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Turns out the Rhodes Scholars over at "Fox and Friends" think Abraham Lincoln debated Frederick Douglass in the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858. Of course it was Stephen Douglas. Something tells me Frederick would have had a tough time winning a Senate seat back then. Just a thought.

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"Ha. Ha. Rather than spending time mocking their intern, Clayton might have recognized that was Frederick Douglass, the 19th-century African abolitionist leader who certainly wasn't running for any Senate seat."



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Well they are going to have to revise history anyway...

silence from the obamans!how telling!lets hear it for one ,thats one real debate, hasnt been one in a long long time!!!

And THIS is the source of information for a big segment of the American populace. OH.....MY......FUCKING.......GOD!!!

And this class of brainless schmucks is in charge of our security, food safety, etc, etc.

I'd mentioned this earlier on a previous thread - I'm glad you caught and posted it.

Simply unreal. It's one thing to use the wrong person but quite another to naturally assume that in 1858 a black man was debating Lincoln for the Presidency. The levels of stupidity and negligence on this one is beyond palpable.

For the record, I think Frederick Douglass was a hero. It's a side mission in my life to write a screenplay on this amazing persona of U.S. history. Aside from 3 seconds in "Glory" I've never seen the man portrayed in film. That's a shame.

As to Fox News? Again. Unreal.

LOL - I can only laugh at this story because it's so ridiculous. A Black man participated in a Presidential debate as a candidate during slavery? LOL...ahahahaha

Oh... Wow! LMAO!!

Mister Anderson @ 6:

LOL - I can only laugh at this story because it's so ridiculous. A Black man participated in a Presidential debate as a candidate during slavery? LOL...ahahahaha

Senatorial debate.

Republicans love showing their stupidity. When you point it out they then call you an elitest for correcting them. I guess I'd rather be an elitest than a stupid bastard any day.

What a bunch of idiots.

Anyway, here's my latest video [Deleted. Free ride's over Joe-Sitemonitor]

D'Oh. Correction - Senate, not President.

Fox News should start reporting the truth
OR be investigated and tried for illegal propaganda.

We Can't Believe What is Happening to Our Country.
We certainly Need To Turn Off the TV and Read

There is alot going down. Espionage Spying Case. 23 Apr 08
CI Center is in Alexandria, VA.
http://cicentre.com/spycase/ben_ami_kadish_case.html

We also remember that Bush Gut the Espionage Oversight Board on March 15 2008.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/03/14/preside...

Its so sad what war has done to our country over the last 7 years.

Now we also hear that Toby Keith performance interrupted by mortar fire in Afghanistan.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/30/toby-keith-performance-interrupted-b...

"I recognize the Republican party as the sheet anchor of the colored man's political hopes and the ark of his safety."
Frederick Douglass

My, my. How things have changed. Wonder if FD would vote Republican today...

I'm not sure which most firghtening -- that a FUX News intern thought video might exist of the Lincoln-Douglass debates, that the FUX News talking heads don't know who the Douglas of those debates were, or that no one noticed that the guy in the picture was black.

I do think it'd be funny, though, if the intern had slipped that picture onto the screen. "Yeah, you got me, assholes. Now I'll show you."

Oh this was on "Fox And Friends"!!! More proof that these are the stupidest motherfuckers on daytime TV.

This is how people perform when they are reduced to subservient ass kissers to those above them.

Glaring errors, screw ups, inability to perform their jobs correctly without needing permission from some idiot, complete and utter lack of detail, quality, and impeccability.

On and on and on. It's about self preservation.

Frederick Douglass by all accounts was a brilliant man.

Stephen Douglas was an able debater who won against Lincoln in the Senate election of 1858, but lost the Presidential election of 1860. The South in 1860 split the Democratic vote with their own Democratic candidate, thus handing the election to Lincoln.

Maybe Clinton will run as an independent?

When you are used to getting all of your talking points from the WH or the Pentagon, it is hard to look up real facts. Faux has no jounalists.

Karen @ 14:

I'm not sure which most firghtening -- that a FUX News intern thought video might exist of the Lincoln-Douglass debates, that the FUX News talking heads don't know who the Douglas of those debates were, or that no one noticed that the guy in the picture was black.

I do think it'd be funny, though, if the intern had slipped that picture onto the screen. "Yeah, you got me, assholes. Now I'll show you."

Eek, no, the most frightening is the number of typos and errors in my comment. Sheesh, Karen, proof read! ;)

Karen @ 14:

I'm not sure which most firghtening -- that a FUX News intern thought video might exist of the Lincoln-Douglass debates, that the FUX News talking heads don't know who the Douglas of those debates were, or that no one noticed that the guy in the picture was black.

I do think it'd be funny, though, if the intern had slipped that picture onto the screen. "Yeah, you got me, assholes. Now I'll show you."

#9 beat me to it, but you have to know they'll be calling you elitest for having the nerve to point out their idiocy. It's downright unamerican to be smart these days, you Islamofascist...

Zzing!

dumb-asses.

FNF have a collective IQ of a sock full of dingleberries. It is hillarious how many times they make asses out of themselve. Oh yeah, an Dooooocey's kid too. Genetic morons.

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 17:

Frederick Douglass by all accounts was a brilliant man.

Stephen Douglas was an able debater who won against Lincoln in the Senate election of 1858, but lost the Presidential election of 1860. The South in 1860 split the Democratic vote with their own Democratic candidate, thus handing the election to Lincoln.

Maybe Clinton will run as an independent?

maby obama could!

FOX is State Sponsored TV

Aw, ya went and burst their bubble now! :lol:

Fox News is sending subliminal messages to Republicans.

White Republicans (ie Mr. John McCain or Mr. Abraham Lincoln) can win elections against Black Democrats (ie Mr. Barrack Obama or Mr. Wrong Douglas).

FOX is State Sponsored TV, which means they are powerful, incompetent liars.

I have to hand it to the Fox News Netwits, they never let a lack of historical facts get in the way of an outrage.

faux noise is phoning it in anymore.

