George Will defends Phil Gramm too...Whiners!
By John Amato Saturday Jul 12, 2008 9:00pm
The Conservatives are out in force trying to bail John McCain out from Phil Gramm's ridiculous comments---you know---about calling us all a bunch of whiners.
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"Phil Gramm was right of course," Will declared. "Absolutely
WILL: On two points. ... We're not in a recession as commonly defined. That is two consecutive quarters of negative growth.
STEPHANOPOULOS: We may be running there though. Even Bernanke says so.
WILL: We're not however. Unemployment is just about the post-war average at 5.5 percent. His second point that we're a nation of whiners: we are the crybabies of the western world. In fact, we have an extraordinarily low pain threshold.
Heather says:
Stengel follows with saying that no one wants to be called a whiner and cites one of their polls on the public perception of the economy and says those statements weren't helpful. You, think? Brazile notes that McCain had to distance himself from Gramm and says Phil is mental. Roberts follows with saying that it's just the old harsh style of politics and it's the wrong year for that. Oh, and the public doesn't understand McCain's jokes.
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Telling us about our malaise didn't work for Jimmy Carter.
Maybe all of these folks chiming in together can make us be disgusted with ourselves, rather than with them.
It isn't working for me, so far.
I don't understand how they think this could be a good idea.
Have you noticed that all the a-holes who tell everyone they're whining too much about the economy all have very large and secure paychecks?
who listens to the people? have they made a mortgage payment recently? or had someone in their family die in iraq? or pumped their own gas?
Remember when the punchline to the old joke about what is a (fill in the blank with your least offensive demographic target) favourite wine, was: 'But I wanted to go to Palm Springs this year'?
Guess now it's more, 'what is a struggling middle-class American's favourite wine?'
Answer is, 'I wanna not have to work two crappy jobs for basic wages just to buy enough gas to get to work in the first place, and not lose my house because the banks that gave me this predatory loan in the first place are going tits up, and for the dollar to be slightly worth more than toilet paper, and gee whiz since I'm whining here, might be nice to have a bit of medical insurance for the kids while we're at it, in case they get shot while at their school...'
Hmm. Not quite so funny.
I'd like to find out what George Will's pain threshold is.
If it's all in my head, does that mean I can show up for work tomorrow at the company that moved my job to India? Come to think about it, following this line of propaganda may be counter productive. They are on TV, and the only people who have enough time to sit there listening to their babble are the unemployed, or the drunk.
Hey, you are all whiners. Now go out and buy these fine products from our sponsors, and you will feel better about yourself.
why cant they say recession directly? "mental recession"? When's disney going to start making cutbacks in the ABC news department because we whiners cant afford a week at EPCOT?
Conservatives at least defend the gaffes from their surragates. Liberals run in fear otherwise the media will obliterate them.
If they have no bread, let them eat cake.
The Dollar is Doomed and the Fed's Days are Numbered
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zhLPNdjyjyg
Wake-up America--Bush's goodtime goodies of low mortgage rates sucked you royally for his two invasions.But there will always be money for Israel.5.5% unemployment rate--baloney!
Don from Canada @ 11:
Vive la Révolution!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastille_Day
As a token foreigner, I think the evidence is on his side. America still has some of the world's cheapest oil, cheapest commodities, a currency which is a pseudo common currency, hugely powerful economy etc etc.
However, of course saying that is political suicide...
They said the same thing before all the banks crashed and they jumped out the windows.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/14/business/14bank.php
w is bailing out two more lenders and Budweiser sold out.
Finally a majority of Americans have awakened to the FACT that our "leaders" have driven the ship of state over a cliff ..
And that makes us "whiners" ..
It wasn't OK for Obama to refer to disillusioned American workers as "bitter" ..
But it's OK for the ReThugs to call us "whiners" ..
Oh those bitter serfs---how dare they complain. George's solution would be to send everyone a pair of bootstraps so they could lift themselves up just like he did--yeah, right. And if the serfs would have a bit of patience then they would see a few pennies trickle down their way. Surprisingly enough these people are actually affected by 4.00/gal. gas prices---wow, that's quite a concept.
Of course when you're a millionaire like Will you can afford to insulate yourself from the reality of average people and avoid being soiled by the great unwashed.
I just read Cynthia McKinney was nominated as the Green Party candidate for President. Now there's an idea !
"Whiners"!!! The WORD of the Presidential campaign of 2008! This is the word I'll remember.
Thanks from: Citizen Whiners everywhere.
Both Will and Gramm are absolutely correct about the whining, they're just wrong about who's doing the most of it.
The big I-Banks on Wall Street, the National Association of Realtors, the Nat. Ass. of Home Builders, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, the CEOs of Wells Fargo and BAC ('cuz they didn't get the sweetheart deal JPM got from the Fed. Yet.)
Never mind that the unemployment figures have been padded by the Bush regime by counting part timers as employed and doesn't count people whose unemployment benefits have expired or never qualified in the first place. Many people are unemployed who never qualified for benefits because they either didn't hold a job long enough or were fired. They are not counted in the unemployment figures.
