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Following up on the breaking scandal involving the multiple breaches of Senator Barack Obama's passport records by State Department contract employees, Dan Abrams spoke with Eric Holder, Co-Chair of Obama's campaign, as well as Joe diGenova, former U.S. Attorney who investigated a similar breach of President Clinton's passport records during his first run for president in 1992.

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The State Department is saying that Secretary of State, Condi Rice, is saying that she only learned of the breaches yesterday and as diGenova states, it is inexcusable that she wouldn't know about something this important and that it shows an incredible lack of leadership and gross negligence. DiGenova also says that even if the Inspector General does do a formal investigation, the employees who were fired cannot be called to testify. In light of these facts, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi should call for an full investigation immediately, and these employees' computers, bank and phone records should be gone over with a fine tooth comb. Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC noted that each intrusion happened within a day or so of an Obama victory - *Iowa, Wisconsin/Hawaii and Mississippi. Coincidence? We need to know who knew what, and when.

To put this into perspective, diGenova is outraged by the news of this compromise, and he's known for being a partisan hack who believes he was a victim of the White House slander machine during the Clinton administration, just happens to be married to Victoria Toensing, counsel on the impeachment case against Clinton and who testified before Congress in the Valerie Plame case, repeatedly attacked Plame and saying that she was not a covert CIA operative.

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19 per cent's picture

Why should I believe anything will come of this?

Lindy's picture

Me thinks the "gentleman" doeth protest too much.

And DiGenova was the one who swept the Clinton investigation under the rug. Just like Condi will do with this one. Watch.

junglefreak's picture

I didn't know Obama won, New Hampshire...

Goon's picture

its time for anyone who is anti-Obama to turn off the 'game' and recognize this for what it is - absolute monstrous incompetence and a horrible breach of privacy. it was bad when it happened to Clinton and Perot, and its bad now, ESPECIALLY since they never told Obama...

looking at the files AT ALL is an invasion of privacy. We MUST know who did this and why they did it, and why they were "curious" - each of these breaches came directly after a major event, and this has happened on multiple occasions.

There MUST be an investigation of this monumental incompetence.

Karen's picture

Why is any of this "stunning" or "incomprehensible?" Honestly, if someone were to have asked me, prior to this story's breaking, whether I thought the State Department was so mismanaged and corrupt that folks there were snooping through Obama's private passport records for some insidious purpose, I would have said, "Yeah."

DearEditor's picture

"Heckuva job, Condi!"

jdw's picture

The Bush Administration IS behind this.

They will effectively silent any investigation.

That's what Nazis do.

sick of it's picture

"The State Department is saying that Secretary of State, Condi Rice, is saying that she only learned of the breaches yesterday..."

This is exactly how all of Bush administration appointees get away with this bullshit. Put her on the stand and we'll here more of the same. Trouble is, she might be telling the truth.

I don't expect for a minute that if we put George W. Bush on the stand that he would honestly be able to answer a god damn thing about what's going on. The guy is there for face time and signing statements. This is how it works.

Gonzalez? He supposedly knew nothing either.

I'll bet if anything does come of this it will be some low level people in their early thirties who graduated from some Bible Belt college no one has ever heard of to take the fall. And they won't know anything, natch.

It's the no-nothing bureaucratic smokescreen. And it's planned to be that way.

Logan Murphy's picture

junglefreak @ 4:

I didn't know Obama won, New Hampshire...

Fixed. Thanks.

Goon's picture

its not surprising or stunning to think they would do this, but to KNOW, Karen, is a wake up call.

with all the Democratic infighting and media fighting, this is a punch in the face - a reminder all Democrats should respond to of exactly who we are fighting and why regardless of who the nominee was, we must unite behind him/her and prevent more Republican thuggery and abuse of power such as this.

Ron's picture

Karen @ 6:

Why is any of this "stunning" or "incomprehensible?" Honestly, if someone were to have asked me, prior to this story's breaking, whether I thought the State Department was so mismanaged and corrupt that folks there were snooping through Obama's private passport records for some insidious purpose, I would have said, "Yeah."

What's surprising is that someone got caught or rather 3 were caught.

Goon's picture

i am seeing (and this certainly is not all by any stretch by some) Hillary supporters such as Larry Johnson saying this is 'no big deal'

What the hell is wrong with these people? has the Dem party become so divided we cant be collectively outraged at something so justifiably monstrous?

naschkatzeHussein's picture

Fee, fie, fo, fum, I smell the work of Rovey-mun.

naschkatzeHussein's picture

Goon @ 13:

i am seeing (and this certainly is not all by any stretch by some) Hillary supporters such as Larry Johnson saying this is 'no big deal'

What the hell is wrong with these people? has the Dem party become so divided we cant be collectively outraged at something so justifiably monstrous?

Yes, weren't the comments of Larry Johnson too too dismissive when he doesn't know a fuck about what went on anymore than the rest of us?

KYJurisDoctor's picture

Someone in present government is DEATHLY AFRAID of an Obama Presidency. Makes me want to vote for him just for that reason!

Goon's picture

naschkatzeHussein @ 15:

Goon @ 13:

i am seeing (and this certainly is not all by any stretch by some) Hillary supporters such as Larry Johnson saying this is 'no big deal'

What the hell is wrong with these people? has the Dem party become so divided we cant be collectively outraged at something so justifiably monstrous?

Yes, weren't the comments of Larry Johnson too too dismissive when he doesn't know a fuck about what went on anymore than the rest of us?

I dont know anymore, sir or maam, I just dont know... for all we know whoever did it contributed to the Hillary campaign and he's just trying to play it safe.... I guess its understandable THAT way... even if it wasnt the way the Rethugs are they could frame her campaign for it, I wouldnt put it past them.

Regardless what we should all know is to not trust any denial from the Bush side without actual proof.

Renee's picture

Some thoughts about how easily anyone could be made "denounce-worthy".

P.D.'s picture

I was watching Dan Abrahms until the kids took over the TV. Tucker's comments were laughable. If this were an Democratic adminastration, Tucker and his ilk would be screaming bloody murder. Unbeleivable!

