The Bells of St Mary's refutes Gov. Palin's Pledge of Allegiance/Founding Fathers claim
By John Amato Monday Sep 01, 2008 11:00am
Gov. Sarah Palin thinks the Founding Fathers wrote the Pledge of Allegiance---including the phrase 'under God'. No, really. The Christian Right has made this a huge talking point for their cause, but they never tell you that it was never part of the original pledge. I've had this clip of the pledge from the 1945 movie The Bells of St Mary's sitting on my servers for a long time and finally found a good use for it. Notice---there is no "under God" in it.
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From an Eagle Forum Candidate Questionnaire:
Q: Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?
PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
The phrase was added in 1954.
Is she ready to fight Bing Crosby and Ingrid Bergman too? Here's the full questionnaire. Have some fun.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
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Yeah and if the King's English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me...
Honestly if Jesus walked down a fundy's street, they'd call the cops. When will they stop with the insular and stupid?
She's republican and clueless, what a surprise.
The reason conservatives think government is incompetent is because they are incompetent at governing.
If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me...
Slavery?
Genocide?
Marginalizing women?
Child Labor?
Capital Punishment?
Lynching?
If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, its good enough for me...
And the original was from eighteen-ninety-something, right?
But hey, just because you don't know anything ABOUT America doesn't mean you can't love her, right?
Ignorance, hypocrisy and dissonance are just three of the many hallmarks of conservatives and Republicans.
Also I hope when the time comes during debates and interviews the MSM harps on her lack of knowledge about this like they did with Obama's flag pin.
Dumb as a box of rocks.
And, a rebel too. Free Alaska Now!
lol
Once again, a member of the Religious Reich trying to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats and proving by doing so that they are unfit to hold office in a country that supposedly includes freedom and equality for all, not just fundamentalist christians.
If this woman gets in office watch more public tax dollars redirected to religious special interests instead of for the good of all.
Ah, the old "good enough for ..." argument. What is it with Governors? Didn't a Texas Gov. once say "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me?"
Does the the total buffonery of this party ever cease? Clearly, Palin's showing her lack of education and even knowledge of history of this country here. And THIS is whom we desire to be a "heartbeat away from pulling the switch on Armeggadon"?? Yipes, stripes! This is becoming a national security issue for every american in this country. This is the "american nightmare" but will be great script for a coming movie. Let's keep it in the "fiction" genre, please! Let's say: "No thank you" to Palin and McPappy.
Each time Palin opens her mouth, she makes more of a buffoon of herself and her ignorance. Her acceptance speech reminded me of her accepting the Presidency of the PTA of the local high school in Wasilla - a speech made by moms all over this country. I guess that qualifies them to be Veep, too?
Palin's past is becoming the GOP's worst nightmare. Not only is she embroiled in serious abuses of power and potential corruption by association (and taking campaign money), we now find that she is the "queen of pork" as well. Oops, there goes another one of McShame's platforms - kerplunk!
"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."
Dan Quayle, 8/11/89
These people must really be from Mars.
The Pledge itself wasn't written until 1892. I think the founding fathers were all dead by then.
From Wikipedia:
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist, and the cousin of Socialist Utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850-1898). Bellamy's original "Pledge of Allegiance" was published in the September 8th issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's discovery of America, conceived by James B. Upham.
Bellamy's original Pledge read, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Following your link: Click on Alaska Forum's link to http://www.palinforgovernor.com/ and it takes you right to Mccain.com. That memory hole construction crew is FAST!
Attacking Sarah Palin's qualifications to be president is an insult to all women, of all ages, everywhere, in all walks of life, no matter what their height, weight, hair or eye color, or nationality.
It is so sexist. I'm sure Hillary (only slightly less qualified than Palin) will soon rally to defend the traitors and cowards who are criticizing Sarah "GanjaGurl" Palin.
aw, man..she's just one fuckin' idiot in a party full of 'em. big deal.
sharkcellar @ 2:
Hey it's not limited to American 'patriots'..
Do you think German neo-nazi skinheads sit around reading Kant and Hegel all day, you know, actually promoting the culture they feel is so 'threatened'?
Damn straight they don't.
