Senior Republicans Question McCain's Judgment
The London Times' US editor, Gerard Baker - as reliable a Republican booster as it is possible to find - reports that senior GOP greyhairs are worried.
While Republican delegates here rave about Sarah Palin, and angrily denounce the salubrious media coverage of her daughter’s pregnancy, a number of the party’s elders are in a state of high anxiety.
... Some Republicans are plainly upset that in an election campaign which Senator McCain himself has said turns on the central issue of national security, he has chosen someone as a potential successor in a crisis who, whatever her other talents, has no background in international affairs.
One senior Republican, a former Bush Administration official, described himself to me this week as “personally disgusted” by the selection, one that betrayed a desire by Mr McCain for short-term political gain at the expense of the national interest - wholly counter to the senator’s message hitherto.
But the bigger worry among many Republicans here is not that Mrs Palin might win in November, and prove to be ill-equipped to lead the nation should she have to after next January, but that she might lose; that the cascading revelations about her will bring down the McCain campaign.
At issue is the judgment and attention shown by the McCain campaign in selecting her.
Quote of the day:
As David Frum, a former speechwriter for President Bush, put it during a discussion here about the campaign: “When someone takes the rent money and puts it on black at the roulette table, and it comes up black, we don’t say “Wow! What a terrific piece of judgment."
And when it comes up on Red 13? Well, then, you try to make the election about personalities. Or to be more precise, carefully groomed public personas. Because let's face it, little we know about the true personalities of Gambler McAngry or Sarah The Book-Banning Theocrat will endear them to the electorate.
Oh, the polar bears again?.. this is becoming like rudy's 911 or McCains POW... Everytime you want to bum someone out about the repuglicans you show a picture of a polar bear.
Why would anyone with political savvy be taken in by McCain's "message": it's been clear from the start that his campaign is about nothing more than doing whatever it takes to get McCain elected—period!
Tim @ 1:
Well telling them the truth about their party wasn't working, and showing over 4000 American coffins is illegal, so it is either pictures of polar bears or Sarah Palin at a book burning.
"At least [she] don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt."
I love this. Republicans can't decide if they're more afraid of winning or losing.
Who says the politics of fear always works?
america's latest choice is to ignore all the bad results of republican judgement and to vote for republicans?
what is it with these clowns?
Dems should run with this 'gambler' McCain theme. They can start introducing stories about how his campaign can't pull him away from the tables and that the Palin pick is but one manifestation of a coming trend if he is Prez. Who knows? Maybe we can start a rumor that this is why he was late for his 'cone of silence'? He couldn't pull himself away from the tables....
Do we really want a gambler getting his gambling rocks off with real life decisions?...
I like how republicans now claim Karl Rove was totally wrong about Tim Kaine of Virginia.
They should make a commercial showing the republicans flip-flop on this issue.
Can anyone name one command decision Sarah Palin has made?
Sad thing is, in this day and age being vocal about wanting to ban books, teach Creationism in public schools, and forbid abortion under any circumstances will likely help more than hurt one's chances. Who here honestly believes the average idiot American really cares about upholding the Constitution more than their own personal religious/social values? Look who we've had in office for nearly two full terms.
http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/must-see-tv-gop-consultants-on.html
Actually, you can't since recklessness is a major personality trait (defect). You have to just try to change the subject and start feeding people more myths and gobbledygook. That's all McCain has had from the get go: no issues and a legend-in-his-own-mind image that they've been trying to sell to the electorate. The real summation of the McCain campaign is "hey voter, want to buy a bridge?".
Excellent post. It gets right to the heart of the matter and it's evident Republican insiders are well aware of it, just like Noonan and Moody when they were caught off guard by an open mic expressing their derision about the selection of Palin.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 5:
That's the plan! They're gonna fix what they fucked if they get re-elected. And if you believe THAT, well...
Anonymous Source @ 8:
I care that Americans uphold their Constitution and its amendments. But then again I am Canadian I expect people to be smarter than a peanut.
I love the photo of the baby polar bears that Palin wants off the Endangered Species Act. As a member of Earthjustice I am trying to get them to release some infomation of Palin aerially hunting both moose and wolves. She has also suggested killing wolf pups in their dens. Some hard hitting photos and information on how she would steward "Gods creations" quickly going extinct in her domain might sway some of those enchanted with her "regular" hockey mom life. Is anyone else tired of "regular" (translate=dumb)evangelical people running our country? Don't we want the smartest kid in the room leading our school in competition with the other schools?