Matt Hussein in Texas's picture

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

sick of it's picture

I've noticed a lot lately that MSNBC continuously scoops CNN by a long shot which was the case tonight. Wonder why.

Phil's picture

"an incredible lack of leadership and gross negligence" - Condi "The Intelligent Liar" Rice

Kettle meet pot, pot meet kettle

Toes's picture

** One comment sure to be heard in Washington tonight from a certain Karl Rove, "Oh shit---we got caught."

** TV ad copy for the Fall:

"If the Republicans, without shame, invade the privacy of a candidate for President, do you think they will hesitate to violate YOUR privacy and your private records? Haven't we had enough of the destruction of our most basic liberties. Senator McCain thinks that the Patriot Act and other violations of your basic liberties are just fine. What do you think?"

Goon's picture

Matt Hussein in Texas @ 19:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

Matt, remember Sandy Berger? He did some stupid shit and stuffed papers down his clothes. I remember defending him thinking a Dem would never do such a thing, then was embarrassed when it was found he actually did it. No, I don't feel like committing to the Republican playbook. I don't know if souls exist, but if they do I'm not going to risk it in order to slime Rep. Whitey McReligiongood from West Virginia.

Ronaldo's picture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Krongard

I wonder why Obama's breach was not properly--much less rigorously--investigated???

Too busy with BLACKWATER??

"Democrat Opens Inquiry Into Whether State Dept. Official Impeded Investigations"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/washington/19inspector.html?ex=1347940800&en=59defced6c624bd2&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink|

abarts's picture

Reid and Pelosi start an investigation? HA-HA

Condi's response - "I don't recall"

Cheney's response - "So?"

pinkobait's picture

I can just imagine how an investigation into this would play out.
Refusals to testify followed by a parade of smug and shameless memory challenged witnesses.
At least it should help detract from the Pastor Wright Hates America and White Babies story for a few news cycles...

Ron's picture

Renee @ 17:

Some thoughts about how easily anyone could be made "denounce-worthy".

We could denounce Faux but, nobody at Faux is listening.

RLF's picture

Toes @ 22:

** One comment sure to be heard in Washington tonight from a certain Karl Rove, "Oh shit---we got caught."

** TV ad copy for the Fall:

"If the Republicans, without shame, invade the privacy of a candidate for President, do you think they will hesitate to violate YOUR privacy and your private records? Haven't we had enough of the destruction of our most basic liberties. Senator McCain thinks that the Patriot Act and other violations of your basic liberties are just fine. What do you think?"

I think this is not even an issue that will move Wright Gate off the front pages. What could possibly be in these records that have not been released already? Hopefully nothing

Ronaldo's picture

What breach?

Hey, you lost ALL of your "privacy" after everyone capitulated to the PATRIOT ACT!

sick of it's picture

Richard Clark said what?

9/11-commission: Ben Veniste grills Rice on PDB Aug 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7fQcQdMoxo&feature=related

Goon's picture

RLF @ 28:

Toes @ 22:

** One comment sure to be heard in Washington tonight from a certain Karl Rove, "Oh shit---we got caught."

** TV ad copy for the Fall:

"If the Republicans, without shame, invade the privacy of a candidate for President, do you think they will hesitate to violate YOUR privacy and your private records? Haven't we had enough of the destruction of our most basic liberties. Senator McCain thinks that the Patriot Act and other violations of your basic liberties are just fine. What do you think?"

I think this is not even an issue that will move Wright Gate off the front
pages. What could possibly be in these records that have not been released already? Hopefully nothing

They look because they care more about winning than being caught and being hurt. Even though they were caught snooping Bill Clinton in 91, they found some trips which they tried to use claiming he was a Manchurian Candidate.
these sick people will use anything they can find to attack whoever is in the way.

Whether its Hillary or Barack, they must keep this sort of privacy issue alive to show America the difference between us and them. competence. integrity. privacy.

Dahgrostab'ph-r-i's picture

Karen @ 6:

Why is any of this "stunning" or "incomprehensible?" Honestly, if someone were to have asked me, prior to this story's breaking, whether I thought the State Department was so mismanaged and corrupt that folks there were snooping through Obama's private passport records for some insidious purpose, I would have said, "Yeah."

No shit at this point I think we can say it's "Business as Usual"

Goon's picture

Ronaldo @ 29:

What breach?

Hey, you lost ALL of your "privacy" after everyone capitulated to the PATRIOT ACT!

you are right.

this issue must be used as a segue whenever given the chance to speak to the people.

sick of it's picture

What I posted above is not a 9/11 invitation for ranting. It shows Condi's blatent ineptitude.

Phil's picture

Goon Hit the nail on the HEAD and slammed it right down to fix a broken NOLA home!

"Whether its Hillary or Barack, they must keep this sort of privacy issue alive to show America the difference between us and them. competence. integrity. privacy."

John Hussein Smith's picture

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi should show some leadership and fully investigate this outrage. Hopefully this will finally give them the motivation and courage to impeach this extremely corrupt administration.

Phil's picture

33, segway

jdw's picture

What communist country monitors their citizens phone calls, tortures prisoners and controls the media?

Bush's Amerika.

Now he sends his cronies to snoop through Obama's personal files.

But in Bush's Amerika, the prez is above the law. He is a law unto himself, and fuck anybody getting in his way.

Horst's picture

Thanks, Logan. This is gonna be fun! I doubt Sen. Obama is gonna let this slide, although no one should be too surprised by this maneuver to scrounge up something, anything, on the him. Could even be a actic out of the camp of She Who Must Not Be Named. As far as the Bushkovites, we know that there are not just under a million terrorists, as on the 'No Fly' list, or that not all of everyone's e-communications warrant scrutiny, so why the shock? Maybe the Senator will see that this gets explored more thoroughly than the rest of the Dems have been willing to do. I was a bit taken aback the other day to hear Pelosi the Younger claim rather indignantly that it will be the Dem's who suffer if impeachment goes forward. Arrrgghhh!!!!

tr's picture

after a couple of days, the gop will spin this into needing to know which months obama was in afghanistan getting his al quaida training. i'll bet the msm will have a gop pundit actually saying something like this.

Surrrrrrrre, Condi didn't know about the breach.

