FNS: Lie-berman Shills For McCain
By Nicole Belle Saturday Jul 19, 2008 2:00pm
Ah...Holy Joe Lieberman. As reliable as the proverbial broken clock, and just as correct. On FOXNews Sunday, Joe Lieberman played coy on whether he would pull a Zell Miller and appear at the Republican National Convention.
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WALLACE: If you’re asked, will you?
LIEBERMAN: If John asks me, and he thinks I can help him, because I believe this is no ordinary time, no ordinary election, John McCain is no ordinary candidate. I want to help him. I’m not going to go to attack Barack Obama. I’m going to go to explain why I as an Independent Democrat am supporting John McCain, hoping that I can convince other Independents and Democrats to join me in choosing the man who is clearly more ready to be the President America needs today.
Okay, whatever, Joe. I hear words coming out of your mouth, but what do they mean? Independent Democrat? No ordinary election? More ready to be President? That America needs today? Meaningless platitudes, Lie-berman. But none so meaningless as that statement "I'm not going to attack Barack Obama" because it takes nothing for you to start spouting off those RNC-crafted talking points to attack Obama.
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LIEBERMAN: If Barack Obama's policy in Iraq had been implemented, he couldn't be able to be in Iraq today. It's because he was prepared to accept "retreat and defeat" and that would mean today, al Qaeda would be in charge of parts of Iraq, Iranian-backed extremists would be in charge of other parts of Iraq, there'd be civil war and maybe even genocide. And the fact is, we're winning in Iraq today. And you know, you can't choose as Sen. Obama seems to think, to lose in Iraq so you can win in Afghanistan. The reality is if we lost in Iraq-which Obama was prepared to do-we would go to Afghanistan as losers and instead, al Qaeda has its tail tucked between its legs as it's exiting Iraq to go to try to [crosstalk-unintelligible] into Afghanistan.
What color is the sky in your world, Joe? Because I'm pretty sure you're talking from some parallel reality. If Barack Obama's initial policy in Iraq (opposing invasion) would have been implemented, we wouldn't have gone into Iraq at all. His current policy of a measured withdrawal is the one favored by the Iraqi government. So are you saying that listening to the democratic government we propped up helped establish is "retreat and defeat"? And I don't know how to break this to you, Joe, but if we hadn't gone into Iraq, there'd be no opportunity for al Qaeda to establish any foothold in Iraq, much less control a section of it. And the Iranian-backed sector? They're called the Shi'a. They're the ones in charge now that we got rid of the more secular Sunni government of Saddam Hussein, you freakin' idiot. Not to mention there IS a civil war and with more than a million Iraqis dead and 3 million refugees, I'd say there's a genocide going on as well.
But this is what Joe Lieberman thinks is "winning" in Iraq and sending al Qaeda running with "its tail between its legs." Riiigggghtt.
Don't miss where Evan Bayh rightfully shoots down these BizarroWorld talking points with a little injection of reality and both Lieberman and Wallace race to interrrupt and shut him down. Can't let those Fox viewers be informed.
Transcripts below the fold:
Clip 1:
WALLACE: Real quickly, are you going to speak at the Republican Convention?
LIEBERMAN: Uh, I don't know yet.
WALLACE: If you're asked, will you?
LIEBERMAN: If John asks me, and he thinks I can help him, because I believe this is no ordinary time, no ordinary election, John McCain is no ordinary candidate. I want to help him. I'm not going to go to attack Barack Obama. I'm going to go to explain why I as an Independent Democrat am supporting John McCain, hoping that I can convince other Independents and Democrats to join me in choosing the man who is clearly more ready to be the President America needs today.
WALLACE: Even if that means the Senate Democrats would kick you out of their caucus?
LIEBERMAN: Well, I'm following the model of John McCain. I'm going to do what I think is right for the country and not worry about the politics and John McCain is definitely right for the country as our next President.
