Don Siegelman : "All Roads Lead To Rove"
By Nicole Belle Friday Mar 14, 2008 3:00pm
Click for largerAll roads lead to Rove. That was the message scrawled as an afterthought in the lower left-hand corner of the envelope I received in yesterday’s mail. It contained a letter from an old and dear friend of mine. His name is Don Siegelman. He is the former governor of Alabama and he is being held as a political prisoner of the Bush administration in a Federal prison in Louisiana.
They don’t allow Don the luxury of stationary so he must write his letters on whatever he can find. He wrote me on a xeroxed article he wanted me to see. [..]
When I first heard of Don being prosecuted for corruption my heart sank. I didn’t know what to think. It had been years since we’d spoken and the press made it sound awful for Don (what else?). Of course I had no idea what was really going on. Now that I do I am horrified...and furious.
Don is a formidable force in Alabama politics. His friends are loyal and his supporters enthusiastic. They re-elected him Governor in the midst of a bogus corruption trial engineered by the Bush Justice Department at the behest of Karl Rove who takes orders from you-know-who. Don campaigned for re-election throughout the early phases of the trial. On election night he was declared the winner, but Karl Rove’s minions stole the election overnight by manipulating the ballots in Baldwin County. It was classic Rovian/Republican election theft. They did it with computers and electronic voting machines. Don went to bed the re-elected Governor of Alabama, and woke up an unemployed defendant. [..]
Something that has not been reported is that they have been physically beating Don. I don’t know the extent of his injuries or exactly how many times it has happened – but it has been multiple times.
There are no words for the fury I feel. This is an outrage. And it is the most un-American thing I have ever heard. I cry bitter tears of frustration and rage.
Please everyone. We have to help Don, and we have to crush these thugs and put them out of the business of perverting our democracy. We must investigate and prosecute the responsible parties, not for political reasons, but to actually serve the interest of justice. The cause of justice calls upon us to hold these criminals accountable. We must bring them to justice and stop such travesties from ever again happening in our United States of America.
A new review of evidence suggests that an aligned group of Republican interests were pressing for -- and seeking to profit financially from -- the trial of former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman on charges of bribery, according to Sam Stein of HuffPo.
Please contact Rep. John Conyers and Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairmen of their respective Judiciary committees and ask them to appoint an Independent Investigator. You can also donate to Siegelman's Defense Fund.
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Hershey road too?
"If you can't do the time; don't do the crime" _ Barreta
The perverse nature of Chimpy and Co has reached their zenith ................
Were this a BJ in the Oval Office, it would be impeachable, but politically motivated prosecution and false imprisonment is just Tixis (sic) good ole boy politics.
THIS
IS
NOT
AMERICA
and yet it is...
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abob @ 2:
"If you didn't do the crime , you shouldn't be doing any time" _MCMetal
"abob drinks his own piss "_abob
I'm sure the next thing I will read is that he is being waterboarded, You all need to come to your senses. I love the fact that Rove is able to screw with your minds and pull your strings whenever he wishes. Don is as innocent as Spitzer.
Karl Rove Claims Siegelman Got Off Easy
should be: stationery....not stationary
[Enough. You haven't posted here in months and you swagger in, make 5-6 posts and 2 of them are extremely abusive to other posters. Stop it-Sitemonitor]
7 Troll
Sorry troll, I was addressing another troll
With postage due.
Wouldn't it be nice to have an administration in Washington that was embarrassed when they were exposed taking political prisoners.
Troll @ 7:
This "judgement" rendered by one of the most moronic creatures ever crapped out on the planet ; part of the retarded Chimpy Adoration Brigade , which has a whopping 19% membership roster.........
Thanks for your 2 wooden cents ...........
Who cares about this, we need to focus on Obama's former minister and his middle name.
Yes, it's an outrage.
The American penal/legal system is an outrage.
The War on Drugs is an outrage.
These Rethuglicans should be prosecuted under RICO statutes.
...
Do it...
John.Conyers@mail.house.gov
and
senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov
Troll,
Innocent of what? Do you even know what the charges are?
