U.S. Death Toll In Iraq Reaches 4000
By Logan Murphy Sunday Mar 23, 2008 8:10amFour U.S. soldiers were killed by a bomb blast in southern Baghdad late Sunday, raising the death toll for American forces since start of the war to 4,000, according to the Pentagon.
The grim milestone was reached less than a week after the fifth anniversary of the U.S. invasion to topple former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and coincided with a spate of violence across Iraq on Sunday that left at least 61 people dead.
The attacks included rockets and mortars fired at Baghdad's U.S.-protected Green Zone and a suicide car bomb detonated at an Iraqi army post in the northern city of Mosul. Read on...
And to this, Dick Cheney says -- "So?" The occupation of Iraq has taken a back seat during the presidential primary season and the media has all but forgotten the ongoing madness we created. Perhaps this sad milestone will ignite more passion, protest and attention to both forgotten battlefields where American, Iraqi and Afghani bodies continue to pile up. Both Democratic candidates need to bring this tragic blunder back to the forefront of their campaigns. And to think, Senator John McCain wants this to keep up for 100 years.
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So...
All while Bush is laughing it up at the White House Correspondents dinner .....[Slide showing Bush looking under some furniture in the oval office]........"Those WMDs gotta be somewhere" ...[audience bursts in laughter].
Can we also include the wounded?
Can we include civilians?
The cost of this war must be visible to those on whose behalf it is being waged.
"the great initiative to fight this war is ours...the great initiative to end it must be ours." MLK
.......or a hundred years.....my friends...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TFKXHiefs
If McCain wasn't for cut and run before he was against it we may not be in this situation today...Sept 11 may have never happened...McCain didn't understand who the enemy was THEN and he doesn't understand NOW...what use does anyone have him as President?
4000 American service men, not including contractors or other civilians.
1,000,000 Iraqis dead. 4,000,000 refugees. 15,000,000 without homes or proper shelter. An entire country without proper running water or reliable electricity.
Sounds like one hell of a Bush job to me.
i feel so torn...
omg the loss!
omg those men and women were just tools of the military industrial congressional mediatainment complex.
some of my online buddies are in the military and i can't say to them, "jeez you are a boob", for believing...fuck living...the lie that the "land of the free home of the brave" is doing right. oh they are all about mcsame because he's a "hero"!!
you know why mcsame got tortured? because he was bombing a third world nation and got caught at it.
he went to war and paid part of the price.
bitter? yes!!
3 of those 4000 people were my old reserve buddies, and god knows how many of my old active duty buddies got it.
To the detriment of every sane person in the Middle East, the Taliban are on the rise in Afghanistan, again. Bush's new motto should be "You can thank me later" [/snark].
JustSickOfIt @ 5:
SO?
Sounds like someone is mad that the surge is working.
j/k
I really hate to say this as I was in the military myself some time ago but for the most part many Americans really couldn't care less about how many military personnel were killed or wounded and that is just reality. The only time they actually show some concern is if that military person happens to be known to them. To them, another casualty is just another blip on a major news outlet's crawler on the bottom of their television screens and nothing more.
"Now that our troops have moved into Baghdad, the entire invasion of Iraq should be completed wrapped up in a matter of days, and American casualties should number no more than 150 or so." -- Rush Limbaugh, March 2003
"With the overwhelming success of the elections in Iraq, the thirst for democracy is going to spread like wildfire throughout the entire Middle East. Mark my words, folks, at the end of the day, George W. Bush will be hailed as the father of democracy in the 21st Century." -- Rush Limbaugh, December 2004
So much for that 98.8% accuracy rating, eh, Rush?
"...American casualties should number no more than 150 or so.” — Rush Limbaugh, March 2003
There's that 'so' word again.
I think the number is closer to 40,000. The government doesn't count the ones that died after they arrived at the German hospital only the ones who died in Iraq. Afghan is another story...
Support the troops my ass. Get the fuck out of a country you have no moral business being in or you will be scarred for life or killed. And when or if you make it back, the criminal government that you fight and die for will say "so".
God Bless Their Souls.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyeS-3Yto9k
Dick @ 1:
......they're not my kids.......
All the dead and injured is a small price to pay for the continued healthy profits of KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater, Raytheon, GE, Exxon-Mobil, and so forth and so forth and so forth and so forth........
snark off.
You know, I keep wondering which soldier I killed with the tax dollars I pay to the Federal Government.......