RickMack @ 18:
...that makes almost everyone laugh.
go try to jack some other thread this one is about George Will's claim that; "we have an extraordinarily low pain threshold."
I'd like to slug Will and see if that's true.
RickMack @ 18:
If you think letting McCain win in November is an idea. Then again, you didn't say it was a good one.
MEME! MEME! MEME! =)
this is kind of funny. Obama says that families in blue collar small towns are bitter with politics, so they cling to guns & god.
so many reporters meme out there "elitism, elitism" - so many websites are sighing "oh come ON, who CARES?!?! they AAAARE!!!"
now the tables are turned. and its funny. they're as literally turned as they can get.
McCain's #1 cheerleading and advisory section says that families in blue collar small towns are "whiners".
the web memes "whiner, whiner" - so many reporters are downplaying it, or reasserting (as the esteemed soft handed yanking, thick glassed wearing, middle aged skinny with a beer gut having Mr. Will so eloquently and verbosely articulates) that we *ARE* kind of whiny.
meanwhile, the internet kind of does that whole.. um.. pissed off girlfriend thing on McCain. seriously. its like the whole internet, even the right leaning blogs, are kind of snapping our head and sticking out our hips and eyeing McCain (and his apologists) in the eyes and saying "ex-CUSE me, motherfucker?!?! *WHAT* did you just caaaalll me ... ?? what?!! what .. ? - come on, say it again..."
McCain is going to have to distance himself farther from Gramm than Obama had to distance himself from Rev. Wright, once this shit is through.
oh, and by the way, if I didn't make it clear enough before? and if any ABC trolls are lurking... its *REALLY* ironic to see a skinny baby booming nancy pants nerd like George Will talk crap about Detroit auto workers, Pittsburgh coal miners and Pac NW loggers. George, *YOU* might fall into the statistical evidence of weak American pain thresholds vs. Easterners, but...... that don't mean the rest of us don't know how to take a punch.
I mean, for crying out loud - when Detroit auto workers are "whining" that something hurts, thats USUALLY a good indicator that something's broken...
Attila the Neopopulist, no Stomach for Imperial Adventures @ 13:
YouTube: Casablanca - La Marseilaisse
it's been a few months now so i can't recall for sure
was that Bear Sterns that was whining and was sold
for $2 a share(93%drop in value)........oh that's right the fed reserve helped out....a bail out....
I'll probably get flamed here for this, but McCain's jab at Gramm, "In serious consideration for ambassador to Belarus," was pretty funny.
George Will is a pathetic though articulate fool. What we are wittnesing today is a government gone absolutely off the deep end with no accountability what so ever to the American people who are in fact the government of the United States. But things don't seem to work that way any longer.
With todays bailout of Freddie and Fannie, we have all be sentenced to a life time of slavery and servatude to the banking masters. They are allowed to make hundreds of millions in profits off the back of the little guy. They nickle and dime us for every last penny they can squeeze out of us, whether in the form of ATM fees, outrageous interest rates on credit cards if your payment is one second late, or selling you a sham mortgage. Just how many of these assholes that have created this nightmare along with their political bretheren that was supposed to be watching over them are going to jail? When will Uncle Ben Bernanke and I'm full of crap Paulson be fitted for their jump suits?
I thought America died last week when the FISA bill was signed into law. I was wrong. It took place today and all we do is turn the other cheek and ask for more. It doesn't get any more pathetic than this. The dollar will continue to fall. Gold and silver will continue to rise. Good luck trying to keep yourselves warm this coming winter when fuel oil hits 6 to 7 dollars per gallon. But have no fear. No doubt there will be another rebate check in the mail before black Friday arrives so we can all do the right thing and go out and spend it. In the evnt there isn't another rebate check, you can always burn your furniture to keep you nice and toasty.
Attila the Neopopulist, no Stomach for Imperial Adventures @ 8:
You mean an F-18 from McDonnell Douglass or the Mercedes that only about one in a thousand can afford?
So, whiners is the new unpatriotic.
They are trying to shut you up because the economy will get much worse.
You want to see whinning. Make the rich pay taxes.
(1) IndyMac is 2nd largest bank failure in history not 3rd.
(2) Recession is "significant decline" NOT two quarters of negative growth.
WILL: On two points. … We’re not in a recession as commonly defined. That is two consecutive quarters of negative growth.
A recession is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales. A recession begins just after the economy reaches a peak of activity and ends as the economy reaches its trough. Between trough and peak, the economy is in an expansion. Expansion is the normal state of the economy; most recessions are brief and they have been rare in recent decades. - NBER
The NBER is the nation's leading nonprofit economic research organization. Sixteen of the 31 American Nobel Prize winners in Economics and six of the past Chairmen of the President's Council of Economic Advisers have been researchers at the NBER. The more than 1,000 professors of economics and business now teaching at universities around the country who are NBER researchers are the leading scholars in their fields.
We are in a recession.