This is the same woman who didn't think to pass that memo warning about Bin Laden determined to strike the United States on September 11th.

How do we know she didn't give the order and hoped it wouldn't be traced back to her?

Better still, how do we know she gave the order and didn't care if it came back to her? This administration has given the law the "finger" for the past 8 years.

Ron's picture

jdw @ 38:

What communist country monitors their citizens phone calls, tortures prisoners and controls the media?

Bush's Amerika.

Now he sends his cronies to snoop through Obama's personal files.

But in Bush's Amerika, the prez is above the law. He is a law unto himself, and fuck anybody getting in his way.

Sounds more like Nazis.

Horst's picture

ooops! "...be a tactic out of..." sorry!

Dahgrostab'ph-r-i's picture

sick of it @ 34:

What I posted above is not a 9/11 invitation for ranting. It shows Condi's blatent ineptitude.

I'm not trying to rant with the following:

As long as people feel they were lied to, and there was no real investigation not to mention not a single firing...oh, wait...Bill Maher got fired.

It's hard not to rant when I think of what has been done to us and that people feel it's OK to silence those who would demand real answers. Or at least to look at the facts.

But then again this nation has always buried it's collective head in the sand when confronted with real issues like Racial Equality or Ethics or Political Fraud.

Dave's picture

sick of it Says is right.
The Rethugs have the plausible deniability game down to an art across every the board.

Matt Hussein in Texas's picture

Goon @ 23:

Matt Hussein in Texas @ 19:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

Matt, remember Sandy Berger? He did some stupid shit and stuffed papers down his clothes. I remember defending him thinking a Dem would never do such a thing, then was embarrassed when it was found he actually did it. No, I don't feel like committing to the Republican playbook. I don't know if souls exist, but if they do I'm not going to risk it in order to slime Rep. Whitey McReligiongood from West Virginia.

Yeah, you're probably right. It's just hard sometimes to be altruistic when you've been screwed so bad like we've been by the Bush administration. Guess that's what should distinguish us from the Repigs.

Thanks for your comments.

Matt Hussein in Texas @ 19:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

I cosign with your thoughts on this. The problem is the Democrats seem to always find ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and they won't do it.

Phil's picture

CBS reports the State Department has "nipped in the bud."

WTF!?

The State Department needs to be nipped in the bud.
With all the compartmentalization, The unchecked Security Clearances, and FUCKING HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR!

L.A. Confidential's picture

Maybe Bush Co did it to distract us from the economy.

hotfangaz's picture

19 per cent @ 1:

Why should I believe anything will come of this?

Exactly! All Condi Liar Rat and the rest of the Bush criminal cabal will say is, "so"?

And the Democratic leadership will scatter like lil biotches!

Roket's picture

Please note that if this happened to Joe Schmoe, nothing would become of it. But, we’re talking about a sitting United States Senator here, who also happens to be running for President. This breach of security should have each and every Senator, whether they are Democrat or Republican, totally and absolutely outraged. If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate this time, then that would constitute irrefutable proof that they place Party before Country and also make them traitors to their oath of office. Not to mention, open themselves wide for the next Democratic Administration. May a thousand fleas infest their broke-back camel.

pinkobait's picture

Matt Hussein in Texas @ 19:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

Once we regain the White House we're gonna round you all up at 3 a.m. in the morning and water board your asses.
We're gonna fire Rush Limbaugh.Out of a cannon.Dick Cheney and Bush will be hooked up to lie detectors on Live TV-maybe Fox? and forced to answer actual questions posed by Helen Thomas.

Phil's picture

51, I disagree, Joe 6-pack would be apologized to. Then when Joe 6-pack left the building, they would fire back up all the packet burst transmitters again.

P.D.'s picture

What happens now? Is this going to be stuffed on page 6 in every newspaper? Everytime I get my hopes up, the status qou always fails me.

L.A. Confidential's picture

Whens McCain's turn for a MSM pile on coming? The guys practically invisible.

Goon's picture

Roket @ 51:

Please note that if this happened to Joe Schmoe, nothing would become of it. But, we’re talking about a sitting United States Senator here, who also happens to be running for President. This breach of security should have each and every Senator, whether they are Democrat or Republican, totally and absolutely outraged. If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate this time, then that would constitute irrefutable proof that they place Party before Country and also make them traitors to their oath of office. Not to mention, open themselves wide for the next Democratic Administration. May a thousand fleas infest their broke-back camel.

its true. but considering Obama has Secret Service protection and you don't - that he never heard until now about this is damning as all hell.

by the way, an unsubstantial Clinton connection has been unveiled in regards to this issue - apparently someone made an ambassador by Bill Clinton who resigned between the 2nd and 3rd breach... it would be wrong to push any accusation more than this until more is known...

I really hope this doesnt point back to the Democrats. I demand we find out either way, however goddamn it if the Dems screw themselves.

Phil's picture

I wonder if the three employees two of which are now identified? Yet I still see no actual names, and the contractors.. Oh nevermind, the question now I wonder is if the CRACKERS had an outside line? if so what did they transmit?

sick of it's picture

John Hussein Smith @ 36:

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi should show some leadership and fully investigate this outrage. Hopefully this will finally give them the motivation and courage to impeach this extremely corrupt administration.

The test will be how long this story has legs. If it drops out of sight, all of you activists out there need to keep bringing it to the forefront.

The United States of America has blatently lied about Iraq's non-possession of WMDs to use our military and public tax dollars to illegally drop bombs, invade and occupy Iraq and also get away with blatant lying concerning documented torture as seen in Abu-Graib...what is so shocking about this?

Wire-tapping and invasion of privacy seems to go along with the territory.

senlac1066's picture

According to Josh Marshall, the breaches coincided with "the day after the New Hampshire primary, the day of the Democratic debate in Texas and the day the Wright story really hit." I wouldn't classify those events as Obama victories.

So Joe's incensed--perhaps he sees a chance to get his revenge and fix the Clintons' wagon.

