Bill O'Reilly vs. Godwin's Law
By SilentPatriot Monday Mar 10, 2008 1:40pmThis video ought to be placed in a museum somewhere so we can marvel at it 20 years from now.
And this is what should be inscribed on the plaque beside it:
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FOOOOIIIIST!
Hasn't BillO gone and died yet.
Since Bill was interested in the stories from veterans...
Iraq Veterans are marching 25 miles to Valley Forge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wh4XGmfJo4
I've been comparing Billo to Father Coughlin for some time now.
I'm glad to see I'm not alone.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels the comparison w/ Coughlin is apt. That was the first person who came to mind the first time I saw BillO.
I want a punching bag with BOR's face on it....
"You Nazis took me out of context!"
~Bill-O
"Now am I over stating this?".
Sweet. Mother. of God.
Sig Reil-ly!!!!
rolflol....
what is a nazi?
Liberal Law: Blame the rich and successful from the start of the argument.
Reich-wing law: Blame everyone.
BillO caught on at some point that opponents of the bush administration compared it to the Nazi regime. He was therefore compelled to turn the argument 180 degrees.
Does it work?
On his dumbed down viewers it probably does.
And like his predecessor Göbels, he repeats his lies untill he himself believes them.
What a Nazi!
chris @ 12:
fish!
Hey we wouldn't have anything to do if it is wasn't for Billo.
Political internet would die off and what would we do?
Bill thoroughly endorses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llqM94-bYvg
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 6:
How about some toilet paper instead?
http://www.jeremyinc.com/George_bush_osama_bin_laden_toilet_paper.html
this is by far the best clip of O'LIElly ever!
chris @ 12:
Rich and successful? As in earned wealth or unearned wealth?
Which one you talking bout?
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
i'd like to find out.
soon.
That actually put a smile on my face. No small feat today.
#6 - I think you're on to something with the punching bag idea. You should market that.
For those of you unfamiliar with Mike Godwin and Usenet,
which is where Godwin's Law was born -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Billo gives us life! Meaning! Purpose!
I have no time for this ego maniac.
Bilbo's favorite board game = Yatze
Beautiful job of editing. I can even forgive them for using O Fortuna which is far too beautiful a piece of music to be sullied with Bill-O's mug.
A living (if you call that living), breathing, definition of nincompoop.
An ego as big as all outdoors.
I am not sure what the point of this clip is...Nazi methods and tactics have made a huge comeback in the USA from secret renditions to Gitmo to Infra Guard, the elimination of Posse Comintatus and haebus corpus, the Milirary Commissions Act and so so much more.
The apparatus has been put in place to implement a total dictatorship anytime any administration wants to. It will be most likely a Dem to do it for the same reason only a Rep could open relations with China, the opposition will be mute.
BillO uses the nazi term as form of positioning, desensitizing and framing...NeoCons love to be the pot calling the kettle black because it saps time and energy to refute it. In time, Americans will beg the state to get rid of the constituition just to get the process over with because they will come to see it as inevitable, NeoCons are relentless that way. They just exhaust most Dems.
That actually put a smile on my face. No small feat today.
#6 - I think you’re on to something with the punching bag idea. You should market that.
Hmmm....maybe I will...he'd probably sue the shit outta me though.
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
Whats the difference......
I just wince anymore to that fool.
@ 27.
Falaffel Guy's favorite dog owned by a minority-hating, dead, baseball owner - Schottzie!!
The left doesn't want to have unjustified wars....yeah, how "Nazi-like".
I noticed that Mr. Ayn Coulter appeared to have a little orgasm when she heard the word Nazi.
Even the pitiful Dennis Miller looked a bit uncomfortable with his comments.
Nazi, schmatzi....This MoFo went off the deep end a long time ago. That clip was nearly unendurable!!!
chris @ 33:
Unearned wealth is when Executives put 40% of their companies revenues into their own pockets and parachutes then stop caring about the companies long term growth and don't give a shit if it goes under because they are "set up".
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 6:
It may be available at FOX's web store!
Big John....
It will be most likely a Dem to do it for the same reason only a Rep could open relations with China, the opposition will be mute. *What?*
BillO uses the nazi term as form of positioning, desensitizing and framing…NeoCons love to be the pot calling the kettle black because it saps time and energy to refute it. In time, Americans will beg the state to get rid of the constituition just to get the process over with because they will come to see it as inevitable, NeoCons are relentless that way. They just exhaust most Dems.
I don't think Americans are gonna be beggin to get rid of the Constitution, EVER.
The neo-con movement is finished. They may be hiding in bunkers for awhile. But their power is waning. They went and Nazi'd themselves right into a corner.