You are even more ignorant than you are stupid. By the way, your hero, Doughboy is going down. The 'executive priviledge' meme is not going to wash.
President Obama is going to see pudgy ass go to the slammer for at least five years.
Now there is a genuine criminal.
As a homosexual, Rove will enjoy his long visit. There should be lots of 'tang available there.
Something tells me he wont get out of there alive =/
Troll @ 7:
I love the fact that Bill Clinton is able to screw with your minds and pull your strings whenever he wishes.
I emailed conyers office.
Whether he is guilty or not we may never know. One thing he's guilty of of course is being a Democrat. Our good buddy TROLL probably never heard of the Permanent Republican Majority or the K street Project.
But even if he is, then why is he not allowed visitors?
What the fork?!? Isn't this the kind of thing we would expect from Communist era Russia? Same thing I thought to myself when Powell went in front of the UN, and even I could tell his evidence was bogus from just a half hour on the Internet; at least in re the aluminum tubes. ISIS had an article up within a day. We've become our own worst nightmare.
This country IS at war - unfortunately it is being fought within our own borders and we ourselves (certainly those of us in the middle class) are the targets.
We can expect this type of thing as long as the current group of republican criminals are still in office. The republican party is run by a few pretty smart evil assholes that manipulate there ignorant supporters into doing very stupid things.
It's the almost intelligent leading the idiot morons!
SKYLAB @ 21:
That's the truth.
James Ratliff @ 22:
Dang, you're reading my mind. Republicans consist of evil geniuses, and moonshine guzzlers with guns for penises. Even as we "speak," the Bush administration is inflicting as much damage as they can before their demise. There should be laws... wait there are... wait there were.
I have said it before and I'll say it again: if you support the Republican party you are UnAmerican. If you support a party that hates America and Americans in such a way that they would do everything in their power to destroy it and us how can you call yourself patriotic?
I am so sick of Republican knuckleheads saying "well, bush and cheney are bad but the Republican party is OK" - My answer is always the same "you must be so pig ignorant of what is happening in your country (not to mention your party) that you no longer deserve to call yourself an American." - I never get a good response to that one...but I really don't care.
So to your Republican lurkers out there, take a good look at yourself and try to look at your party and what they are doing...and ask yourself "if it were a Democrat that was committing these crimes against society how would I feel?
Now they are physically beating Don?
This sick bush cheney mob across the country............ All Americans have had it, republicans, democrats and independents
And now Rove is advising McCain?
Our Great and Good Nation will be Deceived No More
Bush + Cheney = 0 % CREDIBILITY
U.S. Media Propagandists + Cable + Fox News = 0% CREDIBILITY: ACCOMPLICES
Supporters of Bush and Cheney In Congress = VOTE THEM OUT: ACCOMPLICES
Bush Appointments and Endorsements = MORE OF THE SAME: CRIMINAL COVER-UP
...and we now see Carlyle Capital defaulting on $16 - 20 BILLION in mortgage-backed securities,
... im sure after profiting handsomely on the upside run.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/23580095/for/cnbc?__source=RSS*tag*&par=RSS
...And Greg Palast ( a real reporter ) has an update on Spitzer
http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/
Watch out for the crooks and their next hit.......
Runaway inflation inevitably leads to political chaos.
Numerous countries throughout the 20th century know.
NOW: Reign in all the Corrupt Coporations, Big Oil Profiteers, CEO's and Off Shore Corporate Criminals
Redo the 2001 Bush Tax Cuts ....
We now can all see the Effect - They WERE designed to Hurt Our Country
Troll @ 7:
Or as innocent at Craig and Vitter? I love the fact the American voter screwed with your minds by kicking your asses out of congress. Get ready to have your minds screwed with again this election year troll.
I wouldn't bother to write to conyers, I haven't seen ONE investigation he has started have any effect on anything. And none have come to a conclusion.
The republick party has rendered the word 'patriot' meaningless. Not even meaningless. They have made it an obscenity.
weldon @ 9:
Can I get that in writing?
