McCain Gets Testy With Vet Over GI Bill
By Nicole Belle Monday Jul 07, 2008 6:30pmAt the Colorado appearance where he stressed his economic program, John McCain got a question about a vet that he didn't seem too happy about.
Download | play 
Download | play (h/t Heather)
The questioner, apparently a veteran, asks McCain about his voting against expansion of healthcare benefits to veterans for the years 2004-2007, years in which we have Iraq and Afghanistan veterans adding exponentially to the VA rolls. McCain testily reminds him that he has been endorsed by "all the organizations" and then launches into an explanation of his resistance to the Webb GI Bill that provided educational assistance to veterans. Wrong bill, Gramps.
When the questioner reiterates that his question went to healthcare--not educational--benefits, McSame reiterate that all the veterans' groups love him and blew him off. Temper, temper.
McCain: I've received every organization in America, their awards...[questioner says something-inaudible] Now, sir, I don't...I don't know what you're referring to nor do...[questioner continuing-inaudible] Sir, I'm responding to your question and then I will let you speak again, if you'd like, but you oughta...the way we try to conduct these is let people finish and then I will go back to [audience applause] to you...I'll go right back. So I don't know what bill you're referring to or what you're referring to and I'll be glad to have you refer to it. But the reason why I have a perfect voting record from organizations like the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion and all the other veterans' service organization is because of my support of them, but if you can go ahead and respond if you want to. Go ahead. Give him the microphone back.
Q: I'll respond by saying this: that you do not have a perfect voting record by the DAV and the VFW. That's where these votes are recorded. And the votes were proposals...they were proposals by your colleagues in the Senate to increase healthcare funding of the VA in 2003, 4, 5 and 6, for troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, and you voted against those proposals. I can give the specific Senate votes, the numbers of those Senate votes, right now.
McCain: Well, I thank you and I'll be glad to examine what your version of my record is. But, again, I've been endorsed in every election by all of the veterans' organizations that do that. I've been supported by them and I've received their highest awards from all of those organizations, so I guess they don't know something you know. So I thank you very much and I will continue to be proud of my support for the veterans of this country and proud of their support.
Transcript of full exchange below the fold:
Senator, veterans and all Americans admire your service in Vietnam. We admire the fact that you're the Straight Talk Express, but we know that you voted against...well, actually, you didn't vote on the new GI Bill and you spoke out against it. We understand you have a difference on that, but we don't...we haven't heard an explanation of why you voted against your colleagues' proposals to increase healthcare funding in 2004, 5, 6 and 7, when we had troops coming back from two wars.
McCain: Well, let me say first of all, sir, on the issue of the GI Bill, I have great respect for Sen. Webb and I appreciate his efforts and his service to our country. The issue was we need to increase our educational benefits for our veterans. And we were dedicated to that proposition. The problem that some of us had, who were career military people, was that there were studies that showed that we didn't have incentives to for people become career military people. I think those who have served understand the importance of the Non-Commissioned Officer and incentives for people to stay in. So we argued for an ability of veterans after... of active-duty service personnel after they've been in for a period of time, they could transfer those educational benefits to their spouses and/or family members. We felt that was one, appropriate, so a career military person doesn't have to worry about providing educational benefits in that way and also an incentive to stay in. Well, we reached an agreement. In case you missed it, we reached an agreement and we passed the legislation and we will now not only have the increased educational benefits but we will also have incentives for people to become career military people and be able to transfer those benefits. Now, I'm disappointed that it only went back to 2001. Senator...and I was disappointed that Senator Webb didn't support making it permanent. Senator Graham and I and other veterans will be looking to trying to extend that to all veterans, not just 2001. I hope you'll urge Sen. Webb and others to agree with that. Uh, my friend, I...all I can say is I don't know what you're pointing to but I received every award from every major veterans' organization in America. I've received every organization in America, their awards...[questioner says something-inaudible] Now, sir, I don't...I don't know what you're referring to nor do...[questioner continuing-inaudible] Sir, I'm responding to your question and then I will let you speak again, if you'd like, but you oughta...the way we try to conduct these is let people finish and then I will go back to [audience applause] to you...I'll go right back. So I don't know what bill you're referring to or what you're referring to and I'll be glad to have you refer to it. But the reason why I have a perfect voting record from organizations like the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion and all the other veterans' service organization is because of my support of them, but if you can go ahead and respond if you want to. Go ahead. Give him the microphone back.
Q: I'll respond by saying this: that you do not have a perfect voting record by the DAV and the VFW. That's where these votes are recorded. And the votes were proposals...they were proposals by your colleagues in the Senate to increase healthcare funding of the VA in 2003, 4, 5 and 6, for troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, and you voted against those proposals. I can give the specific Senate votes, the numbers of those Senate votes, right now.