Joe O. @ 9:
It is sad but true. It is disheartening to think that the country is more worried about Obamas minister or Hillarys' old schedules to think about the mess we have. McSame should be ashamed of his support of war, torture and retraction of our freedoms that he, my father and many others fought for. In 5 years we should at least be able to provide clean water for the Iraqi people. What is Haliburton doing there if not bringing these services like they were contracted to do? What a mess.
Joe O. @ 9:
that is blatantly false. great generalization though, like the one about americans spitting on the vietname vets. that lie spread and still persists today with some people.
that might make you comfortable in your isolation, but maybe you should go out and meet other people.
How sad, but is there an accurate number for the people who were injured in Iraq and later died in another country? From my understanding if you don't die in Iraq you don't count towards this 4000.
Forrestal Gump '08
The Bush Administration are accessories to the death of these 4000 soldiers.
CoIntelPro against the WAR of LIES @ 18:
vietnam vets
Something we need to think about, as we go forward to elect a president; how do the candidates intend on supplying troops in this war? You can bet somewhere, someone, is considering re-introducing the draft. There are barely 175,000 families with service people in the entire war, the brunt being shouldered by few, when many want this war to continue. That is my fear for having a republican elected as president. I would like to know how our democratic candidates, would answer this question, as that is what this election is about for me, just the war.The war affects very facet of our society, economy, education, housing.........
Left&Left @ 21:
not accessories, but perpetrators in all deaths, injuries and others.
CoIntelPro against the WAR of LIES @ 18:
He's right though. I'm a vet now working a regular job around a lot of regular people and while they're mostly liberals and don't like Bush, they really couldn't care less about what's going on. The most popular topic of conversation at work? American Idol.
On Thursday I asked one of the Idol worshippers who our Sec. of Defense is. Answer: Colin Powell.
Chris @ 19:
5 o'clock Charlie misses the target once again.
oops, forgot the link
Forrestal Gump '08
I for one think that number is low.And no one has mentioned lately the number of Iraqi's killed in this war.How many MIA's are there?
CHICAGO (WLS) -- Six anti-war protestors who interrupted Easter mass with Cardinal Francis George will appear in court Monday morning. Six demonstrators were taken into Chicago police custody after throwing fake blood on themselves and parishioners in an apparent war protest.
The three men and three women, members of the anti-war group Catholic School Girls Against War, will spend Sunday night in jail. They have been charged with felony criminal damage to property.
The oldest person arrested was 25 years old and the youngest 18.
George and Laura Bush and Dick and Lynn Cheney want to wish you and especially the families of our fighting men and women a very joyous and happy Easter.
For the soliders themselves, Dick also wanted to say, "So?"
CoIntelPro against the WAR of LIES @ 18:
CoIntelPro against the WAR of LIES @ 18:
Really? Blatantly false eh? Name one of those soldiers that were killed other than Jessica Lynch or Pat Tillman? I've met many people just like you. Oh sure they say they have a lot of concern but its not a concern for the troops themselves. Their concerns lay with the Government that they either scorn or approve of and its that simple. If they approve of the Government's decision they will slap you on the back. If they disapprove they will, in some cases spit on you.
calblue @ 14:
i have several friends who are republicans and when i mentioned the terrible waste of the men and women who died in iraq and afganistan , they become indignant and tell me that its thier job to die because they are profeshional military people ,and thier is no sympathy in thier faces for the fallen !and i have seen the disinterest first hand on american civilians about soldiers loseing thier lives in a war, when i came back from korea the first time some said hey where yah been? havent seen you in a while , i told them id been fighting in korea ! oh theyd reply are they still fighting in korea? nobody cared ,didnt affect them ,they had thier jobs ,and thier familys to worry about , it didnt affect them any unless they faced the draft then they got scared of what was happening, why do you think korea was called the forgotton war? we were forgotton by americans ,
4,000 American dead.
Bountiful Goddess, Mother of Mercy,
Take these warriors to Your bosom,
Comfort those they leave behind;
Conduct them gently to the Land of Youth,
Where there is no more sorrow, no illness
And no pain,
And all is Eternal Spring.
So mote it be.
CafeenMan @ 25:
Agreed. I'm not saying anything that isn't well known to many veterans already.
Joe O. @ 32:
Jessica Lynch would be SHOCKED to hear you call her dead!
McCain/Lieberman '08
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.welt.de/multimedia/arc...
tyree @ 33:
You should look these people in the eye and tell them they are human beings and citizens and it is their job to oppose the war and that if they are too lazy to do their job they are worthless to their country and might as well leave as soon as possible.
