Lieberman to Speak at CUFI Event; Hagee Must Still Be Moses
By Jon Perr Monday May 26, 2008 2:45pm
When it comes to Pastor John Hagee, John McCain and Joe Lieberman have a lot in common. Both men addressed the 2007 convention of Hagee's organization, Christians United for Israel (CUFI). McCain and Lieberman each voiced support for a pre-emptive strike against Iran. But while John McCain aggressively sought Hagee's endorsement, only Joe Lieberman compared the Texas pastor to Moses. And judging by his agreement to speak at CUFI's upcoming 2008 conference, Joe Lieberman still believes it.
As Huffington Post reports this morning:
Senator Joseph Lieberman is scheduled to headline Pastor John Hagee's 2008 Christians United For Israel Washington-Israel Summit this July 22. In accepting Hagee's invitation, Lieberman became the most senior elected representative confirmed to appear at the annual gala.
It was at last year's CUFI conference that Lieberman offered his glowing tribute to the End Times Pastor Hagee:
"He is a Ish Elokim, a man of God and those words really fit him...like Moses he's become a leader of a mighty multitude, even greater than the multitude that Moses led from Egypt to the promised land."
Unfortunately for Joe Lieberman, it now turns out that John Hagee had in mind another modern-day Moses: Adolf Hitler. Hitler, Hagee tells us, was sent by God to deliver the Jews to Israel.
"Then god sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."
For Hagee, of course, the return of the Jews to Israel is a biblical necessity, a requirement for the Second Coming of Christ and the final battle of Armageddon with, you guessed it, Iran:
"The United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West...a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ."
Then and then only then, can the Jews be converted - or massacred - in what Keith Olbermann described as "biblical collateral damage." As part of his cynical effort to court the religious right, John McCain aggressively sought Pastor Hagee's endorsement. And to date, Mr. Straight Talk has yet to answer the question: does John McCain agree with Pastor John Hagee that war with Iran is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy? The questions about McCain "spiritual guide" Rod Parsley also remained unanswered. Ultimately, of course, McCain completed his retreat from what Jon Stewart deemed "crazy base world" and rejected both.
But Joe Lieberman's embrace of Hagee seems more heartfelt and less opportunistic than McCain's. Only two weeks ago, Lieberman said Hagee "represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel." Of course, Lieberman also vouched for McCain's fitness, mental and otherwise:
"I just want to report that this morning I personally checked John McCain's bearings. He has not lost any of them. They are all in really great shape."
That may or not be the case, but increasingly it appears that it is Joe Lieberman who has lost his bearings. No doubt, generations of political science, history - and psychology - graduate students yet unborn will author dissertations asking of Al Gore's 2000 running mate, "what happened to Joe Lieberman?" As Lieberman said last week in response to that same question posed about Al Gore, "damned if I know."
In the meantime, only Joe Lieberman himself can answer the simple yes/no question: do you still believe John Hagee is Moses? Apparently, the answer is yes.
(h/t Silent Patriot)
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I can't listen to that idiot, Lieberman. The transcript was enough to make me queasy.
Joe Lieberman didn't say Hagee IS Moses, just that Hagee is LIKE Moses in that they are both superior to ordinary people.
Radical zionists are off limits to attacks by the mainstream media (and also by blogs like C&L). Can you imagine if Holy Joe were an equally energetic muslim activist?
Israel and its apologists are completely immune from criticism in the US. Joe is proof of that.
People laughed at Marshall Applewhite and Bonnie Nettles, too. You're going to feel pretty silly, Jon, when you are judged for this post. You have been warned.
I get it. Grampa gets to distance himself from Hagee while his VP cozies up to him.
Good way to keep the religious reich onboard.
JTM @ 4:
You people are out in force today, aren't you? And when I say "you people" I mean Lieberman's apologists and the JDL-type drones.
I don't think Moses was addicted to curly fries and donut holes.
I'm surprised that anyone would still take that slime-bucket seriously anymore.
JTM @ 4:
Sounds like a death threat to me.
Hagee = Lieberman = Reid = DiFi = Boxer = Madame Speaker = Heath Shuler =
The 'Democrat' Party scum who are perfectly happy with the way things are going.
So, so, so gotdamn happy, happy, happy they voted for another 168 Billion Bucks to go down the
rat-holeto Iraq.I just luvs me some Democracy.
Too damn bad we don't have any.
JIM, was that a threat?