McCain: Well, I thank you and I'll be glad to examine what your version of my record is. But, again, I've been endorsed in every election by all of the veterans' organizations that do that. I've been supported by them and I've received their highest awards from all of those organizations, so I guess they don't know something you know. So I thank you very much and I will continue to be proud of my support for the veterans of this country and proud of their support.
Login or Register to post comments.
Either McSame is completely senile or is a bald faced liar.
Vets are so quaint
Wapo having a discussion to get anti-Obama talking pts.
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com
"Old Jerk-Off with a Microphone".
Oh McGramps. It is all about the temper. Fucking uppity vets.
I keep waiting for Senator McCain's "you can't handle the truth!!" moment.
Cold War G.I. Bill benefits sent Warner and Webb thru school. McCain got a free education, fifth from last in his class, because he had father and other family in service.
[deleted - off topic. sitemonitor]
First the powerful military figure like Wesley Clark
Than the relatively weak military figure like this anonymous questioner
If mccain handles their views as irrelevant
Doesn't that make his own military experience irrelevant?
1 Limp-Dick Blimpaugh Says: Either McSame is completely senile or is a bald faced liar.
Are you suggesting Rogaine?
Mccain was owned!
Loss Leader.
I guess its time to go back to the invitation only system at these Town Hall get togethers.
Captain Obama’s Bitter Half Husein Kangaroo @ 12:
LOL, yeah, Bu'ush never had to put up with this kind of insolent crap.
7 Happenstance
If you are not a McCain supported, why come here just to bash Obama?
Anonymous Bosch @ 5:
Hee hee. Funny comment. Great moniker!
mcfuckhead is the gop choice for answering
the phone at 3am.? the bastard
can nothear or want to hear the questions in the middle
of the day. he is a joke and a embarrassment
to EVERYONE in America and abroard.
What do you bet the MSM will either not cover this
Or call the vet a heckler
And admire how mccain handled him?
[refers to deleted post]
another neocon troll has surfaced from under mcf#ckhead's butt.
Y'all remember when someone asked mccain an energy question and he responded with a long answer about cap-and-trade which is a part of the pollution issue?
Just like the other Repugnican Senator(Kyl) and Repug Reps from AZ. They're all real big on talking up "Support the Troops" and they vote against the veterans on every occasion. Billion$ for corporations 00.00 for human dignity.
Liar, Liar, Depends on fire!
yup, no corporate media coverage of this ever it's really sad that McCain relies on his service some much while at the same time hating veterens of the armed forces.
reading that transcript, i could almost commend him on his control of his point and his audience...
to watch and listen, though, it's very obvious what a scatterbrained ol' coot he must be...
and testy! i bet even the viagra quit working years ago... bummer...
On the plus side, McCain didn't call him a c*nt.
So...there is that.
Oooo, snippy, snippy old gramps! Time for a nap!
you have to be deaf and dumb not to comprehend that professional ducking of the question....if it was indeed false
mccain should have challenged him on the spot. what cracks me up is how people in the audience get defensive instead of wanting their candidate to debate the issue in front of them.....instead he went for the patriotic card and i served.......this is what clark was getting at... the free pass.... and of course the "we" got it done....having a strong GI bill empowers the middle class they don't like that. following wwII for every $1 spent on vets there was a return of $7....education and middle class empowerment is a threat........
danL @ 10:
Most americans will see that as a win for McPain because he used the word Proud a lot.
Limp-Dick Blimpaugh @ 1:
The latter, though most people will lap it up and love him because he talks about war and gets every to clap for 2 hours ever time he mentions the military just in case one one every stops clapping and starts thinking ........ oh no wait, that is never going to happen .........
1 Limp-Dick Blimpaugh Says: Either McSame is completely senile or is a bald faced liar.
A: Both
and, he's a sell out and meat puppet for the most anti-american regime in US history... the neo-con/zionist movement and leo straussian doctrates
and what the fuck is this campaigning in israel bullshit? with the web pol with the ahmadinejad and the barack obama pcitures right next to each other?
my only question is: firing squad, hanging or tied and quartered for these treasonous MF's?
Hey, McCain! Fuck you and your awards. Your awards don't mean shit to the Vet's who are right now being denied treatment do to your shitty voting record!
Oh, I am so sick of these crusty white men who just want to fuck everyone else for their own benefit
Oh yeah...McCain, you can stick your pride up your ass too!
Well, McCain was quoted if the Iraqis want us to leave , we have to leave.
They want us to leave.
Will he flip flop?
Of course.
BobbyG @ 13:
esp that one US journalist who asked Chimpy the awkward question at one WH press conf,
then did a terminal swan dive from the twentieth floor window at a Canadian hotel a bit later.