Here's what I propose: let's displace all the money of all these rich pricks into the pockets of the common man (i.e. the bottom 85% of America), and see whether or not the George Wills, Sean Hannitys and Phil Gramms of the world whine about it.
Yah see... conservatives only whine in private... "Muffy, Buffy, we're out of Perrier... we might die!"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=ayIvmRwa4t6E&refer=home
Anyone who can afford $20,000 a week to go to a private Island to whine... doesn't really have much to whine about!
RickMack @ 18:
And the Conservatives try to label Michelle Obama as an "angry black woman". Just wait until they get a taste of Mrs. McKinney.
burnt @ 24:
McCain didn't make the whiners remark himself.
That's why it won't be as powerful.
I'm still going to do what I can to spread it.
So during the Bush Administration, people bought gas guzzling trucks to go to the grocery store - and gas prices rose so much, the trucks became unaffordable.
So during the Bush Administration, people bought houses using adjustable rate mortgages - and interest rates rose so much, the homes became unaffordable.
Meanwhile food prices, tuitions, medical costs, and cost of living rose faster than wages. The value of the US Dollar has dived making goods overseas more expensive (including oil) thousands of Americans have died in an unncessary war (10's of thousands wounded). Each American's share of the national debt has increased, and everyday, we are closer and closer to losing social security and medicare.
actually we really know what's going on here.....they're
doing the whining because this isn't going to go over well
in ohio,pennsylvania and michigan. they're trying real hard to blame it on the democrats......obama needs to hit them hard with this
To paraphrase Reagan it seems that the economy has stayed afloat so far by "mortgaging our future and our children's future for the temporary convenience of the present". Of course, Reagan ran deficits, and today, associating the Republican party with fiscal responsibility is laughable. However, I don't think the people who voted for Bush should be whining. We had a balanced budget and projections for eliminating the deficits handed to us on a silver platter by Clinton, every opportunity for continuing the policy with Gore, and threw it all away. (The 2000 election shouldn't have been close).
So where are we now? The dollar is devaluing against other currencies, health care costs are spiraling, energy costs are spiraling, the deficit as a percentage of GDP is increasing, foreclosures are up, the jobs reports indicate 438,000 jobs lost in 2008 through June, and food costs are rising.
I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. The stimulus checks may have bought a little time, but their effect was offset by rising gas prices, and also, because part of the stimulus occurs in the country of manufacture. With so much stuff imported these days, China's economy probably benefited from the stimulus checks as much as the U.S.
I don't think that the excessive government, corporate and personal debt is going to somehow be miracled away. We have mortgaged our future, and the bill is becoming due.
George Will is a pontificating popinjay.
Why anyone takes him seriously is a wonder.
Whiner @ 36:
When Bu'ush "took" office you could buy a Euro for 94 cents. Today it's $1.57.
The MBA-in-Chief / CEO-in-Chief. LOL!
Like the rest of them, he too need a bail-out.
Rasputin @ 33:
Your heart really has to go out to those who just screwed us. Poor little rich guys who can't take the stress of ripping people off. All we can do is either sit on the side of the road with an empty gas tank or make it home and either kick the dog or yell at the kids. What's wrong with this country? Is there no one left that has any leadership at all? Is there no one running for office that once they get to D.C. cannot be corrupted by a system that is rotten from top to bottom?
Is this all they can do?
Blame America?!
Phil Gramm : We're whiners.
Fred Barnes: Baaaa baaaa
Goerge Will: Baaaa baaaa
conservatards in unison: Baaaa baaaa
Whiner @ 36:
And the republicans will gleefully say to our face on TV, see I told you so, "Social security and Medicare does not work". Now, you must pass this "bi-partisan" bill to overhaul the social security to non-existent, and Medicare to private insurance companies. Privatization is cure all for everything. Govt is too big, too wasteful, too everything. Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac is a representation of that, too big to fail. So we must break them up, privatize them so that we can all benefit.
Never mind the fact, the GW Bush social conservative agenda has ballooned federal government more than any president in the history of US.
Never mind the fact, that there are more positions created by GW Bush, and now there are more unfilled positions in federal govt, because all of them just quits for "family reason".
And never mind the fact, that privatization or globalization for that matter, has starved the US of lower and middle-class jobs. And the intellectuals, well, most of them can't even get in now, or want to get in because of this anti-immigration slant undertaken by GW Bush. There are more chemical, bio-engineering, engineering companies who are thinking of shifting their HQ abroad because they can't get talents to come here.
And also never mind the fact, the private security forces, and firefighter companies are posting triple digit growth during GW Bush admin.
I say, f*** you Bush.
The bailout of Fannie and Freddie get better by the minute. bad enough we are now enslaved to bailing out the banks, but now we become the ultimate hostages of OPEC. As per Bloomberg.....
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aw6lIs2RpX84&refer=us
Oil Brings U.S. Closer to OPEC Dependence, Replacing Japanese
By Daniel Kruger
July 14 (Bloomberg) -- Petroleum exporting nations from Saudi Arabia to Russia are not only charging Americans record high prices for fuel, they are also poised to become the biggest creditor to the U.S. government.