Does Palin have her highschool diploma?
Awww,...Churcy's confused.
The more I hear about Palin the more I believe she will say ANYTHING that will further her own self interests, even if the statements are idiotic.
She was part of the AIP, she lied about the bridge to nowhere, she fought the "big boys" yet she supported Ted Stevens, she doesn't believe in abortion, abstinence only and yet her daughter is an unwed teenager, she believes in family but seems to run all over the country while her special needs baby is WHERE? and the list just keeps growing.
John McCain's judgment in this, his first move towards presidency, needs to be closely evaluated by voters.
McCain's camp of corruption is saying that it's "offensive" for americans to know what his running mate is all about. Hell, it's DERELECTION OF DUTY for us to NOT delve into it all. Obviously, he was incapable of handling the job.
What this points up is McCain's serious psychological handicaps which have rendered him "unfit to lead". The first quality of a leader is his ability for sound, rational judgment. McCain's level of capriciousness and recklessness is only superseded by his immense ego and total break with reality. This he can legitimately attribute to his POW days (daze). This is perhaps the ONLY thing which is realistically attributed to it - his total lack of sound judgment, impaired psychological state and recklessness (how about crashing another plane, Johnny boy??).
can't wait for the VP debate (if she lasts that long)
why do we need a movie to refute the assinine statement?
the pledge is a socialist prayer
under god was added because we were afraid of the godless commies
the end
who iw really triggers mama
fishnuts @ 8:
Hey that reminds me...during the years that the repubs had made up a "red scare" around the commies coming in through Latin America, my father used to say, "if the commies take over Texas, they have to promise not to give it back."
Ditto if Alaska secedes.
It's the War on Facts. The War on Intelligence.
The level of ignorance in this country is frightening, and the propagation of this ignorance by the media is why we are fast becoming the dumbest bastards on the planet.
Hey, John.
I've been having trouble all weeks with C&L. Just made a post, twice, to this thread, but neither one showed up.
Any idea what might be happening? Repug trolls doing something?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you on the mouse organ 'The Bells of St Mary's'.
This is right up there with the people that claim, "God helps those who helps themselves" is out of the Bible.... I believe it was ol' Benji Franklin that said it in Poor Richards Almanac.
God really needs to work on his recruits. Being the almighty and what-not, you figured they would be a pretty sharp bunch.
Bobby McGill
http://idlewordship.com
Well, that last one got through....let's try it again!
Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.
Dan Quayle, 8/11/89
These people are from Mars!
It doesn't seem to matter what the Rethugs do... Obama is breaking away in all the latest polls...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/01/opinion/polls/main4405106.shtml
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_electi...
Obama's numbers are well beyond the margin of error and rising fast. The Palin gambit doesn't seem to be having much effect.
sharkcellar @ 2:
For the 1,287, 445th time...
The Republicans aren't stupid.
They have gotten away with the greatest robbery in world history.
They will never be held accountable.
This whole Palin thing is a construct of Rove.
She has grabbed the headlines and made the Dems attack a woman right after the Convention.
It is pure genius.
Palin possesses the intellect of a potted plant .................
Guv Sarah knows nothing about our founding fathers. They were NOT overtly religious. They may have gone to church, but they were not zealots. This person plans on swearing an oath to uphold and protect the laws of a country she knows nothing about. When I learned the Pledge, I was a very young child, and the words "Under God" had not yet been added. Imagine my confusion a couple of years later when they mysteriously showed up.
The Plrdge of Allengiance was writen in 1892 by a Christian Socialist named Francis Bellamy. There was no "Under God," in it he wanted it to be very short, under fifteen seconds.
bluegal @ 1:
Actually, they'd pepper spray him a couple of times, club him with a baton, zip tie his hands, throw him into the wagon and charge him with enciting a riot while handing him a religious tract asking "are you going to heaven?"
Oh, come on guys, no fair! Don't let simple little things like facts get in the way.