McDuff @ 7:
Afghans have admitted there was very little government corruption when the Taliban were running the country, instead of a US puppet running one city and using US cash to bribe warlords into playing "nice". There would be a reasong the Taliban are on the rise then, as Afghans are sick and tired of being target practice scapegoats.
StevePam @ 36:
My mistake, see I do it myself from time to time now that I'm out of the service eventhough I try to keep up with what is going on.
I kind of tore up that last message so I will start fresh.
The media focuses on American Idol, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. Unless people go out of their way to find news of the war, they are left out.
The biggest finger pointers are usually the most guilty. Watch Fox News awhile and you can see what I mean. They have to rally against those wishing to out them so that they are shielded from any attacks on their bigotry and blatant disassociation with the majority that is still searching for its voice. I wonder if Fox News will report on the milestone of 4000 dead American soldiers or the millions of innocent civilians dead or homeless. Will they report on the lack of water or basic human needs that we have spent close to 1 trillion dollars to provide for them. Cheney says "SO" because he got his share and he could give a shit about the rest of us Americans let alone the Iraqi civilians.
mudshark @ 28:
They won't mention the number of Iraqis cuz they don't care. Just a shrug and a talking point.
Joe O. @ 39:
Thats ok... we don't like to call them mistakes anymore though....that would mean you were wrong about something...the new accepted term is "senior moment"
so ya see? You made no mistake at all; )
1 trillion dollars, 5 years, 775 detainees in Guantanamo, 935 false statements made by the administration, about 4,000 dead Americans, 30-50,000 wounded soldiers, over 100,000 soldiers with treated and untreated PTSD, almost a million dead Iraqis, 2 million internally displaced Iraqis and up to 3 million Iraqi refugees who have left the country.
Someone called in to Washington Journal on C-span this morning armed with the total number of Americans killed in other wars to try to put prospective on the lesser number killed in Iraq. He seemed to think 4000 killed was a drop in the bucket to other wars we have been involved in in the past.
I don't understand his logic and reasoning. What he failed to mention was these 4000 died because a few Americans told a lot of Americans nothing but lies. That wasn't an administration's mistake, that was a crime.
TIME maganzine covers:
2003-Apr-17: "What Will It Take To Win?"
2003-Jul-14: "Peace Is Hell--Three months after Baghdad fell, Americans are still struggling to bring order out of chaos. Is this any way to run an occupation?"
2003-Sept-1: "Are We Stretched Too Thin?"
2003-Oct-6: "Mission NOT Accomplished"
2003-Dec-29: "Person of the Year--The American Soldier"
2004-Mar-15: "Looking For A Way Out--Inside The Bush Exit Strategy"
2004-Mar-24" "Moment Of Truth--Does The Presidnet Who Led Us Into Iraq Know How To Lead Us Out?"
2004-Apr-19: "State of Siege"
All of these could be recycled today, 4-5 years later.
Oh yeah, and the genius Michael Duffy's exclusive covers:
2006-Dec-11: "The Iraq Study Group Says It's Time For An Exit Strategy--Why Bush Will Listen"
2008-Jan-31: " "Why The Surge Worked"
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am part of mankind ... and therefore do not send to ask for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." -- John Donne
Rest in peace, you 4,000 brave souls who obeyed your leader, though on an unfortunate mission based on lies. Would that we, the American public, had done better to elect leaders worth following.
most people dont know it but ike was a prick ! i didnt like ike!!!! when the korean war ended isenhower was informed that the north koreans still held 8 hundread american prisoners of war, did he demand thoes american boys be returned? no he didnt! he was more concerned that if he made trouble about these american boys that hed restart the korean war! so they were abandoned by this repig turd, i guess over the yrs they died and were forgotton , god damned that asshole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, the good news is, the media propoganda/brainwashing technique of making McShitStains the annointed Prez continues for those that enjoy this "Occupation" and would like nothing better than to start Surgin' everywhere!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23773941/
So there you have it. How nice. Now you see, McCain is really a Democrat. Think maybe they get some of these talking point memos from the Clinton campaign who never miss a chance to praise him?
L.A. Confidential @ 43:
"So?", Dick Cheney 2008
Let's remember: Iraq is just a "comma" in history.
Thanks again, Busholini!
Iraqi people will greet us with flowers and candy candy candy candy candy candy candy
CafeenMan @ 25:
Well anyone that watches Idol...is a fuckin idiot...total IQ lowering dreck!
