On Pat Buchanan's Unbearable Whiteness Of Being
By Nicole Belle Monday Mar 24, 2008 5:55pmPat Buchanan wrote an op-ed that literally made me sick to my stomach.
What is wrong with Barack's prognosis and Barack's cure?
Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, "everybody but the rioters themselves."[..]
Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.
Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.
This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:
First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.
Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.
Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.
Hopefully, you've been able to retain your lunch while reading. I've known that Pat Buchanan was a little nuts with his isolationist rhetoric, but I had no idea just how isolationist he actually was--he really doesn't want anyone who doesn't look like him in this country, does he?. This reads like something white supremist Sam Francis would write, and as it turns out, Francis was a mentor to Buchanan.
Pam's House Blend has a response to Buchanan (and really, should he still be getting gigs on EVERY MSNBC show with this kind of open racist attitude?):
Thanks, Pat. We've gotten the old "lift up" message, all right. How could people like Buchanan listen to the same speech and walk away with this level of vitriol in their heart and purposeful ignorance of history? Our country suffers an incredible sickness when it comes to race relations. The point of Obama's speech is that we all have work to do, and share responsibility in opening up an adult dialog. The above does nothing to advance understanding, and shows no desire to do so either.
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Obama, you've got a helluva lot of work ahead of you.
PS - I'm white and Pat Buchanan does NOT speak for me. Maybe it's time for the silent majority to start writing some email to Pat and his employers!
okay, you saw it coming. Fuck Pat Buchanan!!!
Yes, please, let's have a long conversation about how much good white people have done for black people and how thankful blacks ought to be.
I'm sure that will be very constructive and in no way distracting.
Besides, what other issues do we have to talk about? It's not like we're at war anymore, thanks to the Surge(tm)!
Yes, let's just keep picking at this scab.
The very same pat buchanan that was nixon's speechwriter, nicknamed "Mr. Outside", who along with Kevin Phillips promoted nixon's racist "Southern Stategy".
Pat has zero credibility on issue.
So don't worry Black America! Just remember all the good things white people have done for you in this great land! doesn't matter if it's not really true, it's just good enough because a white man said it!
thank goodness these idiots don't see the revolution coming.
Woah. He really said that.
I hope he's made to answer to that.
Buchanan's creds are as impressive as his comb-over.
I HATE it when members of the majority of whatever pretend not to see the benefits of that majority because they assume they are the norm.
This is how it breaks down for me: It's ALL about equal treatment before the LAW. And as long as black people, justified or not fear the police, then there IS a race problem that needs to be addressed.
I'm sick of the likes of Buchanan, people who have had everything
handed to them from Mommy and Daddy Warbucks without ever
having to lift a finger to do anything in their silver spoon lives except
maybe to pick their noses.
Buchanan is sick in the head, and not on this issue alone!
This is amazing. He is so out of touch. There was an excellent interview today on TOTN with author of "Slavery by Another Name," Douglas Blackmon of the Wall Street Journal. I had no idea that 80 years after the abolishment of slavery, there was still slavery.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89051115
I still scratch my head WHY any respectable news channel would put an obvious racist like Pat on their show!!!
OH I know, they want to show 'the other side.' Good balance, MSM!
So Buchanan goes after Obama for wanting to openly talk about race in this country as a healing venture, and Buchanan lectures and admonishes him for PAST behavior of blacks? How's your side of the looking glass look?
Nearly simultaneously, in the "Going out in a blaze of glory" cannon fire of presidential politics, I see where Hillary today stated (paraphrasing extremely loosely here) "Yes, you know what, I think I WILL have a comment on Rev. Wright afterall, thank you very much."
Meantime, the quasi-state police forces across the nation (you know, the Blackwater dudes that have been training on our nickel in Iraq) practice their martial law & riot control methods, in anticipation of the all-out civil war that will undoubtedly come....just in time for Bush to declare martial law, freeze the elections until "a more prudent time" and toss millions into jail for crimes that, under the (un)Patriot Act, are tanamount to "terrorist" threats.
Seriously, we DO need to talk folks. If we all collectively fall for this attempt to stir up race riots and civil unrest, we ARE the dumbest planet on the face of the Earth.
Then again, our top guys in the US Air Force DID accidently ship missile fuses instead of,oh, I don't know - Pop Tarts - or some shit just as important. Nice job. While we're at it, why not send some portable dirty bombs to the Dalai Lama. Looks as if he could use them about now.
And the worst thing is, it seems like this clown is being cloned!
it's time to organize against pat buchanan and have this
racist pulled from all tv,cable and radio. this kind
of bullshit can not be tolerated at any level.
pat is an example why constant monitoring of racists
people and groups in this country must be stopped
and deminished.
pat is just another low-life reichwingneocon bastard.
"Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream."
I had absolutely no idea that all of these were solely for black people. I must have lied on my application for a student loan and just don't remember doing it.
While we're at it, we really are expecting a thank you from the passenger pigeon. It used to be so HARD for them to find nesting space, but now there's no competition for space...
Hilzoy at Obsidian Wings has a great response up to Buchanan's screed. Well worth the read.
In general, I prefer Buchanan to Rush or Hannity or Glenn Beck or any of the current crop, but that is kind of like preferring drowning to being burned alive. I don't really want either one to happen.
LOL- I wrote "planet" instead of "people".....DUH!
"dumbest planet on the face of the Earth"....good one professor!!!
Po Pat, he ain't seen nuttin' yet...Obama is now channeling John Brown's ghost as a Religious adviser. See Pat run..run Pat run.
We never shoulda let them iggerant Irish in here, neither.
Since Obama is getting attacked by Pat Buchanan (who claims Jews weren't gassed at Treblinka) for not leaving his church because of Wright, one should ask Buchanan why he didn't leave the Nixon White House when Tricky Dick said that black had just come down from the trees. Or why he won't leave the Catholic Church that (a) has a Hitler Youth member as its Pope (b) supported Hitler, Mussolini and Franco and (c) covers up for its pedophile priests.
I wish one of the other talking heads would ask him.
There is no 'Them'. There is just 'Us'.
oh yes, Pat Buchanan is now and always has been a white supremecist. Molly Ivins said of one of his speeches that it "probably sounded better in the original German." hehe, that's good stuff. MSNBC grossly overestimates public demand to hear Pat Buchanan opining about race, of all things. its like asking Jeffery Dahmer about how to reduce cannibalism.