Ted Stevens wasn't available?
Tim @ 1:
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Memorial_vigils.vp.html How about pictures of Arlington West?
polar bears? polar bears?!
THEY'RE GODLESS KILLING MACHINES!!
"Maverick"? Try RECKLESS
As a progressive woman, I am the first to confirm that this country is still a patriarchal country so it doesn't shock me that the elders of the Republican party are very worried about our national security. Clearly, McCain's lack of sound judgment should have every american very, very worried about the future of this country.
When one factors in the high probability that Candidate McCain has perhaps the highest probability of death since he is in stage 2A/3 out of 4 stages of an incurable cancer, then the position of Veep becomes hyper-critical and this is precisely where our national security will be in question. Don't think for a moment that other world powers would like nothing more than to know that every time McCain goes for a biopsy (which he just recently did, BTW) and must have routine visits with his oncologist as well - that the entire country will not be on pins and needles and ripe for takeover. Imagine Sarah Palin getting any respect from the military when she is put into the position of POTUS when McCain is undergoing chemo. Folks, according to medical experts (not McSame's docs because he's instructed them not to talk to anyone - a medical "gag order") they will all tell you the same - or google Invasive Melanoma or McCain's cancer for yourself. This should scare the bejesus out of you. It's not curable and has a 55% probability of recurrence with a life expectancy of 10 years - that is if it truly is Stage 2A. Many medical oncologists dispute this fact and suggest that, by the radical nature of his surgery in 2000 where literally half of the side of his face was removed along with lymph nodes, this is really a Stage 3 Melanoma. He's already had 4 malignancies removed.
Back in 2000, McCain supplied 1400 pages of medical documentation. To date, he has supplied zero about the condition of his melanoma. He's fooling no one. Since his radical removal of the malignancy occurred in 2000 with a prognosis of 65% / 10 years and this is year #8, the statistical probability of Sarah Palin assuming the leadership of this country becomes a statistical certainty.
We owe ourselves more than this. This has become a matter of national security and should be not taken lightly by any american. Palin's national security experienc is zero - remember that. Just like Monica Goodling who was unqualified to hire and fire attorneys for the DOJ, this is just as toxic and predictable. The future of this democracy is at stake during this election and if McSame and Palin get in, we're officially doomed.
Phylter @ 12:
well, if anyone believes that, I have a bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell!
Don From Canada @ 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HexL0tU8wE4 More Arlington West
Could a U.S. citizen enlighten one from afar re your rules? If the Republican convention endorses John and Sarah and then, next week, God forbid, John dies...what then? Is Sarah automatically the Republican nominee for president? Can she then appoint whomever she wants as her V.P.?
John McCain - Gambling Away America's Future.
John McSame - Same ole/same ole reckless decision making.
John McFlubadub - All about personalities. Hate to tell him that he's now trivializing the significance of our entire election process to a beauty pageant and Miss Congeniality. What a sick, twisted, antiquated douchebag.
Running with your metaphor: The roulette wheel didn't come up red and it didn't come up black. It came up double-zero and everybody loses their bets.
I couldn't even begin to express my disgust with Frum (smart fella or not) but that's a pretty apt quote in them thar hills.
“When someone takes the rent money and puts it on black at the roulette table, and it comes up black, we don’t say “Wow! What a terrific piece of judgment.”
Even the Republicans know the Republicans are absolutely full of crap and that a big portion of the electorate is on to them?
How ironic.
Palin actually sued the Bush Adminstration for putting polar bears on the endangered species list because it would limit oil drilling. Didn't she lie on day one about Todd being a "commercial fisherman" when, in fact, he works for an oil company?
Now the plot thickens (and McCain gags the media just in time) to realize the connection between Abramoff and Palin via Silver. It has everything to do with black gold, Alaskan Tea! The truth is coming out to a newspaper near you whether Johnny McGambler likes it or not.
sophya @ 19:
Extremely important points. Thank you. I wasn't aware of the prognosis of 8 years ago.
Gary @ 24:
Uhm, Gary, it's not like there need to be two players at the roulette table placing opposing bets. It's each and every person- who chooses to gamble- against the house.
Oh Noes is right!
Maybe if we are lucky the Republican party might actually implode completely before Nov sparing the country from the party exploding in a factional war after.
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McCain the Liar @ 7:
To make sure the ONLY discussion she had with Bristol revolved around the fact that she should never be sexually active until marriage. Major command decision, to tell a teenager and her boyfriend (whose hormones are raging OTT!) that ABSTINENCE ONLY is the wisest course of action to take related to...ssshhhh...sex.