History will show future generations how Karl Rove has systematically destroyed and defamed any of Geogre Bush's opponents by innuendo and deceit. And how a gullible public bought it. I hope future generations will be much smarter, if not, we are all doomed.
The so called investigations they have never get anything done. Unless of course you're a ballplayer taking steroids. Then they'll take you down hard. Hundreds of criminal acts committed by the Bush gang? Pretend to hold an investigation, grill a few flunkies hard and then slip quietly into obscurity again.
Karl Rove's political enemies blame him for every crime throughout American history. It's only a matter of time before they make a cogent case for Rove's culpability in the Lincoln assassination, the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, and murder conspiracy with Fatty Arbuckle.
We defeated the South then handed them power 100 years later?
That's our bad.
33 abob
We don't need all that, but he helped commit treason by outing Valerie Plame, but only because he betrayed his co-conspirators by cooperating with Fitzerald did he get off.
Not something I want to picture Rove getting off.
And apparently he had a hand in the firing of the United States Attorneys, when one of his proteges were put in a newly vacant spot.
Apparently from the US attorney's statements they were fired because they weren't bringing any charges up for voting fraud, because they weren't finding any. What they were finding was evidence of illegal voting caging by the GOP.
abob @ 32:
Its always all-or-nothing and full of dramatic indignation with you republicans - all marketing and no substance. No, we blame Karl Rove for things that he is guilty of. No more.
Fitzgerald.
P.D. @ 30:
Smarter? You're kidding right? The average person on the streets is totally unaware of most things in the world. They know who's winning on American Idol though. Britneys latest moves are right on the radar for them. Some missing white girl is first and foremost in their prayers.
Ask them to find their own country on a map. Ask them anything about any other country in the world. Ask them anything that the TV doesn't promote and you'll find they don't know squat. The average person is totally brainwashed by the media. Which by the way is owned and operated by a small cabal of rich, white republicans. They want the public stupid. They want to be able to create a stampede any time they like. That's what keeps the good (republicans) people in power.
Marge @ 27:
Good Point. I just don't know what else to do. We can write our local newspapers. We can blog about it. I can campaign for constitutional ethical candidates, but I don't know what will work. What do you suggest??
Do any of the candidates have positions on Siegelman? What are the chances that Hillary, or Obama, or (yes, even) McCain would do the right thing and pardon him for this miscarriage of justice?
"They" are beating him? Who is they??
Clinton won't release her earmark requests.
They certainly do lead to Rove! Thanks for following this. I'd also recommend checking on Scott Horton's blog No Comment. He was interviewed for the 60 Minutes piece, and has been following this very closely:
http://www.harpers.org/subjects/NoComment
Shouldn't a human rights organization, like Amnesty International, be involved in this? The HR record of the US has gone down the toilet with this Administration.
Dave, You are right. Sigh!
MCMetal @ 3:
The worst is yet to come. Trust me.
Karl Rove haters accused him of a long laundry list of crimes for many years. Unfortunately, we live under the US Constitution. In order to put Rove in prison you need enough credible evidence to bring a grand jury indictment, a prosecution in open court, and a guilty verdict by a jury. In the absence of any of that, Rove haters are relegated to endless meaningless accusations on the internet that have less value than an ounce of horsecrap.
Ya might as well distribute a video accusing Karl Rove of mass murder and drug trafficking in Mena, Arakansas; the murder of Vince Foster; and the rape of Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick.
I AM SO GODDAMN ANGRY.
WE MUST NEVER LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS.
Though I don't doubt it, I would like to know more about why the person who wrote the words originally thinks Siegelman has been beaten physically.
Those who would destroy the US Constitution now attempt to hide behind its protection. Hypocrite.
My guess is 98% of Americans could care less at this point. Watching the basketball game, the family barbecue, St. Patricks day party, goofing off, having fun, etc etc is what they are interest in.
This stuff wouldn't be happening otherwise.
I thought that Dan Abrams was going to report on this story every day on his show until Siegelman is released on appeal. Is Abrams following through on this?
p.s.
