Conyers Tells White House Iran Attack = Impeachment
By Nicole Belle Tuesday May 13, 2008 7:15pm
It appears that despite record disapproval ratings and two failed occupations under his belt already, George Bush and his various mouthpieces are determined to beat the war drums to attack Iran.
Rep. John Conyers isn't having it:
As we and others have continued to review troubling legal memoranda and other materials from your Administration asserting the power of the President to take unilateral action, moreover, our concerns have increased still further. For example, although federal law is clear that proceeding under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) "shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance" can be conducted within the U.S. for foreign intelligence purposes, 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(f), the Justice Department has asserted that the National Security Agency's warrantless wiretapping in violation of FISA is "supported by the President's well-recognized inherent constitutional authority as Commander in Chief and sole organ for the Nation in foreign affairs".6 As one legal expert has explained, your Administration's "preventive paradigm" has asserted "unchecked unilateral power" by the Executive Branch and violated "universal prohibitions on torture, disappearance, and the like."7
Late last year, Senator Joseph Biden stated unequivocally that "the president has no authority to unilaterally attack Iran, and if he does, as Foreign Relations Committee chairman, I will move to impeach" the president. 8
We agree with Senator Biden, and it is our view that if you do not obtain the constitutionally required congressional authorization before launching preemptive military strikes against Iran or any other nation, impeachment proceedings should be pursued. Because of these concerns, we request the opportunity to meet with you as soon as possible to discuss these matters. As we have recently marked the fifth year since the invasion of Iraq, and the grim milestone of 4,000 U.S. deaths in Iraq, your Administration should not unilaterally involve this country in yet another military conflict that promises high costs to American blood and treasure.
Please call your Congressperson at 202-224-3121 or e-mail them and ask them to sign on to this letter.
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It's JUST THAT EASY.
Good for him. Speaking truth to power works even better when you're already in power.
Why Wait?
Plenty of reasons right now.
SHOULD be pursued? Don't you mean WILL be ???
If Bush attacks a second country without a damn good reason he can expect every one of his generals to resign and he better pray they done take further actions.
Um...is it just me? If a preemptive strike in Iran warrants impeachment, why isn't he impeached for the exact same act in Iraq?
Better late than never Mr. Conyers, give 'em hell.
If Bu$hCo attacks Iran, the Dems won't do a goddamned thing about it but sign yet another war funding bill. Who does Conyers and Biden think they're kidding?
Impeach the bastard as a preemptive measure!!!
You already have monstrous abuse of power by Bush.
Impeach him now.
Alice we're all African @ 9:
best idea i've heard all day.
So if dear decider decides to attack Iran in October, will the dems give the excuse that it's too late to bother with impeachment?
Why wait for him to attack Iran? By then, it will be too late. The Corporate Media will rally around Bush and blame the Democrats for playing politics during a time of war. They should impeach now while the getting is good.
An attack on Iran would be a disaster. One meme that needs to spread among war opponents is that just maintaining Iraq is hemorrhaging money like there's no tomorrow. Iraq is mostly level. Now, picture occupying Iran, which is much larger, has three times the population, mountainous terrain, and a willingness to die that wasn't present to the same degree in Iraq (compare Iraqi tactics in the 80s war with Iranian tactics). Picture that occupying Iran for one year has a cost roughly equal to the entire military budget allotted for 2008. Tell all this to a wingnut, and ask if ruining the nation is worth invading Persia.
Dems impeach Bush regardless of what he does?
Bullshit. I'll believe it when I see it.
Traitors. Impeachment was obvious 5 years ago. These mouth piece motherfuckers threw the Constitution to the curb and promoted rule of man over Rule of Law.
Political calculations my ass, these pussies, Conyers included, screwed this country.
stop! or next time I'll use bolder fonts!
Don't make me have to use underscore and italics!
"....imeachment proceedings should be pursued." I'll bet George W. Bush is trembling.
Could've, would've, should've and DIDN'T!
Everytime one of these @ssholes says something like this and don't back it up with action, the other side smirks and pisses on them -- AND US!
"proceedings should be pursued"
Should.
Should.
Should?
Should?
How about WILL. WILL. WILL.
My Senator is Feingold. Hell, like I even need to ask :D
Of course they don't care, but why on EARTH should the WH believe the Paper Tiger that are the Democrats?
it's like a parent telling a child who destroyed all his toys except one and you tell him "If you blow up one more toy...I'm going to take all your toys away!" it's too little to late after he starts up with Iran. how about Conyers brings impeachment charges for the past crimes instead of waiting for just one more?
Political calculations my ass, these pussies, Conyers included, screwed this country.
Fuckin' Amen. At least Bush has the excuse that he's delusional, doesn't have any morals,
and is too fucking stupid to articulate how amoral what he has inflicted on this country is.
What excuse does the Dem leadership have?
Bush ain't attacking shit!