P.S. Can someone be a "patriot" if they advocated leaving the USA? Just trying to use some of that famous Repuglican logic.....
oh really @ 14:
I think you need to qualify that statement, missy! I reject your notion that every woman of any age is qualified to be vice president. You trivialize the dire consequences of having an unqualified person in the job. Quit trying to imply that Hillary is Palin. SARAH PALIN IS NO HILLARY CLINTON. Get that straight. She isn't qualified to shine the shoes of Hillary. She's a disgrace to the women's rights movement (of which you do not subscribe, but....beep...thanks for playing, troll!).
YOU make a mockery of the women's rights movement with such ignorant, nonsensical (illiterate) composition on this thread. YOU definitely DO NOT represent contemporary, educated women by any stretch of the imagination with your commentary. In fact, your comments set women in this country back one hundred years. Get a life and stop identifying with the fat, uneducated woman's "pain body"! Get up on your own two feet and recognize what's going on around you.
And, whatever you do, never imply that your narrow-minded, biased, uneducated and limited perception of woman expresses the views of contemporary, progressive women. Go back under the rock from which you crawled.
oh really @ 15:
Give it a rest concern troll... the "Palin-PUMA" gambit has failed... so go sell it elsewhere!
The Founding Fathers, for the most part, were Deists. They are the ones who proposed freedom of religion. They did not write the pleadge of alligence.
Washington, in all of his many writings, almost never mentioned the words God or Messiah or Christ.
The right has obviously been studying some other nation's history.
Ms Palin,
How about taking a lesson from PORKY PIG?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP05-CRGTKg
Arthur Ewing @ 27:
It's the flute.....the flute....the skin flute! I guess that could be defined as a mouth organ, too....good one!
I was wondering what the hell she was doing with her thin lips when she paused between reading her script. The right side of her mouth kept doing this ridiculous looking thing repeatedly. She was getting ready to blow the flute, wasn't she?
The latest bs is that if she can raise five children she can surely be president. I swear I have heard this several times from supposedly intelligent people on tv. So any woman out there who has raised five children should be qualified and complaining about why they were not asked to be on McCain's ticket.
I bet deep down inside, McCain is pissed. I bet he wishes to hell he had gone with his gut rather than allow the extreme right wing of his party to force him into a choosing someone who is like a daily dynamite keg.
Gidget goes to Washington. The episode everyone missed until now.
I tried to look at questionnaire, but the link leads to McCain's website...weird.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
Another great place to hear the Pledge of Allegiance - prior to "Under God" is in the Andy Hardy films with Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney
Somebody up there mention "commies???"
"Your Commie has no regard for human life, not even of his own. For this reason men, I want to impress upon you the need for extreme watchfulness. The enemy may come individually, or in strength. He may even appear in the form of our own troops. But however we must stop him."
General Jack D. Ripper, "Dr. Strangelove...." 1964
The commies will be coming....through Alaska!!!!!
Rasputin @ 37:
Amen....and we can be sure that this is definitely NOT a woman composing this comment. That's patently clear.
THE ONLY THING THE FOUNDING FATHERS HAD THAT WAS WORTH A DAMN...
that would be The Founding Mothers
McCain * Palin 08 - A Bridge To Nowhere
I'll grant her this, she was born AFTER 1954, so that snippet has been in the pledge all of HER life. Such things make it easy to believe that something has always been a certain way.
Unless one has the intellectual curiosity to question what one knows.
But the guy who wrote the original Pledge only died in the 1930's so that also undermines the whole founding fathers argument too.
Just Google: History pledge
Sarah Palin is the deadliest catch.
Dreading @ 42:
The Repthugs are quick at scrubbing things and putting up their own propaganda. I guess they're really concerned since Palin had a link to Obama (whom she admired) on her site just last month. Nice try, scumbags!
Also, Mrs. Palin (the mother in law) loves to listen to Obama and, even with her DIL(do) on the ticket, is still unsure how she will vote. No that tells us something huge.
LegallyBlonde @ 22:
Despite the fact that it SHOULD be, the debate won't be the slam dunk you think it'll be. She'll play the victim/outraged indignation/hurt that you could mention her family OR use her words against her card, big time, because Biden's a big ol meanie and she's just a sweet ol thing thats just tryin to do right and how dare he beat up on a lady. She'll disarm all the moderators and Biden by daring them to look like they are piling on a little lady.