As far as bears are concerned, Oh Noes is right!
L.A. Confidential @ 26:
LA: The party "line" (of bull$hit) has been to remain united in their promotion of Palin. Now that her ties to corruption are surfacing, watch them all take the dive. They're just putting on a false front for the convention and the media hype. Newscasters' professional careers and personal credibility is at stake here. I've noticed that just in the past day, commentators are beginning to play up the lies, the contradictions, and the chinks in the McCain/Palin armor. They'll soon realize that the people know when they're being defrauded and, if they're overtly helping to defraud us like they knowingly did with the Iraq War lies, it's curtains for them. As it is, CNN has been outed by the left and their viewership is descending like the Titanic. Campbell Brown shot her career into the commode during the Democratic National Convention and now she and the Gambler are playing out this game in the media as though he's angry at her. This couldn't be farther from the truth. It's a total sham. Campbell Brown's Republicanism has shown and now she's trying to back peddle and change her tune. Not buying it for a minute.
The kiss of death is what the Gambler just brought on with his "no comment" attitude toward the media. We know that the media considers themselves to be the "kingmakers" so this will not play well with them and we will now see them all turn on him and Palin. Pop the popcorn!
sophya @ 23:
Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the 4 jets McCain CRASHED and the airline carrier he blew up? He was 2nd to last in graduation the Naval Academy and I am sure his name had more to do with his graduation than his grades, sobriety or attendance.
Reckless it is. Gambling it is. Good thing is that rumor has it he loses frequently in blackjack.
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didnt you?
Peopled call, say, beware doll, you're bound to fall
You thought they were all kiddin you
http://tinyurl.com/65ndfx
amilius @ 32:
It is also here on C&L in a prior thread, transcribed.
The only question now about tonight is...Two-piece or bikini?
Sophya @ 23 I tried to "quote" you & screwed up. My comment comes after douchebag. My apologies. At least no one will die.
Republicans know that McCain doesn't have a hope in hell of winning. And nobody semi-qualified for the position of VP wants to be hitched to a losing candidate.
The Palin choice makes perfect sense once you realize that they are not planning on winning this one.
sophya @ 19:
mcMelanoma will take us all to the gates of hell with him. Putin has already announced that he's had enough of the Brezinski/Neocon doctrine of encircling Russia and squeezing the oil market. so when McBombIran gets the reins, IF GWB HASN'T ALREADY STARTED BOMBING IRAN OR CONSCRIPTED ISRAEL TO DO SO, we can look forward to "other wars". If we think we can carpet bomb all of russia, there's already a problem.
someone should be paying attention to how easily they overwhelmed American forces in Georgia.(don't be fooled, they killed americans training and advising the 'georgian' army(i.e., american-sponsored and armed).
These people are surprised at the revealing of their true colors?
sophya @ 27:
where's the link?
CMINCA @ 28:
You're welcome. Just google: John McCain's invasive melanoma and you will see that contemporary oncologists are weighing in on whether it was a Stage 2A or a Stage 3 - and that's out of only 4 - 4 being almost immediate death.
As well, it needs to be noted in the press that even if it is as his gaggle of gag-ordered docs are saying and it's a Stage 2A, look at that prognosis and stat - 65% achieve 10 years. They also note that the recurrence factor is extremely high and likely that the disease will continue to metastasize.
When you do the math - he was dx's 10 years ago (2000) with a prognosis of living 10 years (only 65% do) then we're nearing the end of that time period right now. Essentially, this medical statistic does not give the Gambler 4 years - simply l-2. This brings up all probability theories about him being sidlined by chemotherapy for weeks or months from mets of this incurable, very invasive melanoma.
I don't know about you but I'm not willing to bet the future of this country on a woman who was selected during a political pissing contest, are you? She was selected "to spite" Karl Rove and George Bush.
If that isn't reckless derelection of duty and shirking of professional responsibility by McSame, then I don't know what is.
Discount Vetting & Taco Stand
http://www.youtube.com/user/Election08
Must see -- it's well done!
Cheers!
i don't hear the comeback that mccain does NOT have
executive experience........when obama's experience is challenged when asking about palin's experience.
Palin's previous church the Wasilla 'Assembly of God' has purged its website of the sermons list,
I followed a correct link from HuffPo and it was 404 time.
And Google mysteriously has nothing, and the Wayback machine stopped archiving them in 2006, the time she became governor.
