McCain pressed on opposition to Webb GI bill
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Jun 04, 2008 1:30pm
At a town hall meeting today in Baton Rouge, LA, Senator McCain was asked by a military mother why he opposes the Webb GI bill. In predictable fashion, he starts off by rightly stating that educational benefits for veterans have become outdated, but then goes into his debunked spiel about how the bill is too generous and would harm enlistment numbers. There's a reason your response was met with zero applause, Senator.
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So the guy who sings "Bomb, Bomb Iran" "hates war"? You're a liar, McCain.
McCain is all about what CAN'T be done.
Obama is Hope - McCain is Nope!
By the way...NOPE t-shirts and stickers are now available.
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"I hate war."
"I hate gay marriage."
"I hate the troupes."
"I hate the home owners."
"I hate my ex-wife who I cheated on."
God forbid, if this guy becomes president November, we really are a nation of cretins.
Once again, McCain's arguments against increasing the G.I. bill make no sense to me. He wants to expand the military and keep the re-enlistments up but doesn't want the Government to pay for it. What does McCain think the military consists of? Samurai? McCain has got to be on crack if he thinks his opposition to this bill will make the military more attractive to people. You already have an unpopular war and an unpopular civilian leadership that are already hurting recruiting and his opposition to this bill will only make that situation worse.
Obama/Webb ticket, anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
My friends, Americans with IQs under 60 have been historically underrepresented in this great country of ours. And, my friends, that is why I have begun this great quest for the presidency: To be a champion for the mentally infirm, the retarded, those who are as dumb as a turnip. So, if you're mentally challenged, or senile, or even in a coma, join me! My friends, help elect me and put a strong advocate for mental incapacity in the White House!
samdog @ 6:
I'd second that nomination.
If anyone saw The Daily Show the other night, Jon Stewart brought this up. Yes, the bill would probably cause a 16% decline in enlistment. However, it would also cause a 16% INCREASE in enlistment. Hmmmm.....16 - 16 = 0 reduction of troops, Sen. McBush. And, this information was taken from the same study that McBush sited! F'ing dork.
many factors created the "greatest generation" one of them is the gi bill...it had a huge positive influence economically.....following wwll....there is no way around it.......mccain should have cast a vote. this guy has been in the government system his entire life. this new gi bill will enhance recruitment some soldiers will stay some will get out and go to college......its a wash and they know...it's so out dated........the neocons are so transparent...they should be ashamed
Joe O. @ 8:
that would be a great team....i believe a can't lose team but do we need him in senate....i can't tell if webb diggs that type of role in politics
noticed he said 'transfer'.. meaning not owning, but giving up to someone else. He wants people to sacrifice themself in staying in the army.. to give family members the benefit... I hear double talk...
I like how he stopped himself just before he said, "staying the course"... and replaced it with, "staying with this strategy that's succeeding".
What a f*cking arsehole. I earned two undergraduate degrees with my GI Bill. F*ck you, McGrampa, f*ck you.
What the "F"? None of what he said made any sense..just a bunch of gibberish ramblings. Obama is going to destroy this old fool.
Hmmmm, McCain? Are you sure you want to hold town hall meeting debates with Obama? I mean, this G.I. bill opposition is just the sort of question that will be thrown at you during them. You might want to rethink that town hall meeting idea.
McCain is a LIAR , a HYPOCRITE and a PANDERER.
Only a true mental midget would vote for some one like that.
John McCain on withdrawing from Iraq:
Yeah, that's the same shit Richard Nixon said in order to prolong our stay in Vietnam. Peace with honor. And victory was defined by having a stable, non-Communist Vietnam.
Dr. (Bitter Hussein) Matt @ 14:
I earned an AAS with mine and now, the current G.I. bill doesn't even get you that. With tuition the way it currently is, I heard the G.I. bill runs out about halfway through and your left to pick up the remaining costs.
What a pandering, insincere performance. Wish someone would scream out - Just give us a straight answer!
man...I don't play the age angle, but no doubt about it -- this guy sounds OLD.
Shorter McCain:
If veterans know that they'll actually get the benefits they deserve upon leaving the military, then they'll leave the military. Replacing them will be costly, and will make perpetual war much more difficult.
John McCain doesn't understand that not every veteran can come home from war, marry a rich heiress, and then call her a "c*nt".
... after cheating on and ditching the woman who raised his kids alone for 5 1/2 years.