Rasputin @ 30:
I think it's having an effect. Just not a positive one for McCain.
Gustav might have one too. Nice to see that NOLA wasn't hit so bad. So the world got a strong reminder of Katrina and Bush never got a shot to show off. OTOH, they did manage to get Bush and Cheney off the RNC speakers list. But hey - there's always more.. today they've got Lieberman. That'll be fun to watch. I wonder how many boos he's going to get.
Beelzebud @ 49:
Amen, amen! That will be the title of the next bestseller.
"Fight in defense of the the Pledge of Allegiance"? From what? Evil atheists? How about the defending the Constitution instead which is under real serious threat right now thanks to Palins party.
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The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power
August 12th, 2008
PLEASE, listen to the interview...
http://www.writersvoice.net/2008/08/the-secret-fundamentalism-at-the-hea...
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Alexdem @ 54:
The repscum used Gustav as a photo op - nothing more and it backfired in their sorry faces. They used Palin in the hope of getting the female vote and that is backfiring in their faces. By the end of next week, it will be Palin who?? McCain who?? It's over and they know it.
Rasputin @ 30:
Bear in mind a 10 point post convention bounce is considered normal.
Wow.
Great video, John.
Gonna use this
So when Al Gore is misquoted, the Republicans gleefully throw that in our faces at every turn.
When their sweet lil' hockey mom doesn't know that 'under God' was added in the 1950's to a pledge written in the 1800's rather than by our Founding Fathers, and we even glance sideways at her, we're being mean and unfair.
Well, apparently Ms. Palin was not aware of the 1954 inclusion of the under god phrase into the pledge, she's wasn't aware her 17 year old daughter was ahem... foolin around and gettin into shananigans... I imagine she's only now realizing that abstinence education doesn't always work as advertised...and her daughter can probably varify that.. Yep, she sounds about ready to me... I don't know what for, but she's definitely ready for her closeup for somethin... She might be prettier than Dan Quayle, and she definitely a girl, not a boy, but looks like thats about where the differences end...JD
Palin also claims that the constitution defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the constitution says this.
"Not on your life"? Who writes that way?
Obama knows that juvenile personal attacks on his opponents and their families aren't going to help him get elected. Sure would be nice if some of his supporters would get with the program. ;)
Filthy Harry @ 53:
They might try it. I don't think it'll work. It sure didn't for Dan Quayle (if someone remembers his 'hurt' reaction to Berndsen's famous 'no Jack Kennedy' retort). Justified or not, people don't want a victim for their Vice-President! And I think the whole 'little old lady' spiel is unlikely to fly. The Republicans have been shitting all over Hillary for fifteen years now with vicious, disgusting, personal attacks. And making justifications for them. I can't see them getting away with a 180 reversal.
One nation under someone called Adam or Eve and a talking snake.
The reptiles are in lockstep.
why do these retarded stupid people have so much pull?
postal1 wrote:
" . . . but their eyes betray the truth."
Dead right.
I noticed that the other day with Palin's smiling face, cheerleading sparkle and all that,
but the eyes . . . .
Those are eyes which have seen things that human beings are not supposed to see.
They come as a free gift when you sell your soul.
Definitely not from Disneyland . . . .
peaceful easy feeling @ 65:
Obama knows that juvenile personal attacks on his opponents and their families aren't going to help him get elected. Sure would be nice if some of his supporters would get with the program. ;)
I disagree. It is wise and correct that Obama and his campaign take a hands-off approach to this issue. The electorate and the media should be all over it.
General Jack D. Ripper @ 12:
A classic!
At least Palin knows that Russia is Alaska's neighbor.
Rethugs ARE getting more smarterer...
I can't believe that McCain had all this time to choose a VP and this is the best he could come up with?!
Remember when everyone was saying how McCain had a huge advantage over the Dems because he wrapped up his nom early while the Dems were still slugging it out in the primaries? How did that work out him?
What does this say about the Republican Party in general when McCain had about six months to pick candidate and he waits till about two days before the the RNC and then picks a loser.
Talk about fumbling on the one yard line.