"Unfortunately, we live under the US Constitution..." I believe the term should be "FORTUNATELY..." Was that a Freudian slip? Kinda like when Bush said that it would be easier if we lived under a dictatorship, as long as he was the dictator.
Hey, everybody! Besides Conyers and Leahy, add Arlen Specter to the list. Yes, he's a snake and no, I don't trust him. But he still has some clout, and he sometimes seems genuinely to care about how Bushco have shredded the Constitution.
And he definitely cares about poll numbers.
abob @ 45:
Abob, Karl Rove's invovement aside, is it not true that the particulars of Siegelman's prosecution and incarceration are extraordinary and is it not also true that more than 50 former State Attorneys General have called for an investigation into this case?
This is fascism
abob @ 46:
Brought to you by one of the guys who works blogging for the government's propganda division. Try and not make your comments extactly like the talking point.
The usual groundless rhetorical trick that implies that if you believe Karl Rove has done any nasty things, you must be some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist who will believe anything. There's nothing meaningful or credible about the statement quoted above; it's just the same device as making a "tinfoil hat" crack whenever someone even hints that the power-hungry folks might combine together to defraud the people or subvert the government to their own ends.
TELL ME WHY THE RILEY FAMILY THINKS THAT THEY ARE IMMUNED TO PROSECUTION?
Many large government/military contracts and government grants have magically been steered to Alabama to make Bob Riley look good. Why?
Why hasn't he been prosecuted for receiving millions of dollars from Mississippi casinos lobbyist Jack Abramoff and Michael Scanlon?
Why has Rob Riley boldly been willing to risk his law license and prison sentences to be part of this illegal activity?
Why have U.S Attorneys been willing to risk their law licenses and prison sentences to conspire with the Rileys?
Why does Donald and Samuel Newhouse (owners of Newhouse/Advance Publications Inc. assets worth 8 billion each) only print half truths about Alabama political figures and at the same time run front page articles to calm and deceive Alabama citizens so that the biggest illegal operations in the history of Alabama can conduct illegal activities. These brothers claim to be Democrats and decedents of Jewish immigrants.
Why did Bush arrange special retirement incentives for his Secret Service agent-in-charge Christopher Murphy to become part of Riley's corrupt operation?
I never cease to be amazed at the low lifes who troll this site.
A pox on all of you haters out there. May you get to have your asses beaten and thrown to Bubba the gorilla some day when they bust you for perversion or drugs or what ever it is you little bastards do in your spare time.
Worthless.
My rage knows no bounds.
Updates on Don Siegelman's case are loudly proclaimed at NovaM Radio and at HORN radio and at Ring of Fire whenever they come.
I will make sure they get this story... then I will write to those lawmakers, and mine to boot.... AGAIN.
The PERSECUTION of Don Seigelman is an American OUTRAGE.
Under the REPUBLICANS OUR NATION HAS TURNED INTO A DICTATORSHIP THE LIKES OF THE SOVIET UNION AND IS HEADED BY CHARACTERS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE THIRD REICH... MANY OF WHOM ARE THEIR ACTUAL OFFSPRING. HOPE THAT MAKES YOU FREEPERS ALL PROUD OF YOUR DEFENSE OF THE INDEFENSIBLE.
And yes you do drink your own piss.
The Jackboot Administration.
abob @ 46:
Karl Rove haters accused him of a long laundry list of crimes for many years. Unfortunately, we live under the US Constitution. In order to put Rove in prison you need enough credible evidence to bring a grand jury indictment, a prosecution in open court, and a guilty verdict by a jury. In the absence of any of that, Rove haters are relegated to endless meaningless accusations on the internet that have less value than an ounce of horsecrap.
Ya might as well distribute a video accusing Karl Rove of mass murder and drug trafficking in Mena, Arakansas; the murder of Vince Foster; and the rape of Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick.