Its amazing how unreliable and patchy the internet (becomes) when certain people and orgs are researched.
Smitty @ 36:
Add to that the highly known exit interview he had to have for PTSD with his shrink who warned him never to fly again. What did the Gambler do? He immediately went to his local airport, rented a small craft, and crashed that one,too. He's impetuous and lacks rational thought processes.
Yes, I believe it is time for his derelection of duty upon the USS Forestal to be aired. It's long overdue. Actually, George Bush used it to blackmail McCain in the primaries of 2000 and had him toting water for him during that campaign.
Again, goggle - USS Forestal disaster and you will see that John McCain and Admiral McCain (his father who was Head of Naval Operations) mounted guns left over from WW 2 on inadeuate gun mounts resulting in the total destruction of that vessel and the death of 132 of the crew.
We can go on and on about McCain's capricious and irresponsible decisions and I do hope this stuff is brought to the fore by conscientious reporters hoping to introduce the country to the many gaffes of John McMaverick/Sidekick/Gambler.
So, here's an idea for these senior Republicans who are really miffed: Don't vote for the McBrain's Failin' ticket.
Vote for Bob Barr. Or another conservative third party candidate. Of course that means you'll lose, but you don't really want to win this one. Seriously, you know your ticket sucks. You even know it's dangerous. And you also know that Barack Obama isn't the ultra-left liberal you'd gladly call him if you really liked your candidate. Obama is a centrist, and really isn't going to do you any damage. We're not going to have universal health care, and the military industrial complex isn't going to come to a sudden end, thereby ruining your ability to make all sorts of money of the suffering of others. You really have nothing to fear.
Except your own ticket. So, hey. Teach your party a lesson. Show them that if a candidate goes off the rails like this, you really will vote for the other side.
And hey. If worse comes to worse, you can always check to see if Obama does something impeachable . . . maybe he has a foot fetish or something. You're not above impeaching him for that.
Salubrious (meaning favorable to or promoting health or well-being)? Perhaps Mr. Gerard Baker meant salacious. I do wish these pompous blowhards would at least learn their own language.
McCain actually crashed 5 plans due to errors in judgment. Let me get the Forestal link for you. BRB
TrooperGate: "Palin Aide Ducks State Probe. Aide's Lawyer Cancels Deposition, Questions Legislature's Jurisdiction." More of the Same Cover-ups!
It's getting messier and messier. the elders are correct.
sophya @ 52:
do you think he was hotdogging it when he was shot down?
Helena Montana @ 51:
vocabulary has never been a republican strong point.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 48:
The internet somewhat exists outside our indoctrination's reference framework. I don't know how much longer that's going to last before the system swallows it.
Epinnoia @ 41:
My thoughts exactly. Then in 2012 they will blame everything on democrats. Let's hope to get enough of a majority in the congress and the senate that we will be able to fix enough things that people will realize who is the better leaders.
L.A. Confidential @ 37:
yecccchhhh!!!!!!
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 58:
Pretty grim sight isn't it?
Dear Greyhairs,
There is something that you should take a moment to understand; something that I would like to share with you. John Sydney McCain IS giving you the big Fuck You finger. I'm glad we had this little talk. I hope you feel somewhat less burdened because of it. I do.
Sincerely,
jimmiraybob in the Heartland
"She's a wonderful person who kin' handle the job"
Famous last words
Marvin @ 46:
Outstanding :)
and so true, WcCain's bunch of
wankersjokers thought or were mislead about FBI checks on the twenty possible runners for the VP slot, sadly for them the FBI doesnt do vetting for political orgs, ONLY for gov depts.So they missed Palin's current trouble with the Alaskan Senate and its investigation of her ethics lapse, and possible impeachment and impending jail time.
But she got an interview the day before the announcement, so alls hunky dory in GOP land, until the world and its dog did a quick google search and found out what the pros didnt find out.
The average Gopper couldn't find a tart in a
brothelbakery, but we know not many actually like tarts, donuts are more their thing...One very very interesting article in the ADN, concerns Palin's hacking of a colleagues PC, supposedly at the behest of Alaska's assistant AG, I have always thought that search warrants were only issued by judges !!!! not by partisan political lawyers.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/03/opinion/oe-harris3
When average isn’t good enough
She’s not qualified to be president, and in picking her, McCain shows that he has little respect for the presidency.
By Sam Harris
September 03, 2008 in print edition A-21
So let us ask the question that should be on the mind of every thinking person in the world at this moment: If John McCain becomes the 44th president of the United States, what are the odds that a blood clot or falling object will make Sarah Palin the 45th?