Who would lend us the money??
Come on get real!
We as Americans need to demand real interpreters and translators instead of firing them all like this asshole in the Whitehouse did.
His excuse?...they were all gay.
All so HE can decide what the Iranian Pres is saying.
Maybe God tells Bush what Ahmadinejad is saying.
Thank god someone is finally speaking some kind of sense! If these people don't do something now, they are going to wake up one day to realize that they no longer have any power to do anything.
They should have reigned in this admin long ago, but at this stage, I will take anything, no matter how late it comes!
And while we're at it...send them out of the country so they can be tried. Since they have already been charged with war crimes, let's let the games begin, shall we?
I get all tingly at the thought of these criminals finally paying for their crimes!
Uh, Conyers, that was "Speak softly but carry a big stick". Do, don't threaten.
Well is it any surprise that King George is over in the land of milk and honey to celebrate Isreals 60th birthday, or is he there egging the Israelis on to do the dirty work of the US my instigating a war with Iran? Bush is insane and Conyers knows it.
I'm betting after hearing this, Bush and Cheney are sitting back and laughing their asses off. Unless they're impeached right now, this whole administration will walk out of this without a scratch.
StevePam @ 24:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has no power in the Islamic Republic. The Ayatollah won't even let him play with sharp toys.
When Ali Khameini makes a threat, then worry. Armored Dinner Jacket is nothing but a real-life Internet troll.
John Conyers can tell me the sun comes up in the east. Then I'll have to wait and see.
General_Rennenkampf @ 29:
And a grossly misquoted troll at that. Its a joke what Whitehouse propaganda says Ahmadinejad says vs. what he REALLY says.
Impeachment hell!!! Immediate arrest and incarceration would be most appropriate first. If georgie and dick don't get shanked the first night THEN think about impeachment.
what a bunch of spineless cowards.
hey sonny....if you shoot your gun we'll start a long drawn out legal process that will be meaningless a few months after you leave office.
what a pathetic joke. when did americans become the most weak kneed bunch of cowards on the planet?
EWA @ 16:
You got it!
StevePam @ 31:
Yes. Another joke is that Armored Dinner Jacket is as popular in Iran as the Shrub is here. Ain't the Cosmic Joker grand?
Kay @ 6:
it's not just you.
Imagine what a different world it would be if Dems had super majorities. Whole different ball game. I hope the Bush/Cheney folks realise this ain't going away. Ever. They will not get away with these crimes. The people will not have it.
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I believe we will attack Iran. We invaded Iraq to create a powerbase to control the distribution of the last cheap, sweet crude oil reserves left in the world so that powers such as China don't.
Iran's regional power was to be broken, but unfortunately for the neocons, the opposite has occured. To restore the balance in our favor, Iran's military and political capability must be taken out.
It's a sick game of Risk folks. Iran either complies, or they will be attacked. Had Iraq been the easy war the neocons had wanted, they already would have been.
Of course that may change if Obama is elected. Then again, don't put it past these neocon fascist traitors to eliminate him and his entire cabinet ala Rwanda (that's what happened to there) to restart their effort to expand the empire.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/14/conyers-tells-white-house-iran-...
Lol: )
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 37:
We'll get the bastards eventually. There's too much evidence to just sweep these crimes under the rug. The American people can't take much more insecurity and fear. They have a breaking point.
However, there's great risk in going after these traitors. Expect violent resistance from the Right. We have a good chance of fighting yet another civil war in the coming decades.
Shock and Awe baby!
Sorry Conyers. You've cried wolf once too often.
When you floated the idea of impeachment before, looking for a public reaction - and we all shouted "yes!!" and then you did nothing... and over and over.
If Conyers were ever interested in upholding the law, looking for valid reasons to impeach, he would have found them easily years ago.
Conyers will never go there. Never.
yakfitguy @ 39:
If they really think that way, they're damn fools. The country most likely to benefit from taking Iranian oil out is Russia. Not just Europe will be held over the barrel by Russia, then, no sir! It'll be the rest of the fucking planet!!!
Oh, oh!
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 37:
Super majorities are nothing without spines.
General_Rennenkampf @ 44:
Exellent point
"We’ll get the bastards eventually. There’s too much evidence to just sweep these crimes under the rug."
You're living in a fantasy world. The Bushites have been committing crimes throughout their entire term of office, and nothing has happened. Nothing is going to happen AFTER they leave office.
A Dem. president and congress are not going to risk ruining their chances to enact their agenda by spending their time on pursuing Bush crimes after they are out of office. There may be a little bit of lip service, there may be a few peons and low level people prosecuted, names we've never heard of... but Rove, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, all of them - NOTHING is going to happen to them.
NOTHING.
They are going to live out their lives in luxury, with bloated estates full of blood money to leave behind to their offspring.
That's how it works. Even if we find a way to dismantle the corporate control of government (which is a long shot) it will come too late to do anything about these criminals.