Ozguy @ 13:

"I recognize the Republican party as the sheet anchor of the colored man's political hopes and the ark of his safety."
Frederick Douglass

My, my. How things have changed. Wonder if FD would vote Republican today...

Frederick Douglass was apparently a very brilliant man, and would surely see the democratic party for what it is...a bunch of Bush suck ups...

patriot act? no prob mr Bush.

invade Iraq? go ahead mr Bush

more money for war? here ya go George.

impeach Bush.....God forbid...

I wonder what happened to the people responsible for the visuals? They might be on Murdock's or Ailes's basement [putting the lotion on its skin.]

Man, that's scary. Even my 8th grade students know the difference between Douglas and Douglass.

milquetoast @ 30:

Ozguy @ 13:

"I recognize the Republican party as the sheet anchor of the colored man's political hopes and the ark of his safety."
Frederick Douglass

My, my. How things have changed. Wonder if FD would vote Republican today...

Frederick Douglass was apparently a very brilliant man, and would surely see the democratic party for what it is...a bunch of Bush suck ups...

patriot act? no prob mr Bush.

invade Iraq? go ahead mr Bush

more money for war? here ya go George.

impeach Bush.....God forbid...

It sounds like you would be the right person to run for congress or the senate. You're are so impressive with your comments, I'm convinced that you could get the job done.

Gaaahhhh! Teh ST00p1d! It burns!!!!

Frederick Douglass, as an escaped slave would not have been a citizen of 19th Century America. He was seen as a radical on par with Cindy Sheehan (closest modern analogy there is off the top of my head) at the time. Fred was a brilliant man indeed, his autobiography is a must-read for understanding what it was like to be a slave in the 19th Century.

Frederick Douglass was one of the most awesome men the United States has ever produced, but sadly enough he would not have been eligible to run for President (which he actually did in the 1880s,) until the 14th Amendment gave former slaves citizenships.

But that wasn't even a Presidential debate, it was a race for the national Senatorial seat in Illinois. Stephen Douglas is a man who was misguided to the point of bordering on evil in terms of the consequences. And, also, Stephen Douglas has one "s" in his name, Frederick Douglass has two.

And this guy is a Rhodes Scholar???? O.o

We are all much too hard on FuxNews. After all, it is an entertainment network, isn't it?

Of course, the mouth-breathers and old folks who watch the network wouldn't have a clue about the error, or perhaps anything about the importance of the debate.

Ron @ 33:

milquetoast @ 30:

Ozguy @ 13:

"I recognize the Republican party as the sheet anchor of the colored man's political hopes and the ark of his safety."
Frederick Douglass

My, my. How things have changed. Wonder if FD would vote Republican today...

Frederick Douglass was apparently a very brilliant man, and would surely see the democratic party for what it is...a bunch of Bush suck ups...

patriot act? no prob mr Bush.

invade Iraq? go ahead mr Bush

more money for war? here ya go George.

impeach Bush.....God forbid...

It sounds like you would be the right person to run for congress or the senate. You're are so impressive with your comments, I'm convinced that you could get the job done.

Thanks! but I dont pay any income taxes anymore so I would be immediately trashed in the mainstream media for being unpatriotic.

Ex-canuck @ 35:

We are all much too hard on FuxNews. After all, it is an entertainment network, isn't it?

Of course, the mouth-breathers and old folks who watch the network wouldn't have a clue about the error, or perhaps anything about the importance of the debate.

you paint a bleak picture ! im sure the mouth breathers and old folks thinks your generations shit too!

Any bets as to how long it will be now before Fox reports we. . . a) “discover” that Iran has thousands, if not millions, of WMDs pointed straight at the United Parking Lot of America because they hate our freedumbs, b) declare Iran to be a threat to the democracy of the entire world, and c) cobble together a coalition of unwilling-but-dumb allies to go in with us when we invade, in order to give it the pretense of being a multi-state effort?

Tune in tomorrow when Fuxed-up News presents an expose on how their guy Tom Dewey really did beat Truman in 1948.

Everyone involved in FOX News should be deported and BANNED from America!

However, that wouldn't be fair to the rest of the world, you know, handing them our shit.

These professional liars remind me of that old foghorn leghorn cartoon with that sniveling little weasel trying to eat the chickens.

this is just one more example of the total absence
of facts from fox reporting.

bmw 528 @ 39:

Tune in tomorrow when Fuxed-up News presents an expose on how their guy Tom Dewey really did beat Truman in 1948.

Yeah, and the commentators will note that the likely reason Truman got the presidency involved the powers-that-be and their antipathy to the Dewey Decimal System.

And it'll all be followed by a tribute to Sen. Joe McCarthy.

Holy shit.

I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY THAT LINCOLN ACTUALLY DEBATED....

KIRK DOUGLAS

Spartacus: What's your name?
Lincoln: You don't want to know my name. I don't want to know your name.
Spartacus: Just a friendly question.
Lincoln: Gladiators don't make friends. If we're ever matched in the arena together, I have to kill you.

New marketing slogan for FOX: "Fox News - Bringin' the stupid"

Something happened in 1858? I'll bet Fred and Wilma and Barney and Betty were there to witness this event.

I rather enjoyed when Keith ran this, and for the boxer James Buster Douglas, they ran a picture of the old Sega Mega Drive game box art. Nerd-tastic.

The Bill Moyers show on PBS where college and high school-educated respondents were asked to find Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel on a world map and only 23% of the college-educated under the age of 25 and 6% of high school-educated could find all four, despite the fact that the map they were given was labeled.

Everyone but the 23% and 6% must be employed by Fox and it's various tenacles.

Bush Regime back peddles on it's lie that somebody else put up that Mission Accomplished banner. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080501/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_mission_accompli...

White House propagandist Tokyo Perino blames the media, says: "President Bush is well aware that the banner should have been much more specific and said `mission accomplished' for these sailors who are on this ship on their mission," White House press secretary Dana Perino said Wednesday. "And we have certainly paid a price for not being more specific on that banner. And I recognize that the media is going to play this up again tomorrow, as they do every single year."