Alexdem @ 66:
Mrs. Palin is no Dan Quayle. She's a lady and there will be a difference and the McCain campaign is counting on it. You just watch. If Biden and the moderators rough her up, validly, it'll help her out MORE than if she actually was capable.
MBuckley @ 13:
That's the way I learned it and, when absolutely required to repeat it, that's how I still say it. For instance, when I was teaching school, and it was required to repeat the pledge in the first period, that was the version I repeated and required my students to repeat...Yeah, i caught a little flack for it. Fuckk 'em!
My fave so far is her rant on behalf of the Alaskan secessionists party.
Seriously did no one so much as make a call about this chick before they made her the vp candidate? So far she's hilarious and an excellent distraction but beyond that... ?
Was the intention to distract from the mcsame's many failings? Because it's worked so far but eventually people will stop laughing long enough to take a good look at her and then they're going to realize the reslug ticket isn't just a road to disaster it's a rocket sled to hell.
McBush really picked a real brainless, inexperienced Reslug.
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Sarah "Bridge to Nowhere" Palin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA7WrCipkck
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"it was good enough for the Founding Fathers"
oiy.
Someone get the lady a History book there weren't any founders named Ike.
rend @ 68:
Misery loves company.
Perhaps she meant the 'Founding Fathers of ALASKA'
Cause you know, Alaska is it's own country.... or it should be.
We should round up those little God-less commies before they burn our flags our freedoms and our assault rifles.
sophya @ 11:
This is no nightmare for the GOP. This is the stuff that got a Republican elected president in 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, and 2004. Unfortunately, the average American identifies with this stuff.
John W @ 72:
They say he REALLY wanted Tom Ridge or Loserman, but the RNC shut that down, and wouldn't consider anyone who was not Anti-Choice...
...and I'm old enough to remember the year we went back to school...and BAM!...there it was. We had said it every morning since I'd started school...one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I hear this crap constantly from the right...cluelessness is next to godliness...
"The Government of the United States of America Is Not, in Any Sense, Founded on the Christian Religion"
Treaty with Tripoli
the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.
Someone should mention the above to Ms Palin and watch her fly into an apoplectic rage..........
Let's face it. Repugs don't like really smart women. They like the submissive, vacant types. Ala, Cindy McCain. They also don't like woman talking back. That's why McCain's picking Palin is disturbing. We all know Lieberman will be in the backround forming policy. Shudder!
WOW, how stupid is Miss Ruby Ridge anyway? I remember vividly saying the pledge of allegiance in it's original version and I remember vividly when "under God" was added. 1954.
Filthy Harry @ 73:
Come on.. when did we ever see that with Hillary?
fastfeat @ 79:
Naw. It's because stupid, retarded, functionally illiterate, cretinous, moronic, goid-blighted dipshits are the fucking MAJORITY in this poor, backwards, asshole of a country...
fastfeat:
Rethugs ARE getting more smarterer...
Fine, but is they learning ?
Nada @ 75:
Yes I agree in the long run this is her biggest potential problem. If the MSM gets the slogan of the founder of the AIP (“I’m not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions?“) to stick to Mrs. Palin, she'll be a lot of trouble for McCain.
sophya @ 11:
For a brief moment I thought you were describing George W Bush..
Just found out Palin tried to ban certain library books which she didn't like the language. Guess Palin is a certified book-burner.
Filthy Harry @ 59:
Actually Gallup says a Five Point bounce is the norm.... not 10.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109702/Conventions-Typically-Result-FivePoint...
Founding Fathers,..gimme a friggin' break,...
McCaint Remember @ 80:
And, as Cheney has proven, the VP is it's own branch of government, maybe she should just run for Vice President of Alaska.
Define shallow: A beauty queen.
P.D. @ 93:
Only during those 2-3 months when snow isn't on the ground.
As a retired History teacher and a Korean vet, I am not surprised because the Gov. doesn't know what she's talking about. After all, education is being dumbed down in order to have a society of know nothings which will believe anything they are told by the government. By the way there was no "under God" in the pledge when I enlisted in the Army.
Why with a BS degree she has no idea about what the founding fathers did or did she have a different group of founding fathers?
just questions
Oh. My. I'm 33 and have an art history degree and even I knew the founding fathers didn't write the Pledge of Allegiance and that the "under God" was added later. Holy cripes.