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Karen @ 22:
Right on, sister!
:)
tina @ 17:
the movie dumb and dumber is a biography for many people in this country the "no fear" tough guy mentality is vogue right now....you know.. all brawn no brains
"The great strength of our military is not our (educated)officers,but our (uneducated)non commissioned officers.."
So really handing out all this free education would undermine American muscle and turn our soldiers into Ivory Tower Pinko Liberal Commies.Plus its like really expensive.Christ the next thing they'll want is armored vehicles and flak jackets.
Joe O. @ 19:
Mine was extended but that was over 10 years ago.
And this is why I'm not worried about McCain asking for debates with Obama. He's on the wrong side of every issue and doesn't have a clear record of where he stands. Everything he says is easily debunked, and when someone does toss out a question that isn't a softball, he stammers and looks utterly lost.
In a way, I feel sorry for McCain. I'm not sure he fully realizes that with the focus being on himself and Obama, the free press ride is over.
Catster @ 13:
Nice catch ... he added the "right course" after that.
Hates war but has profited very nicely from it for 3 generations ...
But after all ..."bomb bomb bombing Iran" isn't really war is it?
Its just redistributing ordinance on a bunch of little brown people ...
ZappaFrank @ 4:
When I see the polls :Obama 48% and McCain at 42%; it blows my mind!!! Who in the hell is voting for 4 more years of Bush insanity -- besides the 28% fools that is- ????
This man is absolutely a blithering idiot!
Krisken @ 28:
it's understandable feeling sorry for mccain that's what they want us to feel.....peel a few layers away you may not feel that way......he is with the dark side
Krisken @ 28:
Indeed. And while his supporters maintain that he's great in town hall meetings, they have been the venue for most of his major gaffes. (e.g. bomb, bomb Iran; Iraq for 100 years.)
We'll see if the free press ride is really over. Don't hold your breath.
I take umbrage with McShame's statement that no one hates war more than the veteran, who has lost a comrade.
I believe I have reason to hate war more since I lost an older brother and my youngest sister in a carpet bombing raid over Potsdam, Germany. Me and my remaining sister were separated from my mother who was incarcerated in a concentration camp for enabling an uncle to desert, and my biological father was killed in the war. I saw the devastation firsthand.
I can feel for those poor Iraqis who have experienced the same, maybe even worse by the use of much more terrible weapons unleashed upon the innocents.
Obama needs to be ready with dates and places of where McDumbass makes his foolish statements. When he starts telling lies about his positions Obama should be ready to nail him with something like, "But Senator, on "x" date you said "x statement" about "x issue". And then point out that there is probably video of it on the internet if anyone would like to double check.
This old prick doesn't understand that every statement he utters is recorded and uploaded. It takes about 5 minutes to catch him in a lie.
Did anyone who attended the town hall meeting read the report that McCranky is speaking of? You know, the one where it says that although the Webb GI bill would see a decrease in re-enlistment of 16% that it would also see an increase of 16% in new recruits?
Hmmmm, -16% + 16% = 0% change. (Basic math skills haven't changed yet have they?)
Was the sound purposely cut at the end of the video? While I can only hear one person clapping, it doesn't do our cause any good if we are caught turning down the volume on the end of a clip, while touting "no one clapped".
just sayin...
O/T but ...
Senate report slams Bush over prewar intelligence
* Story Highlights
* Report says Bush administration misused intelligence in run-up to Iraq war
* Administration selectively declassified information to bolster case, report says
* Panel: Public misled about contacts between Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda
* White House spokeswoman calls findings old news
.... Oh Nancy! Where are youuuuuuuuuu?????
Jim Webb would make a great V.P. candidate for Obama. He has extensive military experience, and this bill he cosponsored with Chuck Hagel is the nail in the coffin for McCain's out-of-touch relationship with our military. I have a lot of respect for the Clintons, but you can't have two chefs in the kitchen for the long-term. Short-term, Neocons will continue drudging up the past on the Clintons.
@12 - Yeah, that's what it sounded like to me as well.
Joe O. @ 5:
The feudal Japanese system of honor would cause many Conservatives' and neo-cons' heads to explode.
John McCain - "A Corporate Panderer We Can Believe IN"
I don't have the tools to do this, but I would love to see someone replace the audio of this footage with audio of Frankenstein's monster. That's all I can think about when I see him lumbering stiffly towards the audience.