P.D.'s picture

LA, you are right. McCain seems absent from the media's coverage. Could it be that Big Business wants the Democrats to lose?

sick of it's picture

Dahgrostab’ph-r-i--

Damn straight.

ck's picture

diGenova is outraged by the news of this compromise, and he’s known for being a partisan hack who believes he was a victim of the White House slander machine during the Clinton administration

Which leads me to believe this is a setup. It will turn out to be something completely different from what it looks like. I know, call me crazy. But it's too pat; all the pieces fell into place all at once, and all these "outraged" people were ready to get on the phones and go live on TV immediately. It seems too planned to me.

Alan F.'s picture

I watched Hannity & Colmes for the entire hour tonight (it was hard to keep my dinner down let me tell you) and they didn't breathe a work about this subject. Yet another hour about the "crazy preacher". It'll be interesting how they cover this, if they do at all.

Alice Hussein's picture

Ron @ 42:

jdw @ 38:

What communist country monitors their citizens phone calls, tortures prisoners and controls the media?

Bush's Amerika.

Now he sends his cronies to snoop through Obama's personal files.

But in Bush's Amerika, the prez is above the law. He is a law unto himself, and fuck anybody getting in his way.

Sounds more like Nazis.

Please don't mix the allusions.

Fascists they are, fascists they will likely stay.

Goon's picture

ck @ 62:

diGenova is outraged by the news of this compromise, and he’s known for being a partisan hack who believes he was a victim of the White House slander machine during the Clinton administration

Which leads me to believe this is a setup. It will turn out to be something completely different from what it looks like. I know, call me crazy. But it's too pat; all the pieces fell into place all at once, and all these "outraged" people were ready to get on the phones and go live on TV immediately. It seems too planned to me.

none of us will know what to believe, at least not tonight... Shuster has reporter it was Clinton appointee Maura Hardy(Harty?)'s area... having ANY connection at all there is not good in the short run...

I would not put it past any republican to frame Hillary's campaign, yet at the same time she wants to win enough that even I could be unsure what to believe.

ah, politics.

xoites Hussein defends Constitution's picture

I want my country back. I want our privacy respected. I want Habeas Corpus reinstated. I want torture ended. I want us to withdraw our troops from Iraq while we rebuild their country, which we devastated. I want fair elections at home as well as abroad. I want this criminal administration, investigated, charged, tried, and if found guilty-incarcerated. I want the Constitution upheld. I want elected politicians free from government spying and blackmail.

Is this really a wish list that i am to believe unatainable in America in the twenty first century?

longnow's picture

The contractors knew that the breach would trip security
and they did it anyway. What does that tell you?

sick of it's picture
Goon's picture

longnow @ 67:

The contractors knew that the breach would trip security
and they did it anyway. What does that tell you?

You think they would know that someone else had been fired for it, JUST WEEKS EARLIER

and they did it a THIRD time...

innocent snooping my ass.

JD's picture

An interview with Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, from Feb. 7th, 2007. A full year ago, and very very interesting in light of all the recent controversy. He acknowledges that he holds views that may turn off some voters that Obama might need, such as the Jewish-Americans, because of his opinion that U.S. policies toward Palestinians should change. He says that he even warned Obama of all this!! I wonder why Obama stuck with him?

And I wonder why no one, not a single news outlet, has sought to interview Wright to get his side of the story. Or do a story on what the day to day services at the church were like, not 30 second sound bites of the most inflammatory parts. I think this man is not the person that the media is painting him out to be.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week1028/interview.html

Matt Hussein in Texas's picture

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 66:

I want my country back. I want our privacy respected. I want Habeas Corpus reinstated. I want torture ended. I want us to withdraw our troops from Iraq while we rebuild their country, which we devastated. I want fair elections at home as well as abroad. I want this criminal administration, investigated, charged, tried, and if found guilty-incarcerated. I want the Constitution upheld. I want elected politicians free from government spying and blackmail.

Is this really a wish list that i am to believe unatainable in America in the twenty first century?

Yeah, it's sad that this isn't standard operating procedure in America. What the hell has become of the country in which I grew up?

sick of it's picture

The term fascismo was coined by the Italian Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini and Hegelian philosopher Giovanni Gentile.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
-Benito Mussolini

naschkatze Hussein's picture

People are writing on the thread at HuffPo that the supervisor responsible for not reporting these breaches to her superior, Patrick Kennedy, is one Maura Harding, former ambassador to Paraguay under Bill Clinton. She is saying it was not her "assessment" to pass the information along.

L.A. Confidential's picture

P.D. @ 60:

LA, you are right. McCain seems absent from the media's coverage. Could it be that Big Business wants the Democrats to lose?

It would certainly end Corporate Welfare as we've come to know it.

sick of it's picture

xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 66:

I want my country back. I want our privacy respected. I want Habeas Corpus reinstated. I want torture ended. I want us to withdraw our troops from Iraq while we rebuild their country, which we devastated. I want fair elections at home as well as abroad. I want this criminal administration, investigated, charged, tried, and if found guilty-incarcerated. I want the Constitution upheld. I want elected politicians free from government spying and blackmail.

Is this really a wish list that i am to believe unatainable in America in the twenty first century?

This might just be me but I think the answer is leaning toward the 80% and over scale on that question.

L.A. Confidential's picture

naschkatze Hussein @ 73:

People are writing on the thread at HuffPo that the supervisor responsible for not reporting these breaches to her superior, Patrick Kennedy, is one Maura Harding, former ambassador to Paraguay under Bill Clinton. She is saying it was not her "assessment" to pass the information along.

Ahhhh figured Clinton would come up. Bush Co and Richard Mellon Scaife had nothing to do with it no doubt.

Pale Rider's picture

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the department itself detected the instances of "imprudent curiosity," which occurred separately on Jan. 9, Feb. 21 and March 14. He would not release the names of those who were fired and disciplined. The three were working in separate offices within the passport system, according to State Department officials.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200701300007

January 9*

On January 9, eight days before the InsightMag.com story was posted, Chicago Tribune metro columnist Eric Zorn wrote on the Tribune's Change of Subject weblog, "The crazies are sending around an e-mail that attempts to establish that Barack Obama is actually a Muslim who masquerades as a Christian for political advantage. It goes under the heading 'The Enemy Within' and 'Be Careful, Be Very Careful.' "

Hey, what a coincidence. The first time his passport file is snooped into, the e-mails start flying around about the Madrassa...