How about this banner Tokyp Perino? "mission accomplished' for these sailors who are on this ship on their mission for Halliburton's no bid government contracts so Cheney's stock options could increase 3,200% yet managed to come back home with life and limb in tact provided the don't get stop lossed again and get get killed on their 4th tour for big oil," Guess it would have wrapped around the aircraft carrier twice so the banner was deemed too large.

Bitch.

tyree @ 37:

Ex-canuck @ 35:

We are all much too hard on FuxNews. After all, it is an entertainment network, isn't it?

Of course, the mouth-breathers and old folks who watch the network wouldn't have a clue about the error, or perhaps anything about the importance of the debate.

you paint a bleak picture ! im sure the mouth breathers and old folks thinks your generations shit too!

tyree, I disagree with the word "shit" that you used. Until you are in my head keep the personal attacks to yourself...

Our country is indeed in a bleak situation at this time, or do you only watch FuxNews?

Karen @ 42:

bmw 528 @ 39:

Tune in tomorrow when Fuxed-up News presents an expose on how their guy Tom Dewey really did beat Truman in 1948.

Yeah, and the commentators will note that the likely reason Truman got the presidency involved the powers-that-be and their antipathy to the Dewey Decimal System.

And it'll all be followed by a tribute to Sen. Joe McCarthy.

Fox news is calling ex Bears quarterback Bobby Douglass right now to get his take about his great, great uncles participation in the great debate.

Is this a mistake or a way to remind the Neanderthals that Obama is black. Maybe it is just me or I'm getting paranoid, but Faux always has a political agenda.

just another reason to pull their press credentials. fox is an entertainment channel and should not be able to present themselves as a news channel.

Ex-Canuck @ 50:

tyree @ 37:

Ex-canuck @ 35:

We are all much too hard on FuxNews. After all, it is an entertainment network, isn't it?

Of course, the mouth-breathers and old folks who watch the network wouldn't have a clue about the error, or perhaps anything about the importance of the debate.

you paint a bleak picture ! im sure the mouth breathers and old folks thinks your generations shit too!

tyree, I disagree with the word "shit" that you used. Until you are in my head keep the personal attacks to yourself...

Our country is indeed in a bleak situation at this time, or do you only watch FuxNews?

no i dont but seems to anyone stupid to come here from canadas a dumby anyway!

P.D. @ 52:

Is this a mistake or a way to remind the Neanderthals that Obama is black. Maybe it is just me or I'm getting paranoid, but Faux always has a political agenda.

FUX typically has an agenda, but I think stupidity trumps Machiavelli on this one.

P.D. @ 52:

but Faux always has a political agenda.

It's manipulating viewers into a state approaching criminal obliviousness.

sorry dummy!

tyree @ 54:

Ex-Canuck @ 50:

tyree @ 37:

Ex-canuck @ 35:
you paint a bleak picture ! im sure the mouth breathers and old folks thinks your generations shit too!

tyree, I disagree with the word "shit" that you used. Until you are in my head keep the personal attacks to yourself...

Our country is indeed in a bleak situation at this time, or do you only watch FuxNews?

no i dont but seems to anyone stupid to come here from canadas a dumby anyway!

You are only making my point tyree. Check your spelling and grammar before posting.

Further proof that FOX is the news source for the criminally insane....and Hillary supporters.

Karl Rove - the criminal who is employed by FOX News
probably was at the broadcast controls.

Heres a new ad. .. not a Karl Rove type fear and be afraid ad.

Obama ad airing right now in Indiana and North Carolina.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/gasprices1

Keep speaking the truth.
The people will stand with the Truth.

Ex-Canuck @ 58:

tyree @ 54:

Ex-Canuck @ 50:

tyree @ 37:

tyree, I disagree with the word "shit" that you used. Until you are in my head keep the personal attacks to yourself...

Our country is indeed in a bleak situation at this time, or do you only watch FuxNews?

no i dont but seems to anyone stupid to come here from canadas a dumby anyway!

You are only making my point tyree. Check your spelling and grammar before posting.

what dont you understand about a canuck comeing here being dumb?

I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but everyone look at this "tyree" douche bag.

He's a Republican (You can tell by the horrible grammar, spacing, spelling and continual use of exlamat!on points) posing as a Clinton supporter who also just happens to be defending Faux News. Say what you want about Clinton's supporters, I don't think any of them like Fox.
You should try a little harder next time, dipshit. You're not convincing anyone to change their minds.

Reminds me of that Fox special on W. Calling him the most gifted speaker of our time.

mrplow @ 63:

I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but everyone look at this "tyree" douche bag.

He's a Republican (You can tell by the horrible grammar, spacing, spelling and continual use of exlamat!on points) posing as a Clinton supporter who also just happens to be defending Faux News. Say what you want about Clinton's supporters, I don't think any of them like Fox.
You should try a little harder next time, dipshit. You're not convincing anyone to change their minds.

troll sonny ive been posting on here when you were still crapping your diddies!

What can you expect from complete, moronic imbeciles?

tyree @ 62:

Ex-Canuck @ 58:

tyree @ 54:

Ex-Canuck @ 50:
no i dont but seems to anyone stupid to come here from canadas a dumby anyway!

You are only making my point tyree. Check your spelling and grammar before posting.

what dont you understand about a canuck comeing here being dumb?

What don't you understand about spelling and grammar tyree? Your lack of literary skills is only amplifying my point about those who use FuxNews as their major, if not their only source of information about what is going on in the world and the country.

I had to move to the US - and did it LONG before reagan and the bush boys screwed with The Constitution to such a degree as to make the country unrecognizable from what it was before the neocons and the grossly incompetent hijacked it.

tyree @ 24:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 17:

Frederick Douglass by all accounts was a brilliant man.

Stephen Douglas was an able debater who won against Lincoln in the Senate election of 1858, but lost the Presidential election of 1860. The South in 1860 split the Democratic vote with their own Democratic candidate, thus handing the election to Lincoln.