JewsOnFirst are keeping track of these nutjobs.
http://jewsonfirst.org/
If the Dems gain more seats in the Senate this fall then Reid should kick this wuss to the curb (strip him of his committee seats, etc.). Of course, I'm assuming Reid has balls bigger than marbles.
I don't think McCain knows what the fu*k he believes about anything. As for Lieberman, he has, from all indications, become an idiot. Anyone who sincerely believes what people like Hagee say can't be considered sane.
Are McCain and Joe playing good fundie, bad fundie? McCain tosses these bizarro ministers under the bush and Joe rushes in to save their life and suck up to them? I could handle this sort of pandering better than thinking that Lieberman actually believes everything he himself says.
So, Hagee is a bigot? Does that mean Jesus was too?
These and other questions pondered in my new book RELIGION: The dumbest thing ever.
I know that Lieberman sucks, but support for Israel is declining at the moment. I don't like the man much, but don't be too pissed about this move imo.
JTM @ 4:
Judged by who? And warned about what?
I just love organized religion.
I agree with Jess Ventura...."organized religion is just a crutch for the weak."
Radical zionism is scary stuff. No, I'm not an anti-semite. I'm a Jew, albeit a secular one. Once you start arguing about the special mission god has for you or "your people," that goes down a frightening rabbit hole.
Haggee doesn't want a Middle East peace plan. He wants armageddon. Lieberman et al may not want armageddon, but they'll get us there.
so mcAin't rejected his endorsement? sure, right!
BFF JoeMental LIEberman still hearts this P-O-S Hypocrite
Some organized religions do some good things for others. They keep to themselves and try to make the world a better place.
Then there are those like Hagee and his ilk who are scamming everyone who sits foot in whatever building where they might preach.
What if all these guys are wrong about this "end of the world" stuff? That leaves all their actions needing a bit of explaining.
Lilybelle @ 19:
Indeed, the zionist and extremist christians must be some of the strangest alliances/bedfellows ever assembled in the history of mankind.
They hate what each other and yet they love the fact that they think they can use the other to bring forth their ultimately goal. Fools indeed the lot of them.
Is Hagge for against Jews? He says Hitler was God's actions against them,. but then turns around and says that without Israel, none of the "end time" stuff is possible. No other conclusion is possible other that he is wacky.
Hagee Must Still Be Moses
And lo, he parted the Christians.
Any adult who uses an imaginary friend to justify actions good or bad needs help IMHO.
Now. there is a group that makes the elder KKK look like a group of boy scouts. Those are the Americans that scare the hell out of me. The nut cakes that are ready to jump off a cliff, and take the rest of us with them.
Joe has paddled his raft out into the current and is getting ready to hack away the mooring line. I hope he remembered his water wings!
Flash @ 22:
Since these idiots did not even manage to get the very basics right: The earth is not flat, it is not the center of the universe (or the solar system for that matter), angels don't seem to fly above us when we take the plane across the clouds, and no matter how deep we dig we just see magma and not demos.
So, as I said, since they failed miserable at getting the basics even remotely close to the ballpark of reality... I tend to not trust these idiots with far more complex topics, with "the end of times" being one of them.
The batting average of most religions, Christianity in particular, is close to 0.0 and yet... for some reason these idiots feel the need to shove down our throat what they think or feel. Ain't that a bitch...
The other day on tv I heard this all explained. The fundies think that they will go to Israel, convert many of the Jewish people to Christianity and then Jesus will come down and we all know the rest of the story. This person said that the Jewish people know the game the fundies are playing and go along with it. They don't mind because it works out to the benefit of Israel and the Jewish people in the meantime.
As for my own beliefs on this, I have no fu*king idea. The fundies are free to be as stupid as they want to be and they seem to being taking full advantage of that freedom.
Joe Lieberman is using Hagee to advance his agenda and vice versa. Anyone who thinks that their association is anything more is a fool.
The American People and the soldiers, as always, are stuck in the middle.
Bantering about religion, etc. Waste of time. It's only about two things with people....money...power. Period.
Either of these men would sell out their mother if they had something to gain from it.
zionatics
LIEberman does realize that the only reason hagee "supports" israel is for the 'end of days' requirement and that jews will have to either accept christ or be enternally damned?