Clip 2:
LIEBERMAN: If Barack Obama's policy in Iraq had been implemented, he couldn't be able to be in Iraq today. It's because he was prepared to accept "retreat and defeat" and that would mean today, al Qaeda would be in charge of parts of Iraq, Iranian-backed extremists would be in charge of other parts of Iraq, there'd be civil war and maybe even genocide. And the fact is, we're winning in Iraq today. And you know, you can't choose as Sen. Obama seems to think, to lose in Iraq so you can win in Afghanistan. The reality is if we lost in Iraq-which Obama was prepared to do-we would go to Afghanistan as losers and instead, al Qaeda has its tail tucked between its legs as it's exiting Iraq to go to try to [crosstalk-unintelligible] into Afghanistan.
BAYH: I have to respond to that. Barack Obama was not for "losing" in Iraq. Barack didn't want the war to begin with. John McCain opposed surging troops in Afghanistan till last week. [Lieberman interrupts] Joe, excuse me. Was John for losing in Afghanistan? I don't think so. And now you have Maliki, even President Bush, are moving towards Barack Obama's position. His judgment [crosstalk] was right...
WALLACE: Gentleman, I want to...we could continue this...
LIEBERMAN: Bottom line, no question Barack Obama was prepared to lose in Iraq. [crosstalk]
BAYH: That's not true...
LIEBERMAN: Whether it was right or wrong...
WALLACE: Gentleman, you're going to have to agree to disagree. I want to move on to the whole issue of his trip this week...
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Everyday our excuses for being in the Mideast are getting smaller. Poor Lieberman.
Please kick this man out of the Democratic party.
This is what you need to do. Pull the rug right out from under him. Now.
Joe, you hoe 0% credibility. 0.
I wish people would stop saying "BUH BUH JOE LIEBERMAN JUST LIKE A BROKEN CLOCK." It's getting old, and it's wrong.
A broken clock is right twice a day. Lieberman is lucky to be right twice in a month, and that includes combing his hair.
Everyday his excuses for being an "Independent Democrat" get less and less plausible.
lol, should read "have" not "hoe" although thats teh funneh.
I hope Droopy Dog does get kicked out of the democratic caucus. It's enough already with Joe. He's held the democrats hostage by being on the fence and it's time he just throws that 'D' away for an 'R'. What a tool he is.
WALLACE: Gentleman, [I know Bayh just showed that Lieberman is blatantly incorrect, but] you’re [, and our core audience,] going to have to agree to disagree [and leave final interpretation on the frames of right vs left, rather than correct vs incorrect, conclusion]. I want to move on to the whole issue of his trip this week [because I don't want people to realize Lieberman was wrong]…
honuman @ 6:
The Ct. RNC threw their support behind him instead of their own candidate.
cv @ 4:
What is an independent democrat?
Yo Joe! Go to "their" convention, you are not welcome at "ours"!
could joe's about face have anything to do with keeping jobs in New London?
Joe, could you please tell us what winning in Iraq looks like? Chris? Anyone?
Just as I thought. Crickets.
Man is he tone deaf.
Does he have some seat on the Carlylse board lined up or something?
And if Gore had prevailed in the legal battle of 2000, would Joe be running for President as a Republican right now?
The chinese have just taken over wikipedia!!!
Either that or the zodiac, this is huge!
That we live in a world where the guy who corrected McCain's gaff about Iranian extremists can still claim that Sunni Al Qaeda terrorists can take over a country run by a majority of Shi'ites makes me violently ill.
The US media, with Fox News leading the way, is little more than a Shakespearean tragedy.
LIEberman's a swarmy snake in the grass. What is this "we" shit. "We" is big oil. This was not America's war from the start. It was Bush's war and big oil's war win or lose. We are paying record prices at the pump, big oil's profits are at an all time high, and 2 oil men in the White House lied America into a war for big oil we are paying for with our tax dollars, lives and treasure while they rake in record profits at our expense and swarmy low life scum bags pols like LIEberman keep say "we" like it's our war. It's not our war, it never was our war, and the sooner we get out the better and if the shit hits the fan put the blame at the feet of whom it belongs, the Republicans and Joe LIEberman. It's their war, not ours.
the chinese have taken over wikipedia!!!
Lieberman is a traitor to his own religion, and should not be taken seriously.