Maybe Clinton will run as an independent?

maby obama could!

You again.

Obama will have the Democratic nomination, there will be no need to do anything else.

If Clinton wins all of the remaining contests by 60% (Arkansas has been the only state she has done that in), the 211 Florida delegates are seated by the actual vote (which is what Clinton wants) and the 156 Michigan delegates are divided 50/50 (the only possibility since Obama was not on the ballot), Obama still wins.

Clinton will not win the remaining contests by 60%.

It hubris that is driving Clinton forward, and Republicans who want the Democratic contest to continue. It is over. It is the Corporate Media that has manufactured the idea that it is still a contest.

Whenever someone mentions Fox News I think about Operation Mockingbird. The secret CIA plot to manipulate public opinion that was exposed during the Church Committee.

tyree @ 65:

mrplow @ 63:

I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but everyone look at this "tyree" douche bag.

He's a Republican (You can tell by the horrible grammar, spacing, spelling and continual use of exlamat!on points) posing as a Clinton supporter who also just happens to be defending Faux News. Say what you want about Clinton's supporters, I don't think any of them like Fox.
You should try a little harder next time, dipshit. You're not convincing anyone to change their minds.

troll sonny ive been posting on here when you were still crapping your diddies!

Dude, give it a rest. Nobody gives a shit how long youve been posting. Either stay on topic or read more, type less.

tyree @ 65:

mrplow @ 63:

I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but everyone look at this "tyree" douche bag.

He's a Republican (You can tell by the horrible grammar, spacing, spelling and continual use of exlamat!on points) posing as a Clinton supporter who also just happens to be defending Faux News. Say what you want about Clinton's supporters, I don't think any of them like Fox.
You should try a little harder next time, dipshit. You're not convincing anyone to change their minds.

troll sonny ive been posting on here when you were still crapping your diddies!

sorry but i dont recall defending fox !especially since ive never watched it! as for my spelling spaceing commas periods who gives a rats patootie!

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 68:

tyree @ 24:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 17:

Frederick Douglass by all accounts was a brilliant man.

Stephen Douglas was an able debater who won against Lincoln in the Senate election of 1858, but lost the Presidential election of 1860. The South in 1860 split the Democratic vote with their own Democratic candidate, thus handing the election to Lincoln.

Maybe Clinton will run as an independent?

maby obama could!

You again.

Obama will have the Democratic nomination, there will be no need to do anything else.

If Clinton wins all of the remaining contests by 60% (Arkansas has been the only state she has done that in), the 211 Florida delegates are seated by the actual vote (which is what Clinton wants) and the 156 Michigan delegates are divided 50/50 (the only possibility since Obama was not on the ballot), Obama still wins.

Clinton will not win the remaining contests by 60%.

It hubris that is driving Clinton forward, and Republicans who want the Democratic contest to continue. It is over. It is the Corporate Media that has manufactured the idea that it is still a contest.

well good for hillay ! you go girl!

sorry hillary , know how you love good grammer!

odanny @ 70:

tyree @ 65:

mrplow @ 63:

I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but everyone look at this "tyree" douche bag.

He's a Republican (You can tell by the horrible grammar, spacing, spelling and continual use of exlamat!on points) posing as a Clinton supporter who also just happens to be defending Faux News. Say what you want about Clinton's supporters, I don't think any of them like Fox.
You should try a little harder next time, dipshit. You're not convincing anyone to change their minds.

troll sonny ive been posting on here when you were still crapping your diddies!

Dude, give it a rest. Nobody gives a shit how long youve been posting. Either stay on topic or read more, type less.

who asked you kid?

tyree @ 71:

tyree @ 65:

mrplow @ 63:

I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but everyone look at this "tyree" douche bag.

He's a Republican (You can tell by the horrible grammar, spacing, spelling and continual use of exlamat!on points) posing as a Clinton supporter who also just happens to be defending Faux News. Say what you want about Clinton's supporters, I don't think any of them like Fox.
You should try a little harder next time, dipshit. You're not convincing anyone to change their minds.

troll sonny ive been posting on here when you were still crapping your diddies!

sorry but i dont recall defending fox !especially since ive never watched it! as for my spelling spaceing commas periods who gives a rats patootie!

Sloppy use of the English language, especially in a written forum, makes one look like a mouth-breathing FuxNews watcher tyree. You may well be a Mensa genius, although I somehow doubt it, but if you were, one would never know it from how you present yourself or your ideas in this forum.

tyree @ 62:

Ex-Canuck @ 58:

tyree @ 54:

Ex-Canuck @ 50:
no i dont but seems to anyone stupid to come here from canadas a dumby anyway!

You are only making my point tyree. Check your spelling and grammar before posting.

what dont you understand about a canuck comeing here being dumb?

Hey Tyree, what nationality are you? Those translation sites like http://babelfish.altavista.com/ don't do a very good job.

Ex-Canuck @ 75:

tyree @ 71:

tyree @ 65:

mrplow @ 63:
troll sonny ive been posting on here when you were still crapping your diddies!

sorry but i dont recall defending fox !especially since ive never watched it! as for my spelling spaceing commas periods who gives a rats patootie!

Sloppy use of the English language, especially in a written forum, makes one look like a mouth-breathing FuxNews watcher tyree. You may well be a Mensa genius, although I somehow doubt it, but if you were, one would never know it from how you present yourself or your ideas in this forum.

its because of you snobs and upitty nerds your going to lose this elaction, but hey its your nickle see if you can turn in to a dime! i still want a debate between clinton and obama , maby it will go in the history books like the lincoln douglas debates! whats the problem , got no faith in your man?

tyree @ 73:

sorry hillary , know how you love good grammer!

You can't even spell GRAMMAR!

Thanks for the laugh.

sorry its kind of dark in here and i hit the wrong key , thats election!!!!!!!!

mrplow @ 63:

I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but everyone look at this "tyree" douche bag.