Godwin's Law can be invoked too often. As Godwin himself pointed out, the problem is that at times, a Nazi analogy is legitmate and accurate. Godwin's Law is very useful, though, for cutting down on reckless name-calling. (The video was nicely edited, BTW.)
"39 L.A. Confidential"
Don't confuse him with facts LA.
Hey Billo -- it takes one to know one!
The republicans defend themselves by blaming the powerless. Don't you think there should be some degree of correlation between power and responsibility?
[Deleted. Please don't do the violence thing here. Thanks-Sitemonitor]
Labeling Bill O'Reilly a journalist is like labeling a Bowery Street wino a wine connosoieur.
41 liberalHUSSEINmoderation...we'll see...
We lost the Constitution at the 2000 election, most its provisions have been administratively disabled...I sure don't see 100,000 on the Mall protesting to get it back. The Court will not help you and The Prez won't and the Senate and Congress are helpless...so what more do you want.
Did anyone happen to notice Jesus O'Reilly last night, blabbing about people with power like E. Spitzer, having such hubris and arrogance to risk their careers by doing something so risky?
One wonders if he was dreaming of pleasuring himself with a dildo while harrassing a woman over the phone.
LOL. am i overstating this? gotta love the confused stare of dennis miller..
Liberal Law: Blame the rich and successful from the start of the argument.
Chris' Law: Be as obtuse and simplistic as possible at the start of the argument.
My Law: Chris will cease and desist from talking exclusively out of his backside.
L.A. Confidential @ 39:
Way to hit me with the facts.......
Bill O'Reilly is a NUTZI!!!
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 51:
Correction: Be as obtuse, simplistic, and completely off-topic as possible at the start of an "argument" [sic].
chris @ 12:
Dunno about anyone else, but just about all my personal problems are the fault of rich people.
prunes @ 55:
I had a flat last weekend. It was the Clinton's fault and all their money.
Are these nazis the same nazis who wants to "...break down the white, Christian, male power structure... ...and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have."??
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/31/preserving-the-white-christian-male-...
Yeah typical nazis to threaten the white Christian male power structure.
Remember when Hitler advocated breaking the "white German power structure" and brought in all those foreign nationals to Germany? Remember when Hitler saved all those millions of non-Germans to keep Germany a big happy multicultural society?
Big John @ 48....I'm not gonna argue that...but I think that soon there WILL be 100,000 at LEAST, marching on DC if things don't start goin the peoples way...they work for US. Which is something they need to be reminded of.
Dr Hussein Matt. @ 54...
LOL!!! Thanks for correcting me. How COULD I have left that one out!?
Was Father Coughlin phlegmatic?
Prunes @ 55
Dunno about anyone else, but just about all my personal problems are the fault of rich people.
Hehehe, good one, don't forget about the religious right!
Chris:
Are you as resoundingly stupid as you appear to be in your specious, silly, often incoherent posts?
Good grief.
Bill O Reilly vs Reality
It has a well known liberal Bias you know
When are people going to start accusing the Clinton campaign of being behind the Holacaust?
Sorry, Holocost.
ysbaddaden @ 64:
Huh? Are you attempting to state they were NOT behind it? Don't be so obtuse.
chris @ 12:
Liberal Law: Blame the rich and successful from the start of the argument.
Like the Hollywood set the reichwing rags on?
Who was responsible for the Hulacaust?
I haven't been able to find a Hula-Hoop in ages.
Bill O'Reilly's favorite family game....wait for it...
Yahtzee
I thought reich-wingers painted liberals as limo-passenger elitists? Perhaps that was last week. Are we hippies this week?
The Holycost is when they start passing around the collection plate.
ysbaddadden @ 68
I believe that would be Atari...
George Soros is a self-sustaining organic pot farmer?
It's the standard Bill O'Reilly M.O.: start another controversy with a successful website, and try to marginalize it. If Bill O'Reilly, who I read stuck a vibrator up his ass while on the phone with Andrea Mackis, actually believes his accusation, then it means he is a blatant fool who doesn't understand the risks of public commenting. But he has to, otherwise that shows a willful ignorance of his own message board. So, he is basically trying to discredit The Huffington Post, and I think that Arianna should just bitch-slap Bill O'Reilly over his attempts, and up the criticism. This is red herring, and he knows it.
"If you wish death on your political opponents; your are copying the Nazi blueprint. Billo makes a good point on that issue"
_ umo
ysbaddaden @ 60:
He did spit a lot of invective.
D.G. Bowman @ 62:
Jealousy will not help your cause my friend, start taking responsibility for yourself.
chris @ 77:
And Chrissy answers D.G. Bowman's question with an unequivocal positive response, congrats.