"RRAHH! FIRE!"
gah... this is like a slow trainwreck....
somewhere in the bowels of the legion of doom, or err the GOP HQ the heavies are discussing just how they could get away with a RNC primary do-over. romney, don't take off those magic undies yet!!!
Those above 28 percenters who will vote for McShame are most likely feminists who are also racists.
earl @ 38:
old news is her talking point well she going to be saying that a lot because we need to continue to remind people we cannot have an administration that will use propaganda for a unnecessary war. sorry but obama is going to shove that up your axx everytime he can
AdamWho @ 37:
Unless a round of applause erupted after InSane said, "Yes, ma'am," and the woman who had stood up to speak raised the microphone to her mouth, there was no audible applause at all.
Town Hall spankings are fun!
Straight Talk: A Slogan the Gullible Believe In.
ronhohn @ 45:
and worship O'Reilly
Ron Ft lauderdale @ 30:
Closet racists and a few misguided libertarians.
So they're still going with the puke-green background. Wonder how long it's going to his campaign geniuses to admit what a disaster that is.
Meanwhile, shadenfraude city, bitches!
Karen @ 47:
Hmmmm...
Selective quotation of the study that found equal losses and gains with the bill. Sounds familiar, but I just can't put my finger on it.
Oh well, back to my freedom fries.
100 -16% = 84 +16% =97
A net loss of 3
When McCain begins to speak like this, my brain just tunes out. I have a real problem trying to follow him through a sentence, and when it's something long like this clip I just can't concentrate on what he's saying.
Who the hell said that town hall meetings are his best performances. They aren't. Sure, with no one there to scream at him, Answer the damned question, he just mumbles and stumbles around.
You know, I am currently enrolled at a university here in my town. Currently, I am taking one, three credit course for the summer. The university I am attending is lower cost than other universities but still, it isn't cheap by any means. For this one course, I applied for and received my in-state stipend which knocked off $287 of my tuition. Even with that, my tuition was still $482 (including fees) for the course, plus another $133 for the textbook. This isn't counting the daily parking fees and other expenses. Without that in-state stipend, I would have been looking at a total close to $1000 for one course. I can only imagine what the costs are for a full course load at other, more expensive colleges. Yet, this is what many veterans have to face when they leave the service. They get their G.I. bill and find that it doesn't cover anything.
What are the details of the bill?
What McCain is discussing are the re-enlistment rates.
16% sounds awfully precise to me, although nowhere have I seen the Pentagon's methodology for establishing who will leave and who will stay in the event of full coverage for in-state tuition, fees and room and board equal to whatever a non-veteran will pay in a campus dormitory. I also doubt you can accurately predict how many people will sign on just for the GI Bill, and leave after the minimum enlistment period.
He's right to say that we need people to re-enlist, because people coming in the door (no matter how brave or smart) lack the experience needed to lead as non-commissioned officers. As a former officer, I can tell you that the services run on NCOs and the corporate memory they represent. However, it was also my experience that people stayed because they liked what they did, or much more rarely, they needed the free health care for a dependent. Nobody stays in the military because they are terrified of the civilian economy absent the GI Bill. If you need more NCOs than you currently have, you promote in greater numbers and you increase the re-enlistment bonuses for specialties where you have too few, to retain those sergeants and petty officers who lead the platoons and fix the jets.
The military is a good place to work, generally speaking. In combination with the stress of tours between six to twelve months, knowing that you will continue to return to dangerous places and be separated from loved ones is what makes leaving the service attractive. Webb's GI Bill might hasten some people's decisions, because it would make for a softer landing than the current MGIB or McCain's alternative proposal, but it won't destroy the military if the constant rotations haven't.
People are probably also right to accuse Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid of shaping this into a wedge issue for the candidates to exploit this fall. However, Senator Webb made this a plank of his platform running an uncertain race against a popular Republican incumbent, and I believe he is just doing now what he's done for a lifetime: standing up for veterans against a government and a society that would rather just use their service and be done with them. I hope Senator McCain will have a change of heart on this bill, and President Bush also. It's rare that you can stand on the side of something as right as this.
pissed off patricia @ 56:
Regardless of the forum, McCain always employs the same technique. Use the question to get to your nearest talking point, regardless of whether it's an appropriate response.