What a racist dumbass. Are African-Americans supposed to thank the might white man? Get real.
This gold member to the KKK believe
These are the type of folks Rev. Wright talks about.
If you have a problem with Rev. Wright message then you're on the wrong side.
Seems like the GOP theme song should be a "Whiter Shade of Pale."
I am sick of this country. I guess I am just un-american. The one that is good from all this that the ugliness of racism is full out and in the open. The racists are no longer hiding under their white sheets.
Captain America @ 13:
Because 'news' channels (if you really want to call them that) are not respectable
and have not been respectable or been news channels for quite some time.
MSNBC needs people like Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough to say the things they are thinking and saying in the beauty and barber shops but don't say out loud.
It's the job of the mainstream media to keep the dumb bigots in line. They do a pretty good job.
I definitely thought Obama's speech was very fair in addressing the racial anxieties of both whites and blacks. Yes, he talked about some of the roots of "black anger", but he also acknowledged the fair and justified frustration of whites who suffer the blame of racism without having ever commited it; the kind of grief I'm sure Pat Buchannan feels. I don't think Pat is racist, but he is apallingly narrow in perspective, utterly unable to identify with anyone's experience but his own. This surprises me from a guy who's obviously pretty intelligent; his skill with political analysis, even when forced to predict bad news for his own party, is extemely insightful, and I love hearing his commentaries.
Imagine the obscurity to which any public figure of color would be consigned for saying something this malignant. The fact that Buchanan is still considered a mainstream pundit proves that structural racism is alive and well in America.
We get to hear from pasty old White Guys like Pat about 15 hours a day, according to my calculations.
Pat B is a legend in his poor pathetic excuse for a mind. This old throwback to the sixties is like many of the idiotic evangelicals , he has failed to evolve and never will. I never have understood why some seem to think is a wise old sage of the republican party, all I see is an ignorant horses ass with opinions that never did make any sense . I wish the networks would find younger and smarter pundits to talk to , ones that would be worth listening to
I know they are out there , I'm almost 60 but I am sure ready for a more relevant generation of thinkers . This old man really needs to pack it in and give us a break , PLEASE......
Put Buchanan in a cage match with John Hagee and let two fat fucks kill each other.
I, for one, am glad Buchanan said what he did. I want his racist feelings out in the open where we can see him for the fool that he is. Before the Pastor Wright revelations I had been worried because I knew those racists were out there, but they had been very quiet. I wish this sickness didn't exist, but it does and I'm much more comfortable having them out in the open than in the closet. People like Buchanan can't help himself. He's to be pitied.
i am sorry to say Pat, but Black Americans did not volunteer to come to America.
And i must have missed the point of them being offered christian salvation. I thought they were carted here like animals to work for 300 years without pay, to have their newborns auctioned off at weaning and have their women violated at the compassion white master's whims. oh i forgot the beatings and lynchings of those who dared disobey or aspire in some way for the freedom to decide their own destinies.
Does Pat really think 20 years of affirmative action is enough to redress a 300 years of untold abuse. Does he forget that as slaves, literacy was a punishable offense? And does he believe that things will change so quickly now that the whites have decided that blacks should get their act together and go to school, that it will be so easy, to redirect with their new found moral highground, a disconnected and long abused people who grasp in the world for a sense of place?
Oh and as an african. i can speak for myself and my ancestors that we were quite happy as we were and did not tender europe or anyone else any invitation to come and enlighten us in their ways. we were happy farming and hunting and governing ourselves and living in harmony with our environment.
We did not tender an invitation to be enslaved in colonization or offer our nations as proxy battlefields for resource fights during the cold war. we did not offer up our lands to be mined for gold and diamonds to fuel european/western greed. But we fell to you, by the violence of your guns and the subtlety of your intrigue. Masquerading you came as helpers and preachers to rape and destroy and plunder not only africa, but the Americas and much of the rest of the world. For your own base and eccentric needs, did you force yourself to suck at the black mother's breasts, like abominable bastard children and now grown fat on 300 years of free labor, and centuries of global exploitation, you boast and claim the moral highground, and spit in the face of the very ones who you forced to feed you, and raise your children.
I do not mean this as a slight to white people. there have always been good people in every race. But i see in Pat Buchanan, the demon essence, whose hands plundered the world and whose greedy, insatiable minds, leads the world steadily to doom...
Much of the world was in harmony, before the likes of Columbus set out from their shores, to get rich at all cost. and the domino effect they set in motion precipitated the sacking and the destruction of many harmonious and ancient cultures....and now the world stands in peril, because this fatted insatiable baby, will not stop eating and devouring until the world is consumed...
"Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans."
Yeah, lots and lots of lynchings. You can swing from a tree in Africa or America; take your pick. What a f*cking racist this guy is, yet he gets unlimited air time on all of our major news outlets. America is a racist nation.
"Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream."
Right, and these programs weren't for all poor people, just black people. Black or white, let's stack those numbers up against all the money America has spent on war and killing during the same period of time. So much for Christian salvation.
Buchanan really is a disgusting character, and it amazes me that he continues to get his TV pundit gigs. Wow, everything he cites as the things that "White America" did for the blacks were initiates by progressive/liberal Dems AND Republicans (remember them?) and fought bitterly by pieces of shit like Pat Buchanan. I guess his side gets credit for the slavery and racial and economic oppression part...
Freakin' ingrates!!
Did we charge the Blacks for their passage on the cruise ship from Africa to the New World? NO!!
Did we charge the Native Americans for those fine microbially challenged blankets we gave them? NO!!
Have they shown us their gratitude for our generousity? HELL NO!!
Can you understand why Pat's feelings are hurt? I HOPE SO!!
ashton @ 17:
i must have lied also when i applied for food stamps and unemployment. being white,
i guess i missed the box to check stating welfare is for black only. give me a break, thousands on the welfare roles are white. welfare is not a black social program.
ashton @ 17:
All those programs are for people that are poor or oppress and they are still around. So much for patty's help.
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not!! @ 40:
i think we should charge you for the used douche water you are drinking.
"the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known."
Can Buchanan explain this one to me? How the hell does he know this?