Nazi, nazi, nazi....blah blah blah, no, Bill, it's not the left or the KKK or any of that shit... It's you, it's you, it's you...Bill... YOU are the nazi.. Or maybe the fascist... Either way, you suck you propaganda spouting pig! Why don't you just die! And yea; EVERYTHING out of your piehole is an overstatement... be it against the left or for the right... A clip to marvel at in 20 years? Ummm more like maybe a clip to spit at in 20.... Generations yet unborn will look at this shit someday and wonder who the hell let this crazy yahoo out of the attic... And the answer to that will be.....The rigthwing assholes who stole the nation and trashed it.....JD
I think you can safely say that billo is a right wing nutzi. As Buggs would say what a maroon.
It's what they do. Call someone else the coward!! Label Kerry as the war coward.
This propaganda network is FILLED with Nazi's. This pig, bor, is the biggest Nazi of them all.
They take the term that fits them or theirs and use it as a weapon to make the word meaningless.
Father Coughlin was Canadian born and educated.
Then he went off the deep end and caught the
attention of the America radio audience.
Mark Steyn and David Frum are also Canadian by
birth. They too captured the American audience.
It seems the nutbars and loopy ones attract
the American public's attention.
Certainly not our (Canada's) loss.
Dr. Hussien Matt @ 56:
Must be nice to have no real problems.
and by the way, Clinton's shitty economic policies did cost me money, directly.
And then Bush made things much much worse. Interest rates on student loans doubled. His shitty budget made cuts that afffected a former employment and STILL gave us the biggest debt in history.
You can try to tell me these rich retards' decisions don't really affect me, but you'll be talking out of your ass. What the motivation to do so is, I can't imagine.
ysbaddaden Says: When are people going to start accusing the Clinton campaign of being behind the Holacaust?
Yom Kippur?
jack damage @ 79:
On the next Factor, O'Reilly compares John Amato to Himmler because C&L threatens to kill him.
It stands out in my recollection that O’reilly does provoke and uses free speech treachery to aid and assist violence. Skills developed that appeal to a management style at Fox. Reflecting a corrosion of culture that diminishes and real simple fiber of honest faith is a major flaw. Even the Nazi was supported by the Church during its period. One might conclude in todays, the right, is worse, now, our Government supported by television Evangelist. Always referring to the hate, divisiveness, wars, and Kingdoms to submit to in the bible.
Being provocative, spiking with arrogant tones, that inflame the senses, and fuel hate to the extent of possibly gaining results of physical action, is all what O’reilly is about. The perfect measure of intellectual belligerence, leverage by selective debates with persons complicit or engaged for a price.
The dialog and form of discussion O’Reilly offer is the excellence of the bumbling idiot Limbaugh or Hannity that is in the middle of both. The Trifecta game of Mainstream Media Journalist pounding out to induce bleeding contextual slander smear, all bludgeoning verbal tyranny twenty four seven positioned by executives absorbed in greed offering lucrative salaries and bonuses. All to move the public and hopefully, the public will chase them all down the street into the gutter where they belong.
This afternoon Limbaugh, on hate radio exdclaimed that those of the left should have their heads choped off. All that encourages me to do something similar to those of the right.
Actually right win law states "It's Wrong Unless I Do It".
That has been pretty consistent the last 30 years and now especially under Mr. If I do it, it's not illegal.
84 Liberal AND Proud Says: ysbaddaden Says: When are people going to start accusing the Clinton campaign of being behind the Holacaust?
Yom Kippur?
I like mine fried with pickled onions.
77 chris Says: D.G. Bowman @ 62:
Chris:
Are you as resoundingly stupid as you appear to be in your specious, silly, often incoherent posts?
Good grief.
Jealousy will not help your cause my friend, start taking responsibility for yourself.
Sounds rather onanistic of you.
Galmud@85;
Now that's funny.... Since I was merely quoting one of Billo's own statements from the clip.... Sounds like a pot/kettle thing to me... Wonder if Billo would let John Amato and C&L slide if I added... 'by natural causes of course'.......which is more humane than I suspect he was wishing for Arianna Huffintgon or whomever he was bitching about.....jus wonderin...JD
Galmud@85;
Paraphrasing, paraphraising it is.. not quoting perse... But you probably already knew that..................JD
27 NishNish Says:
"Bilbo’s favorite board game = Yatze"
LOL
His favorite character on Happy Days = Pazi
I would have finished listening if two things were changed. No music please.
And you can leave off O'Reilly's face and voice too.
Tell the fricking jackass that there is NO SUCH THING as a left wing Nazi or KKK member.
ALL KILLER ORGANIZATIONS ARE FULL OF KILLERS AND BY DEFINITION THAT MEANS RIGHT WING... AUTHORITARIAN JACKASSES.