To be fair he was also involved in some dodgy business dealings trying to buy a radio station from its owner, but suspicious still.
everytime mccain talks about this topic you have to listen to how proud he is of himself and what he did.....why do we need to be constantly reminded....everytime it's challenged everything has to be prefaced with all the sugarey speech. it always takes the edge off the conversation.....this is what i have said in the past there are people that know next to nothing about the issues and/or mccain but will vote for him just because of his prior service. this is what clark was attacking...mccain has been in the government his entire life....he didn't cast a vote for the vets was disgraceful to me........true colors mcBush
Get off my fucking lawn!
That poor, poor vet. I hope he's not suffering too badly in his Guantanamo cell now...
IF Dems were really smart they'd get ringers into ALL his events (lots of them) ready with questions and persistence to push him because he'll either eventually BLOW or make more stupid and inappropriate "jokes" so folks can see what the man is really made of..he has NO SENSE of HUMOR...perhaps just NO SENSE...and he does have this fabled temper (too many comments to be made up)...so I'd say poke the beast where the soft spot is!!! Course then they'll have to write their own news stories...print their own newspapers...and find their own airwaves to share the events...but what the hey!!!!!!!
I'm just wondering, but the Democrats need to careful what is said to or about McCain. Remember that "elder abuse" is a crime in almost every state. Most legal experts agree that elder abuse includes acts of emotional and/or VERBAL agression. It's going to be an interesting campaign.
If I'm not mistaken, Timothy McVeigh was also a decorated US combat veteran. That didn't stop him from being a murdering terrorist. What's McCain's point, anyway?
Ask him questions about his days as one of the Keating Five.
Maybe it would do McCain some good to spend some time down at the local VFW hall. Most the people down there are bitching about the price of gas, their fucked up health insurance company, and the rising price of food.
Occasionally, you hear someone talk about how their son and his family are moving in because they lost their home.
Where is his total voting record on troop and vet support or lack thereof. If he has a stellar record let him show us. Maybe I'll change my mind and declare him a hero.
It looked like he got tested and he didn't remember the bills the young man was talking about.There are concerns about his age and memory.
This is actually quite sad. McCain just comes off as test and mean. I can't believe anybody clapped for that bag of dog crap.
Rico @ 35:
you make a good point the poor old grandpa syndrome being questioned about the past....especially in this country where people have become less tolerant of the elderly.
OT but amusing, how the Bushco regime describes friendly politicians in its press kit for the dolts on AF1, with friends like this...
and no they are not talking about Chimpy in a freudian slip way :) or are they !
"a political "amateur" who is "hated by many"
"one of the most controversial leaders" of a country "known for governmental corruption and vice"
"hated by many but respected by all at least for his bella figura (personal style) and the sheer force of his will"
"regarded by many as a political dilettante (amateur) who gained his high office only through use of his considerable influence on the national media"
"We apologise to Italy and to the prime minister for this very unfortunate mistake"
"Wrong bill, Gramps."
Seriously?
I'd say somebody touched a nerve. *Cough*
AndrewK @ 41:
each seat comes with free mega dose of valium and sodium pentathol in the complementary snack bag.
'zombies make the best McNasty cheerleaders'
I'm sorry - but isn't this "town hall" meeting format supposed to be McCain's strong suit?
He came off as a bitter, angry, ass. I can't WAIT for the debates.
So McC*nt thinks he has the veterans support, can he count on the POW and MIA families as well, not a chance after he closed down the congressional hearings.
36 Marcus Aurelius
It's my understanding that not just Timothy McVeigh was a vet, but also Lee Harvey Oswald.
Does this suprise anyone? No. Bush and his cronies always pack those stupid Town Hall shindigs for years, The fact that they threw out a libraian for her McCain=Bush sign is downright criminal. But that is the way Repugs always played, but now Americans are finally wising up.
Greg Hanigan @ 47:
methinks they will be hosted and prerecorded by Faux and edited to show the power and the glory of McNasty,
no way will the Rethugs allow Mcsenile into a live studio debate with Obama.
Before the 2004 election, in my area, a young woman and her family were thrown out of one of those Town Hall meetings because she had a (gasp) Kerry bumpersticker. Talk about Democracy!
ysbaddaden @ 49:
'JFK Reloaded' a charming video game assassination simulator that was popular and bought by certain RW wingnut Republicans for indoctrinating their spawn.
P.D. @ 52:
Repugs talk about it, but dont practice it.
Could the old guy pace any faster? What a head case. ENough of him.
A historical day for America will happen in the Senate tomorrow.
They will give amnesty to a President that committed over 30 felonies and make it legal to spy on all Americans without a warrant.
The telcos paid millions in legal bribes to trash the 4th amendment.