Pat Buchanan is supposed to be a heckuva nice guy in person. Great guy to have a couple of beers with. So, every few years, when he says something unspeakably evil, all his beltway buddies, left and right, rally round him. It's like the Imus phenomenon times 10. I'm sure he is great fun to be around, but he's also undeniably a racist and a homophobe. Oh, I forgot, hes a nazi-lover, too. And there is no good reason his views should be perpetuated in the mainstream media.
dadams @ 43:
Okay, as long as you're wiling to sign up for a "Recognizing sarcasm when it smacks you up alongside the head" class. Deal?
Maybe Obama won't be so anxious to "reach across the aisle" as Buchanan types will just cut off his hand.
Clearly, Buchanan has been a crackpot for a very long time. Why anyone would continue to give this fool air time in order to make a flaming idiot of himself and the station he's on is beyond comprehension.
He's also a racist pig and shows no bones about it. This is precisely the attitude Obama has been talking about. The white supremacist racist pigs.
Fuck you, Pat. You hear me?
Pat is certainly not alone.That unbearably phony Lou Dobbs has also saddled up his high horse for yet another cantor around Camp Closet Racist.Fuck you and your big square teeth Lou.
And Washington, DC is the sodom and the white house is the gamorrah and, as we all can see, the two factions are intent on self-destruction.
Chicken "Hussein" Little - Not!! @ 46:
i recognize sarcasm, but your is just veiled racism.....really
Job Number One.
Keeping ones sanity in a world gone crazy.
Scott @ 31:
White rage is stupid backdoor bs. It's nonexistent. As long as whites benefit from slavery and Black oppression its a piece of the racist pie whites must eat.
The white southern elite are still trying to collect on the free transportation of the blacks from Africa. Will the blacks ever be able to pay off the debt they owe the slave masters? Now the elite are looking for the middle class to help pay off this debt of the blacks.
Sarcasm
dadams @ 52:
chicken hussein... i am black( for context). that was funny. and i saw the sarcasm
I used to be a fan of Lou Dobbs because it would appear that he spoke the truth when it came to the dastardly evil deeds of the Bush Administration; however, I am now seeing another side to Mr. Dobbs - the ugly american/the racist pig side which, frankly, I find shocking. I knew he wasn't particularly keen on the illegal alien issues but now his hatred for anything but a white american is rearing it's ugly head.
And it's making Lou Dobbs look like one ugly sonovabitch, too. Lou: Get a better hairdresser and quit the dye jobs. It makes you look like a light in the loafers moron whose only sense of self and spine revolves around making scathingly discriminatory remarks.
Lou Dobbs should be sued by the ACLU.
Che's Lounge @ 47:
Couple of observations about Obama:
1) Thus far he seems to have the ability to deflect attempts to cut off his head or any other appendage.
2) Somehow he is able maintain the high ground while "gently" disarming the attempted political assassins.
He's not perfect, I don't agree with some of his actions or views, He's a freakin' politician for pete's sake, He's also our only hope in this election.
rustedspear @ 56:
so this won't go any further, we have a difference of opinion, nothing more.
the clintons are spewing just as much racist nonsense, only its less explicit, if no less vitriolic....witness todays attacks on reverend wright.....
i suppose you could argue the clintons are motivated for more noble (if no less selfish) reasons....but at the core, it's all the same
To quote the United Negro College Fund, Pat, you're living proof that a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Or maybe Dan Quayle was talking about you when he paraphrased "what a terrible thing it is to lose your mind?"
rustedspear @ 56:
Wow (heavy sigh), the fact that anybody could take that seriously is profoundly distressing. Glad you got a chuckle, if I stop making fun of these pinheads I might just curl up in the fetal position and go catatonic. It's either poke fun at them or howl in frustration, my throat's sore so I'll keep poking.
It's Pam Spaulding who should be getting the tv gigs instead of Pat!
Old, White, RePIGlic, Christian, Men.
The more the world changes - the more they stay the same.
They're TERRIFIED.
*
God, I hope we hear from the white men about this. I wake up on Sunday mornings and I listen to the talking heads shows, and its extremely rare that I get a chance to hear the white male perspective, particularly when it comes to black churches and racial intolerance. God knows we have to live with our white male-ness every day. If I were a black man, I could turn it off, but I can't. I have to go to church with all the other white men. I have to go to the shopping center and be the first guy that the sales person works with, not the black guy, not the woman, me. What, do I look like I have more money?
Rachel Maddox, tell Pat Buchanan to "SHUT-UP"!
RMac @ 20:
I thought you were saying something prophetic... like we are so intent on revolving around ourselves...
It does seem to be a recurring theme with the right wing. Whether it's shipping slaves from Africa, with astounding mortality rates, or fighting a war with extremists in somebody else's country it really is done for their own good. Such kind hearts they have.
Pat is dead on, this is 100% true, no country on earth do blacks have it better than here! Every single program you can think of plus an excuse encase that does not work. These people need to stop whining and start doing!
What bugs me is that in all this hand-wringing over Rev. Wright, no one is calling McCain to account for reversing his earlier rejection of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, or accepting the endorsement of John Hagee. Those guys spew more hate in a half hour (or spewed, in Falwell's case) than the likes of Minister Farrakhan could speak in a month, never mind Wright's (let's be honest) prophetic, if strident soundbite. (And if you think Hagee's "Zionism" includes any love for Jews, you're not paying attention to the fine print). Apparently today's Republicans have inherited one thing from Reagan--Teflon.
Okay, let's play Devil's advocate (for real) and allow Pat B. his due for the sake of argument. Fine, Pat, let's have a two-way conversation--although I've gotta say that time you're demanding certain lines from the other party it's probably not really a conversation. But let's concede your point that African-Americans haven't been grateful enough. (Mind you, I'm not really authorized to do this concession--I am white, after all--but then we haven't really allowed blacks to speak at all most of the time, so I fit right in. And besides, I'm doing this for the argument.) Parenthesis over, we'll assume that black America speaks all the words that will make Pat happy. With me?
Here's the question, Pat: What's the next part of the white half of the conversation going to be? Remember,
So now we've given them our grievances, and they've responded just the way we white folk have been looking for. What do we say next?