Now, of course, it's all innocent, right? I mean, would the GOP dirty tricks machine be capable of something like this?

Who knows?

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Goon @ 56:

Roket @ 51:

Please note that if this happened to Joe Schmoe, nothing would become of it. But, we’re talking about a sitting United States Senator here, who also happens to be running for President. This breach of security should have each and every Senator, whether they are Democrat or Republican, totally and absolutely outraged. If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate this time, then that would constitute irrefutable proof that they place Party before Country and also make them traitors to their oath of office. Not to mention, open themselves wide for the next Democratic Administration. May a thousand fleas infest their broke-back camel.

its true. but considering Obama has Secret Service protection and you don't - that he never heard until now about this is damning as all hell.

by the way, an unsubstantial Clinton connection has been unveiled in regards to this issue - apparently someone made an ambassador by Bill Clinton who resigned between the 2nd and 3rd breach... it would be wrong to push any accusation more than this until more is known...

I really hope this doesnt point back to the Democrats. I demand we find out either way, however goddamn it if the Dems screw themselves.

Allow me to correct you. "I really hope this doesn't point back to CLINTON." There, fixed it. If it does point back to Clinton, then she's out of the race. Mkay.

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longnow @ 67:

The contractors knew that the breach would trip security
and they did it anyway. What does that tell you?

Hmm.. I can almost envision Rove drumming his fingers Mr. Burns style and saying "Leak it".
Joe-on-the-fence thinks: "The black guy's was snooped on by the govamint. Hmm.. don't know if I can trust the black guy."

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Roket @ 78:

Goon @ 56:

Roket @ 51:

Please note that if this happened to Joe Schmoe, nothing would become of it. But, we’re talking about a sitting United States Senator here, who also happens to be running for President. This breach of security should have each and every Senator, whether they are Democrat or Republican, totally and absolutely outraged. If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate this time, then that would constitute irrefutable proof that they place Party before Country and also make them traitors to their oath of office. Not to mention, open themselves wide for the next Democratic Administration. May a thousand fleas infest their broke-back camel.

its true. but considering Obama has Secret Service protection and you don't - that he never heard until now about this is damning as all hell.

by the way, an unsubstantial Clinton connection has been unveiled in regards to this issue - apparently someone made an ambassador by Bill Clinton who resigned between the 2nd and 3rd breach... it would be wrong to push any accusation more than this until more is known...

I really hope this doesnt point back to the Democrats. I demand we find out either way, however goddamn it if the Dems screw themselves.

Allow me to correct you. "I really hope this doesn't point back to CLINTON." There, fixed it. If it does point back to Clinton, then she's out of the race. Mkay.

I'm just trying to be fair to Hillary... but so far if its true that Maura Hardy/Harty/Harding? chose not to report this then there is trouble...

last second edit: I understand this woman is a 'lifer' politician who has Reagan and Bush I ties as well, so things could be okay...

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L.A. Confidential @ 74:

P.D. @ 60:

LA, you are right. McCain seems absent from the media's coverage. Could it be that Big Business wants the Democrats to lose?

It would certainly end Corporate Welfare as we've come to know it.

I fear you are confusing your leaders with your rulers. I recommend Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine for a chilling look at who is really running the show.

No. 44's picture

Watergate II.

Phil's picture

Two quotes from above.... where ever
Is this really a wish list that i am to believe unatainable in America in the twenty first century?

This might just be me but I think the answer is leaning toward the 80% and over scale on that question.

I just throw this out, maybe Iraq can HIRE blackwater for security and we can ship all our hardware back home, then slip out.

Goon's picture

I think everyone needs to know this:

what is in a passport record:

The passport records system includes the following categories of records:

Passport books and passport cards, applications for passport books and passport cards, and applications for additional visa pages, amendments, extensions, replacements, and/or renewals of passport books or cards (including all information and materials submitted as part of or with all such applications);

Applications for registration at American Diplomatic and Consular Posts as U.S. citizens or for issuance of Cards of Identity and Registration as U.S. Citizens;

Consular Reports of Birth Abroad of United States citizens;

Certificates of Witness to Marriage;

Certificates of Loss of United States Nationality;

Oaths of Repatriation;

Consular Certificates of Repatriation;

Reports of Death of an American Citizen Abroad;

Cards of Identity and Registration as U.S. citizens;

Lookout files which identify those persons whose
applications for a consular or related service require other than
routine examination or action; and

Miscellaneous materials, which are documents and/or
records maintained separately, if not in the application, including but
not limited to the following types of documents:

[cir] Investigatory reports compiled in connection with granting or
denying passport and related services or prosecuting violations of
passport criminal statutes;

[cir] Transcripts and opinions on administrative hearings, appeals
and civil actions in federal courts;

[cir] Legal briefs, memoranda, judicial orders and opinions arising
from administrative determinations relating to passports and
citizenship;

[cir] Birth and baptismal certificates;

[cir] Court orders;

[cir] Arrest warrants;

[cir] Medical, personal and financial reports;

[cir] Affidavits;

[cir] Inter-agency and intra-agency memoranda, telegrams, letters,
and other miscellaneous correspondence;

[cir] An electronic index of all passport application records
created since 1978, and some passport application records created
between 1962 and 1978;

[cir] An electronic index of Department of State Reports of Birth
of American Citizens abroad; and/or

[cir] Records of lost and stolen passports.

Phil's picture

Don't get me wrong. This Passport breach of security is totally unacceptable.
I think some people in this world can not talk about race. I FEEL IT.

clytemnestra hussein orestia's picture

It was interesting to see how the other cable news channels handled this

at 9:00pm EDT just after Keith Olbermann handed off to Dan Abrams I turned to CNN Headline news .. nothing, not even in the crawl just Glenn Beck and Ken Blackwell having orgasms over Rev. Wright
CNN had King interviewing Obama, if they had touched on it before I don't know but there was nothing in the crawl. Around 9:30pm EDT they finally put up the "breaking" sign and had something about it in the crawl
Fox sNews had a liberal woman (name escapes me now) in for Colmes, Hannity and Newt going on and on about Re. Wright and the supposed lack of Obama's judgement .. nothing in the crawl and no mention of the passport breach

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Goon @ 81:

Roket @ 78:

Goon @ 56:

Roket @ 51:

its true. but considering Obama has Secret Service protection and you don't - that he never heard until now about this is damning as all hell.

by the way, an unsubstantial Clinton connection has been unveiled in regards to this issue - apparently someone made an ambassador by Bill Clinton who resigned between the 2nd and 3rd breach... it would be wrong to push any accusation more than this until more is known...