You guys might find this one funny. Apparently "the brown-haired guy who is not Steve Doocy" told one of his Fox and Friends co-anchors that David Beckham was "gorgeous." For once, a shout out should go to Steve Doocy (for not throwing Kilmeade a life preserver).
http://gawker.com/5026414/fox-news-anchor-is-totally-gay-for-david-beckham
I know I sure get sick and tired of the ranting of Lieberman for his reasons for supporting McCain. Let's face it, there is only one reason to be for the Iraq war. Personal gain! When you see all the neocons who were drolling over the prospects of the Iraqian Oil Supply, and how many years they searched for a way to get to it. When you now look at who profitted over all these years at war in Iraq, you see more profit that was gained by a group of people closely connected to the right. Halliburton, KBR and don't forget Blackwater. This is such a major cash cow, it has to be killing them to realize the Bush years are hopefully about to wind down. What are all these mercenaries going to do now? Oh my!!! Even better. whatever is Joe Lieberman going to do?
Obama can effectively pre-empt any Zell-outs by having Chuck Hegel and Colin Powell speak at the DNC Convention. It's obvious both are gonna endorse him at some point anyway, so they might as well do it at the convention.
“I’m going to do what I think is right for the country and not worry about the politics…”
Exhibit “A” proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that Lieberman is, in fact, a liar.
Wake up please America. You are being swindled by both these parties. Rethugs try to brainwash into this War on Terra involving Iraqistan, Afghanistan, and Iranistan. Democratic leaders try to brainwash you into this War on Terra being won by sending thousands more troops into Afghanistan and killing more innocent people there, instead of Iraqistan. Then hey, maybe the troops will invade Pakistan, cuz the Democratic leaders are saying that is where that famous ghost Osama Bin Hidin' really is with his huge band of less than 300 terrorists.
And you people are falling for it hook, line and sinker. You know what doesn't work? Elect them first, then they'll change into what you want. THAT does not work. Won't work if McGrampa Insane is elected, won't work if the second coming of JFK is elected.
With Bush, I feared for the globe, but at least everyone knew what those crazy motherf*&^ers would do. NOBODY knows what Obama or McGrampa will do, except continue on with basically the same damn policies as the idiot they are replacing. They don't say he "shouldn't" have did what he has, they say he did it wrong.
I find it hard to believe that the repubs like him, he's an embarassment to all parties and all Americans. A traitorous, two faced wimp. If he appears at the RN convention there will be plenty of right wingers seeing this as a negative, which it is.
Joe Tseng @ 24:
That's why.
Phil Gramm's true reason for resigning from McCain's campaign could lead to the scandal that ends up killing John McCain's candidacy. If Cindy and or John McCain have monies deposited in the USB AG Liechtenstein Bank, it's likely they'll be investigated for tax evasion. Maybe Romney is willing to be VP because he smells blood in the water.
http://www.slate.com/id/2194933/
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24042054-643,00.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5378080&...
Why is this same winning/losing in Iraq debate still going on?
Why are the same questions being asked, 5 years later?
The military is exhausted, the price of oil has tripled, 4000 US troops are dead, 25,000 maimed and another 100,000 or so traumatized, $1 trillion (and counting) has been pissed away, the US national debt has doubled, the US dollar has crashed in value against the Euro and most other currencies, the economy teeters on the edge of the worst recession in 30 years, a 2-front war threatens to become a 3-front disaster, US consumers have transferred 100s of $billions in bloated energy costs (in mostly borrowed money) to the coffers of the Saudis (the guys who committed 9/11 - remember?) and Iran, US foreign policy is a total mess -
- and dinosaurs like Lieberman, who seems fine with this collection of disasters and scandals, are still asked the same pointless questions about whether the US is "winning" in Iraq.
They might as well be asking him about Bill Clinton's blowjobs and Monica's blue dress. It's about as meaningful.
Where are the hard questions about the huge and growing consequences of the war? Not just from Fox - from anyone?
osage @ 26:
VERY interesting.