So if any question is asked related to Iraq, the answer will always be, "I strongly opposed the way the war was being managed but they switched to my strategy and now we're winning!" Whether it's a complete non-sequiter is of no consequence.
Joe O. @ 57:
stick with it joe.......in the long run it will pay off that's why were battling this topic for people like you that are trying to better yourself. i had the gi bill late 80's when college was half price of what it is now.
Karen @ 33:
The press monster needs to feed, and there's not enough Obama news to fill the time. 24 hour news cycles are going to hurt McCain. Just watch.
I'm not saying Barack will get a free ride himself. I am saying that the press has started turning on McCain, and in some ways, he's turning on himself. The crazy is piling up, and you can't hide an elephant behind a lamp post. Just doesn't work.
:Educational benefits are outdated."
Boy...where to start on THAT comment.
Why not simply say...we want our warriors stupid...easier to control that way. We can then mold them into what we want. And while we're at it, let's dumb down the rest of our education system. People were happier back before college education become so rampant. We need a return to family values.
Plan 9 @ 7:
Why do you hate turnips?
OT - but somewhat related.
O'Reilly transcript from the McClellan interview: "Secondly, I don't think there was any propaganda in the run-up to the war. I believe Bush felt they had to remove Saddam Hussein, and the reasons were there.
Actual statement: ""Secondly, I don't think there was any propaganda in the run-up to the war. I do believe Bush felt they had to remove Saddam Hussein, and was looking for reasons to do it, but I think the reasons were there.
Clearly O'Reilly admits that he believes that the reasons given were secondary to the real reason (Differences in italic)
For those who believe that McCain is not McBush, just notice how we have the smirking chimp and the grinning gorilla wants to succeed him.
They both have the same mennerism: Make a stupid statement and then grin.
DID ANYONE NOTICE? McCain himself was NOT applauding the Gold Star Mothers! He was too busy holding himself up on the railing, then podium. Not even a clap.......nice....and he is a friggin' vet..... I can't wait until Barack debates this clown. He is going to have to turn down his hearing aid when Barack walks onstage to a loud, long, and passionate applause.
That's 'mannerism'
princetonpdx @ 67:
that's cold blooded ...but i like it the hearing aid deal funny
More war, more death, more blood and the need for more cannon fodder. Any vet or service person who would vote for this idiot deserves to get nothing, which is what he will give you.
princetonpdx @ 67:
I thought he was praying.
You know I wonder if the press is afraid to cover McCain too closely because they are afraid he will just embarrass himself over and over. He will be exposed for what he really is and the republicans who haven't been paying attention will finally see what their candidate is all about and begin to riot.
diamondmc @ 71:
I couldn't figure out WTF he was doing.
I didn't think anyone could make bush look like he had a brain... I was wrong.
The Webb Bill just needs the right music to sell it
Howabout:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o29VoxtsFk
that's why adm. fallon got out he believes the pen is mightier than the sword........not this bunch there's no money in that.
Because of the disparity of press coverage - McCain gets all the free rides while Obama gets blamed for what Pfleger and Farrakhan say and do - we need an equalizer. An honest 'Hannity' type who brings up the same McCain fallacies everyday on the average of 6 times each day, then have Broadcast News channels pick up on them and play segments.
That is what you get from Fox's Hannity daily and O'Reilly, Greta and others propagate it.
samdog @ 6:
Webb's past is littered with ugly comments toward women. This would be tossed at him. I think Webb might not be the best choice.
McCain just couldn't have known the report said reinlistment would decline 16% and not know that the same report said recruitment would go up by 16%. He is just being dishonest about his reasons for opposing the bill; the real reason is that the bill was authored by a Democrat and one that might become the Democratic nominee for Vice President. As is to be expected from somebody advised by Karl Rove, McCain just didn't want to allow the Democrats to do something nice for the troops in an election year.
I can hardly listen to this piece of shit!
I hate to say this, but his campaign has the real potential to completely implode... from the sound of things. We are really looking at the possibility of him having absolutely no chance really soon if he keeps up this stuff. There is absolutely no enthusiasm at all. It's like watching Ed McMahon run for president. It's just sad.
Has a candidate ever conceded the race before election day? There's a first for everything.
Who the FUCK on his campaign, or in his party, thinks this issue is, in ANY WAY, a winner?
If you really feel like the GI Bill is wrong, fucking lie and say you support it... and then do everything in your power to work against it down the road.