Holdings of Treasuries by oil producers and institutions such as U.K. banks that are proxies for Middle East nations rose 44 percent this year to $510.8 billion through April, four times faster than the rest of the world, according to the Treasury Department's most recent data. At the current pace, they'll surpass Japan, which holds $592.2 billion, as the largest owner this month.
While the investment of so-called petrodollars into government debt is helping to temper a rise in borrowing costs as the U.S. finances a record budget deficit, it highlights America's dependence on foreign money. New York's Chrysler Building was bought last week by Middle East investors.
``We should be very happy that they're buying U.S. Treasuries because they're keeping interest rates low, and that's a positive for bond investors,'' said Gary Pollack, who helps oversee $12 billion as head of fixed-income trading at Deutsche Bank AG's Private Wealth Management unit in New York. ``Whether there's geopolitical risk is something else.''
Whatever Americans do, they must not think that McCain is a member of the club of arrogant a******s who have made it and believe that everyone else should go ahead and eat cake. I wonder when it will occur to Americans that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are riddled with a******s whose only concern is padding their own behinds. Believe it or not the, “I’m doing OK so the rest of you should just “cool your jets” is not going to cut it in any election not just this one. McCain can say whatever deceitful statements he wants to make, but the fact is he is not a maverick he is one of the “good old boys” network of candy ass opportunists whose lack of decency allows them to do things like hug George W. Bush after his campaign in South Carolina said that McCain was a coward for signing the confession for war crimes, (true,) that his stay at the Hanoi Hilton was extremely difficult, but not impossible, because the North Vietnamese were experimenting with propaganda at the time and harming prisoners would not have helped their cause, (not heroic,) that his wife “was” a drug addict, (true,) and that they had a black child out of wedlock, (untrue because they adopted the child.) Hugging George W. Bush after that would require a weakness of character I find difficult to imagine and was certainly not presidential, at least not for an American president. Maybe John McCain should go to Belarus and run for president, they might find such behavior appropriate, I do not really know.
after all this remember...its OBAMA who's the elitist
Tarro @ 7:
When he can no longer afford to buy a bad hairpiece. Which as a member of the conservative elite will be never.
Seems to me I can remember the day when conservatives were the whiners. It was back when we had a Democratic president, deficits of previous Republican administratiions were being erased, the nation was enjoying record prosperity and peace, and all the Republicans were whining, Monica Lewinsky! Whaaaa! Monica Lewinsky! Whaaaa! Impeach! Impeach! Whaaaaa!
But we're not in a recession?
Let's review, shall we.
Since W's been appointed/selected president of Amurika by the supreme court the following has occured over his 7 and a half years in office:
1) Record number of foreclosures.
2) Record number of personal bankruptcy filings.
3) The dollar is almost worthless. You can barely purchase a fucking orange for a dollar.
4) Gee, shocking that energy prices are at an all time high under the oil administration.
5) Between record gas prices and the worthless dollar, all commodities we purchase are higher. Such as food, utilities, insurance, vacations, textiles.
6) Our personal freedoms have been erradicated by our government even though our troops are supposed to be fighting to keep us free somewhere else. Maybe they should come back and kill all of our elected officials and their paid by corporate officers.
7) There is a record number of Amurikans living below the poverty line.
8) The rich are growing their wealth by an average of 30% per year.
9) There were a record number of high school drop outs.
10) There are a record number of homeless people.
11) There have been a record number of our jobs shipped overseas. They've been replaced mostly by retail and other crappy service industry positions.
12) There have been stagnant wages along with the rising consumer price index. Which translates into overall household income erosion.
13) The only reason we aren't technically in a recession (2 straight fiscal/calendar quarters of declining GDP) is because prices are rising more rapidly than we can decrease our spending. Statements like this cannot be seen on your local or national or cable news networks.
FOR ONCE...
everybody around the table LAUGHS at George Will's observations...
and proceeds to point out why he is so far off base.
Charles @ 50:
Quit whining!
CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 51:
When George Will was in grade school he got his books knocked out of his hands on a regular basis. Now he's getting his revenge by taking it out on America with his punditry.
I just finished watching a repeat of 60 Minutes. One of the stories was about the whiners in and around the area of Knoxville Tennessee needing healthcare. Some of our fellow Americans drove over 400 miles to get free care from Remote Area Medical, a medical team founded to bring free medicine to remote parts of the world. There was a wide range of problems, from a bad tooth to cancer. I'd like to know what these elitist, fascist pigs think about the pain these whiners must be in to drive up to 4-5 hours and sleep in their car for about 6-7 hours just for someone to see them for a health related issue. I guess Knoxville Tennessee is now in a remote part of the world. I wonder which U.S. city will be next.
George Will, Fred Barnes, Sean Hannity...It doesn't matter. These people fill the cable airwaves to shovel shit into your ears through boxes in your living rooms. They are highly paid public relations agents for interests that are pure evil and totally inhumane. They've sold us all out for a small pile of gold. The more you think about it, the more repulsive it gets.