I'm getting tired of waiting for a Dem to come out and tell the truth about the real "success" of THE SURGE. The violence is down because neighborhoods are split by religious faction and then surrounded by walls. The two groups are being bribed not to attack each other. This doesn't always work if the check gets lost in the mail. No one is paying attention to the refugee camps. Angelina Jolie showed up at one and the only coverage it got was on Olberman. Unfortunately it was in the last five minutes of his show and they spent more time making fun of her than covering the tragic conditions of the camps. If separation of the populace is the only way to succeed, then the entire mission is a failure. Why is it that only Amy Goodman covers stuff like this.........and where the HELL is Michael Ware?
'No Ordinary Time' is the title of the Doris Goodwin's Pulitzer prize winning biography of Franklin & Elanor Roosevelt during WW2.
Loserman is still a member of the Senate Democrat Caucus. He is still a chair of a large and influential Senate Committee. He is STILL an intimate in the day-to-day working and processes of the soi-disant "Democrat" Party.
I bet he has a password that grants him access to useful information--to the Pukes. He's a mole. Somebody needs to accidentally slam his hands in a car door, and set him typing with a stick tied to his forehead...
The longer his treacheries are allowed to continue, the more convincing become those critics who hold (horrors) that there is just no difference between the two parties, if a high-ranking member of one of them is hobnobbing with the candidate for president of the other one.
there will be no hard questions from the msm because they are benefiting from all this bullshit.
Don’t miss where Evan Bayh rightfully shoots down these BizarroWorld talking points ...
so, what's with jake tapper? why didn't he mention any of that in this piece?:
Lieberman: Obama's Iraq Trip Only Possible Because of McCain
Spoken like a true, well established, very good acting traitor. A spy. What is the usual punishment for spying in the everyday world?
You don't give a rats a** who actually pays you your paycheck every week. It's just a given in your book. As long as it get's bigger, and better yet, tax free.
P.O.S.
osage @ 26:
i've heard alittle about this you may be correct gramm
dropping......now i'm going to beg/plead that mccain somehow is on that list.......this should make big media
exposure just because of the culture we live in cheating
and the UnFair Advantage
His must be a parallel universe.
This doesn't represent the truth on this planet.
Ahhhhhhh! LIE-berman!! He doesn't care about the truth.
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Dont you just hate it when democrats do not know "pivot and attack"?
Why anyone from either party would listen to this festering boil of shiite is beyond comprehension. He will say anything, or do anything to try and stay relevant. The people of Connecticut should be ashamed of their votes for him!
He is right when he says this is no ordinary time. That the candidate that he is supporting wants to give us four more years of debacle wars, no rule of law, and a deteriorating economy. I hate to say this but the world is better off with him and the whole bunch and I don't care how it happens. In the long run my innocent lives will be saved.
Joey will speak up and support Johnny because they are both as old as dirt.
Annoyed Canuck @ 27:
Doesn't matter what we consider "victory" or "defeat" the Iraqis have already lost far too much in this.
Trittydi @ 36:
but he does care about......AIPAC
Just listening to Lieberman shows him more credit than he's due. He and McCain must be each others only best friend. Where are all the big shot Republicans and why aren't they showing up on these shows cheering for McCain? Lindsey Graham only seems to be in the game to help Lieberman tend to McCain's needs and fix his screw ups.
osage @ 26:
It's amazing how little US press this issue is receiving. The rich never want to pay taxes but they do want their government handouts. Now if this was a story about a welfare mom driving a new Cadillac, well, we would never hear the end of it.
constituent @ 42:
Might as well give this fuck-rag Israeli citizenship so he can stop pretending to be yet another traitorous dual-citizen Israeli firster piece-o-shit that cares nothing about the United States of America.
Lie-berman is the lowest form of opportunistic political parasite found in the sewer.
Unreal, I still can't get over the fact that LIEberman was Gore's VP pick. What happened to him? Has he been drinking Kool-Aid or huffing glue?
I would PAY MONEY to see Barack knock Holy Joe's lights out.
displeased @ 48:
it could be be done barack will do anything for a buck!
Lieberman's political career is on it's last legs.
He says "I’m going to do what I think is right for the country and not worry about the politics." Sounds noble, but here's the translation:
"I've got no future with the Democrats. With McCain in office, I might add four years to what I have left. It's not a safe bet, but it's the only one I've got."
Sorry, forgot to close the "bold" command.