Oh, what? Like your party hasn't been doing that for generations?
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/06/breaking-air-fo.html
The Air Force's top civilian and uniformed leaders are being booted out of the Pentagon. Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael "Buzz" Moseley has resigned. Secretary Michael W. Wynne is next.
Booosh @ 81:
Aside from the comical Mike Huckabee, the GOP had a really, really weak pool of candidates.
one: he didn't answer the fucking question
two: he fucking lied through his teeth
three: he insulted the intelligence of everyone with his pandering
four: his answer should have been - "because there's nothing in it for me and my lobbyists"
Seeing as we are going to be in Iraq for 100 years under McCrazy, maybe we could be like the Romans, serve for 20 years and we will give you alittle plot of land in Iraq. Alot cheaper then a GI bill.
It's a matter of economics.
If you keep the serviceman in the military long enough, he may not feel like going to school after that anymore, and the kids will have completed school - maybe.
Another tuition saved.
Nick @ 79:
bingo...........
MCassjacket did not vote for the bill. he was absent.
he stated his opposition to the bill was based on the 16% loss in head count that would result from an exodus.
he ignored the part of the report that said that the recruitment would increase 16% because it would make signoing up more attractive.
he is a fucking asshat.
I don't want to hate him, but he is making it extremely difficult!
karl @ 32:
Exactly!
Keep in mind that the Karl Rove's of the GOP succesfully sold Bush's idiotic Bushisms as a kind of cute little "Awwwwe shucks, he's just like one of us !"
vote mccain
God. I coouldn't listen to that incoherent drivel. Just tell the woman why you oppose the GI bill, McSame.
The Obama people need to continue hammer things like this home!
diamondmc @ 74:
he also makes boosh look like a man of character, which I thought was impossible.
he is such a POS. I almost screamed out loud listening to it. It causes a visceral reaction.
unlike boosh, the obviously calculating LIAR, mcASS looks like lying is a natural reflex.
ronhohn @ 77:
It's gonna take more than 6/day.
Hannity ALONE plays Rev Wright about 59,067 times per day.
Is there such a thing as coherent drivel?
BaScOmBe against Bitter Elitist Appeasement Bullshit @ 80:
He said, "Gee you smell nice! You smell like a bunch of flowers."
"his debunked spiel about how the bill is too generous and would harm enlistment numbers" Actually, I take another view on this. Yes, its true that the net result of this bill will be that some people leave the military sooner. That's not contested. Supporters of the bill claim that the difference will be made up by new recruitment. The crucial question though is how big do we want our military to be? Under McCain we will not only stay in Iraq but almost certainly make war on Iran. Our military is over stretched as it is so to do that we need to increase the number of people in service not just keep the number stable. That is the real question I wish people would be debating. We should be shrinking the military and disentangle them from the mess in Iraq and avoid future messes.
Chico Hussein @ 94:
Hannity is a legend in his own little mind.....he's a sellout...I can't stand that clown.....who was for Guilianni(spelling)
karl @ 88:
Double-bingo.
From the moment Bush took office, they have been marginalizing Democrats. Completely ignored them during their control of Congress.
McSame better be careful what he asks for. He just might get it.
Ask John bad question. John get mad. John turn green. John turn into McHulk.
MikeD @ 97:
The solution is simple.
Ask everyone ...
"Do you support the war in Iraq and possibly in Iran?"
If yes, then enlist. Otherwise, stfu !
Chico Hussein @ 90:
Oh, just because I feel pity for the guy, doesn't mean I'd risk the future of the country for him. I'd wager the rest of the country won't take that chance either.
MikeD @ 97:
your correct we should reduce the military and nuclear warheads for that matter but there is too much money in it...now with china and russia building their military will constantly be told we have something to fear........it's part of the darwinian program...i know your aware of this but i'm not sure will see a smaller military...not sure humans are capable of not fighting over resources
Chico Hussein @ 99:
that's the constant politics program...don't let shine on anything
karl @ 103:
In that case, it is over and the USA has lost. We are borrowing money from China to build a war machine to counter a Chinese threat?
Attila the Appeaser @ 100:
laughing my ass off attila
Who cares about percentages in this case.
16% of how many soldiers would be retained?
16% of how many soldiers would be recruited?
all percentages are NOT created equal. My guess is the 16% gain in enlistment would be a much larger number than the 16% loss in retention. Where can we find these figures?