Sorry to break it to you, but living in a fantasy world makes it impossible to see what must an can be done in the real world.
Hahahahahaa.........impeach? Hahahahahaa.........um.......ok......whatever you say.....if they had ANY itch to do this, it would have been done long long ago and the Shrub knows it.
When the Bush administration took over, I remember it being noted that the "adults" were finally in charge. Being adults, they would have had to remember the Iraq/Iran war in the 1980s and would have noted that Iraq under Saddam was Iran's number one national security problem.
Prior to the Iraq war, Bush had declared Iran, (as well as Iraq), as a part of an "axis of evil". So, given the neocon mindset, I see absolutely no chance that the neocons intended to neutralize Iran's security threat, and allow an expansion of Iran's influence in the area, primarily through an affinity with the majority Shiites in Iraq. I think they really believed in their cakewalk war, and thought they would have ground troops available to deal with Iran. So, while we all see this as a fiasco, I suspect privately, any real red blooded neocon sees the current situation as a real disaster, despite the public bluster. It must be really sticking in the neocon's craw that Iran is the number one beneficiary of the Iraq war so far. I don't know how the neocon thinks about leaving bin-Laden on the loose, because this boogeyman is useful for marketing defense appropriations. However, I am assuming that the neocon is chomping at the bit to attack Iran to negate the benefits of the Iraq war and set them back a bit.
Maybe it'll happen as soon as when Bush returns from the Middle East. If so, we'll be looking back at the current period, when gasoline is so cheap. ;-)
Now if we can just get Nancy off the table. If Nancy ain't happy, nobody happy. She says impeachment is off the table. So guess Conyers will have to go it alone.
Really? If Bush bombs another country, he'll be impeached? That's the bar for impeachment now? Abso-fuckin-lutely amazing. I wonder if Conyers thinks he's being a good watch dog for the liberties and rights of Americans with this rhetoric...
Kay @ 6:
I'm actually more concerned that violating our civil rights, taking away habeas corpus and torturing people doesn't merit impeachment. But hey, I'll take what i can get.
craig @ 48:
The government responds to pressure from it's citizens. If we put enough pressure on them, they will impeach. That's the bottom line. They didn't impeach Nixon because it was the right thing to do. They impeached Nixon because they were afraid of what would happen if they didn't.
..."should"?
craig @ 48:
Don't be so sure. I agree that corporate control is a reality and that the status quo will not allow such justice.
However, that's the variable...the status quo. The system as we know it is unsustainable. A world-wide economic collapse is coming and with that will come highly unpredictable, perhaps even violent political change. History tells us the overstretched empires with diseffected populations eventually implode.
I say we have a 50/50 chance of either restoring our democracy and rule of law (given that's relative), or scrapping it all together for a fascist state.
Either way, our current political reality won't last. It can't.
Similarily, justice will be dealt to these people. Either brought to trial ala Pinochet or something much more violent.
This country is doomed, a nation formed with stolen land, slave labor, and killing of millions around the world for riches is doomed. Rev. Wright is absolutely right.
Dugg it
Bull Shit they will Impeach this SOB if he starts another WAR, these stinking Pussies will sit down and shut the F up like their told. Conyers is a lap dog for these ass holes and it's getting old.
Forgive me for being a little cynical here, and as good as the words sound, they are after all "just words".
Besides, they won't have a leg to stand on since Congress already passed Kyl-LIEberman which paves the way for a pre-emtive attack,and for which Hillary voted.
Seriously, how many Democrats will get on board with this impeachment thing?
Hillary has already said she would obliterate Iran, which in and of itself is against international law.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/hillary-should-be-dismiss_b_1000...
What a joke Conyers has become.
s/b 'preemptive' - not 'emtive'
Given the administration's disapproval level and the country's distaste for the wars we're already in, any attack on Iran would require a massive "attitude-adjusting" event here, blamed on Iran (as Brzezinski warned over a year ago), and you can bet the administration knows this. Were this to happen, Conyers & Co. would be silenced instantly and America would buy the whole lie just like it did 6-1/2 years ago.
E in MD @ 54:
Only if it's a voting year, will they SAY that. Actually going through with it? Well, I'm not holding my breath.
Didn't the Senate win back a majority based on the promise of ending the occupation in Iraq? How long ago was that? How many casualties since then? How many more BILLIONS since then?
Perhaps the reason Dumbya wants to keep adding to the National Petroleum Reserve is to be sure the military has fuel once the oil markets go nuts due to his attack on Iran?
Just wondering. But I think immediate impeachment would be the only way to stop them, and impeachment takes too much time (and the GOP won't cooperate anyway) but it should be done.
first you have to find a REAL democrat in the senate , then , oh hell thier cant be over two democrats in the senate never mind!!!!!!!!!!!!
conyers talks the talk, too bad he can't walk.