Bill O'Reilly is a Nazi apologist and everyone knows it. He is also a pig.
Wow...O Fortuna...again. It's either that or Barber's Adagio for Strings every time.
When confronted by this evidence, Billy is just as likely to deny it as to admit it and amplify from there. Flip a coin. He doesn't care what the truth is, just that his patter continues and Murdoch's paychecks keep rolling in.
I will be skipping over all Bill'O posts here.
He is as irrelevant as Paris H and Anne C.
Stop consuming his filth.
I also did a Flash movie that documented much of O'Reilly's rhetorical vomit:
BILL O'REILLY: PROPAGANDA PIMP
Chris, dude, that Ayn Rand bullshit does not fly with us. Please, stop trolling. Your the kind of atheist that is dooming the world. And if you believe in God and Jesus, well I think you need to read the bible a little more closely you fucking hack. By the way, I have more talent in my left pinky then you could accumulate in 65 years of studying the arts.
PS, please band Chris' IP address, he brings nothing to the argument but the same old "poor people are poor because it's their fault" Oh and by the way, in case you haven't realized, the Liberal cause is winning. People don't buy into "but they want to double taxes on the middle class!" bullshit anymore. Your policies have failed, your leaders are complete and utter failures, and my guess is your either a nancy boy who's had everything handed to him his entire life, and probably lost more of daddies money then we can even fathom, or your just that far gone to the dark side. Look up the word sociopath Chris... Your a sad, sad human being...
Oh and your lucky Liberal blogs believe in free speech, unlike the many conservative blogs that won't let you even post before passing a litmus test, but I've had enough of your crap. All you can ever muster is that we just want to screw rich people. One visit to Freepers or the other like a week is enough to get my dose of disgust, I don't need to accidentally read it here. Now go blow yourself again Mr. I'm So Successful Because I Look Down On Everyone Whos Not As Strong As Me. Read a god damn book for a change, and gain a fucking soul, because you have none. Better yet, go see There Will Be Blood.
"God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in their shoes"
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 32:
How about having an 8x11 pocket with a transparent front in the punching zone, and pictures to put inside it? Then it's not you that can be sued, it's the users' choice. Also can punch the rest of the bunch out. Pictures could be delivered via printable web pages?
he He He HAA !
thanx
Ah yes, Chuck Coughlin's Falafel Gestapo!
Go loofa
go loofa
go go
go Loofa
first of all - it is clear to me that NONE of you have ever watched the oreilly factor before. if you did, you would know that there are reasonable points he makes behind his nazi comparisons... calling for tony snow and dick cheney to DIE because they are evil,war mongering oppressors who hate black people and want to suck the life out of the "poor" - is the same type of rhetoric the naizs used to propogate hatred towards the jews. does this mean the far left loons are going to start slaughtering conservatives - no... so if you take bill literally - yeah hes crazy. if you actually watched his show - instead of the 2 second clips from Countdown or the Daily Show... you would laugh at this bullshit as i do..
BTW Jake - boy for an undrstanding, open minded bleeding liberal like yourself - you really seem to have a hatred towards anyone who disagrees with your view on life. if you want the sociaist econoic model of europe - move there. there is a reason why all the "tired hungry and poor" come to america - because our system is so unfair.
Through in the number of times Bill compared someone to Goebbels, and you'd triple the length of this video.
You started off with a false definition. Godwin's law only applies to the internet, and the way it was formulated it applied only to usenet.
Godwin's Law: As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
Very good and apt.. "Am I overstating this?" ... lol
Can anyone tell me what the music in the background was..
Why does Bill O keep saying the Nazis were "left-wing". They were not. They were right-wing. They were the ideological opposites of the Communists, who were the real "left wing". Sure, the Nazis were "national socialists," but they only socialized the workforce in order for them to better exploit it for military (i.e., nationalist) purposes. As hyper nationalists, they represented a very conservative, authoritarian, and thus right-wing movement.
Gozdeck @ 104:
I don't think you actually know what you are talking about... Billy boy has a serious attitude problem and is not needed as an example. I suggest you tighten up your principles and slap yourself into intellectual shape to see Bill as the fox's psycho whore that he is. No ad-hominem attack intended really, but that is what he is!
Now attacking Jake, well that's easy because Jake is obviously venting here on an emotional level so his arguments are skewed and also irrational... I wouldn't take much pride in "knocking him down", but it helps to listen to people's frustrations.
The fact is that corporate power is now bigger than government. That is one of the big problems. On top of that there is a series of global crises that are now affected mainly by the super blocks, the US, Canada and little viva Mexico down there, being one of them. So basically, we all influence each other more and more, between Asia, Europe and North America, the economies are so tied together and the few outstanding monopolies are taking over. There is plenty of information out there for you to educate yourself about this.