Hey Mr. McCrazy I think you got your ass smoked, fuck head!
*16% of how many soldiers would NOT be retained
Attila the Appeaser @ 105:
Cold War part ll the sequel....not trying to be neg. but that's how i see i'm probably wrong
NEWSFLASH: McCain is actually dumber than George W. Bush.
What would you call a man who tells a lie and even after he knows that no one believes him persists in telling that lie again....and again....and again? John Sidney McBush II.
Karen @ 18:
How'd that work out? Have the dominoes fallen yet?
The real problem that Republicans have with this bill goes beyond troop retention. They hate it because the original GI Bill worked. It opened the doors of opportunity to an entire generation, doors that had previously been closed because the applicants weren't in the rich WASP elite. An entire generation leaped into the middle class, and could then afford to send their kids to good schools and give them opportunities, and so on, and so on. The GI Bill is a clear example of a government program that actually made the lives of millions better.
If your core philosophical belief is that government programs are never the answer, it becomes imperative to destroy any program that actually works. Paul Krugman once cogently observed that Republicans don't object to universal health care because they think it won't work. They oppose it because they are afraid it will, and give over a whole new generation to the Democrats.
Liberal AND Proud @ 113:
Didn't you hear? Our failure to stay the course in Vietnam resulted in the Communists winning. The Soviet Union is now the world's dominant superpower.
The exact same thing will happen if we don't stay the course in Iraq. If we don't stay the course, the Islamofascists will inevitably control the world. At least, that's what I heard.
Those who don't study history and all that...
it seems to me that his audience didn't applaud because they had dozed off and/or lost track of the question/day of the week/why they were there.
listening to him drone on and on in that monotone certainly had a soporific effect on me.
i've been noticing that nasty green around mccain in other photos of him, not just in kenner, louisiana. of all the shades of green in the world, it is astonishing that they chose what has to be, hands down, the most hideous. it's like fingers on a chalkboard.
who is doing mccain's graphics?
Karen @ 18:
John McCain on withdrawing from Iraq:
Where does Bob Dole stand on early withdrawing?
Can the gold star Moms please stand.
CLAP CLAP CLAP.
(hobble hobble hobble over to podium to prop up 1000 year old legs )
I hate war, or at lest I hate the war I was in. What ever war I'm not in, that supports Joe Liermann and Israel, I'm all for. So let's just say that I'm against any war that I could possibly fight in the future. Everything else if fare game.
Oh and Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran... Join in; you know the words.
Where was he pressed on anything in that video?
ronhohn @ 55:
100 + 16% = 116.
116 - 16% = 102.
a net gain of 2
that "glass is half full / glass is half empty" evaluation of statistics is what statisticians call a "standard deviation".
102-97 = 5
so, in other words, 100% with a standard deviation of +/- 5
*shrug* - just sayin..
I think you and I can both agree though, no meaningful change in the number of recruits, significant change in the intellectualism and problem-solving capabilities of the recruits.
Maybe it's just me, but McBush seems to have aged exponentially since the start of the Rethug primaries. I realize the primaries are grueling, but the Presidency has got to be far worse. I'm obviously biased against him, but I really wonder if Joe Six-pack or Grandma Betty in Des Moines notice this rapid decline?
Anyone in Vegas or offshore give odds on him not making it to January?
fastfeat @ 121:
I can't speak for Joe or Grandma, but I was a little taken aback when I saw McCain talking in Louisiana yesterday. He really looked old. I mean, I know he's 71 and all, but damn. He looked 80. If this is how he's reacting to the relative ease of the Republican primary season, how the hell can he hold up under the pressure of the presidency?
burnt @ 120:
I think the retention rate will shoot up once we stop lying to our troops and sending them to a pointless death. This "honor" thing grates on my last nerve. For people without any "honor" at all to speak of it is the last insult.
Considering the amount of military here in LA, he got what he deserved.
What a rambling twunt.
samdog @ 6:
Beuller? Beuller? I love it! LOL!!
McSame says he wants to bring home the troops with honor. Him saying that makes me wonder about what he is saying below the glossy surface of his militaristic speeches. Saying that he wants to bring the troops home WITH honor wouldn't make sense unless he was implying that there was some way that you could bring them home WITHOUT honor. What he is doing here is the same thing that Bush has done his whole time in office, hiding behind the flag and the troops. They both try to claim that if you question the leaders, the wars that they start, or the tactics that those leaders choose to use in those wars that somehow you are also anti-American and don't support the troops. As a former Airman in the Air National Guard I finding it troubling how often both Bush & McCain use the people in our armed forces against their will as human shields to deflect any questioning of themselves by Americans.