LIEberman isn't dumb enough to think that hagee actually like jews, is he? of course he knows this. he is using hagee as much as hagee is using him.
coming soon: the LIEberman-Hagee sex tapes
No one living today will be around to prove or disprove their own theories so it makes it pretty simple to predict any damned thing they like, plus they take a lot of money from people for doing it.
If anyone is praying now it's the people in the space shuttle. The toilet in the shuttle is clogged up. I sure hope they have a plan B for something like this.
Calum @ 6; emphasa @ 9; Liberal AND Proud @ 11; and POP @ 17, do you guys have your snark meter turned off today??? And damn good snark at that!! Comparing wack-job joe and hagee to Applewhite and Nettles is just about spot on!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Nettles
You can always tell when Lieberman puts on his deeply serious face, he is going to bs you all to hell and back.
"pissed off patricia Says: You can always tell when Lieberman puts on his deeply serious face, he is going to bs you all to hell and back."
Holy Neocon madness, Batman! My bullshit-O-meter is overloading!
PO'd Pat sez:
You can always tell when Lieberman puts on his deeply serious face, he is going to bs you all to hell and back.
...you only hope when these clowns are done with their BS you can still get back from... are we there yet?
The Truth Hurts @ 18:
I agree with Jesse Ventura's other recent pronouncements of the state of affairs in this government.
since joe is fond of new monikers for his targets... let's give him one!
Ex Democrat, ex Jew, neo nazi, he has so many things he follows.
Let's not allow Joe Lieberman slip away from his new identity; Jewnazifundoterrorist
Special interests, especially Religious special interests, must be removed for politics.
pissed off patricia @ 30:
The commentary you heard is pretty much right. Conversion of the Jews is one point (I believe they get this from Revelations, where it says that 144,000 of the "righteous" house of Israel will be taken by God); they think once they reach that magic number they are on their way. The other part of this is the rebuilding of the temple. That is part of what they do the massive fundraising efforts for. I get this crap in the mail all of the time - I guess whoever keeps sending it to the folks at my church doesn't yet realize the evangelicals have kicked us out so we're a lost cause for the almighty dollar. The Jews don't care because they get to take the money and run. Hagee is like the crazy rich uncle to Israel. They put up with his crap and smile when they get the checks.
On the whole, a very misguided effort. One last thing though - Hagee and his group are not really "fundies". They are evangelicals through and through. "Fundies" are the last people you would see buying into stuff like this. We do our Bible study, worry about how we're going to be the best people we can be by Biblical standards and spend the rest of the time helping others with their needs like we're supposed to do. Evangelicals try to convert as many as possible and place a great deal of importance on their "testimony", or words, to do that. Fundies are happy to tell someone about our beliefs but only if they ask and then we prefer specific questions that we can give a brief answer to.
This is the guy the gentle voters of The NutBall State sent to D.C. to help the rest of us be the sort of good
Americans we should be:
Planet Joe, the planet of Liars and Idiots!
I jes luvs me some Joe!
Rusty Shackleford @ 2:
Right, Hagee is a prophet of God. God speaks directly to Hagee in the form of a burning bush.
Jeez, these guys are all about as old as Moses. Unlike these old coots, Moses wore cool robes, had a funky cane and a stylin' hairdo, too.
Rebel Patriot @ 38:
Many will quickly dismiss him as a goofy ex-pro wrestler, but a lot of what he says rings true.
I'm sure Lieberquisling is cool with the fact that the only reason the Über-fundamentalists like Hagee are supporting Israel so doggedly is that they are hoping and praying that by keeping Israel strong, Israel will play a princial role in bringing about Armegeddon. If they can do that, the fundamentalists belive they will kill two birds with one stone: they'll hasten the advent of the so-called rapture and thus the Second Coming, and (as a limited time offer) they wipe out all the Jews in the Middle -East, thus achieving Christian vengence upon the Jews for the death of Jesus.
Meh, this guy is a man of Yahweh as much as I am a man of Iuppiter.
I, personally, think these numbnuts don't know what they're doing. I believe God exists. I also believe that anyone who draws the attention of something like Yahweh with what would be a glorified version of an old Mexica rite, with the Christozionists playing the role of the priest tearing the guts out of the Israelis who are the sacrifice, won't get Yahweh so much as Huitizilopotchli.
These idiots are acting like Yahweh is some Mexica god that wants a mass human sacrifice.
Waitaminnit, I've got it! John Hagee is a member of the Cultus Cthulhuus! It explains his actions more than his Christianity does.