Smackdown? Payback? Further grievances? Grievances we haven't even thought of yet? (This is what I suspect. I think the supposed white "grievances" won't ever come to an end. That's not the intent of these things; they're not really "grievances" seeking redress. They're a excuses to always be pissed off.)
Or has it occurred to anyone that if the souls of black folk are supposed to be more grateful, the souls of white folk have an opposite and even greater need? That is to say, when will the white people of America get down and thank their black comrades who built a sizable chunk of this nation and did so for no pay and an awful lot of pain? That's the half of the conversation that is missing, Pat, and not the other way around. The full accounting of the thanks we owe has never been done, because we've never wanted to admit it. And if we are honest, that's why no conversation we have ever had about race in America has been two-way.
Your references to liberty and prosperity and civil rights programs and welfare be damned, Pat Buchanan. Until you have the balls to get our half of the conversation right--including the respectful, thankful part--no black person on the face of the planet even needs to listen to you. And, as far as that goes, neither do I.
tHeGaMeHusseinOfLiFe @ 54:
And you know this how? ....talk about racist comments
What a joke...
First off it seems Pat's grasp of reality is as good as his grasp of the English language...
"no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans."
Yikes... and this was published?
Second- is he trying to imply that the "untold trillions were only spent on people of color? no "white" folks were included in that aid? i just hope that the populace as a whole is intelligent enough to see this for what it is... he words of an idiot talking head.
I am for Obama.
Voted.
Sent Money.
Bumper sticker.
Drank the koolaid.
The whole enchilada.
But Pat makes a good point on a couple of issues.
Africans have not done well anywhere in the world outside of Africa and to be honest they have not done that well even in Africa.
If there was a destination of choice for them it would be America.
It continues to the best place in the world to make a dream come true.
Truth be told that racism is alive and well here but many changes have been made.
Thanks partially to Democratic inititives but mostly to individual emancipation.
My Mother married a black man after divorcing my Father. I grew up in a blended world and saw first hand brutal racism. I don't claim to have walked in a black mans shoes but I feel qualified enough to post an opinion.
chris @ 68:
*Excepting only Britain, Canada, most of Europe, Brazil,a good part of Africa and much of the Caribbean unless by better he means only access to consumer goods.
I'm white and Middle-aged. I REFUSE TO BE SILENCED!!!
there are 501 incorrect words in PB's article, see if you can find them
This is why I am done with liberalism in general. (Thank you Ron Paul). I challenge you to find one racist comment in Buchanon's article, meaning one comment that says black people are genetically inferior to whites. Find one sentence i dare you. buchanon picked a black woman as his running mate. now look at how hillary treats obama. buchanon is merely pointing out what you white liberals (i'm indian btw) fail to understand. blacks in america are better off than if they were living in africa. the majority of AA problems are due to their own culture, not the white man. if liberals truly care about black people they would seek to end the "war on drugs" and end black people's dependence on te governmnet (which creates feelings of inferiority among blacks and resentment among whites) whether it be affirmative action or welfare to truly free the arfican american person
Peter G @ 73:
Nobody is the type of lifestyle we have here, are you kidding, Michael Jordan, Oprah, Obama, Powell, the list goes on and on and on...do you ever get out of the house?
The piece of slime known as Pukecanon is simply a racist who does not hide it at all. This is the thread that runs through everything that comes out of this slime's mouth. Why anyone with a functioning brain calls on this cretin for commentary is beyond me. It is not hard to understand why he is a spokesperson for the Repuklicans.
if American history books just replaced all reference of African to Irish men and women forced to become slaves as they're kidnapped from Irish shores , the property of tyrants and rapists , his ancestors freedom stolen , ripped from their clan/tribe , tortured and kept ignorant ,
I'm sure that good ole' Pat would be an Irish version of Step-in-Fetch-it every day on MSNBC , , ,
RIGHT ?
chris @ 68:
Gosh yes Chris! I defy anyone to name any other white dominated country that created postcards to memorialize lynchings of blacks. Big parties and memorabilia of innocent black men being slowly throttled to death to terrorize other blacks into staying in their place. I mean, we give them instant celebrity status and are they grateful? Hell no!!
Thanks for being a freakin' tool Chris. Every time I start to get my hopes up that this country is beginning to take responsibility for the dark side of its history, some fool like you opens up their pie hole and brings me back to reality.
chris @ 68:
chris.. again for context i am black. and i will give you that America is the greatest country on earth, to live in. But it is not great because it has always been great. This is a city built on a lot of bloodshed and dead bodies, black, native american, chinese( transcontinental railroad), in short every race and class of people on earth has contributed willingly and unwillingly to make it so.
It behooves you and all your white power crew, to show some understanding when addressing the black plight. I agree with you, personal responsibility is the solution. But you have no fucking right to come brimming with indignation. your "people" had 300 years of freedom to determine their fate and choose a course to chart which included among many good works, killing and enslaving millions, native american and black. And this is a bad summary of their sins. You could show some humility when many blacks, one generation at most removed from the shackles of your torment, find themselves and feel a little lost in the world. I think work is a part of life and fulfilling if one chooses wisely. But for people who worked for ages without reward, there maybe a cultural lethargy in contributing further toil to a system that rewarded them nothing for centuries.
rustedspear @ 81:
We have about 5 generations worth of social programs and white guilt to make everything better. We are thisclose to have a black president, what more do you want?? It will never be enough, especially with whites to week to say enough, get your shit together and take responsibility! white males are the most discriminated group in America!
Well, there's not much to say except....
I have just sent the following email to MSNBC (letters@msnbc.com)
I have just found out about the 'opinion' piece posted by Pat Buchanan on a site other than MSNBC (http://buchanan.org/blog/?p=969). I read this post by Buchanan with increasing disgust, as he seems to be saying that blacks should thank America for slavery. While you have been playing the so-called 'racist' statements by Rev. Wright on a near continuous loop, you ignore the kind of egregious racist statements espoused in this post by Buchanan. It is outrageous that you continue to have a bigot like this comment on the Obama campaign, and especially on the Wright 'controversy.' It is time you asked Mr. Buchanan to step aside.
Khan Singh @ 76:
Gahh your ignorance embarasses me for being a fellow desi.