I like this video about the stuff we buy found at: http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/bloggers/jeff-hoard/
Bill helps nothing and no one but the people that pay him. Fed to you like porridge on a finger, or a falafel, whatever... you like to eat that shit? suit yourself.
Jonathan M. @ 108:
haha... I know! but that's the whole point! ... - fire at will and lie cheat and steal, rape and pillage the god given rights and considerations of others, and fend for yourself like a true cowboy. Responsibility is not required to be hack.
Tom @ 93:
It's a good video, I'm just not terribly comfortable with associating the artful work of Carl Orff with inartful Billo. The Horst Wessel song would have been better suited; Bill and that song deserve each other. However I'm sure lawsuits would have resulted from that!
"Indiana, Our Indiana, Indiana, we're all for you........." Love it when the ol' alma does good by doing well. If you skipped that link, it makes excellent fodder to fire at Bill O' wierdos. Thanks for including it!
"Gloriana, fragipana, hail to ol' I. U. ..."
#107
Wasn't the b.g. music "Carmina Burana?"
Jonathan M. @ 108:
This is exactly what i was thinking for the whole clip. Bill-o is so uneducated i am embarrassed for him.
Horst @ 113:
No it was O Fortuna by Carl Orff.
gemHusseinpei @ 111:
'Initially hated for its "degenerate Negro jazz," Carmina came to be loved by the Nazi propagandists for what they heard to be a celebration of good ol’ German Aryan Volk.
And like any political party worth its salt, the Nazis warmed to Orff as their public did.
Carmina Burana became the backbeat to Hitler’s rise to power, the soundtrack before Wagner’s acculturation by The Third Reich — as much an election year campaign song as "Happy Days Are Here Again" or this year’s yet-to-be-known, musically-pirated appeal to the young, apathetic, unregistered voter.'
http://www.portlandphoenix.com/music/other_stories/documents/03684458.asp
BRILLIANT!
Bill says, "Am I overstating this?"—to Dennis Miller no less. Has Bill O ever not overstated anything? It is interesting that he ask the question to the one person, of all the people in the clip, who is least able to judge the appropriateness of any political statement.
Even when Bill O tries to be complementary he goes too far. Please recall his saying Sylvia's Restaurant in Harlem was just like any other restaurant in New York. If he had stopped there everything would have been fine. But NO he just had to keep yapping. Eventually, even when trying to be complementary, he just had to turn racist.
Why should his calling everyone to the left of Atilla the Hun a Nazi be any different?
Johnm@108:
Why does Bill O keep saying the Nazis were “left-wing”. They were not.
This is exactly what i was thinking for the whole clip. Bill-o is so uneducated i am embarrassed for him.
ahh - and yet another brilliant intellectual showing his true ignorance on the subject in which he feels so confident. bill's education:
Marist College (honor's student)
Junior year - Queen Mary College @ Univ. of London
1971 - BA in History
Master's Degree - Broadcast Journaism @ Boston University
Master of Public Administration @ Harvard
"Bill-o is so uneducated i am embarrassed for him."
based on the validity of your response, im sure your educational background can top his... the only person who should be embarassed is you my friend...
Jeff O @ 115:
Sorry but Carl Orff composed Carmina Burana. "O Fortuna" is one of the songs in Carmina Burana.
Jeff O @ 115:
Sorry but Carl Orff composed Carmina Burana. "O Fortuna" is one of the songs in Carmina Burana.
Gozdeck @ 119
Wow, ya a member of the BOR falafel boy fan club or what?
if in fact he does have all those degrees...then why does he act so damn ignorant of facts....A BA in history? He must not have read about history on THIS planet. because he's so wrong about history, ALL THE TIME!
Gozdeck @ 105:
Gozdek, Your comments here are lies worthy of Bill O.
I have watched Oreilly's show, numerous times.
The "reasonable point" he makes in regard to this issue is simply, Anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi.
The people he accuses of "calling for tony snow and dick cheney to DIE" have never made any such statement. He is lying. As you know, since you are posting here, liberal-leaning blogs allow anyone to have their opinions, even right-wing trolls. I regularly read blogs from all reaches of the political spectrum and I assure you that calls for death towards political opponents is vastly more common on right-wing sites, by more than an order of magnitude. These sites usually also immediately censor opposing viewpoints.
Oreilly's activities are straight from the Goebbels' playbook; the Big Lie, demonizing opponents, repetitive lying, histrionics.
Historically, it has been conservative loons who "slaughter" people in the U.S.