Paul @ 45:
Um, dude, have you ever been to New York? Wiping out Israel won't do a damn thing about the Jewish community in the US, and we've got probably as many Haredim as Israel does.
And I believe these people would get a very ugly suprise trying to out-Aztec the Aztecs.
Imagine these Fundies thinking ol' Yeshua's coming, when it's Huitzilopotchli that greets Americans and their Mexican stooges with a "Gotcha bitches!"
Yes, I am perfectly willing to concede other gods exist. I'm not that extreme a Christian. Hell, most of these Fundies look at Satan like he's another God anyhow, so I'm not alone.
Lieberman will kiss any ass if it benefits his home state of Israel.
It's like FZ said, "If we were made in Gods image and we're dumb, then God must be dumb too, and maybe even a little ugly on the side."
Watched ABC News yesterday. Apparently some progress is being made in Iraq. *sigh* Here we go again.
BTW . . . Lieberman loves his role as the new Zell Miller. Has SNL lampooned Joe yet? I think he'd be a fun to mock, what with that whiney voice and all.
Call it what it is: Starting another war.
St. Paul Scout @ 49:
We're a bunch of neotenous chimpanzees with a merged chromosome and bipedalism.
Where did we get the idea of gods from? Why couldn't all religion be nontheistic like Buddhism and Jainism?
Gods are a dangerous thing to play around with, and since I believe at least one god (Yahweh) exists, and Biblically, he ain't that nice when he acts towards mankind, the Christozionists may end up regretting summoning this being's attention.
I tend to be in practice apatheistic, primarily because a God (or perhaps more than one, plenty of Bible verses testify that there are others) would be so far beyond human comprehension that making it know we're here is like an ant playing with the big two-legged thing that doesn't think twice about crushing their anthill.
St. Paul Scout @ 49:
Also, 'rhoids.
Intelligent Design my ass (pun intended).
Rusty Shackleford @ 53:
Look at everything humans and the hominin lineage went through, and you get the feeling that divine beings are keeping us alive for their sick entertainment.
Liberman was the VP nominee in 2000. You guys are complaining about him and the 2000 election. Talk about Filp Flopping.
pissed off patricia @ 33:
they will do what every good republican does, open the hatch and dump it on the public.
CUFI, and SUFI, see? Now Joe is claiming he's a Sufi? Fatwa all over his heiny.
ferrofluid @ 56:
I hope they have an adequate supply of Glad ziplocks and unusually strong stomachs.
LIE-berman has two horses in this race. LIE-berman is the puppet master for McCain and H. Clinton. He will say anything or do any thing to see one of his puppets win.
One thing anybody should be wary of Hagee is not just his Hitler comment, but also his stance that Jews dont have souls.
Joe must be absolutely insane or so obsessed with getting Hagee's secret endorsement and money for McCain, Joe has lost it forever,
not just a political traitor, a religious traitor to every jewish person alive today and every one passed on.
Hagee is saying the classic eugenic souless claim about blacks from 100 200 years ago. And JL love Hagee !!!!!
Its sickning.
his ball bearings no doubt
ferrofluid @ 60:
Hagee's words about Jews are a perfect mirror of Tertullian's words on women.
And we all know what arose from Tertullian: the Malleus Maleficarum.
We also know what's come of this rhetoric when directed towards the Bene Yisrael: pogroms, ghettos, and genocides.
Why no-one sees these similarities, I don't know (besides you fellas, I mean:)
General_Rennenkampf @ 46:
Agreed. If these people are the believers they say they are, they have to know what happens when people take matters into their own hands for a desired end even if they think what they are doing is "God's will". It is generally bad stuff even when the intentions are good. Yahweh does His will in His own time. Hagee and company are trying to make it sooner rather than later. Bad move.
Hagee has already made things tougher for Christians living in Israel. There have been attacks on many, including one package bomb left on a doorstep disguised as a Purim gift that seriously injured a 15 year old boy. Hagee's minions in Israel have generated many bad feelings with their constant attempts at evangelism; now the radical elements have come out to play.
General_Rennenkampf @ 62:
ah books and mass market printing the double edged sword.
and according to Wikipedia the MM was banned by the Catholic church, but still spread like wildfire across Europe.
what is with the fundies? first george bush is like lincoln and Mccain is like jesus now we have a nutjob being compared to moses.
Did moses have a big church and con his followers into handing over their money all of those pastors/ministers that are living the good life are false prophets as far as I am concerned there are even some that say jesus was a very wealthy man just a way to justify their own wealth.