The informed libs and some conservatives as well, actually DO care about our soldiers fighting and dying in an unjust and illegal war...the ones who wave the flag, and put the yellow "support the troops" stickers on their SUV's are jingoists at best. THEY are the ones, that through supporting this administration, actually aren't supporting the troops at all. You can be patriotic, and support the troops, AND dissent against the criminal regime in the WH...the two ARE NOT mutually exclusive.
StevePam @ 8:
The surge is working because a man by the name of al-Sadr asks his troopers/fighters to lay down their arms AND THEY DID. Thus they did not fight back.
Bush, Cheney & McCain love to take credit where there is no credit.
L.A. Confidential @ 43:
Shhhhhhh. You embolden the enemy with factual statistics.
darth doesn't regard human life as sacred, it's just another lowlife or another brown person dead. he is so far removed from reality. he's a pathetic dumbass thug. his quick response was silly and makes no sense.
Sen. Obama speech on Iraq.
Another home run! Passion and very presidential.
A poster from England said if we don't want Obama, they would take him.
Go Obama!
Go USA!
Go Richardson!
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 55:
richardson is just an asslicker!!!!!!!!!!!! if he thought clinton was going to win hed be munching on the clintons asses!
4,000 dead is not acceptable.
And it's one two three what are we fighting for?
And Cheney says "SO" to all Americans who disagree with the cardiac bastard.
abob @ 57:
But Bush said we couldn't wait until Saddam got the Mushroom Cloud.
L.A. Confidential @ 58:
Actually, that would be an excellent question to ask my government. The only peep in the media we hear from them regarding Afghanistan, is "we must continue the mission" and "we will not surrender to terrorism".......they have never said exactly what that mission is, to anyone, including our troops.
abob @ 57:
Guess they always could have continued the bombing runs so popular under Bush1 and Clinton. Then they would never have had to worry about images in the media of any troops getting killed.
rain @ 53:
rain @ 53:
Agreed...my post ended with just kidding...
They say we asked al-sadr/told al-sadr...we BOUGHT al-sadr and his men with weapons and BORROWED money for him and any other group that was too tough for the limited capacity of the current cammander in chief.
THATS why it's soooo important to keep the money comming! This alone has barely propped up the so called surge sucscess.
I hear we are in arrears!
pissed off patricia @ 44:
Who was this asshole?
4, 4,000, or 4,000,000, dead is dead. If it was for a lie, it's obscene and disgusting. Trying to quantitatively measure it is also obscene and disgusting.
I'd like to put these people in a room with a few of the families of the deceased and see them try to sputter their way out of the subject with a bunch of mathematical equivalencies.
tyree @ 56:
At least he's not licking the ass of a negative loser. Obama 08!!!
Left&Left @ 65:
an ass kissers still just an ass kisser!!!!!!!!!!!!
ConcernedCanuck @ 61:
Exactly!! They also continually change what the definition of victory is. First it was to rid them of Weapons of Mass Destruction that they didn't have (check that as done), then it was to rid them of Saddam Hussein (check that as done) then it was to ensure democratic elections (check that as done).
How come we haven't declared VICTORY and brought our troops home????
oh and kucinich 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tyree @ 66:
Oh YEAH?
Well...... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... to you too.
tyree @ 56:
Speaking of ass licking, didn't BOTH Clinton's as late as last week, call and BEG Richardson for his "MEANINGLESS" support? Seems like Hillary licked ass for nothing. Aaahahahahahaha!!!!!
StevePam @ 69:
now your hurting my feelings!!!!!!!!!!!! not
abob @ 57:
Bush and McCain agree. They need way more people to die before they're satisfied.
Left&Left @ 65:
Whatever some think Richardson may or may not be...truth is, his experience is very valuable to whomever gets into the WH.
MoveForward @ 67:
Maybe they don't have a clue what a "victory" is either? Maybe real "victory" is when ALL the oil in the region is liberated into American hands? It would be nice if someone in the media, anyone, would actually ask and keep asking for a straight answer on the definition of victory.
tyree @ 68:
Didn't Kucinich encourage his voters to support Obama? On that basis, if you truly respect "your" candidate, join us. Obama 08! Aaahahahahahaha!!!!
Question- How did Bush cower the media into not showing the coffins that are returning from the war?
tyree @ 71:
Well I certainly couldn't dispute the shear substance of your post so I was reduced to ridicule your punctuation is all.(rolleyes)
No more peanuts for YOU..... back under the bridge you go.