Whatever they're selling, I'm not buying.
Ruthless...Indeed!
Hahaha!
After all...we're not REALLY in a recession.
Actually, that's all cool. I'm sure most Americans like to be told they're a bunch of whiners.
I'm sure it'll turn them right off voting Republican, maybe for good. First you get us into a world depression and then you have the nerve to tell us to STOP WHINING. Impressive stuff.
dada @ 54:
Didn't even mention health care. Yes, we're pretty much screwed.
Maybe we should quit whining and....revolt.
The Rockafeller Institute coming out with data saying people are concerned about their financial future.
That's the equivalent of a pre Civil War Slaveholder's Institute releasing data saying that the slaves aren't happy about their lives.
Elitist?, Right. Graham says we're whiners and none of the talking heads call him an elitist.
Isn't Graham one of those to blame for the trouble that we're in right now? Didn't he pass legislation, and/or lobby for legistlation that made the current credit crisis possible? None of the talking heads seem to mention that either.
I read one of the links provided here, and the Savings and Loan scandal only cost 125 Billion? That seems like pocket change compared to what the current scandal will cost-I mean this time the "Macs" are going under for christ sakes! Could anyone imagine that would happen 20 years ago?
We are so screwed.
Don from Canada @ 30:
We'd have to get out the waders from the buckets of tears the rich would cry so much.
I say raise them on up.
Charles @ 58:
I saw this 60 Minutes segment tonight also and couldn't help but wonder how many of those folks were gonna go back home and vote against their own best interests by voting Republican in the next election cycle falling once again for Republican fear mongering, gay marriage baiting, believing that Obama is muslim seeking to undermine America, and anything else hate radio and FOX News spoon feeds them as they continue to suffer under Republican policies.
Charles @ 55:
I do particularly hate George the Willie.
Somehow these rich thugs do not make me agree with them. I do not agree with any of the lies they have told me in the past and to date have no reason to think they are telling me the truth today. George Will is a useless neo-conservative liar.
crazylikeafox @ 63:
The only people who like these assholes are the people who hired them. They never speak for us. They just shovel corporate interests to make us try to think that those interests are OUR interests. And they're all smug bastards with these insane wry little smiles on their faces most of the time. Like Bill Kristol. I swear, if I ever see that punk, bitch in public......
John Tighe @ 60:
... and what's ironic is the "whiners" will bail them out.
Ugh, meanwhile AOL has a poll up along with an article about IRAN's response to McCain's casual ohsofunny joke about killing Iranians with US cigarettes. hahahaha. Iranians aren't laughing.
The poll shows the majority of votes saying the jokes were appropriate!!! And that they (voters in this poll) trust McCain more than Obama on foreign policy!
Please voters, do your homework! Vote with your heads and your hearts, not your boots up someone's ass. Thank you.
crazylikeafox @ 61:
Let's not forget Mrs. Lay talking about "cutting back". boo hoo. That was truly tragic. /s
Peter G @ 4:
Amen brother!
Morton Kondracke is another one. Beady eyed little piece of shit. Fred Barnes and Kondracke on "The Beltway Boys" is enough to make you projectile vomit all over your flat screen.
dosido @ 67:
AOL is owned by Time Warner. They're huge in with Murdoch's News Corp. I saw a poll they had in the last week or so. Over a hundred thousand people polled, almost two thirds were voting for McInsane. That should tell you who AOL panders to. It should also tell you that their marketing plan has worked.
so according to these fucking elitists, no matter what your situation, shutup and dont complain
so what if we are not in a text book recession...everyone know that the government has juked the stats for years
unemployment is in fact at least double what they report...and the government always stays away from the underemployed
i am making less now than when bush took office...that is all i know
i have a masters degree, retrained myself in computer technology, and i feel like a failure
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 72:
Right on! In fact, anyone who mentions the unemployment rate in an argument to back up how GREAT things are going, is a total liar or a super stupid fool.
The fact is that the unemployment rate is a number (percentage of the workforce (defined as the workforce, at large)) which contains only people who were laid off from their jobs (permanent positions at corporations, not temporary, contract, or non-direct hire positions), and who are currently receiving unemployment benefits. Which only last 13 weeks and these can be extended (I believe up to twice). So it's a bull shit number. I think you're pretty close. It's actually at least double.
And I also agree with you that the other statistics can be "augmented." Would anyone really know if the GDP grew by 1% or declined by 3% based upon accounting irregularities? I don't think so! And also these idiots would have good reason to fake the numbers. If we really had data that told us our entire economy was about to totally collapse, there would be serious problems. Runs on banks, grocery stores, and other "events."
WILL: We’re not however. Unemployment is just about the post-war average at 5.5 percent.
By the government's own numbers the unemployment rate is 10.3%
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
When you count the people that dropped off the roles because their unemployment benefits ran out.
Republican will be the whiners come election day. Get rid of these politicians who think everything is just rosey.