He's a Republican (You can tell by the horrible grammar, spacing, spelling and continual use of exlamat!on points) posing as a Clinton supporter who also just happens to be defending Faux News. Say what you want about Clinton's supporters, I don't think any of them like Fox.
You should try a little harder next time, dipshit. You're not convincing anyone to change their minds.

I dont think tyree is a republican. but he sure is a mess tonite. probly extra pissed off! ...somebody grab tyrees keys!

tyree @ 77:

Ex-Canuck @ 75:

tyree @ 71:

tyree @ 65:
sorry but i dont recall defending fox !especially since ive never watched it! as for my spelling spaceing commas periods who gives a rats patootie!

Sloppy use of the English language, especially in a written forum, makes one look like a mouth-breathing FuxNews watcher tyree. You may well be a Mensa genius, although I somehow doubt it, but if you were, one would never know it from how you present yourself or your ideas in this forum.

its because of you snobs and upitty nerds your going to lose this elaction, but hey its your nickle see if you can turn in to a dime! i still want a debate between clinton and obama , maby it will go in the history books like the lincoln douglas debates! whats the problem , got no faith in your man?

Your doing this bad grammar thing on purpose right? Keep advertising your ignorance tyree. It goes well with your lack of intellect in the ideas you put forth...

tyree @ 79:

sorry its kind of dark in here and i hit the wrong key , thats election!!!!!!!!

gimme the keys man!

And the irony award goes to......

Ex-Canuck @ 81, for:

Your doing this bad grammar thing on purpose right?

;)

Don Davis @ 61:

Bill O’Reilly Claims Frederick Douglass Supported Expansion of Slavery

Mr. Douglass was also known to shout "More iced tea motherfucker!" on several occasions. It's true - Bill O'Reilly said so.

Was there no one at Fox to say "My God man have you lost your mind? Can't you see that man is a ni...?

Conservatives live in a world of their own creation. Their world has it's own heroes, villains and a unique and bizarre history. If one can believe that global warming is a scam cooked up by the powerful and devious climatology lobby and that Ronald Reagan is the single greatest leader/human/genius in all of history, then believing Lincoln debated Frederick Douglass is hardly a stretch.
As an example, go to any real conservative and tell them you've forgotten the name of the great conservative who lead America to victory in World War ll. They'll chuckle and say ,'Silly liberal, how could you forget Winston Churchill?'

Karen @ 83:

And the irony award goes to......

Ex-Canuck @ 81, for:

Your doing this bad grammar thing on purpose right?

;)

Got me Karen! :))))))))

Ex-Canuck @ 81:

tyree @ 77:

Ex-Canuck @ 75:

tyree @ 71:

Sloppy use of the English language, especially in a written forum, makes one look like a mouth-breathing FuxNews watcher tyree. You may well be a Mensa genius, although I somehow doubt it, but if you were, one would never know it from how you present yourself or your ideas in this forum.

its because of you snobs and upitty nerds your going to lose this elaction, but hey its your nickle see if you can turn in to a dime! i still want a debate between clinton and obama , maby it will go in the history books like the lincoln douglas debates! whats the problem , got no faith in your man?

Your doing this bad grammar thing on purpose right? Keep advertising your ignorance tyree. It goes well with your lack of intellect in the ideas you put forth...

well charlie i get tired of explaining to squirts like you that rode the gravy train all your life , when i was born an eighth grade education was all that was expected of a kid , high school was considered what a college education is today, kids had to go to work to support thier familly , i dont owe you any explanation of my education , if it offends you so much do what allthe other nose in the air asshats do, skip over my post , nobodys holding a gun to your head!

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 68:

tyree @ 24:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 17:

You again.

Obama will have the Democratic nomination, there will be no need to do anything else.

If Clinton wins all of the remaining contests by 60% (Arkansas has been the only state she has done that in), the 211 Florida delegates are seated by the actual vote (which is what Clinton wants) and the 156 Michigan delegates are divided 50/50 (the only possibility since Obama was not on the ballot), Obama still wins.

Clinton will not win the remaining contests by 60%.

It hubris that is driving Clinton forward, and Republicans who want the Democratic contest to continue. It is over. It is the Corporate Media that has manufactured the idea that it is still a contest.

Except that, by the end of the primaries, neither Clinton nor Obama will have the majority of delegates necessary under the rules to receive the nomination.

It'll all come down to the Party's House of Lords -- the superdelegates.

The rest of the primaries will simply be about convincing the superdelegates who the "electable" candidate is.

Or convincing the delegates that it is in their best interest. Who leans the hardest.

JoeMarasmus @ 10:

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I'd rather watch the videos where we get to see atheism in action in China.

As for the Fox video they must all be on drugs to be that stupid.

Ex-Canuck @ 81:

tyree @ 77:

Ex-Canuck @ 75:

tyree @ 71:

Sloppy use of the English language, especially in a written forum, makes one look like a mouth-breathing FuxNews watcher tyree. You may well be a Mensa genius, although I somehow doubt it, but if you were, one would never know it from how you present yourself or your ideas in this forum.

its because of you snobs and upitty nerds your going to lose this elaction, but hey its your nickle see if you can turn in to a dime! i still want a debate between clinton and obama , maby it will go in the history books like the lincoln douglas debates! whats the problem , got no faith in your man?

Your doing this bad grammar thing on purpose right? Keep advertising your ignorance tyree. It goes well with your lack of intellect in the ideas you put forth...

I suggested very politely in another thread, that spell checkers can check as you type. They are built into the operating system, why not use them.

(S)he insisted that (s)he didn't care. As for grammar? I don't what would help there.

c-student president

c-student propoganda

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 92:

Ex-Canuck @ 81:

tyree @ 77:

Ex-Canuck @ 75:
its because of you snobs and upitty nerds your going to lose this elaction, but hey its your nickle see if you can turn in to a dime! i still want a debate between clinton and obama , maby it will go in the history books like the lincoln douglas debates! whats the problem , got no faith in your man?