ProgressorDie @ 76:
I think the coffins are unloaded at night in areas where the media cannot go.
StevePam @ 77:
Left&Left @ 75:
when are you assholes that need every i to be dotted and every comma to be just in the right place that its not nice to ridicle a persons ability to write well? you people scare me!
ConcernedCanuck @ 38:
Makes sense. I was under the impression the Taliban were imposing their rule on the Afghans. I've learned something new today.
MoveForward @ 40:
We find out that Sean Hannity has connections with a neo-nazi last week. That is our media.
tyree @ 79:
Nice counterpoint. CHANGE THE ARGUMENT. You fool.
tyree @ 56:
I don't think so. Richardson agrees where Obama is coming from. Just this morning on joe]s show, Richardson said he was tired of hillary believing she's entitled to the nomination.
Left&Left @ 82:
no your the fool !ive seen this all before when the germans were slobbering at the mouth over adolph hitler and no one could critisize him , while pricks like you were in high school trying to get thier first lay i was crawling up a snow coverd hill in north korea or loading a three inch fifty on a destroyer fighting the chinese , you think im scared or impressed with you fanatics , not hardly!!!!!!!!!!
Left&Left@70
Jolly good comment.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
McDuff @ 80:
I was under the impression that the Taliban were the evil Afghanistan Al Keeduh, but listening to Afghans on CBC special kind of changed my view. From that documentary, business owners in Afghanistan stated that in order to stay in business, they have to pay bribes to everyone in government, including judges. And get this, the guy that is supposed to investigate this corruption was appointed. And he is Taliban. AND he actually is attempting to do the job.
tyree @ 84:
Obama to Hitler? Great. Oh and thank you for your service in another aggressive, violent, imperialist US land grab.
L.A. Confidential @ 58:
To finish...
Don't ask them, they don't give a damn.
They ran away from Vietnam.
Song still works.
liberalHUSEEINmoderation @ 52:
The key word there is "informed". They are informed because they want to know what is happening and they want to know who has paid the ultimate price for our Government's actions. That type of American is few and far between however. Many Americans though, simply do not care and that is part of the problem. In fact, that is what the Bush Administration is counting on. What I am saying is that if that continues we will hear people like Cheney continue to say "So?" Followed by "What are you going to do about it?"
Left&Left @ 87:
it only shows your ignorence ,land grab? because of guys like me millions of koreans live in freedom ! at least thier not eating grass to stay alive like the north koreans are!!!!land grab wtf you talking about thiers no oil in korea and not much worth dieing for except the freedom of the south korean people, at least when i go back to south korea the people treat me like a friend , i dont think an iraqy veteran will be treated as a liberator!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tyree @ 84:
Easy there Grandpa...
Just because your candidate is losing there is no need to blow a gasket. That is what primaries are for, given the choice between Obama and Hillary, more Dems are picking Obama. I crabby-land that may known as "being fanatic" in the real world we refer to it as "following the democratic process."
Rusty Shackleford @ 78:
Yesterday I just watched the movie Southland Tales. Weird. A little like The Fifth Element. Except closer to home. And there were prominent sequences of coffins being unloaded. I looked around for some understanding of why I barely even heard of this movie (staring Dwayne Johnson, Seann William Scott, and Sarah Michelle Gellar!) and as near as I can tell it hits too close to home. It shows a United States politically dominated by brain-dead trailer trash, feeding its young into the gaping maw of an endless war, focused in its media on pointless trivialities.
Just like real life. It's a little science fictiony, but not very much.
The Dude @ 91:
dont call me granpa , the dnc and the repigs gave you obama and clinton and you let them !
tyree @ 90:
Do you suppose Iraqi Vets will talk about the Iraqi Occupation the same as Korean Vets do Korea? Or Vietnam Vets talk about Vietnam? It's amazing that veterans always quote the government line years after every "war" as if all is fact. Is it the exposure to the violence and bombs going off that does this?
From reading your posts tyree I have no doubt you believe in what you did and I'm not trying to slam you here either, so please don't take it that way. It's just curious how war vets always quote the government lines after wars end.
Logan,
I'd rather see a picture used with this story showing the caskets coming back as baggage on commercial airlines as was widely reported.
Oh, right... we don't have any pictures of those...
"My son was returned to me from Iraq on a commercial air craft as cargo. His plane landed at 4:45pm, April 21, 2005, at Charlotte Douglas Airport, Charlotte, NC. Four hours later, 8:45pm, 4 hours after the animals, luggage and cargo had been unloaded, the aircraft was parked and Steven remained on the belly of the plane until after dark. His body was unloaded by airport personal."