Pat Buchanan finally had his chance to speak the truth about race in America. And, I for one was so moved I’m cancelling my SEED involvement. So, this might be my last post. So, let me speak. It’s about time. When will we hear from the white man?
I wake up on Sunday mornings (or, for that matter, any time of day on Fox or CNN or MSBC) and I listen to the talking heads shows, and its extremely rare that I get a chance to hear the white male perspective, particularly when it comes to black churches and racial intolerance. Who better to speak about this. After all, it was us, the white males, that had the burden of brining on so much of the anger and frustration of the black man. I mean, what did we do anyway? Did we choose to get made white males? Do you think its fun? Spend a day in my skin and you’ll see exactly what I mean.
We wake up every morning in our warm beds in suburban neighborhoods. We have to wake up early, God knows(and he should, he’s the whitest man I know. Don’t believe me, look at a painting some time.)we have to wake up early, because we have the burden of the professions. We wake up, sometimes before the sun, have out morning breakfast, coffee and newspaper(we read the other white men, because they have to get up earlier than us to write the paper. They know Our Struggle, don’t you Pat) and hop in our SUVs and head to our professions. We work long hours, long days and what (aside from 401K, pay, satisfaction, health club membership, health care and the occasional vacation in a tropical place) do we get for this. We have to live with our white male-ness every day. If I were a black man, I could turn it off, but I can’t. I have to wake up white and male and go to bed white and male.
When I go to the shopping center I am the first guy that the sales person works with, not the black guy, not the woman, me. What, do I look like I have more money? OK, its true, but all that attention can be painful too.
When I get sick, I have to go to the clinic and see my doctor. If I weren’t white I could pick some anonymous emergency room. I mean, if you had the choice which choice would you take?
If I need a loan I have to go to Stan(from the Chamber of Commerce) and make all that small talk about his son’s hockey. Then wait him out to find that he’s approving me. OK, fine, I might have equity and collateral, but I’ll never know if that was what qualified me, or whether its just cause I know Stan and can relate to him. I mean, its hard to deal with all of this, sometimes I wonder how I make it.
Pat Buchanan you speak for all of us oppressed white men. I love your words, but I prefer them in the original German.
chris @ 77:
"is the type of lifestyle?" Clearly you haven't traveled far from your mother's basement. Presumably, by your previous argument all of the people you cited owe their achievements to affirmative action and not their own drive and skill. Failed logic and grammar didn't you. I don't propose to waste more time arguing with a person of such limited education and insight. Off with you troll before the sitemonitor accuses me of feeding you.
Hell yes. I agree totally. Let a white guy run things- for once. The uninterrupted chain of black male presidents needs to end now!
Blacks have been running thing for far too long- ever since they conned the naive whites into free transport, room and board centuries ago.
They even stole out religion, language and our very names! Jefferson isn't an African name, you know.
Those uneducated savages were skipping through their jungles while we were building ship and guns and burning redskins off of our new found land!
We need to find a way to force them to pay for all that rope and whip leather we spent on them, too.
[now I'm making myself sick- sorry, folks. Fuck you Pat.]
chris @ 77:
yep... MJ, O'pah, General Powell and 'bama are all thankful for the lashes on their backs and family and friends hang'g from trees... absolutely grateful!
The racist word flies out way too quickly and loses its power as a result. If you're going to respond knee-jerk to this just by throwing out the R word, nothing will ever be changed. Ad-hominem is so 2004.
I've got to agree with Nicole. Buchanan is more effective than ipecac. Remember his '92 campaign slogan: "If you don't elect me America, the Germans will."
chris @ 68:
Well shiver me timbers! No intelligent conversation can exist without Chris' input!
Why does anyone listen to this man who apparently believes that slavery wasn't shameful and wrong? There are a lot of good things about America but capturing people and forcefully bringing them here to work as slaves isn't something to boast about. This country may be better than anywhere else, at least it used to be before the neocons took over and raped and pillaged the U.S. Constitution, but I digress. The U.S. is far from perfect and the war that was fought more than 140 years ago to abolish slavery literally tore it apart and some people never got over it. But then I've never gotten over being shocked when I hear people use the "n" word and I cut ties with them as quickly as possible because if they judge people on the color of their skin, what else do they think that they're afraid to say?
I don't believe anyone has the right to "own" another human being and although slavery didn't originate in the U.S., it was and is a brutal, degrading practice, period. If nothing else comes out of this election what we can all bear witness to is that there'sl a strong racial divide in our country which needs to be healed. Our entire political process is screwed up and needs fixing too, so the argument of my country right or wrong should be tempered by the realization that there is so much more that needs to be done. Responding to the anti-American filth that came from Reverend Wrights mouth with similar sentiments doesn't solve anything.
pinkobait @ 50:
Cantor de Mambo @ 49:
Barney Google @ 35:
sharkcellar @ 3:
This is a real productive dialog. Thought provoking, like The Free Republic.
Talking about the way people look (fat, teeth) is the premise for racism, isn't it?
deaddowney @ 90:
here's what i'd like to see... defenders of accused (racist) o'ffenders.. stop before defending them to understand the definition of the word: racist.
(not official)... taking pride in ones race ABOVE all others...
if Pat could have said what he said without the implications that "whites" are better or the ones who "gave" something out, then it'd still be a hard assessment to take but it would take the racist sting from it.
whites are called racists when they put white superiority up as an absolute not when challenging the activities of another race.
p.s. a footnote... sterotyping is when you (we) lump all people into a certain group ie race.... like the statement "typical white person"...
discrimination... is acting on those beliefs...
doesnt make them any easier but it is clearly not the same as saying (and believing as pat implies that he does) that "i'm better than you simply because my mother and father were of the white race."
p.s.s. what ever happen to the human race in this arguement... geez... blood is red and it's spilling in Iraq as we speak because we can't get past the color of each other skiin... and the factors surronding our long guilty past.
a sad day for 'merica... not a proud one.
Now hold on everyone. Are we sure that is really what Pat Buchanan said? You know, that white hood really muffles people's voices so it's entirely possible that he was misunderstood.