We have two corrupt Senators supporting this travesty of justice running for President.
We are screwed 08.
The mind boggles at the apparent inability of the republicans to recognize facts and deal with them without attacking the messenger. It's really quite amazing.
Rob @ 33:
Don't joke. I'm willing to bet good money that he's on a government watch list now.
His phones will be tapped, and his mail read through.
If this country ever goes under martial law, he could be sent straight to jail under the current fascist regime.
Stay on-message, dodge the question.
Standard.
getalife @ 56:
Sex Crimes
inOF the White House by Naomi Wolf of HuffpoMcCain is the typical self-absorbed right wing opportunist who pulls the ladder of opportunity up after himself cutting off those who have the misfortune of coming behind him. This betrays an insecure psychological makeup that deep down knows it would not have made it to the top had they not had the opportunities that Liberalism carved out for them and therefore must prevent others from climbing the rungs after them. This is the true essence of Conservatism, the pathological need to feel superior to others and pretend that their success is the result of their own effort, not opportunities provided by a level playing field. They must pull the ladder up after them out of the fear of being overtaken by people of real superior abilities, intellect and hard work. McCain has had a free ride his entire life living off the government teat. The little man inside him knows this and will do anything to exclude others from excelling where he has been a mediocre failure.
Do not confront Mr McGoo when he is busy weaving tales. He has a difficult enough time keeping today's lies straight. Now you want him to remember lies he told in the past. He doesn't like to talk about it, but did you know he is a war hero?
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=86072&videoChannel=1&refresh=true
this will undercut the old vet mccain....who wants to stay a 100 years maybe more(hyperbole)n iraq. well iraq says different they want us out ......i guess the surge did work of course it's not clear how much u.s. is responsible for surge nevertheless looks like it's time to get out or give them what they asked for a timetable....sounds like somebody i'm supporting...maybe this will help with troop retention
This guy has a reputation as a maverick and a straight shooter. It is sad to see that he is just another lying opportunist, who will say and do anything. In fact, he is an embarrassment and it is painful to watch. The thing that is most surprising to me, is that he has shown such a lack of intelligence. If he had stayed true to himself, this might have been a hopeful election, with two candidates, but the Republicans knew that this was not going to be their year, so they stayed TRUE to their ways and kept up their lying, cheating scandalous ways.
John McCain, a world class prick.
It's just a matter of time before he has a meltdown with another vet, especially the ones who don't support him, which is growning, growing, growing...including a couple of my own family and extended family members, and he absolutely can't handle any of it. Keep bringing it up, especially with his surrogate attack group Vets for Freedom, who apparently can't handle it either judging by their snarky appearances on the MSM circuit.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-07-01/btl.php
Snowball @ 61:
Interesting points, snowball. However, I do not completely agree with your impressions of the essence of conservatism.
First of all, I hardly consider myself a conservative. I definitely fall into the liberal/progressive quadrant of the sociopolitical spectrum. The people who have most the control today are a sliver of the right wing corporatists blended with fascist religious zealots; they are not conservatives. Nelson Rockefeller and Barry Goldwater were conservatives whose policies were geared more toward what drives conservatism; limiting change. Conservatism is a reaction to the status quo. Some may argue about the definition of the philosophy of conservatism, but I would be very careful about labeling the group of murderous, libelous, blood sucking bottom feeders, and law breakers currently in power as conservatives. We give conservatives with good intentions a bad name when we do that.
Did anyone else notice all the "WE did this and WE did that" when he was spinning yarn about the new GI bill? This fool fought it every step of the way then didn't even show up for the vote. Just because Chimpy calls you out for props about it, don't make it so.
Spin all you want dickhead. I'm a Vet. I didn't give you any fucking awards. I don't give a shit about the ones you got. I am armed with the knowledge of your voting record for veterans issues, and it sucks. Any veteran group that threw an award your way, didn't do their homework.
Big hall or small. Prompter or none. Red state or Blue. You SUCK with the public. Stick to your fans in the Corporate Media, My Friend.
He is clearly living in the past. And senile. And stupid. And old. And living a lie. And he believes every word he says. Oh, my.
Watching McCain is always painful ... the guy asking him the question certainly seemed well-prepared and respectful. McCain is a doddering old coot, rambling on with his little rightwing talking points, completely oblivious to the original question. Confusion or senility ? Probably both.
Ferrofluid @ 60, wow, that article by Naomi Wolf is certainly disturbing. It makes one wonder what kind of videos Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice watch late at night, eh. Sick bastards.
ps, loved your comment @ 46, too funny !
Careful what you ask for there Senator McInsane when you ask a veteran to speak.
And if anyone wanted to know how McInsane "supports the troops" look no further than this video. The fact is that McInsane is typical of our representatives in Washington. They don't actually support the troops. It's just another bullshit sound bite.