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=679
Support the Troops!
tyree @ 90:
It's that type of "I wear the white hat and right is aways on my side" arrogant bullshit interference that gets us in trouble all over the world. I'm sure jerks like you feel saved my black ass from eating bugs in Africa by enslaving me. Fool.
tyree @ 33:
I am sorry that you have been ill-treated because of your service in Korea. It is true that Korean War veterans received little support. It is true that many think it is the duty of the military to die for their country, however, that is part of a bait-and-switch that recruiters pull. Recruiters talk about college tuition, job training, life experience with recruits, but NOT about even the possibility of dying. Many of the troops in Iraq are National Guard and Reservists who originally joined to support the regular military stateside, not die in a foreign country. We live under a smoke-and-mirrors administration.
tyree @ 93:
For what it is worth neither Hillary nor Obama were my cup of tea, as they are way too conservative for my taste. However, it is quite the stretch to compare or try to find any sort of parallelism between those supporting his candidacy and the frame of mind of those attending the Nüremberg rallies...
The fact of the matter of this. One of the reasons why Iraq has been pushed to the side in news? The defenders of the war were WRONG! The news cheerleaders were WRONG! And what does one do when they're wrong? Admit their mistake? Hardly. CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!
When I mentioned to a friend of mine the concept of silent consonant R (silent republicans), she told me that her brother (staunch defender of republicans) didn't talk about the war anymore. Every time she would bring up Iraq, he would change the subject. Of course, people are losing jobs and houses now. But the bottom line is that most Americans aren't talking about Iraq because most of them were wrong and they know it.
We
Are
Really war criminals.
ConcernedCanuck @ 94:
As a Viet Nam combat vet, I know very few vets who spout the goverment line. I guess you don't know to many vets, if you believe what you stated. Also you can't lump Korea with Irag or Viet Nam. Not all wars are fought for the same reasons. Korea may have been called the forgotten war, but it was a just war, if there is anything just about war.
ConcernedCanuck @ 94:
im under no illushions that the us government caused the korean war, and the reason for that war is still not shown in history books , why? because the history books that kids learn from only devote fifteen sentences to the history of the korean war , and we now know that it was our sectrary of state who helped start that war by declareing that america would not defend any country in the pacific past the phillipines , even though we had a treaty with south korea to defend them in the event of an invashion from the north! that gave kim l sung the green light to attack the people of south korea and he did, i didnt swallow any american propaganda but i saw the civillians being slaughtered by the north koreans , and saw our guys trying to hold the north koreans back buying time with thier lives with old equipment and being outnumbered by the enemy by ten to one odds and with tanks when we had none! the south koreans fighting threw thierselves under thoes tanks with explosives tied to thier chests , now people like that had to be saved!!!!!!!!!
That's a 4 followed by a 'comma' (Iraq is 'just a comma') and three 'zeroes' (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld).
Rusty Shackleford @ 78:
Prime Minister Harper tried to do the same thing that Bush has done. Strange thing though all the families told him basically to get bent. All Canadian war dead from Afganistan are received at CFB Trenton with full media coverage for the ceremony.
Left&Left @ 96:
Left&Left @ 96:
no im sure if you need bugs you can gather them from your bedding!!!
Jason @ 12:
Uh...yes, they do. anyone who dies of Iraq-related reasons is counted as a casualty of the war. This isn't meant to justify anything this administration does, just to correct a misstatement.
MoveForward @ 17:
What is Halliburton doing? Why, electrocuting american GI's (through their surrogate, KBR).
slippy hussein toad @ 92:
Hmmm...interesting...I'll give that one a look see. Thanks.
StevePam @ 36:
Guess that's the point of it all, right?
tyree @ 105:
I don't think Left & Left lives at Fox studios.
Monkey killing monkey killing monkey
over pieces of the ground
Silly monkey give them thumbs
they make a club, beat their brothers down.
.........TOOL
Joe O. @ 89:
As much as part of me doesn't want to agree with you...I have to...America is full of blind, ignorant consumers...just how the guvment wants it...
If Dick "Shotgun" Cheney ever actually said that....hoooo boy! That might actually stir up some shit.
tyree @ 105:
Tyree, I'm not arguing with you anymore. If you truly believe in the liberty that you fought for, you should stop slamming Obama and disrespecting his supporters because he is winning fairly through the Democratic process. Besides, if you keel over and die from a heart attack because you're angry with me, I don't CSI banging on my door as an accessory.