(Altarboy/Eagle Scout/Marine Charles Whitman, Republican campaign spy Ted Bundy, Christian Identity followers Tim McVeigh, R.J.Matthews, Chevie Kehoe & Buford O.FurrowJr., etc.)
Oreilly is not "crazy". He is a clever & successful propagandist. He knows & appeals to the basest instincts of his audience.
One doesn't deal with offensive B.S. by laughing at the B.S. You challenge it.
jaycubed@124:
i should skewer you for calling me a liar when i simply voiced a difference of oppinion, but since you actually have something reasonably intelligent to say, ill spare you. (for the most part)
The “reasonable point” he makes in regard to this issue is simply, Anyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi"
again - i call bullshit. as you must know (from watching the show so much), people disagree with him on nearly every segment he does. i won't go through the list of regulars, but nearly every bit has Bill, a conservative that agrees with him, and a liberal providing an opposing viewpoint. does he call them nazi's when they disagree? since you have watched the show you are aware - he absolutely does not - and almost always gives credit when the opposition raises a valid point.
tony snow and cheney - yes in fact they DID say the wished he would die and they wished cheney got blow in when he was in afghanistan. did the people on the board of the daily kos or whatever site it was actually write that? no. it was some far left idiots who made those comment.
ill actually agree with you here... there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum that make hateful comments towards people of the other side. you say the right is worse - bill says the left is worse... i don't read blogs because 98% of the comments come from retards that confidenly spew stupidity and ignorance and i learn nothing. so i don't know whos worse: the right or the left. all i know is that there is no place for hateful comments from either side, and as im sure you know from watching the show again - bill criticizes the idiots on the right as well... does he do it as often? no. but he thinks the left is much worse so obviously he doesn't cover the loons from both sides equally...
i won't even talk about your slaughter comment - you clearly took that out of context. but i call BS when i see it - coming from bill or anyone else... hence my comments above calling people out...
but i give you credit again for a mostly reasonable response... thank you for not being a total douche.
Gozdek,
Thank you for not being a total turd sandwich.
And you are correct in one regard Gozdek, B.O. doesn't call all of those he disagrees with Nazis: he also calls them stupid, fools & traitors, telling some to shut up or shutting off their mics.
It is rare for B.O. to actually have a liberal voice on his show. He generally has "stump" liberals, those who allow themselves to be stumped by him. Like everything else, if you don't play Bill's game he takes the ball & sends you home.
Bill O. has repeatedly claimed that Arianna Huffington and Markos Moulitsas have "called for tony snow and dick cheney to DIE”. This is a lie.
jaycubed@127
"It is rare for B.O. to actually have a liberal voice on his show. He generally has “stump” liberals, those who allow themselves to be stumped by him"
interesting perspective. he has liberals on his program expressing different points of view (you acknowledge this point). but when they loose an argument - they are now called "stump" liberals who "allowed" themselves to be stumped right?
so what's your explanation for when he LOOSES an argument? as he does in the famous interview with Chris Dodd for example... (yes i know when he looses too)
did the producers of the show get together and decide bill needed to take a hit - so they let Dodd slip through the cracks of his usual "stump" liberals?
lol... dare i call bullshit yet again?
as far as bill's "game" is concerned... here are the rules you must play by
1. if he asks you a simple yes or no question - answer yes, or no.
2. if he asks you a direct question - don't try changing the subject, just answer the fucking question
3. if you try spinning yourself out of answering his question - he will call you out on your bullshit, and will harp on you until you give him an answer.
4. if you are a member of NAMBLA, the ACLU, the New Black Panthers party, or the like - he will call you a liar, tell you to shut up, or cut your mic. and good for him. you don't deserve the airtime to explain yourself - you are a piece of shit who deserves to be publically humiliated.
does he make mistakes? of course he does. does he sometimes loose his temper unnecessarily? of course he does. but FOR THE MOST PART hes got a far better grasp on reality then the rest of the kieth olbermann's out there... and he asks tough questions to people in power - and does not let them off the hook until you answer the questions the american people want answered. i know in your ideal politically correct world, nobody would be "mean" to anyone else, but ya know what? sometimes you have to be an asshole to get to the bottom of the issue.
and thank god he is willing to do it...
jcubed@127
btw - i completely retract my statement about you not being a total douche
Gozdek,
Bill O. always "LOOSES"(sic) arguments. He asks leading & loaded questions that he insists only have yes or no answers. This is a classical straw man technique. When a guest shows him up they are not invited back. His producers can't always predict how guests will respond; and with Bill's raging id, he believes he is always smarter and will win any argument.
The man is a lying buffoon and a whining bully.
Media matters has a long list of his lies, with evidence showing his lack of regard for the truth. I doubt you are interested though, since this comes from the "reality based community".