Will is a great writer? His sentiments were expressed far more clearly - and succinctly - by the late Queen of France.
"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".
Guillotine the bow-tied mother-fucker.
joeedugan @ 76:
Game theory class project:
"Ram the Hot Poker up the Talking Head's Ass"
joeedugan @ 76:
He does not even have a grasp on basic economic concepts.
He may have a lower IQ then Hannity and that is saying a lot.
When Will and his ilk speak of the people's "pain threshold," it's important to remember that for neo-liberal economists, pain is the whole point, not at all unintended. It's all about keeping labor cheap, and the way you do that is to inflict economic pain, and economic fear. The loss of the middle class is by design.
So basically it looks at though the right-wing can rag on the working class as much as they want...
as long as they don't use the word 'bitter'.
Yeah, that'll work.
kathleen @ 80:
Indeed, in their feeble minds they assume that a scared and abused labor force is a docile labor force.
It has been the MO of the elites for the past few thousand of years, same shit... more modern wrapper. That is all.
Major catch: It is simply not sustainable though, at some people the labor force goes from docile to pissed off and then heads start rolling.
The day of reckoning will come, and you will see real whining.
dosido @ 68:
That poll tells a lot about the psychosis of a big chunk of the American populace.
We are a nation of assholes...
When George Will, Phil Graham and the likes say, " were a nation of whiners". They are not including themselves.
But to include them, and to hear them whiners snivel. Just start talking of raising their taxes..!
Then we will see who is doing the whining.............
John Tighe @ 61:
"Recession" is so yesterday - we are free falling into a "Depression"
Moving from the "R" word to the "D" word.........
"Billions" is also so yesterday - "Trillions" is what we have come to
Moving from the "B" word to the "T" word.........
There's no bread, let them eat cake
There's no end to what they'll take
Flaunt the fruits of noble birth
Wash the salt into the earth
But they're marching to Bastille Day
La guillotine will claim her bloody prize
Free the dungeons of the innocent
The king will kneel and let his kingdom rise
Bloodstained velvet, dirty lace
Naked fear on every face
See them bow their heads to die
As we would bow as they rode by
And we're marching to Bastille Day
La guillotine will claim her bloody prize
Sing, oh choirs of cacophony
The king has kneeled, to let his kingdom rise
Lessons taught but never learned
All around us anger burns
Guide the future by the past
Long ago the mould was cast
For they marched up to Bastille Day
La guillotine claimed her bloody prize
Hear the echoes of the centuries
Power isn't all that money buys
Whatever!
These neoCONs, and the CONservatives, and the republiCONs know that their days are numbered.
I truly believe they will get their comeuppance. BIG TIME.
All these folks from "media" know that less and less people watch TV for their LIES.
They are all are clowns who will whine once Obama gets the presidency in November 2008. We won't have to say to them to stop whining because they will be IGNORED and fitted with muzzels!
let them eat cake! - yeah right, back at you CON trash!
You are ALL going down.
Karma is a bitch!
joeedugan @ 77:
And don't forget Phil Gramm too.
I wouldn't bother with any AOL polls. According to one of their other polls based on people who use their site voting, McCain would win all 50 states. No matter what happens in November, that isn't happening ...
I can't bear to watch even a second of TV news. Did Will do that part of his act where he quotes some obscure dead person ("It was the Marquis Poulet de la Mer in 1753 who said...), and we're supposed to think George Will is the smartest man in the world because he remembers every banal utterance of the 17th and 18th centuries? George Will is a fraud with a book of quotations and list of Heritage Foundation talking points. I wonder if the Marquis said anything about government stooges.
my family is very moral and i remember
two of the most important things you never
say to someone or jest about is
that you want someone to die and
that you will harm or kill them yourself.
we also were taught that respect for yourself
always shows in what you say and do.
the gop bastards continually show contempt for
anyone who is not in their low IQ group or
their arrogant/condescending pile of shit
friendspolitical connections.
Who the hell watches this crap, what a bunch of elitist snobs. If McSame wins these Ass Hats will be telling us that in 30 years we will see the wisdom of Grampa all over again. I just loved that "of course he's right" BS from Will and the "Americans do get it" from Roberts.
Why do we count unemployed people, anyway? The numbers are completely made up, after excluding people who are not participating, and counting military personnel. Once you begin to use a meaningful number, we could all watch it go up and down, like the tide or something.
In fact, we have an extraordinarily low pain threshold.
What pain has Mr. Will ever experienced? Financial pain that is. Like job loss, followed by foreclosure, followed by divorce? These MFers sit and whine about the 'whiners'. Bye, bye indyMAC, ginnyMAY, freddieMAC and all of us that loose everything while some peckerhead from Dubai comes in and buys it up for pennies? Quit your whining Goerge Will says....
Peter G @ 4:
This.
The real whiners are the ones who bitch about losing profits to minimum wage laws. The real whiners are republicans who bitch and bitch about how maligned they are. The real whiners are the people who act like they somehow deserve to be billionaires when the rest of the world is starving.