Clearly Joe Leiberman is determined to lose in Afghanistan and the wider middle east as he supports a permanent occupation of Iraq.
Ach du Lieberman
Ach du Lieber, Lieberman!
Since you are a holy man,
Why run independently,
When you can join the GOP?
It’s the perfect haven
For your type of maven:
The sanctimonious squirt
Who wears religion on his shirt
Champions with intensity,
All captains of industry
Feigns to rise above political mud
And fearlessly wages war, with others' blood.
Jeez, could traitor Joe have spouted any more of those cute little repub-lickan phrases like "retreat and defeat"? I'm surprised he
didn't use "stay the course" or any of those timeless classics....what a complete asshole. Once again,the people of Connecticut should be very proud that they voted for this loser ..
The party of Christofascism, bigotry, war, corruption and greed loosing more ground in this year's senate races. http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cr_20080716_3253.php
Not a question of gaining senate seats but of how many so it's countdown to being able to kick LIEberman's backstabbing ass to the minority party curb.
A pox on Connecticut for releasing this steaming pile of turd on the world.
The name tells the whole stor LIE-berman it is like Karl Rove(TURD BLOSSUM) the name fits.
quint @ 2:
We cannot do that, unfortunately. If we did, the republicans would gain control of the Senate. Even though Lieberman votes with the republicans, in national defense matters, he will vote with the Democrats on most environmental and social issues. But more importantly, the republicans would take over leadership in all of the committees. For now, he is best left where he is.
SO sorry but I should have added this to the last post. LIE-bermans sock-puppet, HARRY REID said for all you people to leave JOE LIE-berman Alone. Just leave JOEY alone now. Or he will OH I don't know go cry in some cornner, maby I hope.
After Lieberman lost the Democratic primary to Lamont, you would think the people of Connecticut would be smarter than to actually buy his label of "Independent Democrat." I know he won b/c GOPhers voted for him. I also know Democrats have needed him for caucus reasons. If nothing else, Joe is why we need to elect more Democrats to the Senate so that he is totally ostracized by the Dems, he won't do the GOPhers any good, and let him sit by himself in the Senate cafeteria to eat his bolony sandwich all alone.
This man should never, ever be allowed any kind of notice as a vote-getter or "we need his vote." He needs to be absolutely demolished in the Senate.
He's sold out the Democrats. He's not in the Senate to help his state. He's in the Senate just to make himself look good.
I cannot, in anyway, describe the contempt I feel for this "man."
Brokaw you idiot take note, Gore referred to what politics has become not what it always was, and always will be. Gore's comments can serve as a call to action to young people not a discouragment of involvement.
bill doh @ 9:
I thought I heard him throw that one out, or was it Brokaw, a number of times.
Joe won in Connecticut because the majority voted
him in. Bush is president because he too lost the vote.
Yeah, Yeah, Gore was robbed & should have won. Ask
the gun nut morons in Tenn, why Bush won Gore's state?
A win there would have wone the election for Gore but
the public had spoken. Blame yourselves for the horrible
state of the union. Can't fool the American voter & the moon
is made of cheese.
bill doh @ 9:
A Republican
Joe Liar Man is a non-entity but just hasn't figured it out yet. He is on FAUX NOIZ as much as Hannity and Bill Orally.
Piren @ 12:
I suspect they know what you and I know. That we in fact aren't winning in Iraq because there's nothing to win in Iraq, except oil.
In that respect, then only Big Oil is winning. And that's probably what Lieberman really means when he says "we're winning".
"I believe this is no ordinary time, no ordinary election," Well Uncle Joe at least you got that part right. It is going to be an extraordinary election. However, we are going to need some very extraordinary leadership from the White House AND the Congress, if we are to begin to clean up the Bush-Cheney-Retuglican disaster. We have the bad luck to live in interesting times. By interesting I mean failure in the so called war on terror, nearsightedness in our energy policy, crumbling infrastructure, a health care crisis and spectacularly bad economic policies. It is going to take 50 years to clean up this mess! We are going to need real leadership and real substantive changes in all levels to make a dent this national to do list.