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/bill_o_reilly?f=h_hot
And your presumptions about the readers of this blog shows your head can see only what Bill O. sees, the inside of Bills rectum. The same one he regularly pulls his statistics and proofs out of.
You do not "have to be an asshole to get to the bottom of the issue." You get to the bottom of an issue by digging and sifting data, then testing your ideas against the real world.
Everyone has an asshole: not everyone is an asshole. Only an asshole has to be an asshole.
Bill O. is a well documented failure in that regard, as are the rest of his neo-con buddies.
In fact, I would say the evidence favors Bill O' and friends to be traitors who:
Have conspired to destroy the American economy out of spite that the Dems balanced the budget under Clinton;
Have conspired to destroy the Constitution by their contempt for principles such as Habeas Corpus & Separation of Powers;
Have conspired to destroy America's status among our neighbors/allies/opponents with their contempt for diplomacy, arrogance & pre-emptive war doctrine;
And have conspired to destroy the power of the American military with their incompetence and adventurism.
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Everybody! Sing along to the Bill & Rush song:
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I Have A Strong Opinion,
It's Black & White Not Grey,
Whatever Bill or Rush Just Said,
Well I Feel The Same Way,
OH, Ditto Ditto Ditto,
To Everything They Say,
Ditto Ditto Ditto,
Their Words I Will Obey.
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Gozdeck @ 129:
I must also retract my statement that you are not a total turd sandwich.
Oops, that should read:
You do not “have to be an asshole to get to the bottom of the issue.” You get to the bottom of an issue by digging and sifting data, then testing your ideas against the real world.
Bill O. is a well documented failure in that regard, as are the rest of his neo-con buddies.
The way I had it above it looked like I was saying Bill O' was a failure at being an asshole.
jaycubed@130
ya know jay, i actually thought for a second that you had a reasonable perspective on things, just disagreed with my analysis of bill, etc. but after this response you have officially fallen into he "left wing loon" category.
the second you bring media matters - arguably the most extreme far left website in the world- into the argument... you loose all credibility. i took a look at the list just for the hell of it. i believe i already conceded that he makes mistakes. some of what he says may seem inflamatory... but you should know that obviously - a website that RADICALLY opposes the right - is not going to play the entire segment when it doesn't support the perspective they are trying to portray...
one example to highlight what my point: his trip to harlem with al sharpton. his comments such as ""There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M.F.-er, I want more iced tea." media matters took those statements, and used them to show what a HORRIBLE RACIST bill oreilly was. and the far left ATE that shit up. im sure you would agree with them. but if you dumb fucks took the time to listen to the whole story - and understood the context in which those comments were made - you would know that his trip to harlem with al raised a serious, honest, ligitimate, and intelligent discussion about racial issues in this country. in no way shape or form was bill insulting black people... in fact quite the contrary - but this vital discussion, that the country would love to hear, immediatly came to a grinding hault. because media matters blew it completely out of proportion - and instead of having open debate - calls racism and thats the end of it. even after al sharpton himself - openly admitted that bill's comments were taken out of context - and that the discussion they had was intelligent, and edcuational... did media matters clarify the story? ha! fat fucking chance.
this is just one example... bill oreilly is arguably one of the most vocal conservatives in the country - and the far left "nazis" will do anything they can to make him sound as stupid, crazy, racist, and heartless as possible. they will discredit him at any opportunity they get - regardless of how untrue or distorted the truth may be.
and this is the shit you are trying to use to build an argument? please... you have to do better than that buddy.
your other comments about sticking my head up his ass and all this bullshit - you just make yourself sound stupid man. say something intelligent that counters my points, with substantial fact to back it up. if you can't bring that to the table - shut your fucking mouth cause your wasting my tme.
"the "evidence" favors bill and friends are "traitors" who "conspire" to destroy the american economy, destroy the constitution, destry the military" - dude your retared... let me guess, bush planned 9/11 too huh? and told all the jews to stay home from work that day right? i tell ya what, come back to planet earth - pull your head out of your ass, then come talk to me.
but until you start being realistic, look at both sides of the spectrum, cut out the radical bullshit from both sides, and then develop an intelligent opinion -
this conversation is over.
Gozdek,
Take your ball & run away...just like Bill oes.
Jaycubed@134
clever retort. way to hit me where hit hurts. im assuming you just "allowed" yourself to be "stumped" right?
Gozdek,
I thought you said, "this conversation is over."
But since you're back for more. . .
Like Bill O' you are making stuff up, a straw man built of lies.
"media matters - arguably the most extreme far left website in the world" Yes Gozdek, reality has an "extreme far left" slant. They provide documentary evidence for their statements, instead of pulling them out of their ass like you & Bile O'.