I really hope this doesnt point back to the Democrats. I demand we find out either way, however goddamn it if the Dems screw themselves.

Allow me to correct you. "I really hope this doesn't point back to CLINTON." There, fixed it. If it does point back to Clinton, then she's out of the race. Mkay.

I'm just trying to be fair to Hillary... but so far if its true that Maura Hardy/Harty/Harding? chose not to report this then there is trouble...

last second edit: I understand this woman is a 'lifer' politician who has Reagan and Bush I ties as well, so things could be okay...

Sorry if I sound testy, but this site has been infiltrated by Republican plants. They are attempting to plant the fantasy that the Democratic Party is on the verge of collapse. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are merely in a heated selection process, unlike the actual collapsing Republicans who have designated their surrogate who may or may not survive politically until their own convention. In other words, they are projecting.

Phil's picture

Wow goon,
that's deep.
My passport from 1974 only had my photo, my address, my vaccinations.

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Phil @ 86:

Don't get me wrong. This Passport breach of security is totally unacceptable.
I think some people in this world can not talk about race. I FEEL IT.

I can talk about race, and i can talk about race here or on the open thread. I can talk about it in a restaraunt or a bar.

Phil's picture

Maybe it's fucking time to organize a protest in front of the FCC, the local network stations.

Phil's picture

As it seems the Whitehouse is just a shell

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Roket @ 88:

Goon @ 81:

Roket @ 78:

Goon @ 56:

Allow me to correct you. "I really hope this doesn't point back to CLINTON." There, fixed it. If it does point back to Clinton, then she's out of the race. Mkay.

I'm just trying to be fair to Hillary... but so far if its true that Maura Hardy/Harty/Harding? chose not to report this then there is trouble...

last second edit: I understand this woman is a 'lifer' politician who has Reagan and Bush I ties as well, so things could be okay...

Sorry if I sound testy, but this site has been infiltrated by Republican plants. They are attempting to plant the fantasy that the Democratic Party is on the verge of collapse. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are merely in a heated selection process, unlike the actual collapsing Republicans who have designated their surrogate who may or may not survive politically until their own convention. In other words, they are projecting.

well if you see my name again, know i've been around here a long time. I will make it blunt that I prefer Obama over Clinton, have been in fact quite bothered by some of her tactics, but would encourage anyone to vote Dem in November regardless of the nominee for the sake of protecting SCOTUS.

Phil's picture

The Congress don't care. The Senate don't care.

(I know I know not all of em.) There's barely any.

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Phil @ 89:

Wow goon,
that's deep.
My passport from 1974 only had my photo, my address, my vaccinations.

clearly you can see from that list why someone either trying to make Obama look like a Muslim, or to be honest, some dork who is just curious whether or not he really is some globetrotting Manchurian Candidate, may want to take a peek.

these records are a big deal, and i think everyone needs to see that list to find out just why.

Phil's picture

Goon, I had problems with ... Specifically obama's stolen/screwed the admin MYSpace account.
However, at this current point of time I am going to try to cast my constitutional right to vote for Obama.
I have some worries about AIPAC, CFR and I PRAy that Obama will separate himself from those thugs.

Never-the-less it's where I personally am at.

xoites Hussein defends Constitution's picture

Phil @ 91:

Maybe it's fucking time to organize a protest in front of the FCC, the local network stations.

I have been advocating that for a few years now.

Phil's picture

F- Yeah Goon, it's unconstitutional to just be snooping around. SO WHAT don't fucking cut it anymore.

Phil's picture

xoites? Really?

Hit my email please.

Helloworld's picture

Wow I'm breathless about this incident. What is WRONG with these people? Is winning some fickle political power reason to ransack every right people have? Sick sick sick.

Phil's picture

If you walked in on a wall full of punch downs, and you started snooping on your fellow Americans just cause your curious.
That shit is wrong.

Goon's picture

Helloworld @ 100:

Wow I'm breathless about this incident. What is WRONG with these people? Is winning some fickle political power reason to ransack every right people have? Sick sick sick.

I just don't get why so few people can think more clearly about who is running for political power and who is running for public service... politicians are treated way too much like they are untouchable.

Phil's picture

xoites, I also suggest that you stop visiting and making traffic on the mainstream websites. Unless it's something you get via proxy that is PROSECUTING the shit,.

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P.D. @ 19:

I was watching Dan Abrahms until the kids took over the TV. Tucker's comments were laughable. If this were an Democratic adminastration, Tucker and his ilk would be screaming bloody murder. Unbeleivable!

You know I think I liked it better when he had his own show . . . atleast I could avoid the the little twit

Phil's picture

Why not watch (and support) Public access? By definition we are in the public interest.

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Phil @ 98:

F- Yeah Goon, it's unconstitutional to just be snooping around. SO WHAT don't fucking cut it anymore.

Let's do it in public, i have a feeling between the two of us some one might listen.

Goon's picture

Troll @ 103:

This is a nice try by Obama, but we still haven't forgotten Rev Wright. sorry

[Don't feed the troll-Sitemonitor]

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Troll @ 103:

This is a nice try by Obama, but we still haven't forgotten Rev Wright. sorry

[Deleted. Don't feed him. Thanks-Sitemonitor].

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Phil @ 99:

xoites? Really?

Hit my email please.

Hit mine, your's won't let me.

xoites@gmail.com

Phil's picture

Proxy is going to be real important for anyone whistleblowing.

clytemnestra hussein orestia's picture

Roket @ 88:

Goon @ 81:

Roket @ 78:

Goon @ 56:

Allow me to correct you. "I really hope this doesn't point back to CLINTON." There, fixed it. If it does point back to Clinton, then she's out of the race. Mkay.