One of the things the Bush admin has been able to do effectively is get the media and even anti-war folks to use the term preemptive.
There was nothing preemptive about Iraq. It was "preventive." preemptive is a just response to an immediate threat. Preventive is a war crime.
Preventive and Preemptive
DoD Dictionary of Military Terms
preventive war - (DOD) A war initiated in the belief that military conflict, while not imminent, is inevitable, and that to delay would involve greater risk
http://www.au.af.mil/ au/ awc/ awcgate/ awc-law.htm#preventive
Calling the invasion and occupation of Iraq preemptive one is buying into Bushco's doublespeak. Preventive war was what Germany did in WWI and WWII, and what the US did in Iraq.
yeah right. . .
What good will Impeachment do after Bush fakes a terrorist attack (on American soil) blaming it on Iran, declares martial law, nukes Iran (starting WW3 , nuclear holocaust) and throws every Democrat (except Lieberman) in jail?
We know the evil, treacherous Bushies want it, how can we stop them before the catastrophic blunder?
ezpz @ 60:
I have to agree with that. There is, however one wildcard I haven't figured out yet, and that is China. I believe China has some kind of relationship with Iran. And, I think I've heard that China has privately threatened to dump dollars if Iran is attacked. Republican borrow and spend economics have given a communist potential adversary leverage over our economy. They have about $1.2 trillion in cash and $400 Billion in U.S. debt. (Yep, free trade works really well, so long as you're not American). We'll see. Then again maybe the attack won't happen.
If Bush was successfully impeached wouldn't v.p. Cheney do the same thing that v.p. Ford did when Nixon resigned in disgrace? Yes he would PARDON BUSH and there goes the head chimp, pardoned for ALL his crimes, FOREVER free and clear !! Maybe that's the way Reid & Polosi see it and aren't doing anything about impeachment right now?
I'm sure Reid and Pelosi will send off their stern letters.
crap, busted link fixed:
justabill @ 68:
Calling the invasion and occupation of Iraq preemptive one is buying into Bushco's doublespeak. Preventive war was what Germany did in WWI and WWII, and what the US did in Iraq. ...
Please do not use the term preemptive when talking about Iraq or another preventive attack on Iran.
We absolutely need to put Bush and Cheney and especially LIEberman and friends on notice that any such act will mean impeachment proceedings. That said, after such an attack, we would then be involved in a fight that would take real involvement and sacrifice. Many Americans, see West Virginia, see Pennsylvania, don't have a clue what this would mean. Given the current state of affairs, China and Saudi Arabia would pull their financial rugs out from under us. We are now realistically looking at $5 a gallon gas by election day. War with Iran could easily mean NO gas at $20 a gallon plus major attacks on our allies in Europe and even America. For every action there is a reaction. Be careful what you wish for.
And Lieberman seems to be totally on another planet. He needs to be shut up big time. He cannot keep playing both sides against the middle. He is a very small, stupid man. And John Hagee and Rod Parsley and John McCain need to be exposed for the end times worshipers they really are.
Bravo, Chairman Conyers.
NoBuddy @ 71:
That makes sense. China basically owns us and I don't see how it would behoove anyone to attack Iran, but then again, Iraq is far from the success it was touted to be BEFORE the fact.
Similarily, justice will be dealt to these people. Either brought to trial ala Pinochet or something much more violent.
That is utter fantasy. Even if your 50/50 ends up on the happier side of the coin (regaining control of our democracy versus fascism) it is NOT going to happen in one swift movement, and it is not going to be finished in the next couple of years.
If, and its a very big if, we get our country back, it will take years of hard work. And there are going to be no impeachment proceedings and no trials of these people if it doesn't happen in the next year. Even Democrats in complete control won't do it. Because they know one thing - people get tired of hearing bad news all of the time. And if there are lengthy trials, people will get tired of hearing about it and will blame the government in power at the time, in a general sense of "all this bad news - all politicians are crooks" etc.
And the corporate media will spend the entire time making the Dems look bad for their constant "divisiveness," there will be constant calls for "bipartisanship," people will demand we "look to the future and not at the past," etc.
And even with all of that if there still persisted an investigation and trial, only underlings would be convicted. GOP loyalists would take the fall, and the ones at the top would get off scott-free. Even a Dem president would pardon them for the sake of "national unity" rather than be a target and a flashpoint for future conservative claims of being "stabbed in the back." (look to history to see what that claim is about)
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and the rest of them will NOT see justice. To think that they will is simply delusional.
The best we can hope for is that we can perhaps prevent this from happening again. And even that is no gimmee.
The Big Question everyone should be asking: Will the Mossad disguise itself as Iran and attack America? If that happens -- a big if --Bush can claim he has to "protect" us and cancel elkections.
additionally::
...And we'd have no other alternative than to bomb Iran.
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why aren't we invading myanmar?