600,000 slaves were brought here, and 600,000 white people died for them to have their freedom (it was called the civil war)
3,000 blacks were slave owners during the civil war (i.e. not all slave owners were white)
Blacks in Africa were the ones selling them to the slave owners over here
Slavery used to be a way to pay down debt, it hasn't always been a bad thing. He is right though, if they hadn't been forced into slavery most of them wouldn't even be here today in free america.
truthseeker @ 95:
ok, here's another one... try this one on
before you say it....
no whites didn't "give" blacks the chance or opportunties they enjoy.
dont forget the other races and let's broaden it to cultures in this discussion.
native americans (or indians)
spanish (south american and europe)
africans (both white and black)
east indian
asian
southern whites and northern whites
and on
there were so many that were complict in slavery. of all hues and textures and origin and beliefs.
this stain is on so manys hands.
try as he might. pat loses his arguement because of historical inaccuracies and implied beliefs more so than for the perceived mean spiritedness of the surface issue of black v white.
I happen to be able to see both sides of this.
This country, as a result of circumstances that all of us wish we could take back, was founded on a lie.
Thomas Jefferson, declared "ALL MEAN ARE CREATED EQUAL!" when we announced to England and the World, we are theirs no longer.
And a lot of people fought and died for that declaration.
But when it came time to set the hard won independence to paper and create a framework to form a country that would last longer than any one person, no one fought the declaration that a black person is worth 3/5 of a white person.
Seems obvious to us now that they should have, right?
Are we really that more highly evolved now that we don't understand why it started that way? Or we won't understand it?
Racism is fear of the unknown.
Almost a hundred years after this country declared "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!" and then put to paper the rule of law that one person is worth 3/5 less than another because of the color of their skin, this country fought a civil war that was started, not because of slavery, but the war sure as hell ended it. And in the aftermath of the bloodiest war anyone had ever seen, I am certain Lincoln was considering making reparations.
And then he was shot and it never happened. Ever.
In Jackson, Mississippi, before desegregation, there was an area called the Farish District. And there lived and worked black lawyers, black doctors black everything. They had their own economy, culture and society.
But after desegregation, it just crumbled and the last time I was there in the mid-90's, it was where people were scared to go. A few times a year, the news would report murders. Buildings had fallen apart, not much was there.
I've always wanted to understand that.
After the civil war, smart people worked hard and developed technology, found oil, began mass producing things people wanted, later needed. The country became wealthier and more comfortable, to the point that in the Great Depression, the wealthy figured out that if they didn't start giving back, society wasn't going to let them, the winners, keep their winner's circle.
Taxes were increased on them, and that doesn't happen in this country without their permission.
That We, Americans, in as general a sense as one can say it, had enough wealth to make it out of the Great Depression only by asking the wealthy to give up a bit of it, is a fact lost in history.
And they took that money and created public works projects the size of which humanity had never seen. And created social security, for whites, blacks, asians and hispanics alike.
Did you know that before social security and medicare most senior citizens died in poverty and now hardly any ever do?
So yes, Buchannon is right. Blacks have benefited from American progress.
And so have whites.
I work in disaster relief, and, have I seen an extremely disproportionate amount of blacks (especially in the south) try to get a grant from the government intended for a need that is not there?
Hell yes. The disproportion is like nine to one. And that is a fact.
What to make of this? To be honest, I don't know.
Personally, I think a much better use of Bush's trillion dollar tax cut for the rich would have been to take that money and make reparations for slavery in exchange for ending affirmative action, racial quotas and other programs that are a guilt man's reparations. Like $20,000-30,000 to each decendant of a slave.
The smart ones would take that money and invest in their children's future. The rest would spend on themselves.
The future would benefit.
There are a whole lot more smart ones than most people think.
I might be wrong, but did he call anyone a "typical" black?
chris @ 82:
My good friend. Jim crow ended in 1965. Abominations like the Tuskegee syphillis experiment ended in 1972. Between the end of slavery and now, white America still scorned black effort in America and abused and limited black upward movement when possible.
The 761st tank battalion( a black unit) was one of the first to link up with the Russians in Austria during WWII, they fought for 183 days straight and came to the aid of the 101st battalion in Bastogne, suffering many casualties and fighting with valor.Odds are you have never heard of them. But they and the other black tank battalions( they were 3 )are left out of the movies and stories of the "greatest generation". Ask yourself why. They were part of Patton's army and fought bravely, suffering huge losses. but they returned to live in obscurity. No Glory for Niggers. No matter how brave or how valiant. They only received a presidential unit citation in 1978. only in 1997 were some 7 in their unit awarded medals of honor.
A black kid watching a WW11 movie, or say HBO 101st. might be inspired to their bravery and valor, but the culture propagates ideas of blacks as outside of the mainstream.
My point is that for many generations black toil, served American interests but the people got little or no reward compared to the rewards of whites. The 761st is only one example. But many like them returned to their ghettos to tell their kids their stories and these kids grew up thinking that effort black effort is not duly rewarded in america.This attitude maybe ingrained in black culture.
Cultural attitudes are difficult to change. But screaming "get your shit together will not work". There are many things we can discuss about how to fix the country as a whole. but the indignation that Pat displays does not help the discourse...
I find much of black american culture repulsive and destructive. but again Obama's point was we can talk about it, how to go about ending, the social apathy and lethargy and ending the senseless violence in these communities... in a rational way...and understand their sources...
most african immigrants fare much better in america than black americans do. they become doctors and engineers and pharmacists and accountants. what is the reason? again.... this should be fuel for rational conversation between adults not vitriol.
Paddy Pat isn't anglosaxon at all, he's Irish and full of shit.
Ron Paul @ 97:
we would never know what the america or the shores of africa or the world would have been like had slavery never happened.
how can anyone say that this option. here in america now... has been "best for blacks".
shame on anyone for looking at this multi generational mankind sized matter so simply.
not only would the lives of "those blacks" not led to the mike jordan of today to quote someone earlier.
the lives of those civil war soilders would have shaped this land differently...
and this land (that is your land and my land) would be something so different that no one could predict. would your (white persons) life be even the same?
huh?
I see heads are exploding. Pat's plan works!
Actually Pat B makes some good points. What's wrong with a conversation. Any conversation between a white person and a black person is inherently skewed to how whites screwed blacks and it never goes beyond that.
Check in with Bill Cosby on some of this stuff - African Americans need to start owning up to some of their own problems.