The actuarial tables on the Social Security Administration website suggest that there is a better than 10% chance that McCain will die during his first term in office. Needless to say, the Reaper’s scything only grows more insistent thereafter. Should President McCain survive his first term and get elected to a second, there is a 27% chance that Palin will become the first female U.S. president by 2015. If we take into account McCain’s medical history and the pressures of the presidency, the odds probably increase considerably that this bright-eyed Alaskan will become the most powerful woman in history.
As many people have noted, placing Palin on the ticket has made these final months of the already overlong 2008 campaign much more interesting. Is Palin remotely qualified to be president of the United States? No. But that’s precisely what is so interesting. McCain not only has thrown all sensible concerns about good governance aside merely to pander to a sliver of female and masses of conservative Christian voters, he has turned this period of American history into an episode of high-stakes reality television: Don’t look now, but our cousin Sarah just became leader of the free world! Tune in next week and watch her get sassy with Pakistan!
Americans have an unhealthy desire to see average people promoted to positions of great authority. No one wants an average neurosurgeon or even an average carpenter, but when it comes time to vest a man or woman with more power and responsibility than any person has held in human history, Americans say they want a regular guy, someone just like themselves. President Bush kept his edge on the “Who would you like to have a beer with?” poll question in 2004, and won reelection.
This is one of the many points at which narcissism becomes indistinguishable from masochism. Let me put it plainly: If you want someone just like you to be president of the United States, or even vice president, you deserve whatever dysfunctional society you get. You deserve to be poor, to see the environment despoiled, to watch your children receive a fourth-rate education and to suffer as this country wages – and loses – both necessary and unnecessary wars.
McCain has so little respect for the presidency of the United States that he is willing to put the girl next door (soon, too, to be a grandma) into office beside him. He has so little respect for the average American voter that he thinks this reckless and cynical ploy will work.
And it might. Palin’s nomination has clearly excited Christian conservatives, and it may entice a few million gender-obsessed fans of Hillary Clinton to vote entirely on the basis of chromosomes. Throw in a few million more average Americans who will just love how the nice lady smiles, and 2009 could be a very interesting year.
Tune in next week and watch cousin Sarah fuss with our nuclear arsenal … .
Sam Harris is a founder of the Reason Project and the author of “The End of Faith” and “Letter to a Christian Nation.”
Vic @ 22:
Wow, good question. I don't know the answer, but I'm reasonably certain it would be handled by the GOP rather than the federal government. A candidate is just a choice of the party he or she is affiliated with.
President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia said Tuesday that he no longer recognized Mikheil Saakashvili as the president of Georgia, calling him “a political corpse” in his most lacerating words to date about a government Moscow wants to force from power.
Maybe Palin would do better as a Bush installed Puppet over there.
Funny that they called hillary a lesbian who actually murdered people in the WH and now its all about civility in politics? Kooks to the last man.
Marvin @ 46:
I saw this on DailyKos. Thanks for posting it. Its great!!!
Just tossing this out there. If Sarah Palin is the best person for the job, if after the convention something (God forbid) happens to McCain, does that mean that all the R's will rally round her and try to elect her for president? That is what they want the rest of the country to believe.
Check out the video clip that accompanies the Sam Harris article CMINCA quotes, at RichardDawkins.net:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,3068,Palin-average-isnt-good-enough,Sa...
Sarah Palin wants people to pray for a pipeline gets built and brings money to the state, and believes that Jesus will give the people in the room the power to see into the future.
WE CAN'T HAVE THIS WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!
Sarah Palin as POTUS is something straight out of Hollywood, wanna bet she would pick Hagee as her VP.
Then welcome to the world of the 'Handmaidens Tale 2009'
Ron @ 57:
they will start blaming democrats immediately after the election! the markets are teetering. oil is poised to rise enough to destroy the economy. there are no regulatory safeguards on the commodoties exchanges, so the costs of goods will be driven through the roof. some of the 100+ banks teetering on failure may indeed fail, requiring government (FDIC, FSLIC) funds.
It will get very, very, VERY ugly AND IT ALL WILL BE BLAMED ON THE DEMOCRATS.
bubba @ 66:
Both Lumpy Rash and WcCain both called Chelsea rude names or made nasty jokes about her.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 71:
want to see which banks are likely to go down ?
I know a place (website) to check on the liquidity health of them :)
CMINCA @ 63:
Tell it like it is!!!
Sarah Palin was chosen by Crash McCain to be his VP on August 29, 2008.