Why does Conyers remind me of "Peter And The Wolf"?
Conyers is grandstanding. The chances that Bush will preemptively attack Iran before January 09 are practically nil. He might as well say he'll impeach if Bush runs over Cindy Sheehan with his Segway.
Will Conyers impeach McCain? An attack by McCain is conceivable. But then he'd be impeaching a guy who just got on the job. Impeachment is off the table for the honeymoon period, which is all the time McCain needs to start his Big Fist For Oil campaign.
You don't have to impeach anybody if it's a false flag. Clever.
That's how it'll be done.
With all due respect to Rep. Conyers, why wasn't Bush impeached a long time ago?!? With less than six months to go before the election, it seems virtually pointless to talk about impeachment at this point since the odds are good that Bush will have left office at the end of his second term before any hearings are completed -- making impeachment about as effective as locking the barn doors only after the cattle have already been rustled and turned into ground round.
And for those who believe that Bush will get his comeuppance in the end...has it occurred to any of you that perhaps the reason why the Bush family purchased that 90,000+ acre property in Paraguay (in cash, yet!) is because Bush is planning to make a run for the border as soon as he leaves office? (One thing is certain...it seems highly unlikely that he's going down there for the beaches, since Paraguay happens to be landlocked.) If that is indeed what he's planning, I think it's safe to assume that he never would have made the purchase without making certain beforehand that any efforts to extradite him back to the United States would at the very least be met with resistance if not impeded outright. After all, if memory serves, that's how several Nazi war criminals managed to escape facing the punishment for their crimes (or at least for a time).
Once the Shrub attacks Iran...
Conyers:
So the Shrub attacks North Korea...
Conyers:
etc.
NoBuddy @ 71:
The relationship between China and Iran is very simpe: Iran is China's principal oil supplier.
That is why they recently switched to trading oil in Euros and Yuans. There is no way the US will dare attack the main oil supplier for the largest standing army in the world.
Don't pop the cork yet, boys...
Conyers threat means nothing because Bush would never invade Iran without Congressional assent. Instead, what Bush will do is MANUFACTURE Congressional assent like last time.
The war in Iraq actually WAS authorized by Congress. The authorization came in the form of the October2002 resolution that TOM DASCHLE allowed to come to a full vote. One week later, the Democratic Party suffered staggering defeats for national offices.
If Bush decides to invade Iraq... he'll pull off the same crap as last time. He'll start making whispers and threatening gestures in the general direction of the Democratic leadership until they start becoming afraid of their own shadow. Then, when they're reaching a critical mass like in October 2002, he'll force through a Congressional war authorization that will be backed up by Blue Dog Democrats and people like Joe Lieberman.
There'll be hell to pay but the Republican wingnuts will still get what they want.
V LaRoche @ 83:
And even then it would be: "Geez, anybody can make an innocent mistake."
this is not enough... listen to me on this...
Conyers and congress must also communicate to the pentagon that following illegal orders, even from the president, will result in criminal charges...
the General staff must know that they will also be held accountable...
i'll stop now... and keep this short and sweet.
Otay @ 89:
I don't think Conyers is grand standing. I think he finally put a shot across the bow of the Bush war machine. atleast I hope so.
#87: "There is no way the US will dare attack the main oil supplier for the largest standing army in the world".
Yes it would: if America/Israel was attacked by a false flag making it APPEAR that Iran was doing the attacking when it really wasn't, then all bets are off: America would have to "defend" its ally and bomb Iran, and neither China nor anyone else could do anything about it.
Peter Hollman @ 90:
Brilliant and well put. What part of enough don't these people understand?
seditious @ 8:
does this match the new Congressional teeth ?
" As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents
more and more closely the inner soul of the people.
On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land
will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House
will be adorned by a downright moron."
— H. L. Mencken
July 26,1920
What's more if America/Israel is attacked by a plane or something wrapped FALSELY in the Iranian flag and America is "forced" to bomb Iran to protect poor little defenceless Israel, we the electorate will experience the FEAR again and we will vote for McCain to be protected OR the elections will be cancelled. Probably the former. That's how McCain will become president. The fear card diabolically played.
If Bush & his VP are impeached in Oct, Nov or later, Bush will be unable to sign those hundreds of sweet sweet pardons he is planning on.
Beware when President Bush starts acting happy...and goofier than normal. It means he has made up his mind...to start another war with a country that has never attacked us. He's at peace, mentally. He's "decided," since he's the Decider-of-the-Universe. Time to throw caution to the wind, and attack, attack, attack...no matter what the dire consequences to our country and our military.
speaking of pardons...
i have a suggestion... assuming there are pardons galore on Bushbabies way out...
i want to see President Obama "render" every senior official in the Bush administration to the Hague...
i know it won't happen... as my mother used to say "life isn't fair"...
Support the brief administration of President Pelosi!
mudshark @ 91:
"At least I hope so" is the operative part of that sentence.