Your doing this bad grammar thing on purpose right? Keep advertising your ignorance tyree. It goes well with your lack of intellect in the ideas you put forth...

I suggested very politely in another thread, that spell checkers can check as you type. They are built into the operating system, why not use them.

(S)he insisted that (s)he didn't care. As for grammar? I don't what would help there.

your not listening lady i dont see what your problem is! are you telling me i dont have the right to post on here unless i have an educated stick up my ass? as i said nobody forces you to read my posts !

ram @ 90:

JoeMarasmus @ 10:

What a bunch of idiots.

[Deleted post-Sitemonitor]

I'd rather watch the videos where we get to see atheism in action in China.

Atheism in action? Good grief.

Then again, I suppose I can't blame you for lashing back at a C&L parasite who links to his own videos on irrelevant threads.

Ram, we're OT, but atheists are not exempt from being criminal-minded rationalizers of initiative force anymore than Godders.

Karen @ 88:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 68:

tyree @ 24:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 17:

You again.

Obama will have the Democratic nomination, there will be no need to do anything else.

If Clinton wins all of the remaining contests by 60% (Arkansas has been the only state she has done that in), the 211 Florida delegates are seated by the actual vote (which is what Clinton wants) and the 156 Michigan delegates are divided 50/50 (the only possibility since Obama was not on the ballot), Obama still wins.

Clinton will not win the remaining contests by 60%.

It hubris that is driving Clinton forward, and Republicans who want the Democratic contest to continue. It is over. It is the Corporate Media that has manufactured the idea that it is still a contest.

Except that, by the end of the primaries, neither Clinton nor Obama will have the majority of delegates necessary under the rules to receive the nomination.

It'll all come down to the Party's House of Lords -- the superdelegates.

The rest of the primaries will simply be about convincing the superdelegates who the "electable" candidate is.

On my spreadsheet with the parameters that I stated I come up with Obama 2,015 Clinton 1,997.

That is with her taking the 380 remaining delegates at 60%, something she is not going to do.

A few splits and Obama is over 2025.

The super delegates do not want an invocation of their very own ghost of Gore in 2000 scenario.

They will be paying attention to the popular vote and the pledged delegates.

And they may not all be needed. I am only referring to the ones already declared.

tyree @ 94:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 92:

Ex-Canuck @ 81:

tyree @ 77:

Your doing this bad grammar thing on purpose right? Keep advertising your ignorance tyree. It goes well with your lack of intellect in the ideas you put forth...

I suggested very politely in another thread, that spell checkers can check as you type. They are built into the operating system, why not use them.

(S)he insisted that (s)he didn't care. As for grammar? I don't what would help there.

your not listening lady i dont see what your problem is! are you telling me i dont have the right to post on here unless i have an educated stick up my ass? as i said nobody forces you to read my posts !

I was being very polite to you, you should mind your manners. And post all you want.

"Hillary wants to debate Obama like Lincoln and Douglas? That's news, boys! That's FOX News! I want everything we got of Abe Lincoln back when he was on the old Mike Douglas Show. FOX news, Baby, yeah!"

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 98:

tyree @ 94:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 92:

Ex-Canuck @ 81:

I suggested very politely in another thread, that spell checkers can check as you type. They are built into the operating system, why not use them.

(S)he insisted that (s)he didn't care. As for grammar? I don't what would help there.

your not listening lady i dont see what your problem is! are you telling me i dont have the right to post on here unless i have an educated stick up my ass? as i said nobody forces you to read my posts !

I was being very polite to you, you should mind your manners. And post all you want.

im sorry my manners left when you made fun of my education! but give yourself a pat on the back anyway!

Karen @ 95:

ram @ 90:

JoeMarasmus @ 10:

[Deleted post-Sitemonitor]

I'd rather watch the videos where we get to see atheism in action in China.

Atheism in action? Good grief.

Then again, I suppose I can't blame you for lashing back at a C&L parasite who links to his own videos on irrelevant threads.

Yeah atheism is one thing whoring your own site though just sents me a bit over the edge.

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 97:

Karen @ 88:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 68:

tyree @ 24:

On my spreadsheet with the parameters that I stated I come up with Obama 2,015 Clinton 1,997.

That is with her taking the 380 remaining delegates at 60%, something she is not going to do.

A few splits and Obama is over 2025.

If he manages to get the necessary majority, it's over, he wins. May it happen. I fear that the rest of the elections are going to be just close enough to deny both of them the majority.

The super delegates do not want an invocation of their very own ghost of Gore in 2000 scenario.

They will be paying attention to the popular vote and the pledged delegates.

And they may not all be needed. I am only referring to the ones already declared.

If neither get the majority, I honestly don't know what they'll do. If the race weren't so damned close, I would think that they'd simply push the top candidate over the majority threshold. With the way it is turning out, I really don't know.

ram @ 103:

Karen @ 95:

ram @ 90:

JoeMarasmus @ 10:

I'd rather watch the videos where we get to see atheism in action in China.

Atheism in action? Good grief.

Then again, I suppose I can't blame you for lashing back at a C&L parasite who links to his own videos on irrelevant threads.

Yeah atheism is one thing whoring your own site though just sents me a bit over the edge.

So, a non-atheist parasite wouldn't bother you as much?

Your comment was an insult to atheists, but should have been directed merely at JoeMarasmus.

Happy to debate you on an open thread about atheism. :)

tyree @ 102:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 98:

tyree @ 94:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 92:
your not listening lady i dont see what your problem is! are you telling me i dont have the right to post on here unless i have an educated stick up my ass? as i said nobody forces you to read my posts !

I was being very polite to you, you should mind your manners. And post all you want.

im sorry my manners left when you made fun of my education! but give yourself a pat on the back anyway!

I never made fun of you in any way. That was someone else.

Karen @ 104:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 97:

Karen @ 88:

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 68:

On my spreadsheet with the parameters that I stated I come up with Obama 2,015 Clinton 1,997.

That is with her taking the 380 remaining delegates at 60%, something she is not going to do.