Oh, and there is no OTHER voting record McInsane. There is only THE voting record.
Uh, maybe Obama should reconsider and do a few of these town halls with old Johhny Mac. I thought those were supposed to be his specialty.
Filthy dirty nasty veteran hating republiscum!
@66 Bismarck -
Thanks for the link.
Definitely worth the read.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-07-01/btl.php
McSame could have paraphrased that entire speech with one sentence, "I'm the decider!"
@74 MountainMan23
Says: @66 Bismarck -
Thanks for the link.
Definitely worth the read.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-07-01/btl.php
I'm sending this to everyone I know. Thanks for the link and linking it again. I'll admit I get some sense of satisfaction taking stabs at people like McCain, but sharing information like this will go a MUCH longer way.
Pass it on people.
djr @ 76:
Got it! Will Do!
Great article, Bismarck @ 66. Outstanding writing by Mr Broyles.
McCain lies when he says that the veteran organizations endorsed him ... the DAV and most of the other vet groups do NOT endorse candidates ... they only endorse legislative proposals .... most of them have a taxempt status and they would lose it if they endorse a candidate
he probably thinks because he was invited to address the national convention of the DAV he is endorsed ...but Obama has also been invited ....
Most veterans are learning that McCain does not have the welfare of the veterans and active military at heart
djr @ 76:
A good read, though nothing the rest of the world hasn't been shouting at the top of our lungs for years.
Though snippets of the typical disgusting attitude come though :
"It’s time for the Iraqis to step up and take over their own country."
It's not the Iraqis fault, the US is occupying and killing them they aren't just standing around while the US shoot their own made up imaginary enemy, the US are raping and killing the locals who are trying to defend their own country from your military and oil companies.
"Our brave American troops can overthrow Saddam Hussein"
The same brave america that put him there ? ..........
"I had to buy one for five bucks on the black market and turn it in before I got my ticket home. That’s how America used to do things."
Indeed, ask the CIA about the drug trade, Vietnam was all above board and kosher ....
"Osama bin Laden once supported us against the Russians in Afghanistan—because it’s good for them, for now."
Because the US forced him to, and armed him with all the latest weapons.
"Once we’re gone, we won’t continue to fuel the hatred of the Muslim world. "
What planet does this guy live on, the US has ripped open huge wounds that aren't going to go away for a very long time, if ever. You wanted your holy war, now you have one america, though there are lot more of them than there are of you.
"We won’t make more terrorists with each bomb we drop and each carful of civilians we blast apart, and we won’t alienate people around the world who used to look to us for moral leadership."
Do fucking what ???? NO ONE looks to america for moral leadership, this guy is truly off the rails now .......
While I agree with the "get out now" sentiment, the way that it's dressed up (and likely has to be) so it's "palatable" to the typical american is very very sad.
Hmmm could of formatted that better ......... ah well :)
Boy, that looks like a really excited crowd. The "over the top" enthusiasm is remarkable.
By the way, here's McCain's voting record, as recorded by the Disabled American Veterans (DAV): http://capwiz.com/dav/e4/cinfo/?id=157301&state=US
oncall @ 67:
Name me the "Conservatives" who have opposed the Bush regime. I'll name Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul. I think they honestly believe in small government, but they're the exceptions that prove the rule, even if I think that they are somewhat deluded to believe the hype.
How much longer can McCain's corporate lobbyist campaign staffers keep this life size cardboard cutout in an upright position with their tape, paper clips and twisty ties? This star-spangled wrapped in a Chinese-made American flag neo-nut is so incompetent and flat on his feet I don't see how anyone could really take him seriously. Someone purposely trying to lose a campaign would fare better that him. Obviously McCain version 3.0 is still buggy as hell and isn't much of an improvement from any of the the previous versions. Barack's going to take this goon to the woodshed in the debates. Somehow I think the media will figure out a way to prevent McCain from being totally humiliated.
Post number 1---"Either McSame is completely senile or is a bald faced liar."
These are hardly mutually exclusive.
He needs to clean the wax out of his ears.
I didn't know he did stand-up too. What a maroon. (In the Bugs Bunny sense.)
WTF!?! And yet the people applaud him for consistently voting against an increase in health care for returning soldiers.
Yet another example of how politicians can, and do, FOOL some of the people all of the time with doublespeak. Oh yeah, and it helps that the American people have become a stupid lot of sheople.
what a precious bit of videotape.
i think mccain must have peed himself a little bit.
you would think he would practice being gracious -- especially to veterans.
talk about a low tolerance for being taken off script.
just wow.
louise @ 79:
No lie ! I hear that the Revolutionary War Vets have come out for McCain. After all he did vote for those new muskets. And the Civil War Vets REALLY appreciated how he got them more rolled bandages. The Pelloponesian War Vets are debating as we speak but will also probably back McCain as he DID get the funding for their new spears and shields.