But right now, there' can't be a dialogue in America. Maybe Barack can bring it. If he's nominated and wins, it proves America's come along way past racism. There's a ton of bigotry for sure, but it can't always be a cry of "racist" anytime someone disagrees with the black community.
lolo @ 103:
having problems with the truth lolo?
I'm not a defender of Buchanan. I think his language is atonal, deliberately provocative and raises red flags "black folks" etc. I just think there's bigger fish to fry when it comes to true racism in the world. I'm not sure I read your argument correctly, but that you inferred he was implying "whites are superior to blacks" doesn't make it so. Boorish maybe, but not necessarily racist. Oh, also the notion that the burden of proof of a charge is on the accuser, not the defender, which is why I object to throwing around the R word with little to back it up. I'm with you 100% on we have to get past this.
Hooo boyya.. see, here's the thing about "talking about racisim" when you're white, you can't without being accused of racism. Not if you want an honest discussion anyway.
But.. this being the internet tubes and all, I do enjoy a minimum of privacy so I'll throw my two cents in and let those without sin cast stones.
I grew up and live in Chicago. I actually met Obama when he was running for senate. (Nice guy, he's got my vote.) Anyway, a racist fool like the good reverend Wright can be found all over the place. Sometimes even in city hall (Yes, I'm talking to you Dorthy Tillman). This is after all the home town of Lewis Farrakhan. It's nothing new. What I find amusing is that so many people are either shocked that there are racist black people, or are excusing what he's said.
Look, we're all racist to one extent or another. The only thing we can do is know better, check it and don't pass it on to our kids.
So part of what Pat wrote is true, if we are going to talk about racism, it's gonna hurt a bit.
Ok, cents thrown!
UAN @ 104:
"racism" is not disagreement... it's implied superiority!
when you are called a racist it's because you think you are magically smart and right (on an issue like this) simply because you are white.
got it?
what pat b said WAS racist!
deaddowney @ 106:
"racist" has just lost it's webster's definition and its unfortunate. it's taken on a demonstrative negative connatation ... when it's probably just a display of ignorance.
something to forgive someone for as they "learn" the truth.
i agree it doesn't need to be "thrwon" around to defend poor and stupid bahavior. but thats where we've got to go... not where we are.
the operative word... the MOST destructive is the bahavior that behind a racist mind and thats discrimination.
to setup obstacles and remove opportunities
to harm or plan harm
...against those of a group....
JUST BECAUSE they are not like you.
i believe i'm better (racist)... i lump everyone in (stereotype)... then i act (discrimination)...
the pattern is true.... the results are also.
check history...
truthseeker @ 108:
The first ten states to ratify the 16th Amendment:
1 Alabama (former slave state)
2 Kentucky (former slave state)
3 South Carolina (former slave state)
4 Illinois
5 Mississippi (former slave state)
6 Oklahoma
7 Maryland (former slave state)
8 Georgia (former slave state)
9 Texas (former slave state)
10 Ohio
Barely 25 years after the reconstruction...
Does anyone see a trend?
So they freed the slaves and then taxed everyone.
Who among us is really free?
Dr. Know @ 107:
jumped in huh?
good stuff...
blacks can be (and are) racist too.... exactly!
now... the problem is not feeling that way but acting on it.
saying racist superiority things... lke white people do this and black people do that...
guess what? not ALL black peple, nor all white people... do "that"
and if they did... did you say that to "help" said race rise above it and move to a better place.... or did you say it to "make you look better" by pointing out said broad based assumption about said race based on what you (one person) saw once, twice or a few times.
again.... my take on the subject. the action, the action... is what is bad.
that being said, i might want to keep my thinking clean to keep from "acting" out on it...
and yet he appears on tv almost every night.
deaddowney @ 110:
I’ve known that Pat Buchanan was a little nuts with his isolationist rhetoric, but I had no idea just how isolationist he actually was–he really doesn’t want anyone who doesn’t look like him in this country, does he?
Oh, yes, Nicole, this is who Pat Buchanan has always been. He has always written these kinds of diatribes. He's a paleo-conservative, authoritarian racist. While he's lately been a strange bedfellow of the liberal anti-war crowd, Pat Buchanan has always been this nauseating.
maslow's hierarchy of needs:
1 Physiological needs
2 Safety needs
3 Love/Belonging/Social needs
4 Esteem needs
5 Self-actualization
I would say that to be ready for an Obama, we need to be in the Self-actualization area and we are not there yet. Be nice to your neighbor, but let's try to resolve our money and safety issues first...or we will all be slaves to the Republic of China.
Nicole,
OH my you didn't know that this guy is a eugenic fascist to the core?
Just HOW YOUNG are you?
I have even worse news. He has a twin. The two are straight out of a Joseph Mengele nightmare!!!!
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 7:
yeah lets throw whity under the train!
pinkobait @ 50:
But, his wife's Mexican. How can he be so racist if he's married to a Latina?
Pat does have a point, no matter how unhappy it may make some people.
If slavery had never happened, where would the descendants of the original slaves be today?
Would they rather be there than here?
Of course, slavery was a terrible, awful thing. However, not all consequences of bad things are also bad things.
Would they rather be there than here?
truthseeker @ 114:
I still don't follow you. The point of the article wasn't an argument that the white race is superior because they've done all these great things for "black folk", rather a bunch of counter arguments to "white people have done nothing but oppressed black people since slave times".
Pat thinks Elie Wiesel should have given a shout out to Hitler in his Nobel acceptance speech. "Adolf, where ever you are, I would never have won this award without you..."
The pyromaniac has re-seized control of the flame-thrower, I see.
Pat seems to think that Africa had no civilization itself prior to its encounter with European ships.
See, slave traders were actually doing their slaves a favor. The same way that Germany was wonderful for Jewish people -- were it not for the Holocaust, the state of Israel would probably not have been recognized. America has also, by the way, been dandy for the Natives American tribes here, who have learned the value of eking out survival against all odds.
After all, white people were the only ones in touch with the one, true god, and if it took centuries of indignity, murder and oppression to get blacks to realize it, then so be it. It's for their own good.
Mr. Buchanan, quick, use the word "Moorish" in a sentence.
"Uh....I only kinda want some more. I want more-ish."
All of which Buchanan resisted.