A few splits and Obama is over 2025.

If he manages to get the necessary majority, it's over, he wins. May it happen. I fear that the rest of the elections are going to be just close enough to deny both of them the majority.

The super delegates do not want an invocation of their very own ghost of Gore in 2000 scenario.

They will be paying attention to the popular vote and the pledged delegates.

And they may not all be needed. I am only referring to the ones already declared.

If neither get the majority, I honestly don't know what they'll do. If the race weren't so damned close, I would think that they'd simply push the top candidate over the majority threshold. With the way it is turning out, I really don't know.

Heh, about the only gratifying part of this whole thing is watching the Democratic House of Lords have to deal with the rules they support.

"The people" kept picking candidates that lost, so the superdelegates kept gaining power, just in case the patricians had to veto the plebians for their own good.

Now, they're faced with having to do that, and they're not exactly relishing the position. If they had any hand in making or supporting the rules, it serves them right.

Fox and Friends...Fox and Fiends...Fox and Fools...Fox and Fuck ups...

Karen @ 103:

ram @ 103:

Karen @ 95:

ram @ 90:

Atheism in action? Good grief.

Then again, I suppose I can't blame you for lashing back at a C&L parasite who links to his own videos on irrelevant threads.

Yeah atheism is one thing whoring your own site though just sents me a bit over the edge.

So, a non-atheist parasite wouldn't bother you as much?

Your comment was an insult to atheists, but should have been directed merely at JoeMarasmus.

Happy to debate you on an open thread about atheism. :)

Atheism is germane, Abraham Lincoln was our first atheist President, as far as I know.

I don't know about Frederick Douglass, or for that matter, Stephen Douglas.

Count me in on any debate.

It's done on purpose, they know what there doing on this. It sets an image into the minds of the non-thinkers, whether it's true or not, now they believe Lincoln (republican) debated a black man Douglas (Democrat). Talk about racism! I'd love to see these fuckers (faux news idiots) have their throats slowly slit on national television and bled to death; why the fuck not, it's come to this. I'm so sick of this shit!

maxbaer (a replica only) @ 85:

Was there no one at Fox to say "My God man have you lost your mind? Can't you see that man is a ni...?

...nit :)

Even sadder -- none of the regular Fox viewers noticed...

"In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? [Or that Abraham Lincoln debated Stephen Douglas?] If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable what then?"
--1984

Karen @ 103:

ram @ 103:

Karen @ 95:

ram @ 90:

Atheism in action? Good grief.

Then again, I suppose I can't blame you for lashing back at a C&L parasite who links to his own videos on irrelevant threads.

Yeah atheism is one thing whoring your own site though just sents me a bit over the edge.

So, a non-atheist parasite wouldn't bother you as much?

Your comment was an insult to atheists, but should have been directed merely at JoeMarasmus.

Happy to debate you on an open thread about atheism. :)

No a non parasite wouldn't me as much.

I can deal with atheists hell I've lived with them.

Assholes and whore are another matter.

Frederick Douglass actually ran for vice-president with the first woman to run for president, does anyone know her name?

I do.

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 85:

Don Davis @ 61:

Bill O’Reilly Claims Frederick Douglass Supported Expansion of Slavery

Mr. Douglass was also known to shout "More iced tea motherfucker!" on several occasions. It's true - Bill O'Reilly said so.

LOL! ROFLMAO!! Oh shit, that was funny!

With Fox interns like that, who needs Friends?

Alice (formerly Hussein, live free of the Borg or die) @ 109:

Karen @ 103:

ram @ 103:

Karen @ 95:

Yeah atheism is one thing whoring your own site though just sents me a bit over the edge.

So, a non-atheist parasite wouldn't bother you as much?

Your comment was an insult to atheists, but should have been directed merely at JoeMarasmus.

Happy to debate you on an open thread about atheism. :)

Atheism is germane, Abraham Lincoln was our first atheist President, as far as I know.

I don't know about Frederick Douglass, or for that matter, Stephen Douglas.

Count me in on any debate.

I think Thomas Jefferson was about as close as we have gotten to an atheist in the White House, at least as far as we know. Lincoln, from what I understand was most definitely not a Christian, but was some sort of ambiguous Deist, like many of the Founders.

As for atheism being germane to the thread because Lincoln might have been one, that's a stretch. It's at best an obvious tangent. JoeMarasmus came on a thread about FUX News' ignorance, and said straight out, anyway, here's my own video of something completely unrelated.

right on Karen about TJ being the closest to an atheist.

Fox must be such a jolly place for interns to work what with sexual harassment and public humiliation. To be fair to the intern he/she was probably asked to find video about the Lincoln Douglas debate not of the debate. I sure got a good laugh about this one.

114: I do, too. Woodhull. Cost me $

Frederick Douglass? Wasn't he the city slicker lawyer who left the big city for a run down farm in Hooterville?

And I thought the Lincoln/Douglas debates were a series of statewide debates for the Illinois Senate seat between Stephen "the little giant" Douglas (incumbent Dem Senator) and A. Lincoln. The seat was up for election in 1858, though U.S.Senator's were actually chosen by the state legislature at that time.

I sure am glad Fox cleared that up for me.

I need to read less, and watch Fox.

Like Lee Camp said: FUX NEWS is just a festival of ignorance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srHpjDL6-ZM

I laugh every time.

Holy crap.

Damn, those debates were almost as good as the Andrew Jackson-Clay Aiken debates of 1824.

It hurts me when I have to ask... Are Americans this stupid???

That's..

I can't decide if that funny or horrible, actually

126 itsamessi Says: It hurts me when I have to ask… Are Americans this stupid???

Yes. Yes we is.

That is stupid on so many different levels, but typical Faux News.

marbotty @ 128:

126 itsamessi Says: It hurts me when I have to ask… Are Americans this stupid???

Yes. Yes we is.

And since Fux News is a cable channel, people here PAY FOR this shit.

But pay for textbooks, teachers' salaries? NOOO...