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right .. and just how is that possible troll when all the 'evidence' of all the crimes of your fuhrer bush and all his evil goons like rove is destroyed ? as in 5 million emails ? etc ........ go put your jackboots on creep and then stay with your own evil kind at powerline for example
7 Troll Says: I’m sure the next thing I will read is that he is being waterboarded, You all need to come to your senses. I love the fact that Rove is able to screw with your minds and pull your strings whenever he wishes. Don is as innocent as Spitzer.
Everything is fine, move along?? Is that it?? As a "dirty old hippie", I QUESTION AUTHORITY.
Don Siegelman apologists want the issue to be one way; but it aint one way. The facts of the Don Siegelman case proved his guilt by the weight of overwhelming evidence. The Feds has this guy nailed 12 ways to Sunday. The ex Alabama governor thought his power and money placed him above the law. He guessed wrong. Alabama newspapers published several articles chronicling the corruption of Governor Siegelan during his tenure. The details are readily available online to anybody willing to click a mouse. Don Siegelman is a convicted felon and justifiably so. He's not some destitute choirboy who got railroaded by the justice system while on his way to Sunday school. Siegelman was represented by the best legal team money can buy and when all the evidence was presented in open court he was convicted by a jury of his peers. Just like tens of thousands of convicted felons throughout the US, he will continue to serve his sentence pending his appeal. Siegelman is a bad guy and Alabama newspapers documented his corruption for all to see:
http://thetruthaboutdon.com/
I actually like the trolls.
When I read their gibberish, I know I'm in charge of my faculties. No doubt about it.
Ed-hussein-gay-agenda-win Hussein @ 64:
Lol. I know, interesting to see how the fringe thinks. You just gotta look though, like you just gotta look at the accident you just passed. Thing is, they actually believes what they are saying so I can't blame them for their own undoing. I blame their upbringing. Break the cycle.
mjb @ 43:
AmnestyUSA.org does mention then-Governor Seigelman in an article from 2001 on capital punishment:
I want to be clear here: what has been done to Mr. Siegelman is unconscionable, and demonstrates what happens when the weak are ruled by the evil. All the same, Kharma's a bitch..
Dan Abrams is the grandson of Norman Podhoretz, the co-founder (with Irving Kristol) of the neo-con movement. I wouldn't rely on him for anything too profound here.
Bush has run the GOP and this country into the ground. It's over for the GOP. They're f*cked.
Whether or not Siegelman was targeted by a DOJ because he was a Democrat WILL come out.
To pretend Rove does not have a method of operation that is unethical and boarders on illegal is ignorant. Rove has manipulated the press and the FBI - claiming his office was bugged by his political opponent - South Carolina Residents with a whisper campaign that McCain had a black love child and mental illness from incarceration and torture. The latter helped Bush defeat McCain in 2000. So scr*w you ignorant dolts who think no one knows what's going down here just because you don't have a clue.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 67:
Do you have a link verifying this? I know Dan Abrams is the son of Constitutional scholar Floyd Abrams, but he is no relation to Podhoretz as far as I know.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 67.
Sorry. You got your facts wrong.
Rove better hope he was careful about covering his tracks, 'cause payback is going to be a bitch.
Specifically: Prison bitch.
I believe without a doubt that the Republicans are busy working away at not only undermining our election process, but using the DOJ to go after political enemies. Spitzer is the 2nd governor in recent months, and while he certainly appears to be guilty, it does make one wonder why now, and was he deliberately targeted. You know good and well he's not the only politician out there hiring prostitutes. Just seems fishy to me. I've really lost faith in the system. And now I'm seeing the Clinton machine trying to steal the nomination from Obama, and the media going after Obama trying to make him out to be something less than American. It really disgusts me.
I hate to say it, but I think Siegelman's only hope is a pardon from Clinton or Obama. Have either of them made any public statements about this debacle? And if not, why not?
Anybody else finding that the Siegelman Defense Fund website is not attainable? Suspicious. Anyone know who is handling his defense or appeals and how to contribute?
http://blog.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel
Intelligence Expert Tom Heneghan has been reporting on the Siegelman framing conspiracy tied to Bush, Rove and Hillary Clinton for over 9 months.