Snowball @ 84:
Here are some names: John Dean, Kevin Phillips, Pat Buchanan (a wack job in my opinion, but he is a conservative), Bruce Fein and many of my conservative neighbors, in the Republican Illinois district, in which I live who recognize the harm that Bush et all have caused.
McCain got punked and he knows it!
A telltail sign of him having to face the
truth of his own shitty voting record is
how he wanders about while answering
the questions. He has nowhere to run
and nowhere to hide, his votes are all
recorded for all to see. And the only
version of his record is FAILURE.
Smug,arrogant,mendacious,self righteous,ball festering old douche bag.
Here is another conservative, Bob Barr (the Libertarian candidate and anti Bill Clinton zealot).
Where's the MSM calling out McCain's voting record? Where's the MSM pointing out the truth about how McCain has voted on Veteran Affairs? Where's the MSM talking about McCain distorting his recrod? Where's the MSM taqlking about McCain lying to a vet? Where's the MSM talking about McCain calling himself out on Keating 5? Where's the MSM calling McCain out on his lobbying efforts with FCC for Home Shopping Network boss that was COMPLETELY inappropriate. Where's the MSM calling out McCain on his flip-flop on torture, tax cut's for the rich, campaign finance??????
The MSM is too busy telling us that non-rich white people aren't sure they can trust an "elitist", "exotic" black man.
Journalism in America. Politicians can lie just as easily now (esp if you're a Republican) as ever.
The putrid pundit class rules.
oncall @ 94:
There are certainly some true conservatives out there that put some so called "moderate" democrats to shame,and that's coming from a solid left wing social democrat.
Keep pushing Mc Doughhead harder.. everyday... hammer him with ethics questions. Watch him lose it and blow his stack. Instant Dean Scream moment for Dems to exploit.
McCain = Bush.
Bush is a pathological liar.
McCain is a pathological liar.
McCain is starting to remind me less of Bob Dole, and more of the evil network TV station owner from Weird AL's UHF film.
Why didn't the MSM do wall to wall coverage on this. If it was Obama they would have blown this story up with theme music and eveything
Nice how he doesn't let the vet cite the numbers of the bills he voted against.
Anyone out there know where these votes are listed?
When ever I hear McCain make his daily ...err, hourly mistakes/senior moments/lies/or whatever you call it.... I always get a faint strain of "Free Ride" in the back of my head.. "Come on and take a free ride...Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...a free ride..."
Notice a disturbing pattern that whenever McGrammpy gets caught lying or is shown the truth, he pretends like it never happened.
calling McFriend on his lies - FREE OF CHARGE
quoting facts about McCantFly's voting record - FREE OF CHARGE
informing McLiar that the organizations he claims to have awards from are the ones exposing his voting record - PRICELESS
pmb @ 104:
Lie,
Deny,
Then lie again!
McCain's record with the VFW isn't perfect, just for his opposition to the Webb G.I.Bill.
Here's part of the VFW's reaction to the passage of the bill:
LINK: http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.newsDtl&did=4619
President Signs New GI Bill Into Law
10-year VFW lobbying effort comes to fruition.
KANSAS CITY, Mo., June 30, 2008 – President Bush’s signature today on a new GI Bill for the 21st Century is being hailed by the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. as a tremendous victory for a new generation of military servicemen and women who have been at war for almost seven years.
"This is a tremendous victory for America's veterans, military and their families," exclaimed VFW national commander George Lisicki, a Vietnam combat veteran from Carteret, N.J.
"I salute Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) for his determination to get this bill passed, the president for his strong support of our military, and the entire VFW membership for their untiring effort to get their congressional delegations to cosponsor S. 22 or its companion bill in the House, H.R. 5740.”
The VFW fought doggedly for more than a decade to bring an expanded GI Bill into reality. Lisicki said the long-awaited victory would not have been possible without strong bipartisan support in Congress, the dedicated staff work and grassroots lobbying efforts of the VFW Washington Office, VFW Legislative Committee members, VFW Action Corps, and the entire VFW and Auxiliary membership of 2.3 million.
how uncomfy he gets under the collar.
My favorite political youtube this week
will the people who do "the real mccain" videos (or anyone, for that matter) please create a video that juxtaposes mccain's words here with the facts as presented by this questioner? (and then can that please be reposted to crooksandliars?)
many thanks in advance!!
gee, who is more deranged? mccain? or the crowd who applauds him after he disses that veteran (w/ legitimate question)?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 105:
Haha..excellent CoIntelPro !
McCain thinks he can bullshit his way through anything. Let's find out if that's true.