I'm just trying to be fair to Hillary... but so far if its true that Maura Hardy/Harty/Harding? chose not to report this then there is trouble...

last second edit: I understand this woman is a 'lifer' politician who has Reagan and Bush I ties as well, so things could be okay...

Sorry if I sound testy, but this site has been infiltrated by Republican plants. They are attempting to plant the fantasy that the Democratic Party is on the verge of collapse. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are merely in a heated selection process, unlike the actual collapsing Republicans who have designated their surrogate who may or may not survive politically until their own convention. In other words, they are projecting.

HERE HERE!

Republicans are gaming our blogs pretending to be Hillary supports to say the most obnoxious, insulting and divisive things to Obama supporters OR pretending to be Obama supporters to say the most obnoxious, insulting and divisive things to Hillary supporters - so no matter who our nominee is 1/2 of the party will be so disgusted they won't come out to vote

(they done the same thing with robo calling pretending to be the democratic candidate and if the person hangs up the computer keeps calling)

Or they will act like Tokyo Rose and tell us our party is falling apart.

Don't bite, don't play... and encourage others to ignore them too
on this and every progressive blog.

Phil's picture

xoites test it.

xoites Hussein defends Constitution's picture

Phil @ 113:

xoites test it.

I responded to your email and i was rejected.

anon's picture

The video feed is funky. I buffer 1% 4% 10% 6% 2% etc.

Either the size of the file isnt fixed or the connection is resetting and restarting.

clytemnestra hussein orestia's picture

Goon @ 93:

Roket @ 88:

Goon @ 81:

Roket @ 78:

I'm just trying to be fair to Hillary... but so far if its true that Maura Hardy/Harty/Harding? chose not to report this then there is trouble...

last second edit: I understand this woman is a 'lifer' politician who has Reagan and Bush I ties as well, so things could be okay...

Sorry if I sound testy, but this site has been infiltrated by Republican plants. They are attempting to plant the fantasy that the Democratic Party is on the verge of collapse. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are merely in a heated selection process, unlike the actual collapsing Republicans who have designated their surrogate who may or may not survive politically until their own convention. In other words, they are projecting.

well if you see my name again, know i've been around here a long time. I will make it blunt that I prefer Obama over Clinton, have been in fact quite bothered by some of her tactics, but would encourage anyone to vote Dem in November regardless of the nominee for the sake of protecting SCOTUS.

BRAVO!

As of 9am EDT today my sig line on DailyKos reads:

If u will not vote for the Dem. nominee, no matter who that is, go apologize 2 the youth of this nation. U've helped put in "100 years of war no Choice McCain."

Phil's picture

By the way I am not upset xoites.
Glad we have communications now.

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L.A. Confidential @ 56:

Whens McCain's turn for a MSM pile on coming? The guys practically invisible.

It IS all about the media - will this just be another scandal swept under the rug?

Probably.

clytemnestra hussein orestia's picture

L.A. Confidential @ 56:

Whens McCain's turn for a MSM pile on coming? The guys practically invisible.

It pays to have a BBQ and invited all the press

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Matt Hussein in Texas @ 109:

Troll @ 103:

This is a nice try by Obama, but we still haven't forgotten Rev Wright. sorry

[Deleted. Don't feed him. Thanks-Sitemonitor].

Gotcha.

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xoites Hussein defends Constitution @ 114:

Phil @ 113:

xoites test it.

I responded to your email and i was rejected.

Hey, no accounting for taste..... (snark)

Phil's picture

121, we are in communications now.

Phil's picture

My filters probably bounced him.

Joseph's picture

Someone Has Already Used Obama's Files Against Him

I recall, on several occasions, there were attempts to track down Barack Obama's origin of birth to make a radical Muslim connection. At the time,like everything else, this was blamed on Hillary Clinton. Well guess what: I would not be surprised if this has ties to the Bush administration's surveillance program.

We, the people, could be in the dark about so many things. The resent prostitution charge against Elliot Spitzer also may have roots to the ill-famed wiretapping order. I know I have heard the supporters for the surveillance program say the order would only involve phone calls from overseas. Need I say more?

It's hard to get to a secret when you have made the secret top secret. So far, everything we need to know about this surveillance act is secret. The only thing left to the people is outrage, outrage, and more outrage. We have got to say "we are tired and cannot take anymore of this secret BS.

Joseph

andrew13's picture

feb 21st was only a few days before hillary's campaign found and leaked the photo of barack in "muslim" grab from a trip to africa. also, over the weekend hillary was quoted in the post gazette about barack never vising latian america and only visiting 1 nato country in his life. how did she find this information?

Phil's picture

Joesph @ 124
“we are tired and cannot take anymore of this secret BS."

We are tired and WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS ...

Phil's picture

Start thinking like a leader!!!

Phil's picture

sure seems like crap that the fascist media shuts down at X -o clock

Phil's picture

Has Ann Coulter lowered her panties low enough to the FOX floor to get all those bugs to jump back in yet or are the bugs in all their expensive equipment still?

Phil's picture

Maybe it's Mike Malloy show is over?

Phil's picture

I am grasping at straws here people

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Matt Hussein in Texas @ 20:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

There's a name for people like that. They're called Republicans. Don't become what you hate.

Leslie's picture

Wasn't DiGenova involved in investigating the Clinton passport breach and didn't he sweep it under the rug?

Is there anyone left on the planet who doesn't know Condi is incompetent?!

CruzBustamove's picture

And Tucker showed up to prove he is punditry's preeminent twit.

Lollimom's picture

We have to remember that if you let a cancer grow in the White House, it metastasizes throughout government.

I recall that Nancy Pelosi removed impeachment from the table.

Once more: By not exercising her constitutional duty to remove the cancer from the White House, Pelosi's inaction is having vile consequences for all Americans. The culture of corruption and filth continues to grow throughout government.

As it now stands, this obscene culture has been nurtured by the republican party, and it may snatch the presidency right out from the dem's hands in '08.

Imagine it! 8 years of republican-inspired death, bloodshed, thievery, perversion, torture, pilfering, butchering of civilians, treason, war profiteering, fascism...and a filthy republican is once more seated in the highest office in 2008.

I am beginning to think it will happen.