Mike the Canuck @ 104:
I'm glad some in the North American continent are still capable of keeping their politicians in line.
We're f*****
Regards,
The U.S. of A.
The best punishment for Cheney would be to lock him in a room with a key to exit a hatch that leads to a corridor filled with Microwave emitters that turn on and run perpetually...if he survives, he can go free...to the next room, with another key to another hatch...ad infinitum.
liberalHUSEEINmoderation @ 73:
And it's for just that reason that he didn't need to endorse anyone. There would have been a spot for him in the government if either Hillary or Obama won. Byu endorsing Obama, he's actually limited his chances. Personally, I think Obama will win, but I think it's obvious that Richardson endorsed him because he believes in him, not for some personal gain.
Left&Left @ 113:
thier is no democratic process !thiers only the corporate process!!!!!!!!!!!!!and i dont appreciate being called a fool just because i dont follow barack obama!!!!!!!!!!! your going to lose this election either by fraud or by being fanatics ! either way john mccains laughing all the way to the whitehouse!and you can tell me im wrong only if obama wins!!
You guys better lay off tyree - he's been here a hell of a lot longer than any of you have and he's always had a good comment to contribute. He's not a troll and he's not ignorant. If anyone has a problem with tyree, they've got one with me too.
Just sayin...
diamondmc @ 101:
Perhaps you are right. I wasn't merely trying to lump all vets together, just finding it odd the way vets talk. As for not knowing many vets, um, ya I do. I am a member of the Canadian Legion and chat with them all the time and yes, they do speak the government lines from their day in one sentence, then call them lying bastards in the next. You think Korea was a just war? I was of the impression that Korea, Vietnam and Iraq all had one thing in common. A terrible enemy to be feared because the enemy is ruthless, bloodthirsty savages that kill the innocent.
tyree @ 79:
You know what scares me? It's when native-born Americans, who are too ignorant to learn basic grammar skills and spelling, are actually considered qualified to participate in the selection of the president.
thnx bud!!!
bajasteve @ 120:
Well shit, We have a President that already meets that criteria...why stop the other Morons from voting?
tyree @ 84:
So, were those the Chinese that were fighting for Adolf Hitler, or what?
Bud @ 118:
Good refereeing!! I agree with alot of things Tyree says. People that support any of the candidates by cheerleading too hard DO come off as fanatical.
Janet Hussein @ 88:
Another song from the Vietnam years works very well today too: Steppenwolf's "Monster" If you can get ahold of it, check it out.
Bud @ 118:
I believe the same is said about Hillary and that Obama should lay off
Just sayin'...
ConcernedCanuck @ 119:
the north koreans were brutal , thier was no simpathy in them! after takeing over one of our positions they killed the wounded then made any abled body man carry thier weapons and supplies up to thier positions , in the heat of july ,giveing them no food or wather in one hundred degrees heat , then when we retook some positions they found the servivors with thier hands tied behind them with commo wire and shot in the back of the head! thats only one attrocity among many that happened in korea!
ConcernedCanuck @ 94:
Nice generalization from an obvious non-vet. Ever hear of a little organization called VVAW (Vietnam Vets Against the War)? Or Winter Soldier?
Hint: learn whereof you speak, before you make an ass of yourself.
Verdillac @ 126:
That should not however reflect any attitude I may have regarding Tyree, however...
He has some valid points, but time served at a blog does not merit repect. Otherwise every veteran Troll will expect the same.
Bud @ 118:
Me too! But it looks like Tyree has things under control........no Im sure if you need bugs you can collect them from your bedding......hee hee :-)
What I see as a tragedy will be numbers 4,001 thru 4,999 who will be relatively ignored by the MSM.
tyree @ 127:
I have a Canadian Korean War Vet that lives just a few blocks from me. I've heard similar atrocities from him. I apologise if you took my posts the wrong way Tyree. That was not my intention.
Bud @ 118:
Ah...put 'em up, I dares ya.
Shrub -- the drunken AWOL frat boy -- is a war criminal and mass murderer who should be strung up on a lamppost.
ConcernedCanuck @ 131:
no canuck i took no offence from your posts !!!
Radically Moderate @ 130:
Keith Olbermann will not ignore it.
but, oh yeah, too many are bored with him now, so now he's a blowhard...
Now that we're acclimated to his rage, we (collectively) are looking for a stronger fix.