July 14, 2007 …P.P.P.S. Story developing, coming soon:
Karl Rove, George W. Bushfraud, along with unelected Hillary Lesbian-Rodenhurst Clinton, now tied to the framing of former democratic Governor of Alabama Don Siegelman.
It can now be reported that Siegelman knew Terry Kent Reed (author of the famous book “COMPROMISED: Clinton, Bush and the CIA”), and that Siegelman was a noted witness and federal whistleblower from the 1980s that fingered George W. Bush, then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton and republican Alabama Judge Mark Fuller in running narcotics through Alabama with destination Mena, Arkansas.
Note: Fuller is the Alabama Judge that pronounced sentence on the former democratic Governor of Alabama, Don Siegelman.
All this ties back to America Global China, the Arkansas Development and Finance Agency and bagman Bob Nash
August 26, 2007 …And the criminal activity continues to escalate.
It can now be reported that evidence is on the Mark Foley computer tying Ralph Gonzalez, Department of Homeland Security czar Michael Chertoff, along with Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez to the frame-up and coup d'état directed against former Democratic Governor Don Siegelman.
August 31, 2007 …It can now be reported that Karl Rove resigned his position as White House political advisor to George W. Bush a day after he received a target letter regarding a possible indictment for criminal conspiracy and obstruction of justice in the Don Siegelman, Democrat of Alabama governor case.
Michael Gavin, Special FBI Agent in Charge, is the individual that is heading up the Rove inquiry along with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.
It was in March of 2007 that current Alabama U.S. Attorney Steven Feaga met with Karl Rove and had dinner at his Rosemary Beach, Florida vacation house.
Also attending the dinner was current Assistant U.S. Attorney General Craig Morford and homosexual in-the-closet Fred Thompson, former Republican Senator of Tennessee.
The dinner party dealt with the need to neutralize Siegelman since he was the focal point of a disputed election in Alabama, and had been an FBI informant on the Dixie mafia’s Clinton-Bush-Mena, Arkansas narcotics money laundering.
How dare you, you conspiratorial tyrants and kings and want to be queens.
P.S. U.S. Attorney Steven Feaga continues to pursue bogus charges against former Governor Siegelman in the Healthcare South matter.
It should now be reported that former Clinton Administration stooge Lanny Davis has been working with the Bush Administration and U.S. Attorney Feaga to frame Siegelman in order to protect the massive medicare fraud of the Bush-Clinton Crime Family.
September 2, 2007 …Ted Olson is also tied to the Rosemary Beach, Florida meeting with Karl Rove. Olson spoke on speakerphone from Washington D.C. in which a criminal conspiracy took place, i.e. the frame up and railroading of former Democratic Governor of Alabama, Don Siegelman.
It should also be noted that Olson is on the Board of Directors of the Bush-Clinton-Mena, Arkansas narcotics laundering Healthcare South.
Lanny Davis has conspired with Rove to frame Siegelman in order to protect the Bush-Clinton Crime Family interests.
September 3, 2007…Informed sources allege that the missing emails relate directly to the dinner party at Karl Rove’s Rosemary Beach, Florida vacation home in which the frame up of former Democratic Governor of Alabama Don Siegelman was the subject on the menu.
It can also be reported that informed sources allege that emails exist between Karl Rove and high level members of the Clinton Crime Family.
September 12, 2007 … Note: The former Democratic Governor of Alabama, Don Siegelman, is a former FBI whistleblower and a witness to the Bush-Clinton Crime Family narcotics-medicare pipeline tying back to Mena , Arkansas .
October 17, 2008 … Pelosi is also covering up the U.S. AttorneyGate case involving the frame-up of former Democratic Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, in which Karl Rove and former Clinton Administration official Lanny Davis orchestrated the appoint of a Bush-Clinton judge to handle Siegelman’s case.
Reference: Siegelman was a former FBI whistleblower familiar with the Bush-Clinton Dixie mafia-Mena, Arkansas-Iran/Contra arms and narcotics operation, which had extended to Alabama. MUCH MORE
http://blog.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel
I also am very concerned that he will not come out of prison alive.