In other words: McCain's fanbase are the real whiners.
Can you imagine George saying "of course he's right" about anything Obama says.
Charles @ 60:
LOL, seriously. In other news, women in 1918 were worried about voting, jews in 1939 Germany were worried about Hitler, and cows in America today are concerned about the popularity of beef products.
Why do they always talk about unemployment? Why is that the single defining benchmark for the conservative economy? Wages are down, benefits are down, inflation is up, costs of most basic goods are going up... but hey, at least everyone has a job! Or two.
Charles @ 71:
Flat screen?, I still have my old Setchell Carlson ;)
That faint sound of whining you hear is actually the hum of millions of Americans vibrating in total FRUSTRATION at seeing their country destroyed from within by pompous windbags in plush leather chairs pontificating about NOTHING.
"We have a low pain threshold".
This from a man who's idea of pain is having to sit in traffic in his limousine.
dosido @ 69:
http://www.rense.com/general29/stunt.htm
"It isn't nice to sell things from one's own home," she says in a despondent voice. Which one, I ask disingenuously? After all, the Lays had 15 houses worth more than $40 million - 13 in Texas worth almost $29 million, and two in Aspen, Colorado. It cannot be easy, it must be supposed, to remember which item came from where.
"Ken and I have just agreed the sale of two more homes so we're waiting to see if the buyers want the furnishings. If not, they will come here."
She scratches her head and moans: "If I'd known I would be going into retail I would have kept better records."
Robyn, her daughter, who co-owns the store, raises her eyebrows. "Mum was used to going around the world buying what she fancied, she never thought about price and provenance," she says.
"That's why we've had to have so many pieces valued: mum has no idea what she paid for them. We don't want to charge $1,000 for something worth $5,000."
Perhaps realising that she may have committed a PR gaffe, she adds quickly: "But we've all had to downsize. We have all had to move to smaller houses."
There is downsizing and there is downsizing. Mrs Lay and her husband (she calls him "Kenneth boy") have sold the two Aspen homes and she insists that all the others - save their $8 million penthouse in the elite River Oaks development in Houston - must be sold.
Naturally, however, they are not selling at a loss. One 3,000 square foot house sold for $10 million. The couple bought it 11 years ago for $1.9 million.
BOO...F*****G...HOO
Peter G @ 4:
Most of them are trust fund brats, who never had to work a day in their lives!
You want to really hear some whining? Talk about taxing some of their six(or 7)-figure "disposable" income! These trust fund millionaires will scream as though you were committing the greatest injustice in history. But if your middle class or poor and you lost your job, home, and insurance with no where to go; "shut-up you crybaby!" REAL conservative values at work!
Trust-fund republican = sociopath!
BC @ 14:
I think your an idiot. And the evidence is on my side!
As is evident by the comments in this post - and most of the posts on this site - we ARE a nation of whiners.
And Liberals are the biggest whiners on the planet.
How ironic -whining about being whiners.
harley @ 32:
Anyone with some common sense can tell when we are in a recession. We don't need some government official or pointy headed academic to tell us so!
We have been in a recession for at least two years! The governments definition of a recession is about as useful as the CPI, or the absolutely laughable 5.5% unemployment rate (its at least twice that!) They are a fucking joke!
Anyone outside of the Bush family crony crime syndicate (who stole all the money from the last so-called expansion -the top 5%) can tell you this.
These assholes are just screaming for the guillotine treatment.
Rand @ 105:
Please refer to my Mrs. Ken Lay post. Please refer to any Hannity interview in which each of his talking points, whether about the war, the economy, environmentalism or social programs is rebuked. Please refer to any O'Reilly factor where he is confronted with facts. Please refer to any Mark Levin program where he is confronted with facts. Please refer to any Congressional investigation where Administration hacks are confronted with facts.
Nice try at spinning though.
NoGWBpolicyleftinplace @ 106:
Rand @ 105:
Spoken like a fascist whining imbecile.
Where do people as stupid as you are come from? Honestly?
If you can look at this country and not see how fucked-up things are for 80+ percent of the people, do us all a favor and castrate yourself; so that you cannot contaminate the rest of the population with your clueless stupidity genes!
Rand @ 105:
This folks is why propaganda like this works. The elite idiots on TV say something, then morons like this repeat.
If we were to raise taxes becaue, I don't know, we're trillions in debt (thanks to these same "conservatives" who decided to pass a few tax cuts during war) the "conservatives" wouldn't "whine". They're "conservatives", they have a illogical reaction to tax hikes, even if it makes logical sense. They'd just point out how socialist we are. If we were to do something about the parasitic banks, who do nothing but steal from us we'd be anti-capitalist, they wouldn't complain, they'd just articulate how stupid we are. If we were to complain about the right wing's push for the Iraq War, all the horrors its caused and the negative economic consequences, they'd just tell us we hate freedom or something and they'd explain why THEY aren't the ones fighting, they're too busy making profits off of the war to actually fight it.