Impeachment? What the F**K is that?
oh sorry, I seeing what it was like to role play the speaker of the house.
congress is like the bad mother who keeps threatening to punish her child and then does shit
that kid grows up to be a fucking mass murderer
either shut up or do it already
god, there are enuf counts now to go for full blown impeachment...but the scared bitches wont do it
Oh yes...we know how serious this congress is about impeachment. Looks like bush could become a serial killer and congress wouldn't touch him. Conyers is starting his re-election campaign. I don't believe anything they say..they have promised so much and given so little.
Impeachment? For bombing Iran???? WTF? So what about impeachment for Iraq lies? Gitmo? Abu Ghraib?
What a load of shit. I'm voting dem for the forseeable future, but I'm ultimately voting for the least disgusting jackasses - NOT the best legislators.
Yo, Conyers!!! Where the F*cK have you been? What crack-pipe have you been smokin!!!
(and to give them credit, they have a useless "majority" in both houses at this point...)
Holee-shit. We gots what we deserveds with this WHITE house. (prayse jesus)
WTF? Why wait? Impeach the bastards now!
The Oracle @ 98:
Brilliant observation. I sort of thought of the same thing myself, but you articulated it well. Remember he's just met with Olmert, his partner in crime. Watch out everyone.
We can't afford to left him burn the house down before doing something about him. The very notion of impeachment ONLY AFTER STARTING ANOTHER ILLEGAL WAR is absurd to the utmost. He must be stopped before he can pull us into another war. I'm sure he would like nothing better right now than to leave an Iran war as his parting gift to those terrible Democrats who will in large part inherit Congress.
If Bush attacks Iran, the democrats are poised to discuss a possible date to hold hearings that could lead to a non-binding vote, that will call for the formation of a comittee, to look into the feasability of drafting a very stern letter, that might be signed by members of the judiciary comittee, expressing their great dissappointment in these supposed actions of the White House.
If this fails, they are ready to convene into conferences, to debate the possiblilty of voting to call for a quorom, that could lead to a vote, that would possibly call for the discussion of an independent committee, to talk about possibly investigating the various ways to legally bring the White House to accountability.
In other news today, Dick Cheney say's "fuck you!"
Bush is an aristocrat. Honest. He has lived his live in a bubble. Those around him let him see what will please him. Recall that there was a seven mile 'zone' around his daughters wedding ... seven miles.
I wouldnt expect him to hear of this. And if he does, he is likely to see it as just another assault on his presidency.
If he does attack Iran, it will be described as an attack on Iraq. Or at least a preemptive attack on persons and material in Iran that is destined for Iraq. He is unchallenged - sadly - with regard to his authority to wage a war in Iraq. I doubt Conyers will even be noticed.
Conyers doesnt have my respect. This is bluff and bluster. He should have pursued the truth and justice years ago. This is triangulation with no real chance of success. It is an implicit 'deal' that says - Mr. Bush, you may leave office with your honor in tact even after all that you have done - we will destroy the notion of justice in exchange for your not repeating the criminal acts that started the war in Iraq.
Conyers should resign.
There will be no impeachment. There will be no war crimes trials. It will be just like the 2006 mid-terms all over again - lots of talk in order to get elected, then nothing. The America you learned about in school is dead and gone, if it ever really existed in the first place. R.I.P. USA
Does anyone remember when Randi Rhodes repeatedly said before the 2006 election that if WE gave her a Democratic congress she'd deliver John Conyers' letters of impeachment? Anyone?
Conyers+Pelosi+Reid = One BIG disappointment after another.
If Conyers doesn't feel Bush deserves to be impeached already, he never will.
Forget impeachment. Tell him he will be arrested and possibly committed.
impeachment? ssdd. perhaps this can explain our current resident in chief: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
but what about those of who denied and defied those actions from the start? can't be me, i'm not certified, besides, i can't afford health insurance. but i know (call it women's intuition) that years from now the connection that the current resident and his "{background" in oil will rear it's ugly head and speak volumes.
All talk and no action. I'll believe it when I see it.
NOW he threatens impeachment?? Christ on a pogo stick. Bush and Cheney have committed enough crimes and misdemeanors to have been shitcanned a half dozen times over.
It's a bit late to grow a pair.
ya know @ 28:
The true asshole I want to get is Addington. They continually asked, "can we do this", "can we do that", and he said "knock yourselves out". This true sorcerer knew and knows he is in control of confirmed nut jobs. Cheney is a psychopath not to mention Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle, etc. Rice is totally fucked-up. Watch out these malcontents are still in power and they are cooking up a new stew. Buy gold.
IMPEACH NOW! IMPEACH YESTERDAY! WMD LIES! TORTURE, FISA, POLITICAL FIRING OF PROSECUTORS ETC ETC ETC IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH!