This is not my country. This is a nightmare.
I will never vote for a Repub for any office ever again.
Brilliant post.
It's funny to see the standard troll bullshit--but as always, they're wildly off the mark.
It doesn't matter if Siegelman is guilty or not. It matters if he got a fair trial. That's the American way.
Our legal system guarantees that the guilty will go free because it trades on the notion that jailing the innocent is an abomination. So what if this is all framed within some sort of Dem vs Republican thing--he didn't get a fair trial. The first thing that should be dropped is your party affiliation and the first thing that should be raised is the indignation of all Americans to see someone who might be innocent get railroaded.
Troll @ 7:
How does the Golden Rule go? Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.
When Rove is finally prosecuted, and he will be 'cause he secretly wants to get caught, it will be he who is on the receiving end of the screwing and pulling other people's things in prison whenever they wish. So, he'll be right at home and everyone will be happy.
- Tom
abob @ 32:
WOW! Are you mentally retarted, or are you really that cluelessly stupid. If he wasn't so f-ing guilty, why all them executive privalige claims? Seems to me, where there's stink, there's probably a turd.
Spicegal @ 72:
It disgusts, and saddens me...but more than that it is truly making me very angry. I mean REAL DAMN ANGRY! We are on the cusp of becoming a fascist police state. It's gonna get alot worse before it gets better.
Prepare for the worst...hope for the best.
TimeForNewLeadership @ 54:
Don't ever bother trying to talk logic and facts to this troll...obviously one so brainwashed can't be brought back to reality...it's almost sad...
Dr. Hussein Matt @ 14:
HA! Someone actually brought up the lapel pin thing yesterday...I shot that tired argument down in seconds. I asked them where their lapel pins were...that shut them up pretty damn quick.
This is interesting, might come handy for me, thanks.
abob @ 46:
No problem; he proudly admits to about 3/4 of the stuff he's done, and the other 1/4, it's just blatantly obvious who did it. I mean seriously.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 67:
Stephanie Miller wants to ride him like a two-bit pony, so if she judges him to be suitably objective or even left-of-center, he's okay by me.
thanks Nicole, i sent this to the address you mentioned above...
"Hello Sir,
We need your help, please look into the corrupt conviction of Don Siegelman. He is the former governor of Alabama and he is being held as a political prisoner of the Bush administration in a Federal prison in Louisiana. We all know Karl Rove and the Republican Party are guilty, we need your help to prove it. Please appoint an Independent Investigator.
below are some links to some compelling evidence....
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830.shtml
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/15/don-siegelman-all-roads-lead-to...
Thank you,"
The Dems MUST fight to free Don Siegelman who is currently a political prisoner of the rogue Republican government that has hijacked our country. The Bush Co. cabal MUST be brought to justice and properly punished. Our very Democracy is at stake. Or are they also on the payroll?
Nicole, an Alabama friend basicallyh agrees with you but has a number of details you need to have straight:
Jerry, see my comments in CAPS below. I agree with Nicole that Don Siegelman has been shafted, and that most of this is due to the work of Karl Rove behind the scenes. However, Nicole has her facts a little confused in part of what she says about the Alabama gubernatorial election. We need to be careful about passing it out as gospel, because it may cause the rest of Nicole’s writing to be discredited, and we don’t want any claims of ‘erroneous facts’ to cause the investigation to stop. We need to be active in pushing to get to the truth of the involvement of the Bush administration in his conviction. I don’t want anything to impede the notion that “All roads lead to Rove.”
The scary part of all this is that there is very little – no, there is nothing – the extreme right wing of politics won’t do to have its way. And I’m afraid this is true of the extreme right wing of all institutions, including our churches, unfortunately.
On the positive side, I was elated with the recent decision of the Southern Baptist Association: their recognition of issues surrounding global warming, as well as their support of some “liberal” efforts to do something about this. I search hard these days to find signs of ethical progress among the extreme conservatives in our society. Some days I go to bed extremely disappointed because I couldn’t find an indication of progress.