As Margaret Meade said, "Instead of being presented with stereotypes by age, sex, color, class, or religion, children must have the opportunity to learn that within each range, some people are loathsome and some are delightful."
Pat would be in the loathsome group. For while many good white people fought alongside people like Martin Luther King, Jr. for civil rights, others, like Pat, were kicking and screaming.
(Blackperson here) If anyone believes this is serious, they need their head examined...this is designed for media attention only, and is purely PR for himself...the online community will gasp and the real world won't know about it...
Scott @ 31:
Good for you! You have Pat Buchanan's voice to listen to for views that you share. He can be as bigoted and ignorant as 'all get out', but you like his smooth-talking ways. Nice!
On the other hand, a man like Jeremiah Wright is villified & demonized by most of the media although some of us melanin-enriched people appreciate his views and are equally entralled with what we think of as his smooth-talking ways. I don't believe there is equivalency between what the two men say (one speaks the truth the other speaks pure balderdash in my opinon), however, considering Wright's sermons are seen as inflammatory by far too many white folks, it is shocking that they don't recognize the inflammatory & unabashedly Eurocentric commentators, like Pat Buchanan, that they love to hear.
Amor Y Risa @ 119:
The same way slave owners could rape the female slave and continue to hold her in unpaid servitude and sell her children. The same way the police officer who shoved a broomstick up Abner Louima's a** had a fiance who was Black. The same way Strom Thurmond fathered a child with his Black maid (her consent to that relationship is questionable), supported the child through college, and remaind a virulent racist until the bitter end. Don't get it twisted!!
truthseeker @ 108:
So now everyone is an expert on racism. To be honest, some of the biggest racists I have known are black. And, like it or not Pat B. had a few valid points.
shoopnyc @ 124:
Great point and its also a Repbilican strategic move to create emotion and anger. To have a back and forth with white pundits bashing barack and black pundits arguing in his defense. He wants to show black anger on television to alienate and divide votes thats why its important people keep cool heads when debating him and just make fun of his age/senility....I'm not falling for this gawbage.....
truthseeker @ 108:
What Pat said was kind a like "shut up quit whining and eat whats in front of you - its good for you". I'm not sure if that's racist - from the above it is - but its sure reeks of superiority.
Peter G @ 73:
well said
Peter G @ 73:
Yeah, a lot of African-Americans who escaped from slavery and made their way north ended up going to Canada because of the Fugitive Slave Act.
many @ 99:
Your post shows that either you have but a tenuous grasp on American history or in your attempt to be brief you left out all the gory details. But the quote above takes the cake!
Blacks in America CONTRIBUTED to the progress this country made. Despite the 'oh-by-the-way' addition that whites benefited as well, the implication is that the descendants of enslaved Africans have been passive citizens in this country.
That is as far from the truth as your anecdote about Blacks being most likely to attempt to attain unjust enrichment with government grants/loans/etc. Statistics prove that absolutely wrong!
Please God, Just Make Pat Buchanan Go Away!
Dear God, I Know You Are All Merciful...
Then How Do You Allow Pat Buchanan To Appear On EVERY Cable Talk Show
And Mock Me From That Square Unresponsive Box?
Why Do You Allow Him To Spout Such Nonsense and Racism
And Then Spew His Charming Little Hitman's Chuckle?
Dear God, Please Make Pat Buchanan Go Away... If You Are Really Merciful You Will Not Make Me Poke My Eyes Out With Grapefruit Spoons And Flush Them Down The Toilet...
I Know You Are Merciful Enough Not To Allow This...
Thank You God
True words of inspiration and guideance from the pastor of the church of the holy septic tank. I'am sure every black person in the country would love to thank father pat for the love and kindness that white people have graciously bestowed on their people. In person! I'am sure black people hold nothing but love in their hearts when they ponder over what fate may have befallen them were it not for the white folks reaching down to help.
Mark n says@120 I'll remain on the gentle side re your comment. Are you fucking kidding me?
PssttCmere @ 127:
That is garbage! If you've actually known or interacted with Blacks you're probably interpreting their dislike of YOU for racism.
Amor Y Risa @ 119:
Well shucks you got me there.
Now I think I'll go beat my mail order bride for awhile.
Oh and Herbert? Good luck with the "productive" dialog the next time you "chat" with an intransigent ideological brow beater like Pat or Lou or Bill or Adolph.
Just wait a minute, people! This wasn't hilarious satire?
And excuse my French, but what's with all the fucking idiots that have hijacked the comments on this?
How is the concept that maybe, just maybe, a whole group of people that had been morbidly mistreated for more than a hundred years might still hold some animosity, especially after less than forty years of another group of people minimizing their plight, so difficult that we and our thick skulls can't grasp it?
I'm not truly a big fan of reality shows, but I would love to see Patrick Buchanan on television show called "You Bet Your Job". In this show, he would have convince an audience filled with only Black folks to believe the tripe he wrote in his commentary. If he loses, he loses his job and is filled with national disgrace.
Now wouldn't that be a nice show?
Ash"Hussy"Williams @ 138:
Thank you for saying this. That's exactly what people need to understand.
chris @ 68:
i think you should visit some other countries and ask before you make that generalization. pat is a true racist.
Republican=Greedy
conservative=racist
Who doesn't understand this??
has he ever been on countdown
Ceci Hussein @ 140:
Yeah, I really get frustrated when I listen to the "discourse" whenever race pops up.
Not only do black people have to deal with the frustrations of slavery and recent overt racism on a national scale, they now have to listen to us white people preach to them about how America is better now and why don't they quit complaining already. How can we be past the death of widespread racism when we have so many people on this site of all sites spouting the same old (yep, I'm gonna say it) "typical white person" BS?
I'd love to see Buccanan asked if he's ever used the "N" word. I'll bet he has and perhaps used many other rank epithets. Because if he has, I think we should ask all of those who sit with him night and day if they should throw him under the bus, get him fired, not want to sit with him. The media is use a kind of fake outrage to raise the specter of racism in society. It's as if Wright had said something that many have said similarly and pretended that they had never been privy to some of the same kinds of language. To let Pat spew his dumbass invectives isn't only pathetic but hypocritical.
Scarborough and Buchanan are embarrassingly racist. How can MSNBC allow these two fools on television?
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