Alexdem @ 88:
We're not talking about Hillary. We're talking about Palin, the McCain campaign and the RNC, and that is how they run their business. Its just an extension of Giuliani using 9/11 over and over, McCain using being a POW over and over. Dems run on issues and their solutions to those issues. Republicans run on rhetoric, contrived emotion and manipulation.
You really don't see them taking advantage of the sight of big old Biden verbally making mincemeat of pretty little Sarah Palin?
Obama is correct in saying that Bristol Palin's pregnancy is not a campaign issue, nor is it particularly newsworthy.
However, among the voters, it's a perfectly valid topic as we consider the
character of a vice-presidential candidate. Sarah Palin has placed herself in the public eye, and that affects her legal status in regards to libel, slander, and even satirical portrayals in the media.
Leadership @ 4:
Yeah, she's probably good with all of this based on what I've read about her so far... stepford wife with a personal agenda... pure gold in the republican sense of the word...
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AIP and Secessionist Sarah...
From AIP's front page...
http://www.akip.org/index.html
ALASKA FIRST!
Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives.
The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences.
Now, read about Sarah...
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/1/4231/18477/878/581881
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she's shallow. an intellectual lightweight. typical republican.
Why is Porky Pig trying to make Palin look bad?
Rasputin @ 94:
Unbelievable.
Also turns out she and her husband, Todd, were members of the Alaskan
Independence Party, whose motto is "Alaska First - Alaska Always." Palin
quit the party in 1996 in order to run for mayor of Wasilla. The Alaskan
Independence Party pushes for secession from the U.S. But wait, it gets
better.....
Joe Vogler, founder of the AIP, was murdered and at his request was buried
in Yukon, Canada because he didn't want to be buried under the American flag
and the AIP website features this quote from Vogler, (leader of a Party the
Palins belonged to for many years):
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned
institutions."
Palin withdrawal in 10....9....8....7...
The bottom line is that McCain/Palin does not represent America. Watch this Obama ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcRA2AZsR2Q
"I don't want a nation just for me, I want a nation for everybody."
This country wants to change, and I can see it.
It is painfully obvious that McBush and Caribou Barbie are a step backwards.
Although I hate giving away my age, I remember when I had to get accustomed to adding the "under God" phrase to the pledge back in 1954.
Campaign memo to Governor Palin: If you don't know what you are talking about, read up or shut up.
Filthy Harry @ 101:
No doubt they will try to spin it that way but Obama and Biden just finished campaigning against a woman and being with her in debates. Biden performed remarkably well in those debates and has his way of giving you that Cheshire cat grin while he calmly rips the face off his opponent... you can bank on that as one of the strongest reasons that Biden was chosen for VP (not the only one mind you).
.......Filthy Harry 72 said: Mrs. Palin is no Dan Quayle. She’s a lady and there will be a difference and the McCain campaign is counting on it. You just watch. If Biden and the moderators rough her up, validly, it’ll help her out MORE than if she actually was capable.......
Joe Biden will run circles around Palin to make sure the American people see how stupid and unqualified she really is. For the sake of our country, he's not going to cut her any slack, believe me. We have had enough of people with her mentality imposing their rules and opinions on us.
To the Looney Left, American values ended with the Eisenhower era. A Leave It To Beaver mentality where the only thing we "god fearing" Americans had to worry about was Commies using the Bomb. That is why everyone one who opposes them is either called, hippies or left-wing radicals who "HATE" America. A good use of an ignorant argument that plays well with an ignorant constituency.
C'mon. Give her a break. Palin, like Alaska, spends most of her time in the dark.
As a kid, I used to recite the pledge, listen to a reading from the KJV of the Bible and recite the Lord's Prayer.
The pledge DID NOT have the words 'Under God" in it. When I have pointed this out to people, they say I 'just don't remember."
I've tried to point out that a significant number of the founding fathers were not Christian, but Deists who intended our country to be secular, not Christian. My listeners are aghast at my heresy.
It doesn't matter to fundamentalists, because history is what Pastor Billy Bob Joe says it is.
Founding fathers?