And that my friends is why I have concluded that veterans and their families are the most gullible people on the planet.
fastfeat @ 121:
Yes it is shocking to see video of McCain just a few months ago. The contrast is amazing.
How anyone can find even a speck of inspiration from Great Grampa McShame is truly a perplexing question. His delivery and style is not even as good as that of a dead fish. And he wants to debate Obama??? Bwaahahahahahahahahahha....yeah....rrright...
What he doesn't mention is that most of the senior enlisted in the military are far too busy to take on the additional burden of studying for a university degree while on active duty. This is why I had to wait until after retiring to go back to school to complete my degree. The school benefits (Montgomery GI Bill) that came after Vietnam Era GI Bill was some help but not enough, in my opinion. School benefits needed to be reshaped and the bill that Webb put together seems like a really good and smart idea to achieve that goal. I remember feeling sorry for the young guys who were paying into the Montgomery GI Bill! But they seemed happy enough that they were working toward fulfilling their desire to go back to school. Truth be told, most people with the desire to go to university who do not have the ability to pay will be happy with any support. This is another shining example of how out of touch with the real America Bush and McCane are.
So, McCain's answer to a simple question of "Why won't you support the GI Bill proposed by Jim Webb" is , change the subject. He does his rah-rah patriot, "I live the troops" "I hate war", "the non-coms and petty officers are the backbone and we just can't do without them" so we'll screw them into staying in forever to get their benefits. What a lying hypocrite. I'm a Navy Vietnam veteran, and take my word for it, McCain is the kind of officer we would give a wake up call with a grenade in his tent.
As the Irishman in "Breaveheart" so aptly put it, "Don't change the subject, just answer the fookin' question!"
Just look at chimpy. He now seems 20 years older than he did in 2000.
Gawd DAMN he sounds old and senile!
Can't wait for the debates.. it's going to be the epitome of hilarity listening to Obama run rings around Gramps McBush!
The guy is fucked up. What a piss poor sorry ass excuse for a candidate my friends.
ronhohn @ 133:
But not a day wiser.
McCain is so out of touch - even with people he should understand - veterans.
OT -
Scott McClellan to visit Bill Moyers tomorrow night. Should be good
You could hear a pin drop
Fuck that fucking lying fucker.
Signed,
an active Marine.
Did I just hear Monica Crowly (on O'Reilly) refer to Barack Obama as 'that young punk out of Chicago'?
thismachinekillsfascists @ 134:
I remember thinking the same thing when Bush was to debate Gore. We all felt that Gore would mop the floor with the retarded Texan, and he did, but then the media spun it in favor of Bush. I remember the night of the first debate when my 12 year old son said of Bush--"Mom, that guy doesn't seem very smart." Then the next day the media focused on Gore's sighing and ignored George Numbnuts' lack of understanding of the issues and utter stupidity. The McCain/Obama debate will go whichever way the corporate media wants it to go. That said, even if the media does spin it in McGramps' favor, we do have a far better informed electorate now than in 2000 thanks to sites like this so, I'll continue to hope for sanity this time.
ZappaFrank @ 4:
No, actually we would be a nation of assholes who are so f**king stupid that we cut our own throats.
Plantd people, pre screened, with pre arrived questions, rehersed answers.
See McCain is just as good as Bush was at these town halls..................................
Zachary B. @ 140:
Sounds like it with all that f***ing you're doing.
Dale @ 84:
Well...Ron Paul created quite a stir...for about a week.
"Will the mothers stand, please?"
Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle stick, McCain is such a disgrace. The only reason he asked the military mothers to stand is not because he sincerely respects them, but because he wanted to pull a public display like that in an insincere BS effort to pretend like he honors them. Trying to get them on his side. F---ing disgrace.
Wait a minute. Did you notice that McCain HIMSELF didn't applaud for the military parents???? WTF, a-hole?
Good God. That was such a long-winded, empty, nothingness of a response to the lady's question. However, it was a perfect "politician's answer." "Hero" my ass. What have you done for us lately, John?
BTW, Fred Sanford walked less stiffly than that.
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