”There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M.F.-er, I want more iced tea.”
Bill O's statements regarding Sylvia's were "nod & wink" racist. His expressed view is surprise that blacks don't behave like animals.
"and instead of having open debate
From his statements it could only be about why black people aren't all screaming animals like he & his audience presumed. Instead, a debate about racism did occur . . . Bill O's racism of diminished assumptions.
"bill oreilly is arguably one of the most vocal conservatives in the country - and the far left “nazis” will do anything they can to make him sound as stupid, crazy, racist, and heartless as possible."
He needs no help from others to make himself sound "sound...stupid, crazy, racist". Nor does he need help to call others "nazis" dittohead.
"your other comments about sticking my head up his ass and all this bullshit"
Bill O' has a long history of making things up and passing them off as fact, otherwise known as pulling it out of his ass. When you parrot him one must assume you have his same limited view.
“the “evidence” favors bill and friends are “traitors” who “conspire” to destroy the american economy, destroy the constitution, destry the military” - dude your retared… let me guess, bush planned 9/11 too huh? and told all the jews to stay home from work that day right?
The evidence is the difference between the balanced budget left by Clinton, his one real accomplishment as President and the $12 Trillion and rapidly rising debt caused by the "fiscally conservative" Bush & Republicans.
The evidence is the difference between the military readiness of this country between Clinton & the present. From a military completely ready for deployment to the present 2/3rds not ready. For repeatedly violating its own rules & regulations regarding training, deployment & equipment. For its contempt for returning veterans: not just the wounded who have been sent to what was once the pride of the world's military hospitals, but many of which are now privately contracted cesspools; not just the dead who are shamefully hidden from the American people; but the active duty members & their families due to moving the goalposts for redeployment as well as the already mentioned lack of proper training & equipment.
The evidence is the politicized behavior of the Dept. of Justice, the conspiracy to out a CIA agent directed from the White House, the erosion of the legal rights of all citizens with illegal wiretaps & rejection of Habeas Corpus.
Your statement directed towards me, "dude your retared(sic)", says all we need to know about you. Not to mention your little "Jew-baiting" too.
"nod and wink" racism?
do you just make this shit up as you go along or what? can't find ligitimate racism so you have to make terms up to pretend like its there? pathetic
"Jew-baiting"?
what does that even mean? are you somehow implying that i was being racist towards jews or something?
you're completely hopeless
And you're completely ignorant Gozdek if you don't what what a nod and a wink are.
One of the most insidious forms of racism is "nod and wink" racism because it attempts to disguise itself as praise. It has become quite common among racists who cannot directly express their contempt of others. It is also known as "damning with faint praise."
The "Jew-baiting" observation is due to you repeating the lie that Jews were pre-warned about 9/11, with "a nod & a wink" about how that is crazy conspiracy talk. It is the repeating of the lie that is the "jew-baiting".
Of course that first line should read:
And you’re completely ignorant Gozdek if you don’t know what a nod and a wink are.
clearly you are far more enlightened then the rest of the world. because if you type in "nod and wink racism" in google - you will find that you are the only person thats apparently ever used that term before. if google has never heard of it before - sounds like you might be stetching a little bit for this one no?
and obviously the jews weren't warned about 9/11, but woudln't suprise me in the slightest if you actually believed they were. i guess that makes me a closet racist or a jew-hater or something... whatever you want to label me as i coudln't care less... i stopped taking you seriously about 3 postings ago...
Gozdek,
Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending?
"A nod and a wink" & "a wink and a nod" (or simply nod & wink) are expressions with quite a long history of use in the English language.
Since you appear to know how to google, try it. After all the references to Camel's album, you will find numerous usage citations. Or if you can manage advanced search try inputting "nod & wink" and excluding "camel".
"and obviously the jews weren’t warned about 9/11, but woudln’t suprise me in the slightest if you actually believed they were. i guess that makes me a closet racist or a jew-hater or something… whatever you want to label me as i coudln’t care less… i stopped taking you seriously about 3 postings ago…"(ellipses yours)
It is your constantly repeating the lie while you deny meaning it that illustrates your "nod & wink" jew-baiting. This is the standard M.O. of Bill O', constantly repeating lies while saying he doesn't really (nod) mean it (wink).
Your presumptions about me are typical of Bill O'. When I make presumptions about you, I at least present the data in your statements that make me think that.
And you are obviously lying when you say "i stopped taking you seriously about 3 postings ago" since you are still responding, albeit with fewer factual statements and more invective.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 58:
I'll have some of whatever this gentleman is drinking. Make mine a double.
What do you think that little bone in your income tax return was for? It was to lull 'vox populi' for another year.
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