It was written in 1892! We were well past our first centennial by then! Do they not bother to teach history up there in west red-neck Alaska? The idea of forcing anyone to Pledge to something - anything would have sent our founders out to look for torches and pitchforks, let alone the idea of having someone Pledge to 'God'. This doesn't even account for the fact that 'Under God' was put in by an act of Congress in the 50's.
Then of course there's the prohibition in the Bible that forbids Christians from making Oaths to God. How can we trust her if she doesn't even obey her own bible?
Matthew 5:34
But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven for it is God's throne; nor by the earth for it is his footstool.
James 5:12
But above all things, brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
Will you support the right of parents to opt out their children from curricula, books, classes, or surveys, which parents consider privacy-invading or offensive to their religion or conscience?
SP: Yes. Parents should have the ultimate control over what their children are taught.
Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?
SP: Yes, explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support.
Will you support efforts to raise or lower the mandatory age of education? Why or why not?
SP: No, again, parents know better than government what is best for their children.
SP: Oh and BTW. My 17-year old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant.
So, if you get a journalism degree from the University of Idaho you apparently don't learn anything about history or science. Ms. Palin believes creationism should be taught in school.
On a side note, I have several conservative friends who believe her decision to leave her very young special needs child to pursue her own interests does not speak well of her values and morals. Some have even said it tipped them over the edge and they are now for Obama. So, this could backfire on McCain on many levels.
To the Looney Left, American values ended with the Eisenhower era. A Leave It To Beaver mentality where the only thing we “god fearing” Americans had to worry about was Commies using the Bomb. That is why everyone one who opposes them is either called, hippies or left-wing radicals who “HATE” America. A good use of an ignorant argument that plays well with an ignorant constituency.
Duck and Cover!
seriously, this is not just mccain's fault, plain should have also thought about putting her family under intense scrutiny before signing into the ticket. she has a lot of family issues. today pictures of her 17 year old daughter with different kinds of liquor products are floating all over the internet. seems like her ambition got the better of her.
Filthy Harry @ 107:
This is a no-win issue.
The Repugs will turn it into the usual "war on Christmas" the flag, or whatever.
The historical facts are not fulfilling the 'truthiness' that the social conservatives care about.
Better to discuss her ethics and judgement on other issues.
Notice—there is no “under God” in it. -JA
and yet, there is nothing missing...
Rasputin @ 111:
Yes but Biden and Obama campaigned against a woman who had the dignity to not TRY to use the 'i'm just a lil lady' routine*. Palin will. I think in this country, they way a large majority view these things, Tall, elderly, gravitas Biden making verbal short-work of a lady will make him look bad. Note I'm not saying its right, I'm just calling it like I think it'll be. I think its one of the reasons McCain chose Palin.
* One could make the argument that when Hillary cried before New Hampshire she did indeed actually try the gambit and its possible it was affective since after losing Iowa and being down in the polls in NH, she won.
Caribou Barbie......LOL. That's excellent.
I CAN'T BELIVE LIBERAL HOLYWOOD EDITED G_D OUT OF THE PLEDGE!!!
/spellcheck-challenged capslock trolling
What really worries me about Palin is her environmental policies (especially in regards to drilling in the ANWR). Given the state of our environment these days I think it is evermore important for us, as consumers to support 'green businesses' that benefit the environment. For example, http://www.simplestop.net stops your postal junk mail and benefits the environment.
I'm Australian and even I knew that "under God" wasn't in the original text.
Fanon @ 118:
A Vice President who believes that the Flintstones is a documentary? Sure... sign us all up for that one!
StirFry @ 109:
As a caribou, I resent that remark.
Palin's type will shoot anything that moves under the philosophy that God gave man dominion over the Earth, so we can kill, clear-cut, strip mine and pave water we want.
MCMetal @ 85:
or away on her broom a la the wicked witch of the west from the wizard of oz... I'm starting to see more and more similarities from that movie (the original one) with the republican party and the Bu$h white house in particular. Rove is definitely the leader of the flyin' monkeys! Uuuuggh!!
Filthy Harry @ 101:
Oh they might try to. I conceded that. I'm just doubtful it'd work. Guess we'll find out.