In Time. we'll take the war so for granted that we'll groan with boredom that [insert vapid entertainment here] is pre-empted to report the latest tally of war dead.
bajasteve @ 128:
Having a difference of opinion doesn't make an ass of anyone so don't assume to know me.
The North Koreans are still brutal and the Korean war has not ended..it's still in a state of cease-fire, or it was last I checked. Shit could fly again at any given moment.
bajasteve @ 116:
Fair enough...I don't think he limited his chances though...I HOPE like hell that Obama will win...and yeah, I agree Richardson backs Obama for that reason.
Where is McSame going to find more troops to wage his war against Iran?
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/32055
Dick @ 1:
What will Dick say when he's sentenced to a loooooong prison term? So?
President Obama or President Clinton should send him to Gitmo after he's convicted.
two things. I'm certain that number is a false number provided for brainless public consumption. 4,000...what a tidy number. Besides, if returning coffins are sanitized out of view, they don't exist in the mind of the public.
Then there is no mention of the million-plus innocent Iraqis that are pointlessly dead and plunged into depths of exponential grief around each, unless, that is, we have done the merciful thing and killed a person and everyone who knew and loved them.
This country with the shame of Cheney, the death-dealing goon is a MONSTER let loose on the world. What grotesquery of twisted perceptions we are fed as we try not to choke in our perceptual slumber.
Bush isn't bothered, nor is his mother. They have to get on with their own lives. Obla-di, Obla-da, life goes on ... for them:
http://www.airfarceone.net/lifegoeson.html
This is what the BBC is reporting about the Green Zone attack:
Let the spin begin!
Iran 'behind Green Zone attack'
The most senior US general in Iraq has said he has evidence that Iran was behind Sunday's bombardment of Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone.
Gen David Petraeus told the BBC he thought Tehran had trained, equipped and funded insurgents who fired the barrage of mortars and rockets.
He said Iran was adding what he described as "lethal accelerants" to a very combustible mix.
There has as yet been no response from Iran to the accusations.
Cheney spent Wednesday, the 5th anniversary of the war, not mourning the dead he killed, but fishing off the Sultan of Oman's royal yacht. So? Ask your favorite Republican what they think of that.
bajasteve @ 120:
i find this statement very funny!!!!! im sure that most of the soldiers who fought for this very what used to be a democracy were just poor ignorent unlearned fools who were not worthy of forming an opinnion on who should be a president!!! jesus you and everyone here owe your democracy to what was called by the brittish A RABBLE IN ARMS! and id give you odds very few that suffered that cold winter at vally forge or fought on bunker hill saratoga trenton yorktown had even seen the inside of a college!!!!!
pissed off patricia @ 44:
I think many people (especially republicans) leave their brains in neutral while their mouth's are running. No logic or reasoning behind their ability to defend the indefensible. As long as the stupidity comes from the GOP, it must be OK.
I was talking to a brother-in-law and explaining to him the incompetence and criminality of the Bush administration. All he did was spew GOP talking points, which I destroyed issue by issue, referring him to articles and government data on the internet. He just looked at me with glazed-over eyes as though he had never exeprienced logical thinking in his entire life. When we were done, he said that everything I explained to him made sense and was troubling. Next day, he was repeating the same GOP talking points. This is why I will never underestimate the ability of the American people to elect another republican moron.
Y2K, why3K, why4K
pissed off patricia @ 44:
They'll try to point out single battles in the Civil War and perhaps even World War II where the casualty would be around 5000. The fact of the matter was many didn't die on the field but of various diseases like dysentery and infections from their wounds.
Now if today's medicine was available back in the 1860's who's casualty rates would we be drawing comparisons to, Thermopylae?
ConcernedCanuck @ 136:
You didn't voice an opinion; you made a statement of supposed fact. To wit: "It's amazing that veterans always quote the government line years after every "war" as if all is fact."
That's not an opinion; you are making a statement that has NO basis in fact. That alone exposes your lack of experience in the subject of which you speak. Once again, learn whereof you speak, before you make an ass of yourself.
Right before seeing again this "4000" figure ... I was reading about how soldiers who die from their injuries in Iraq away from Iraq ... are not counted in official numbers.
I've oft heard this ... and fear that these official numbers do not accurately give the scope of American losses in this amoral invasion and occupation of Iraq.
The Raw Story | Mother fights Army over sons death
Thanks Crooks & Liars for all your excellent video clips ... watching Jon Stewart's March 20th recap of the 5 years of War said it all!
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