the top slots any more.
I fully expect HRC to kick and scream, and do ANYTHING to get on top of the ticket, ho-hum, but Obama and the grassroots have already pretty much played this gig:
http://www.freakingnews.com/Ob.....-44889.asp
None of this answered my question. In what way is "the die pretty much cast"? Do you have anything like "Obama's staffers considering HRC on the ticket", or vice versa, or perhaps "voters demand split ticket", or anything at all?
Busholini has, once again, said "FUCK YOU" to the world by vetoeing the anti-torture bill.
He is, without a doubt, the Worst Person in the World.
And I wouldn't count HRC's latest babbling for much.
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