I can't be too sure. My judgement is pretty good, but my blind spot comes from tending to over-estimate other people. Still better than being a cynic I suppose :)
Fanon @ 118:
Yes to run for Vice President of the United States at a time when her daughter and her newborn son needs their mother the most strikes me as very strange. Country first, family second?
Kathy in St. louis @ 110:
I think I was in the 3rd or 4th grade.
Alexdem @ 88:
I can't believe the brain dead reslugs would trot out a trained poodle in drag and think it would be enough to make anyone, let alone Hillary supporters, forget the proud Lioness they had supported for presidential candidate.
If they think this woman is any kind of a hillary substitute, they're a lot dumber than I have ever imagined.
She is a Religious Right Republican. She is, therefore, uninformed and stupid. next.
ALSO . . . THE 'UNDER GOD' PHRASE IS
O P T I O N A L ---
WHICH IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT THOSE PUSHING IT DON'T LIKE
TO MENTION!!!
Centrocitta @ 112:
My point is that the dynamic of Biden verbally humiliating Palin (an easy task) will make Biden look bad for beating up on a lady. The more stupid he makes her look the more sympathetic she'll appear. Since when do the majority of Americans care about intelligent positions on issues? Remember Americans like to think we know how to treat a lady, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Will she continue to 'cc' her husband on all correspondence when she is VP?
The Red State spin is that she was referring only to the phrase "under god" as having come from the founding fathers - she was defending that, not the Pledge of Allegiance. Of course, if you read her entire statement, that's nonsense, because she was pretty explicit, but it's enough for them. BTW, I leave out the "under god" part, too, when I say it.
This makes it clearer than ever that either Obama wins or we are clearly on a swiftly speeding decline into an America that our founding fathers would seriously have a problem with.
That aside, it's the API stuff (combined with the "safari hunting" of wolves from the air and non-protection of polar bears) that I find most telling.
Hey, wake up people! It doesn't matter if she knows history or is informed on anything that's going on in the world. Every time she says one of these dumb things she shows the base that she's "one of us". All you "smart people" who parade your useless knowledge about the Founding Fathers and that you know how to multiply fractions and all that stuff, We'll GET YOU on election day! Just see how much good all your smarty-pants knowledge does for you then!
So they will take a few hundred thousand rust collar voted by taking on Palin for a while. Drop her and then McCain will pull Lieberman in to pull in the right wing radical Israeli firster votes (well McCain) all ready had those. So who will McCain take on after Pallin drops out. Will it be Lieberman or Romney who drop in?
Splendid One @ 140:
http://www.defendersactionfund.org/
Here is a letter that was send out by the defenders of wildlife action fund.
Centrocitta @ 112:
I'm with you on this! I'm fed up with idiots demanding that I become like them. No fuckin' way, ever!!
Filthy Harry @ 124:
Hillary's tears in NH helped to dispel the "Self concerned Bitch" label, but Hillary's base were drawn to her because she was the best policy wonk to come down the path for ages!
Hillary's women supporters are insulted by McCain's pandering and that he would think that just because she is a woman that they would automatically vote for her despite the fact that she is on the opposite side of the issues that Hillary espoused by 180 degrees.
The polls do show Obama increasing his margin substantially with women and independents and bounce or no bounce... those demographics segments were effected big time.
Clabber Grrl @ 141:
This is very true. People like Palin are proud of their stupidity, but vicious if you think they're smarter than they are.
.......115 Yellowdog says: The pledge DID NOT have the words ‘Under God” in it. When I have pointed this out to people, they say I ‘just don’t remember.”......
In addition to "under God" being added to the pledge of allegiance, two other significant events which affected all Americans happened in 1954.
It was the end of segregation in the public schools. Black children were taken out of their own schools and integrated with whites.
It was also the year that every American child in the second grade became a guinea pig for the first Polio Salk vaccine.
Fanon @ 139:
nope, she'l bcc him!
I was in High-School when the god part was added. I had been in the USA for just two years. People back then weren't that happy about it then either. When I was taking class' on citizenship they stuck it in.
Dale @ 146:
.......but vicious if you think YOU'RE smarter than they are.
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