Here are some of the votes taken on veterans legislation:
Dodd Motion to Instruct Conferees on H.R. 4297 Re: Veterans; Tax Relief Act of 2005: Insist that the final conference report include funding to support the health needs of America's veterans and military personnel contained in section 315 of the Senate amendment instead of any extension of the tax breaks for capital gains and dividends for individuals with annual incomes greater than $1,000,000.
Amendment Rejected: 40-53. McCain - Did not vote
Stabenow Amdt No. 3141; To provide an assured stream of funding for veteran's health care - take into account the annual changes in the veterans' population and inflation to be paid for by restoring the pre-2001 top rate for income over $1 million, closing corporate tax loopholes and delaying tax cuts for the wealthy.
Rejected: 46-54. McCain - voted no.
Akaka Amdt. No. 3007; To increase Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes. Amendment failed.
Amendment Rejected: 46-54. McCain - voted no
Akaka Amdt. No. 3642 as Amended; To provide an additional $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
Amendment passed - 84-13 (3 not voting). McCain - voted no
H.R. 1591 Conference Report; U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007
Agreed to: 51-46 (3 not voting). McCain - did not vote
S.1315 as Amended; Veterans' Benefits Enhancement Act of 2007 - to amend title 38, United States Code, to enhance life insurance benefits for disabled veterans.
Passed: 96-1(3 not voting). McCain - did not vote
whenver mccain is confronted with something that would lessen his possibility of becoming president........he laughs in a really disdainful way at the questioner.
C&L would go a long in in bloogers being accepted as jounornaists if rather than summarize for us what was on the teevee, they actually looked up this guys claims and gave us a little analysis.
McCain campaign translation: "Why should the tax payers be footin' the bill for those soldiers to be in college, when they can be getting blown up in Iraq for Exxon and Haliburton? Are these the corporate fascist states of america or not?"
McCain and his side kick LIE-berman are so full of the brown stuff clear up to there eyes and the CORPORATE CONTROLED MEDIA letes McCain slid all the time with his LIES. Like his voting for the last VA bill of WEBBS and the CROPROTE CONTROLED MEDAI will let McCain slip and slide away.
As a veteran myself, I am sick and tired of McGrampy presuming he has the military vote in his back pocket. His voting record proves he doesn't give a shit about his fellow veterans. He doesn't get "my" endorsement.
no one becomes a career service person because of the benefits...they become career because they love the service
that was the most disengenuous argument i have ever heard
the gi bill that came after ww2 created the middle class...a middle class that flourished up until the chimp became prez
a second gi bill, along with other packages, including an alternative energy manhatten project, could create a brand new economy
but mcoldfart doesnt want that to happen, as he is a tool of the corporatists
and of course he doesnt want the vets to get the same health benefits that he has....you know the ones, the ones that allow him to continue living despite his bouts with skin cancer
god, he makes me ill
C&L canyou research Mccains Votes on Vets issues and see what the vet in the video point was? McCain never really let him make his point clearly.
Licking the BBQ off of their fingers I fear. Gotta love them barbaques!
This is nothing new. Whenever someone asks him a question that points things he's done or said that contradict the false image he's created for himself, he does one of the following:
-Flatly denies that he ever said or did the thing people are challenging on. Or claims he doesn't remember. Which means he's either A) a liar or B) senile. Neither is a very good choice IMO.
-Gives an answer that is completely unrelated to the question, assuming that Americans are too stupid to realize it's unrelated. Or maybe he's too stupid to realize, I'm not sure on that one.
or
-Veils his obvious anger by laughing creepily and subtly mocking the person who asked the question, offering condescending platitudes like "oh, that's your version, I have all these people who say I'm right, *laugh laugh laugh awkward smile* but I'd sure like to talk about your version of this." When he says this, he means he never ever intends to discuss the other person's "version," it means he wants to act like an arrogant, mocking prick. Decoding the creepy laugh and the smugness, it directly translates to:
"You are a c*nt."
cobalt @ 100:
LOL! Oh wow, that is a PERFECT comparison.
that right there is SOP for John
Voter: "Senator McCain, what about health care for vets?"
McCain: "Let me respond to your question about education for vets..."
What a slimy bastard.
I a vet, and I think McCain is a lying, slimey scumbag.
Well at least it wasn't as bad as this time he got pissed. See more. http://www.tagg-lines.com/2008/07/mccains-angry-streak-flairs.html
What an ass. A voting record is a voting record McCain. There is no "version" of it.
As a veteran of more than 25 years of active service in the Navy, I personally can not see how McCain can defend his opposition to the new GI bill.