So yeah, when you all point out reality you're whining, when conservatives have problems with policy it's something else, and their arguments don't even have to make any logical sense what so ever. That's why being a "conservative" is the tits.
Either Will doesn't know McCain is trying to win an election or he secretly wants Obama to win.
Well what do you expect from a Talking Nazi. Will has a soft spot for this kind of Propaganda.
teknikAL @ 43:
Which is the typical defence, because the US is mostly comprised of whining gas bags with little or nothing coherent to say. In world terms it's a stroppy teenager throwing it's tows out of it's pram because it isn't getting it's oil cheap enough and has never wanted to play nice with the grow ups around the world.
I hope the correction comes swift and hard, wake up the obese self obsessed nation I say.
The bedwetting Relugs just can't stand whiners.
Why are there so many pampered and privileged silver spoon up the ass conservative chickenhawk tough guys like Will making opinion and calling the shots here? I honesty believe the answer is critical to understanding how and why our republic has been derailed.
13) The only reason we aren't technically in a recession (2 straight fiscal/calendar quarters of declining GDP) is because prices are rising more rapidly than we can decrease our spending. Statements like this cannot be seen on your local or national or cable news networks.
As representatives of the Bush administration provide the data that everyone else uses as the basis for determining the state of health of the economy, how it is actually possible to know if we are "technically" in a recession???? If they can LIE about 9/11, WMD in Iraq, wiretapping, etc., etc. etc., why should we believe the numbers they provide to substantiate their point of view about recession??
George Will has been the biggest whiner on Sunday morning TV for a very long time.
He whines about stupid policy shit when it's not going his way, and is condescending to every other commentator that shows up for that panel.
But I'm wondering what qualifies him to discern if Americans are whining due to their low threshold for pain.
Has George suffered the pain of losing his home because a banker swindled him by not disclosing all the facts about the mortgage? Has George suffered the pain of watching his child dying from a curable disease because he couldn't afford medical insurance or care? Has George suffered the pain of deciding whether to buy food for the kids or pay the mortgage this week? Has George suffered the pain of learning that his only son or daughter died in a useless war thousands of miles from home?
Just wondering, George?.
Why do Republicans hate Americans so much?
Greg @ 117:
Greed.
George Will? The guy who wrote that boring-ass book about baseball?
In addition to being fat, sloppy, loud, ill-mannered and extremely stupid....Americans are also whiners.
Yes, America...it's you're God-given right to always pay $1.99 for a gallon of gas.
Quit your crying. The world doesn't want to hear it.
George Will yet again unknowingly shows us he is still the little bookworm boy of his youth. Likely the waterboy or manager of his schools' baseball teams.. I can't see him ever wanting to do the heavy lifting it takes to be an athelete. It's embarassing to watch him on TV as it is apparent to many that he overcomensates with vocabulary his lack of depth intellectually. It is his way of defending himself from smarter people. Just throw out a few seven syllable words and that will stun them long enough to change the subject. He is not a smart man, he has a good vocabulary and a gig but could give a f*ck about the truth. He is not an intellect, he only plays one on TV. Again he spews his ivy league venom all over those he sees as the sub-standard proletatriat classes.
I can have an honest disagreement with Hitchens because he in fact is an intellectual. This George Will putz is just a bookworm. He doesn't have the internal processor to synthesize what he learns by coming up with new ideas ie. he is not a creative thinker (though he wishes he were he is in fact threatened by creative thinkers) a true conservative. George Will is the living embodiment of Burgess Merideth's character in that "Twilight Zone" episode about the bookworm who is the last person on Earth.. isn't he? I mean think about it, can't you see him in that role? What an utter putz this George Will.
Go away you old fool and and play with your baseball cards. Spare us your trite political analysis'.. you are nothing but a shill for the failed idealism of the dead philosophy of conservatism. Make room for the new more mature intellects who actually understand the deep compassionate thinking of Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. You pathetic intellectual wanna-be.
The Truth Hurts @ 120:
I don't know where you're from, but you are obviously from a place that has no fat, sloppy, ill-mannered or extremely stupid people, just a lot of pretentious bastards, eh? I would bet though that you can afford to get sick. Cheers!
dada @ 122:
Boo hoo. Go whine about your problems to someone who gives a damn. I certainly don't.
The Truth Hurts @ 123:
Apparently, your country has at least one ill-mannered person. Cheers!
Tarro @ 7:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
George Will is a mental infant. A draft-dodging, divinity school-attending baseball geek. He represents everything repulsive about the American male.
MountainMan23 @ 16:
Yes...yes, and yes.
Three points to george Will:
1. If I made the big bucks you make for sitting on my duff and pontificating, I wouldn't know a recession if I saw one either.
2. If I made the big bucks you make, I wouldn't be a whiner either.
3. You are a pompous ass...always have been, always will be.
This is why George Will is universally recognized as the king of macho, a man's man, tough as rawhide, chews nails and spits out bullets.
George Will: Every woman wants him, every man wants to be him.
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