As for lieberman I can't wait til he just fades awaynot soon enough
If I remember right moses wasn't allowed into the promised land Haggee and his irk will not to seen anywhere in heaven Like the family guy episode where the fundies are left behind
There was that school teacher fired from his job in Florida last week for witchcraft, he did a magic trick in class for his students.
ferrofluid @ 66:
Was he fired? I read he was 'reassigned' while the administration investigated.
Waste of administrative time in my opinion. It shouldn't have been an issue to begin with. Spineless principal afraid to stand up to a parent?
Gretchen @ 67:
I would hesitate to say "spineless" because, as a dad, I've had much experience with parents' throwing their weight around their kids' school.
Perhaps for the principal it was a case of "choosing one's battles" and one substitute teacher wasn't worth the hassle.
LIEberman doesn't give a rat's ass about Hagee's Fundie end of the world fantasy. As a Jew, he doesn't believe in the New Testament, their Savior, or their wacko "beliefs," anymore than Hagee does. Hagee is a total parasite preying on his witless flock.
All LIEberman knows is that con artists likes flattery and he lays it on with a trowel.
Moses? LOL!
Lieberman can't even unite himself
Lieberman uses God and religion to con the conservative base. Like a true Republican.
Moses, Joe?!?
Really?
Couldn't you have salvaged whatever tattered remains of dignity you possessed and just made something up? As long as it sounded exotic he'd a been happy...
"Here's my good friend Reverend Haggerty. He is Ishkabibble. A completely meshuga Golem. As God as to Topo Gigio, Mazal Tov"
64 ferrofluid
The popularity of the Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of the Witches) was due not just to Guttenburg, movable metallic type, but although written by Catholics Spranger and Kramer it become the leading source for both Catholics and Protestants. In fact the areas of the worst Witch trials and executions was to be found, was where there was a population split between the two beliefs: Germany and Spain.
It was based very much on the fear of conspiracy. The fear that secret covens of Witches poisoned Christian wells is just a hop-skip-and a spit from the fear of secret terrorist cells with biological weapons.
what real christian prays for war?
what real jew prays for war?
hagee and his followers are not real christians
holy joe is not a real jew
General_Rennenkampf @ 46:
Those sacrifice to Mexia gods were not considered evil but divine. They were feted and dressed in fine rainments and were considered as holy emissaries to the gods. They weren't tortured for years before their execution, and once their living chests were ripped open with sacrificial knives made of such precious stones as chalcedony, and since their heart had to beat at least once in the priests bloody hands, one can presume their death was quick, although gory.
The problem was the sheer number of sacrifices. They became in effect hecatombs. When the temple of Huitzilopochtli was being rebuilt by The Great Speaker Tizok in 1484, completed by his successor Ahuitzotl, at its opening 20,000 captives were sacrificed in this manner, described above, by eight teams of priests, although probably still less painful than winning tickets to the Jonas Brothers in concert.
Well, I guess Hagee isn't too far off, if you change "Jews" with "anyone not blond haired, blue eyed" and "Israel" with "horrible, painful death".
The worst part is that democrats are pinned as anti-Semitic.
46 General_Rennenkampf
Cultus Cthulhuus!
I see you know your Necronimicon.
Ray Bradbury insists that his mentor, HP Lovecraft came up with that name, and all the books with rites under that title are phoney.
However, I've read it a number of times, and it's a good introduction to the believes of Mesopotamia.
St. Paul Scout @ 49:
As for our creation in the image of God, that seems to be derived by the Christians from Neo-Platonism. The idea comes first, the germ if you will, then the form. And as any artist knows, it never quite matches what they conceived. The Jews of the Old Testament probably got the idea during a Greek captivity.
The problem with the idea/germ/psyche is that it too negates the so called Fall of Adam and Eve. And without a Fall there can be no Salvation, unless one goes back to the Gnostic/Pythagorian view which was the subject of so many anti-heretic movements.
Necronomicon is the correct spelling...
beliefs of Mesopotamia...
Under Platonism/Neo-Platonism, God is the idea or germ behind all creation, the inherent and the manifest.
I'm goofing up because I'm drunk again.
74 Baddog Says: Moses, Joe?!?
A completely meshuga Golem. As God as to Topo Gigio, Mazal Tov”
Emet or met?