Danny
From: Jerry Eckert
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 6:29 PM
To: Burttram, Danny W.
The latest from C&L:
Don Siegelman : “All Roads Lead To Rove”
By: Nicole Belle @ 1:00 PM - PDT
All roads lead to Rove. That was the message scrawled as an afterthought in the lower left-hand corner of the envelope I received in yesterday’s mail. It contained a letter from an old and dear friend of mine. His name is Don Siegelman. He is the former governor of Alabama and he is being held as a political prisoner of the Bush administration in a Federal prison in Louisiana.
They don’t allow Don the luxury of stationary so he must write his letters on whatever he can find. He wrote me on a xeroxed article he wanted me to see. [..]
Don is a formidable force in Alabama politics. His friends are loyal and his supporters enthusiastic. They re-elected him Governor in the midst of a bogus corruption trial engineered by the Bush Justice Department at the behest of Karl Rove who takes orders from you-know-who. Don campaigned for re-election throughout the early phases of the trial. ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT, ONCE THE INVESTIGATION STARTED, DON SIEGELMAN’S NAME WAS ON THE BALLOT ONLY IN ALABAMA’S DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY ELECTION. I VOTED FOR HIM IN SPITE OF THE ACCUSATIONS AND IMPENDING CHARGES. BUT HE DID NOT WIN THE PRIMARY. HIS NAME DID NOT APPEAR ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOTS. ROVE’S HENCHMEN HAD SIEGELMAN SO DISCREDITED AMONG THE PEOPLE OF ALABAMA THAT DON DID NOT EVEN WIN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY. THIS LOSS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY WAS SUBSTANTIAL THROUGHOUT ALABAMA AND WAS NOT DUE TO MANIPULATION OF THE ELECTION PROCESS IN BALDWIN COUNTY, EVEN THOUGH SUCH MANIPULATION MAY HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
On election night he was declared the winner, but Karl Rove’s minions stole the election overnight by manipulating the ballots in Baldwin County. It was classic Rovian/Republican election theft. They did it with computers and electronic voting machines. Don went to bed the re-elected Governor of Alabama, and woke up an unemployed defendant. [..] THIS, SIMPLY STATED, IS ERRONEOUS, SINCE SIEGELMAN LOST IN THE PRIMARY, NOT THE GENERAL ELECTION WHICH RE-ELECTED BOB RILEY AS GOVERNOR. PERHAPS NICOLE IS REFERRING TO THE PRIOR ELECTION WHEN BOB RILEY WAS ORIGINALLY ELECTED. BUT SIEGELMAN HAD NOT BEEN CHARGED AT THAT TIME. HE WS NOT CONVICTED UNTIL AFTER THE RE-ELECTION OF BOB RILEY. AT ANY RATE, THERE IS SOME LACK OF CLARITY ABOUT NICOLE’S ASSERTIONS HERE. THIS LACK OF CLARITY MAY CAUSE OTHERS TO WONDER ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS SHE SAYS.
I've been following the saga of Don Siegelman and it is indeed a travesty of justice. Now we hear he is being BEATEN is prison? This could be from the other inmates, but if it is indeed from his captors, that is beyond reprehension! He will probably be freed pretty soon, but still, look what he has undergone and what he still has to tolerate until his release. How can he get that time back? What can make up for the pain and humiliation? There are surely costly legal expenses as well...
Can Siegelman eventually again be the governor of Alabma? Will he at least be able to bring a lawsuit against these criminals, particularly ROVE? It is doubtful, because Siegelman would again need costly legal assistance and would have to PROVE beyond the shadow of a doubt that Rove was the moving force behind this, or at least involved to X degree. Mr Rove, are you happy you have practically DESTROYED this man???
Speaking of Rove, why did the U of Iowa PAY Rove to speak KNOWING 90% of the students DESPISE him? Why would ANYONE PAY Rove to speak? To HELL with the slug! How does Rove even move about publicly? He is SO despised, I'm surprised no one has squashed him...
It will be easy open-hunting season on Bush, Cheney, et al as soon as they are out of office... That would be justice.
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