Anonymous's picture

The Ghosts of Abu Ghraib rattle their chains: "The State Department contractors were just having late night, fraternity parties, acting on their own. Nothing to see here. Move along. Do not talk about the electronic evidence of what else was going on, who they were talking to, or the e-mails they were reading/sending surrounding this activity. Far too scary to contemplate."

rbrooks's picture

MSNBC says Maura Hardy was Clinton's ambassador to Paraguay.
Looks like those "contract workers" found something:

On March 12 " the campaign issued a memo with pointed questions for Mr. Obama on national security, including:

"As voters evaluate you as a potential Commander-in-Chief, do you think it's legitimate for people to be concerned that you have traveled to only one NATO country, on a brief stopover trip in 2005, and have never traveled to Latin America?"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08073/864842-176.stm

The Oracle's picture

About seven years ago, around the time the Bush administration began illegally wiretapping U.S. citizens without a warrant, another nosy Republican, John Bolton, former U.N. ambassador, recess-appointed, asked the NSA for the unredacted communication intercepts of American citizens the NSA had picked up in their worldwide surveillance net.

Apparently, the NSA, and Condi Rice, were more than willing to provide John Bolton with the NSA traffic which didn't have the names of American citizens crossed out, as required by U.S. law at that time, because John Bolton was curious about what American citizen had said what to whom in what he had seen previously, but redacted.

Nothing that any of the Fascist Republicans do surprises me anymore. Not even the Fascist Republicans who've been hired as private contractors. The Fascist Republicans are curious folks. Very, very, very curious folks. Who believe that the "rule of law" only applies to others. What a bunch creepy, curious folks these Fascist Republicans are.

Vman's picture

abarts @ 26:

Reid and Pelosi start an investigation? HA-HA

Condi's response - "I don't recall"

Cheney's response - "So?"

Shrubs response - " mumpppghmumpghumm ...Jeffey G you taste sweet as Dick's".

sam's picture

FFS, could we please give the "-gate" suffix a rest?

The nutjobs over on Breitbart are going apesht over "Pastorgate" and now I come over here and you've got "Passportgate" :-(

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Karen @ 6:

Why is any of this "stunning" or "incomprehensible?" Honestly, if someone were to have asked me, prior to this story's breaking, whether I thought the State Department was so mismanaged and corrupt that folks there were snooping through Obama's private passport records for some insidious purpose, I would have said, "Yeah."

But did you Karen? Really, I know none of us should be surprised at the level people will stoop to, but to dismiss discussion of corruption in government just because none of should be surprised about it (it's inevitable, it's happened before, it will happen again) is simply lame. Should we all just let it slide since it's just an example of a (posthumously) predictable aspect human nature?

This attitude does not help the preservation of democracy and the Republic. Read the 'Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'. Ever heard the quote 'the worst thing a good person can do in the face of evil is nothing'? What you're saying and doing with your comment is actually worse; you're saying no one should be bothered with it since we all should have known it was bound to happen. In making this comment, you're simply shitting (like a baby) on the thoughts of concerned (and hopefully good) people trying to get to the bottom of things (government officials).

I in no way believe your claim to know what you would have said if someone told you such and such might happen, and I'll make a guess that you haven't really said anything about it.

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Dave @ 132:

Matt Hussein in Texas @ 20:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

There's a name for people like that. They're called Republicans. Don't become what you hate.

They're more like Nazis. Lincoln was a Republican after all - and President Eisenhower.

qfmliii's picture

What a bunch creepy, curious folks these Fascist Republicans are.

Ah yes, but beware the Socialist.

AL Taylor's picture

Do not complain, use your power to return the slight, note all ads, return abuse for abuse.

uncle joe hussein mccarthy's picture

to paraphrase darth cheney.....so????

no one on here (and i include myself) will dare take to the streets and demand that the criminals in washington be brought to justice

and if it is found, that the bush administration is in cahoots with clinton or the dnd, then it is incumbent upon all of us to take up arms and begin the revolution

BURN BABY BURN

no longer a proud american's picture

why should this scandal and breach of constitutional rights be any different than any of the others that have characterized this administration? As long as the media is controlled by the right wing, as it is, there will be no investigation. there will be no impeachment. there will be no incarceration. when the media stops being the toadies that they currently are, then justice will prevail. until then expect more of the same. this is so outrageous that a republican candidate running on more of the same actually has a chance for prolonging the current abyss of this country into eight more years. have we as a nation not endured enough. HIGH GAS PRICES, OWE EVERYTHING FINANCIALLY TO CHINA, LOSS OF PRESTIGE AS A NATION WORLDWIDE, LOSS OF OUR ABILITY TO PROTECT OURSELVES, LOSS OF OUR SERVICE PERSONNEL IN AN UNJUST WAR, RAPE AND PILLAGE OF A COUNTRY UNDER FALSE PRETENSES, WE ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD AND RIGHTFULLY SO. a VOTE for McCain is a vote of confidence in the Bush regime.

Spicegal's picture

Once again, I think it demonstrates there are certain "powers that be" that will stop at nothing, including breaking the law and stealing elections. The people who currently have their claws on power are quite determined to keep it that way. Look what they did to Clinton when he managed to wrestle it away from them. What we've seen time and again with this administration is no accountability, no investigation, and certainly no respect for the rule of law. American democracy is a total joke. Whatever became of America being a country of laws, not men?

WR's picture

funny how nobody is able to read suppeoned emails from cheney and company but obama's file is practically left out on the lunch table for temps to read through. These guys astound me. How do they keep trumping their misdeeds? they're creative, i'll give them that one.

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P.D. @ 19:

I was watching Dan Abrahms until the kids took over the TV. Tucker's comments were laughable. If this were an Democratic adminastration, Tucker and his ilk would be screaming bloody murder. Unbeleivable!

I thought MSNBC "fired" Tucker -- at least took away his show. Didn't they get the memo that he's both stupid & roundly hated? His daddy's got big bucks, so why does he have to continue to draw a paycheck @ MSNBC?

grandpajohn's picture

Being the cynic that I am, I expect that the outrage being expressed here by Joe is an attempt to deflect from his shameful partisan cover up in the investigation of a similar breach of Bills passport records in 92

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