19 Lilybelle
I may have a grim sense of humor at times, but ironic enough--if it is indeed irony--is how the Master Race attacked the Chosen People only to be stopped by the Messianic Nation.
(I realize of course other armies were involved, by that's how it's taught in the US).
ysbaddaden @ 82:
That's not how I view WWII.
I view it as a war between two peoples who considered themselves Yahweh's Chosen (then-US and Nazi Germany) and one that considered itself on the cutting edge of time with a People's Revolution To RememberTM.
The irony of WWII is that we of the "Messianic Nation" could barely beat the dregs of Hitler's army while the godless Soviets were steamrolling him in battles that make the Bulge look shrimpy.
John Hagee is an idiot to see the US as the Chosen Nation. Look how well that worked out for the Jews...
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 76:
Very well stated.
Calum @ 6:
To Calum, emphasa, PO'd Pat, and any others who didn't bother to look up Applewhite and Nettles before replying and/or thinking that I was threatening Jon -
You're all hopeless.
Here's a quick St. McCain / Hagee / Lieberman photoshoop.
RickinSF @ 70:
wonderful PR for Florida schools and school management, witchcraft stories in the MSM etc, they are the laughing stock of the civilized world.
ysbaddaden @ 79:
and the funny thing is that L. Ron Hubbard was a keen occultist and seeker after black arts power for a period at least.
Crowley the 20th centuries most notorious and maligned occultist hated Hubbard with a passion.
Crowley for all his faults and quackery was an early equal rights thinker.
give em both a white smock , a butter fly net and lock the freaks up .
This will be one of the reasons that LIE-berman is trying to censor the "internets" -- because it spreads the truth about him far and wide and completely beyond his ability to engage in damage control with the help of friendly self-censoring media.
HA HA HA HA HA!
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Is it Possible that Leiberman could be The AntiChrist....??
I don't know my christianty very well....If not that then
some other mal maniac....
Hey dumbass CT voters: Do you *still* hate Ned Lamont?
HAPPY NOW?
Let's put all these assholes on an island and
let them kill each other off!
Man that shit makes me sick!
you know, one just can't thank the good people of connecticut enough
93 Dana Says:
Man that shit makes me sick!
Well, duuuhhh...that why we flush or bury it.
88 ferrofluid
I've never heard that about Scientology, but it wouldn't surprise me, since if one is going to bend followers to their will, that would follow occultic lines.
As for Aleister Crowley I admit he's been maligned, but also over-emphasized in the history of the occult. He seems to be mainly influenced by his mentor Samuel Lidell MacGregor Mathers, who headed the Order of the Golden Dawn. Crowley had been accused by the OGD of stealing their secrets and publishing them. Even his doctrine of the Will, "Do as you will be the whole of the law, will with love," just seems to be a variation of an Irish chapter of the Medmenham Monks (Hell-Fire Club), "Do as you will." Now there's is ofcourse the Wiccaen Reede, "An it harm none, do as you will."
Crowley's drug and sex fueled habits didn't help his reputation any. And I think his influence on Gerald Gardner, the founder of modern Witchcraft, was minimal.
However, Crowley's influence on our culture seems to be significant. Boris Karloff was clearly patterned after Crowley, in the Universal movie The Black Cat, playing an evin sorcerer named Hjalmer Poelzig, pursued by the good guy/grieving father Dr. Vitus Werdegast played by Bela Lugosi. A Crowley like figure, although strangely likeable, was Dr. Julian Karswell, played by Niall McGinnis in the movie Night of the Demon (1957) I've often wondered if Crowley's bald head and intense gaze influence Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster's Lex Luthor.
Jimmy Page of Led Zepplin was very into Crowley, I think he even bought his home. Rolling Stones founding member Brian Jones was very into Crowley, and may've influenced his decisions regarding the album Their Satanic Majesty's Request.
Crowley also headed a chapter of the Ordo Templis Oriente, and knew the art designer of Nosferatu Eine Symphonie. I forget his name and I'm away from my books. However, the letter from Graff Orlock to Jonathan Hutter, and later in the insane man, Knock's, cell wall were cabalistic and astrological symbols that may've been courtesy of the OTO and Crowley.
I've wondered if Orlock's bald head and intense gaze, play by Max Schreck, was derived in part from Crowley.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
....Steven Weinberg
How can...this is horrific. What is wrong with these people?
Why the hell is reality starting to look like my damn comics books?
PUKE!
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