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Fuck the Fucker for God's sake. The populace at large wants his ass. Let's put him thru agony the same way he did to us!
So wait. The Democrats have to wait for Bush to destroy another country before they impeach Bush. So I guess it's like a video game, huh. Reach a certain bodycount and the cops show up.
Conyers and the rest of the Dems talked tough before as well, why should I believe them now. Their just throwing a bone out to liberals so we won't vote their asses out for more progressive candidates.
Bullsh*t. What's stopped them up to this point. I'm sure the administration is shaking in its boots.
Is Conyers going to write a "stern letter" to Busholini? Puhleeze.
I don't think that Shrub has any particular fear of impeachment, but the military brass should be made aware of the consequences of obeying illegal orders. Patreaus in particular should understand that illegally attacking Iran could cause him to be prosecuted as a war criminal.
Give me a flippin' break. This is just more useless stalling by Conyers, who doesn't have the first clue about how to play offense.
SHOULD be pursued?
Not WILL?
Not SHALL?
Not MUST?
Even if Conyers did mean it, why in the hell should we have to wait for another couple of million innocent people and who knows how many of our troop to die for more of Bushco's lies?
Jeezus, people. Wake up. This letter from Conyers is completely worthless.
Country Joe had a song that was pointedly intended to needle his audience: "We love the Viet Cong, We love the Pathet Lao" etc. It demonstrated that eventually everyone has their limits to what they will sit through. It's nice to see there is _something_ Conyers would impeach these monsters for. I guess.
John Perry @ 125:
I agree. Conyers has a J.D.; he should know that semantics are extremely important in legal and political memoranda. The important term used in legislation everywhere is "shall."
FOX is State Sponsored TV @ 37:
The people? The people don't have shit to do with it, because Congress is complicit in supporting business over citizens, cash donations over country.
The pussification of America has resulted in a world where twerp like Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld get to be tough guys. Gimme a break.
enough @ 93:
"We're all on Ambien here." --attributed to Colin Powell circa 2002
I do not understand why they are waiting. Bush has done so many things to allow his impeachment. If he starts another war, it is already too late. IMPEACH NOW. Impeach before there are any more armless, legless soldiers doomed to a life of hell.
I believe I read that 75 % of the people want him impeached. Why are they not listening to the will of the people?Why has Nancy Pelosi said as soon as she was elected to speaker of the house that impeachment was not on the table? Have you people seen all the petitions on many websites to impeach. Again....don't wait for him to start another war so he can sit back and enjoy the dilema that he has put the Democrats in.
Conyers...Yeah ..a bunch of bullshit..talks alot of what hes going to do..then bends over likes the other Democrats and gets his ass fucked...BIG BULLSHIT...cant believe a thing he says..
The gauntlet has been thrown...now we see what Bush Co. does with it.
They know that since the MS results, they don't have political capital to spend. Do they really want to force the remaining Repubs in Congress to block impeachment just to save his candy ass?
John Conyers, is a sell out ass wipe, and joins the ranks of cocksucker with Nancy Pelosi.
1. Bush will do what he wants.
2. ?
3. Congress will nothing.
4. Profit
5. ?
Ken @ 81:
Damn good question. They have hydrocarbon resources, and would be
much easier to defeat the Iraq. Thailand is already moving in (but, not
militarily).
Want the real answer? Israel & the Zionists don't give a fuck about Burma.
Otay @ 46:
Yep.
V LaRoche @ 83:
And what, even hypothetically speaking, makes you think McCain will win the Presidency? The only thing that separates him from George Bush is that he has about him a sense of integrity (in that he, unlike many Republicans, actually served in the armed forces) and honor. Other than that though, the guy is a bit of a loon.
I suspect that what's he's selling, the bulk of Americans aren't buying. The 2009 elections are Obama's to lose (that being said, the Democrats have the uncanny ability–if it could be used for good it would actually fall in the category of 'super-powers'–to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory).
Cheney will answer "so".
How much evidence does Congress need to impeach these psychopaths now? Another million dead Iraqi people? Another 4000 U.S. soldiers? Another 4 million Iraqi refugees? More unsubstantiated intelligence about Iran?
What the hell will it take to take these war criminals out?
Or wil lies under oath about a blowjob do?
Something seems to be missing here. Iran has already committed acts of war against American troops in Iraq. Iran is responsible for the deaths of many of the 4000 American heros who lost their lives in Iraq. Threats of impeachment will only embolden Iran to try and kill even more American soldiers because now they know they can do so with impunity.
Another forgotten piece of history is all of the UN violations that Saddam Hussein committed with regards to WMD and numerous other UN violations - all of which were precursors that lead up to the war. Lets also not forget that Saddam murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and used poisonous gas (Yes a "weapon of mass destruction") to murder thousands of Kurds. People also tend to forget that Saddam tried to assasinate a former US president, George Bush Sr - that in itself is an act of war.