John McCain and his ilk, including many Democrats, will pursue old ideas that will give us the same old tired results. The results will be continued failure to provide real solutions to desperate problems. The American people are going to have to stand up and vote. Then the really long and difficult process will begin. We are going to have to demand our leaders deliver the solutions we need. We need leadership, not politics. Good luck to us all, we are going to need it.
What was Miss SissyJoe about to do? Jump on Mr. Evan Bayh???
Lieberman is a disgrace. I can't believe how he characterized Obama with respects to Iraq -- "he is for defeat in Iraq." What was he thinking -- that is the most baseless accusation anyone could make!
I think Evan Bayh's did pretty good -- especially when he went after Lieberman about the "for defeat" comment.
After the exchange, Bayh was interviewed by CNN where he elaborated about his exchange with Lieberman during the Fox interview. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rccc6Zgfqyk.
What do you all think?
MS @ 66:
Sad but true...
General_Rennenkampf @ 18:
No, he's not. He's getting all the good, pstriotic, Evangelical Christians in America to lay down their lives to preserve his real home state, Israel
Why did Connecticut elect a senator for the state of Israel anyway? Don't they need representation up there?
Amitola @ 71:
Neocon Jews like Lieberman are in bed with Christians like Hagee who believe they (the Jews) are going to burn in hell for not accepting Jesus as their savior. Souless Jews like Lieberman will sell out everything, including their faith for war, money, power and more war. Getting in bed with Chrisitan haters who would damn them to hell is something they have no problem with so long as they can start an oil war for somebody else's kids to fight. A souless coward with no morals or principles, that's Holy Joe.
swampfox @ 49:
Great point!! Unlike ANYONE in this administration,who would sell their mother to make a buck...
Ruthless People @ 73:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=b-ttnadMKf0
bill doh @ 9:
A political prostitute with a broken moral compass.
bill doh @ 9:
One that gets kicked out of the party by his state's primary voters but continues to caucus with the party in a continued attempt to undermine it from within.
Independent democrat? Is that another term for a whiner? That ME ME ME whining phase has gone on before this politician started elementary school. He's not a democrat or a republican, he's an emotional 4 year old.
Vomit.
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But for the evil spoiling behavior of the sinister Ralph Nader, this kind and gentle man would now be running for president with the full and enthusiastic support of all right-thinking Democrats.
Yes, but for the evil of Ralph Nader, so it would be.
Liebermna is with McCain because he is a Jew. I have nothing against Jewish people (they are very smart), but everybody knows that Iran is a threat to Israel, and the neo-Cons from the Republican party have no doubts about bombing Iran (leaving the problem in Obama's hand), because it will take them a long time to rebuild. Same thing with Iraq. Has anybody heard a Jew complaining about the invasion? and they have tons of lobbyest in the White House.
I'm sure he isn't on every week, but it sure does seem like it.
Every time I look up there he is looking like he's going to cry.
I wonder what kind of prescriptions he's on because even in
2000 he was the saddest looking politicians next to the guy
Al Frankin's running against. I guess when the Mossad
has ya by the balls ya have to play bally with them.
And they want Rahm Emanuel as speaker?
Behold the traitor...to himself, his party and his country.
I guess he can always run for the Knesset.
J** Lieberman should be "brought to justice" for war crimes against humanity, just like our former ally Saddam Hussein!
Lieberquisling should thank his lucky stars that I don't have Harry Reid's position. It would be ugly. Very ugly.
he's not going to speak. he really revealed himself in that comment. he knows full well that McCain will lose, and when he does, Joe will use the fact that he didn't speak to remain in the Democratic Caucus. at least he thinks that will play out. he's now begun to cover his bases.
Anybody notice that the trolls who always come out in force to defend Bush or any other Republican pol no matter how vile are missing in action when it comes to Lie-berman. Me thinks they don't really like him much either. They'll take his help but they'll never consider him to be one of them; as soon as he is no longer useful to the right Joe will have ZERO friends in this country.
Yup, Obama wants the US military to lose in Iraq. In fact, losing in Iraq means the boys and girls in uniform get to go home. THAT'S the fact that LIEberman doesn't want anyone to know.
Bringing the troops home = Losing
Staying in Iraq indefinitely = Winning
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