No doubt they get their interns from the same skool of edumakashun that the justice dept. does.

brando @ 5:

I'd mentioned this earlier on a previous thread - I'm glad you caught and posted it.

Simply unreal. It's one thing to use the wrong person but quite another to naturally assume that in 1858 a black man was debating Lincoln for the Presidency. The levels of stupidity and negligence on this one is beyond palpable.

For the record, I think Frederick Douglass was a hero. It's a side mission in my life to write a screenplay on this amazing persona of U.S. history. Aside from 3 seconds in "Glory" I've never seen the man portrayed in film. That's a shame.

The only problem is that Lincoln was not debating either Douglas for the Presidency. The Lincoln-Douglas Debates were for the 1858 Senate seat from Illinois which, at that time, were appointed by the state legislatures. Stephen Douglas was ultimately selected for the seat by the Illinois legislature.

Ironically, Lincoln did run against Stephen Douglas for the Presidency 2 years later and whipped him that time, even though there were two other credible candidates in the race.

As to Fox News? Again. Unreal.

Fox Noise.....what else would you expect?

Seriously....stop referring to it as a 'news channel'....

When the Owner/Chairman of the board admits to an international press/journalism panel on world wide television that his 'network manipulates the media'.....

Its the televised version of the NY Post (aka the Weekly World News of Newspapers)....

I thought it was Stephen Douglas.

Although I understand that Frederick Douglas was frusterated with Lincoln's cautious approach to ending slavery. Initially, it was just to contain it south of the Mason Dixon line as per William Clay's compromise until the Tawney Court basically threw out that configuration with the Dred Scott case.

Did Dred Scott wear dread-locks?

133 Bitter for Hussein Obama (aka right wing hater)

The now defunct Weekly World News was a satire tabloid. If you looked inside the cover there was a disclaimer saying names were made up unless they were satirizing public figures, and advise the reader to suspend disbelief for the sake of enjoyment.

A better parallel to FAUX news would be the British TV show News of the World.

I forgot, Frederick has two S's in Douglass.

If FAUX news were to refer to the historicity of the Evolution controversy would they say the opposing attornies at the Scope Monkey Trial were Henry Dummond and Matthew Brady?

OH LORD. I've been making this same mistake for about 30 years. I don't recall even seeing a picture of Stephen Douglass and somehow, not being good with names, it never really impinged on my mind that Frederick Douglass and Stephen Douglas weren't the same person! Iy yi yi! And I'm not even an idiot!

Not that this excuses Fox Noise, I mean, FACT-CHECK, you rubes! Just that I've discovered an embarrassing hole in my historical knowledge. I wonder how many OTHER people make this particular mistake since a relatively smart, well-informed, generally-liked-history-in-school person like myself could get it completely and totally WRONG.

How embarrassing.

Toes @ 132:

brando @ 5:

I'd mentioned this earlier on a previous thread - I'm glad you caught and posted it.

Simply unreal. It's one thing to use the wrong person but quite another to naturally assume that in 1858 a black man was debating Lincoln for the Presidency. The levels of stupidity and negligence on this one is beyond palpable.

For the record, I think Frederick Douglass was a hero. It's a side mission in my life to write a screenplay on this amazing persona of U.S. history. Aside from 3 seconds in "Glory" I've never seen the man portrayed in film. That's a shame.

The only problem is that Lincoln was not debating either Douglas for the Presidency. The Lincoln-Douglas Debates were for the 1858 Senate seat from Illinois which, at that time, were appointed by the state legislatures. Stephen Douglas was ultimately selected for the seat by the Illinois legislature.

Ironically, Lincoln did run against Stephen Douglas for the Presidency 2 years later and whipped him that time, even though there were two other credible candidates in the race.

As to Fox News? Again. Unreal.

Yeah, I caught my silly mistake a couple minutes later and made the correction at post 11. I came clean, did Fox? :)

"We report...you decide." OK, Fox...you've reported that Frederick Douglass debated Abraham Lincoln in 1858. And I've decided that you're a bunch of fricking morons.

The old cartoon show "Rocky and Friends" was more intellectual and erudite than Fox and Friends.

Any word on if they're going to get Dana Perino onboard next year as their historical fact checker?

Bob Loblaw @ 110:

It's done on purpose, they know what there doing on this. It sets an image into the minds of the non-thinkers, whether it's true or not, now they believe Lincoln (republican) debated a black man Douglas (Democrat). Talk about racism! I'd love to see these fuckers (faux news idiots) have their throats slowly slit on national television and bled to death; why the fuck not, it's come to this. I'm so sick of this shit!

If it is deliberate, it may redound on them. Even just in a picture, Frederick Douglass is impressive. It was said that his magnificent presence impressed the crowds he spoke to before he even opened his mouth. Look at him; handsome, dignified, intelligent. No Willie Horton he. He bears the face of a man who really could have led a nation wisely and well.

Morons.

Wasn't able to view the video clip last night, for some reason, but now that I see it in context, I can't help but believe this was a case of "When Interns Attack!" Memo to Fox and Freaks: Yeah, that intern sure was dumb, huh? Looking for video of the Lincoln-Douglas debates - yuk, yuk, yuk!! But you guys sure are smart, right? I mean, everybody gets Stephen Douglas confused with Frederick Douglass, right? Right??

That famous debate happened just before Napolean freed the slaves, an event that ended the 100 Years War against against the cows.

Is there a website that keeps track of all the mistakes that are made on "Fox and Friends"? It seems these losers make huge mistakes about once a week.

THIS JUST IN!!! Fox has responded by saying the idea that it is Frederick Douglas in that picture is "just a theory," and that "all the facts are not in." They went on to stress the importance of providing viewers of alternate theories on the Lincoln-Douglas debates, not just the one supported by leftwing extremists in the liberal (reality-based) media.

Give the FOX interns a break. They have to keep one eye peeled for O'Reilly and his randy falafel.

Just another Fox-up by the boys. My guess is that their fans will whine that the intellectuals are after them again! Just another reason NOT to elect a smart President!

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