Liberal, left wing zealots like Conyers like to "pile on" these days without thinking of the consequences. I'm sure that the Islamic facists of the world who's goal is the destruction of Israel and the west and rise of Islamic states through terrorism are enjoying all of this finger pointing. The left will be the first to blame the Bush administration for the next attack on America (which is inevitable by the way) because we brought it on ourselves and as Obama's pastor Mr Wright would say because "the chickens have some home to roost". More utter nonsense because the left refuses to accept the reality of Islamic facisim.
While I did not vote for George W in the last election and I certainly don't agree with the prosecution of the war and of course many mistakes have been made and lives lost tragically, I think as Americans we need to try and keep things in perspective and understand how we got to where we are and think rationally about the best way forward.
Christ, I hate the GOP...
Congress can certainly tell the military what would happen to funding and the like if they should be so foolish as to support Bush in any Iran mis-adventure. Perhaps Conyers should also issue a stern warning to the theater commanders about any action that does not have explicit and specific congressional support.
Bush knows that McCain is the only candidate who will declare war with Iran. Bush also knows that this country will not vote McCain into the Presidency and nor will country accept another fraudulent election, which is the only way McCain could win the Presidency is to steal the election like GW did.
It is for this reason that GW Bush will declare a state of Emergency and institute martial law and cancel the 2008 election- this will happen at the very last minute. I am sure that Bush will even give his goodbye speech. It will be this kind of last minute flim-flam that will send Americans spinning into confusion- but in the end, Americans will take it right up the ass and the small violent dissension and protesting activists will be rounded up and hauled away.
WWlll has already begun- its just that most people don't know it yet.
You'll see!
Billy @ 135:
The Junta in Burma is backed by the PRC - and Bush doesnt want to interfere with trade there.
JJ @ 139:
Concern troll duly tagged.
Darrell Kern @ 142:
This country, which allowed Bush into office not once, but twice, both elections marred by vote fraud, and whose citizens did nothing to protest said vote fraud, is completely capable of putting John McCain in office.
Mark my words: this will be a "normal" election. McCain's majority will be clear enough that all questions of vote fraud will be muffled if not silent altogether. The demoralization of thinking and feeling citizens will roll on. McCain might even do something about gas prices, make some gesture that would bring prices down, like 50 cents a gallon. That will create enough diffident gratitude that he'll essentially have carte blanche as long as he needs. The Bush Machine will continue to work, like rust which never sleeps, at marginalizing, spying on, harassing, and eventually culling dissidents. At some point the steel claws will pierce through the velvet glove, but we'll all be so broken by that time it will hardly register. We'll just get on the bus. We saw what happens to resisters.
MargeAggedon @ 4:
Don't you mean WHEN WILL IT be ??
mystic @ 84:
The rest of the world didn't believe Poland attacked Germany.
The rest of the world will not believe Iran attacked America.
The letters people have promising that the US will not attack them is all they have. They gave up their weapons due to peace, but America wants hegmonic domination of the world. That cannot occur.
E in MD @ 54:
Oh really? The government responds to pressure from it's citizens?
I recall February 15th 2003, when the largest pro-peace demonstration in the history of the world took place. What happened then? 1 month later, operation Shock and Awe took place and the rest is history.
The masses of sheep have become complacent and the ruling elite know it. Nothing is going to happen - especially not impeachment.
I'll repeat what has been said Ad Nauseaum... Clinton was impeached for getting his dingaling sucked by a fat chick.
Bush started an illegal war on false pretenses and nothing happened.
What makes you think something will happen now?
The Republican Guard was labeled as a terrorist organization. Bush compared Ahmadinejad to Hitler while on his trip to celebrate Israel's 60th anniversary. The drums of war started beating a long time ago my friends...
Impeachment - HA!
Good luck on that one.
JJ @ 139:
You are proof that Right-wing propaganda works beautifully. Get a clue moron.
V LaRoche @ 145:
They used that last card with Bush. If McCain gets elected the country will be divided heavily with dissension. It will spin out of control fast because McCain is a galactic moron and the people know this. The $600.00 tax rebate checks did nothing and nor will a gesture of falling gasoline prices as suggestion of good faith. The people are tired of being fooled which is why 9/11 will NOT go away- and the people are waiting for the next false flag operation to call bullshit.
We are hanging on by a thread which is taught not loose as it was four years ago.
Obama is talking a good show which is more in line with what the people want- sure its all talk and we will see what he implements if elected- which would be nothing of course and this will be the straw that breaks the camels back- and the powers that be are fully ware of this. Cheney is not seeking election and this has not gone unnoticed!!
These evil murders will not walk away from power- and nor will they allow anyone to the post who is not puppetable.
We have reached critical mass they have only one move- to force their agenda and hope for the best with damage control.
There will be no election because the people do not support another war and will not tolerate another war- even though it has already begun.
You under estimate the power of the people.
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