"If being tortured by the North Vietnamese for 5+ years qualifies McCain to be president, then there are more than 250 current and former Gitmo detainees from Afganistan who are qualified to be the next Afgan president." MZ
"So I don’t know what bill you’re referring to or what you’re referring to and I’ll be glad to have you refer to it."
Okay there Gramps
I find it interesting that, when the guy told him he could cite the votes, he quickly tried to shoot the guy down. I guess he didn't want any pesky facts in the way of a narrative he's trying to craft for himself.
Would somebody, please, change McSame's Depends?
Sorry, McT-Rex, this Vietnam Veteran (66-67) ain't voting for you.
Senator McCain is a LIAR. If you want to see Sen. McCain's voting record, go to www.votesmart.org. or Google Project Vote Smart. The have voting records that go back to the 1990, I think. They also have a special interest group report card for each Member of Congress. He special interest group record for veterans affairs ranges from 0% to 100% with a few letter grades thrown in. According to Vote Smart, here is a sample: 2006 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 20 percent in 2006, 2005 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 25 percent in 2005, 2004 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 50 percent in 2004, 1999 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 66 percent in 1999, 1997-1998 Senator McCain supported the interests of the Vietnam Veterans of America 0 percent in 1997-1998, 1989-1990 On the votes that the Vietnam Veterans of America considered to be the most important in 1989-1990 , Senator McCain voted their preferred position 50 percent of the time. Also if you look at his voting record, he has many no votes on important bills that he could not be bothered to get back to Capital Hill to vote on. This is his record. He would have you believe something else that is less than truthful.
The guy is asking about specific votes and all McCain can come up with is that some Veterans organizations like him? Should we ask them about those specific votes? Is that what he is saying?
Oh McCain was seriously stumbling on his own words. uh uh but again but er ee II oo uu where's the exit.
McCain's severe anger management problem is one of the many things that makes him unfit to lead. Can you imagine him in a diplomatic situation? World leaders would be wishing they had Bush back.
We're going to a guy who's testy from the guy who couldn't pass any tests?
ysbaddaden @ 138:
...from the guy whose testes got him in trouble.
139 Rusty the Hated Blogger Shackleford
Reach out...reach out and touche yourself.
Grandpa McCain 2008! http://youtube.com/watch?v=R7YTf08xjpE
Snowball @ 61:
Interesting points, snowball. However, I do not completely agree with your impressions of the essence of conservatism.
First of all, I hardly consider myself a conservative. I definitely fall into the liberal/progressive quadrant of the sociopolitical spectrum. The people who have most the control today are a sliver of the right wing corporatists blended with fascist religious zealots; they are not conservatives. Nelson Rockefeller and Barry Goldwater were conservatives whose policies were geared more toward what drives conservatism; limiting change. Conservatism is a reaction to the status quo. Some may argue about the definition of the philosophy of conservatism, but I would be very careful about labeling the group of murderous, libelous, blood sucking bottom feeders, and law breakers currently in power as conservatives. We give conservatives with good intentions a bad name when we do that.
Well, since at least 95% of those who identify themselves as conservatives have supported Bush in virtually EVERY policy that he has pushed...I'm not worried about giving any conservative a bad name, especially since even the ones with good intentions have no problem with trying to give Democrats a bad name.
oncall @ 68:
Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and their ilk were around in the Rockerfeller and Goldwater era what were they, conservatives too right? So we've gone from backward, bigoted, racist and homophobic conservativism to "muderous, libelous, blood sucking bottem feeding law breaking conservatives." Not to mention the Tom Delay congress. So going back 50 years exactly which conservatives with "good intentions" are being given an unwarranted bad name? A very small minority of conservatives it would seem.
The lesson is this: don't test Grandpa when he's running one of these townhall BS sessions.
"in case you missed it"
"don't respond to my confusion until I allow you to do so"
"I'll be happy to look at YOUR version"
Master of the putdowns. He obviously does not know the first rule of management: the higher up you are, the more gently you reach down.
(OK, no potty jokes). I'm just glad it was a vet who asked the question, because I would have crumbled under that kind of snarly condescension.
Also love how McCain was forced to support the bill after all. Can't give Webb any credit for it. It went from being "too generous" to needing to be extended to family members. hahahaha.
Good job, Vet!!
"Uh, my friend, I…all I can say is I don’t know what you’re pointing to..."
"I don’t know what you’re referring to..."
Now WHO does that sound like? Here's a hint...he has been squatting in the White House for the last eight years.
pinkobait @94Says: Smug,arrogant,mendacious,self righteous,ball festering old douche bag.
Well done, I can't think of any better description!
Baaaaaahhhhh! Sheep to the slaughter.
I'd like to see some American veteran with the CMOH ask him some of these questions.
If he blows off someone like that, no more proof will be required to show what an owned scumbag he is.
Login or Register to post comments.