Five days later, on September 3, 2008, she has not yet been made available to the media for a press conference and there is no press conference scheduled.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/09/9522_palin_media_al...
If she can’t answer questions for herself, then she is not qualified to be VP.
Of course they are right.
The problem for McCain/wtf? is that they are declaring war on the media. They want that fight so they are pretending that a tabloid coverage represents the media as a whole. But the media wont take that lying down. Those are professionals who will get pissy right back. It's happening today.
If you send out partisans to fight with interviewers, you just look like a bunch of angry people.
Marvin @ 46:
Totally funny and probably true. definitely a must-see
AmericanInsurgent @ 74:
echoes of times past
sophya @ 52:
sophya, we've got to form a 527 and get this on the air. I am researching for photos & have a friend in the AF. Follow the reckless with photos (some were saved by posters on
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/) of Palin hunting aerially wolves and lobbying FOR "bridge to nowhere" and keeping the money when public opinion waned for it. She lead the PAC for Stevens now under indictment.
Right there with the reference to Kay Bailey Hutchinson you can see why McCain's attempt to draw Hillary voters hasn't worked.
Hillary drew on all age groups but her most staunch and loyal supporters were older women and now they see very experienced older women like Hutchinson or the Washington outsider Fiorina... both highly accomplished being thrown over for a younger less experienced woman who just happens to be a babe... hmmm... older women thrown over for younger babe... something familiar about that.
And those older women are the most reliable voter blocks in elections.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 73:
Thanks! Unfortunately, I have followed that topic, but you should post them for the masses(it's probably more up-to-date).
Check your or any bank out here
liquidity rating
jill @ 18:
I like reckless. Loose cannon works too.
ferrofluid (Obama + Biden = 2008) @ 48:
I had the same problem - everything was taken down - wonder why???
Try this link to ICH - the video isn't a sermon, but a "speech" Palin made to the congregants in June of this year.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20672.htm
Smitty @ 78:
I do believe they still built the road to nowhere, which connects to the phantom bridge, or where it stands in somebodys imagination.
Otherwise they would have had to pay back the Federal money.
I was just reading sophya@19...
Scary stuff...
Especially to know that Ms Palin could very well be asked to fill the shoes of POTUS!
I just have to ask myself (and Ms Palin)...
If McCain is elected and then succumbs to his cancer and dies
Will YOU, as then Commander in Chief Palin, have any objections to a large contingency of us disillusioned Americans moving up to Alaska, joining your AIP, and seceding from the Union?
It's your vision for Alaska to secede from the Union isn't it?
Maybe we can move right into your house since you will be living in Cheney's "undisclosed location" bunker!
Back to the Ghost Dance
Rasputin @ 79:
It's not like we expected the republicans, especially mcSame, to actually think before deciding. I think this is McKeatingFive's political version of "the surge".
Rasputin @ 80:
No woman in her right mind (granted, that may exclude the right-wing, gelical nutcases) would ever vote for McCain/Palin - especially, any woman who was really gung-ho for Hillary. Palin's whole stchick is 180 degrees opposite of what Hillary has stood for all these years.
Amitola @ 84:
watched this this morning.
I did a post here on C&L with the links and IA results with details and cache of the old 2006 pages,
but it was waiting for moderation, seems to have been purged by the C&L team.
Palin's world view is very tied in with the AIP and Alaskan secession, twenty plus years of indoctrination.
Her 12 hour flight back to Alaska and the determination to have the baby on Alaskan soil proves this.
She only appears Republican because thats the easy way to power mayoral etc, or is a pandering power grabber jumping to whatever pol-org will advance her.
[Apologies, ferrofluid, I meant to send that one through, but accidentally deleted it when I was doing a massive dump of trollage and nonsense (there was a lot of garbage back there today). I really, really meant to send it through. I'm sorry. :D Site Monitor]
wilderness wino @ 87:
MN is cold enough in the winter, you can keep AK for the Polar Bears.
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I found out why McCain chose Palin.
The Vagina Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KhSjPP8IF8
If stories on the internet can get someone elected, Hillary should be ruling the UN by now and Obama should be running Star Fleet. But we all know that republicans play the victim oh so well. Years of training as conservative christians where they image daily that the secular lions are coming to eat their children.
Even seen some of those false chain emails they send each other? You'd think they were living in Iran.
L.A. Confidential @ 60:
aweful! I had to go "clear my throat". It was backed up a little bit.
Commenter JBE at washingtonpost.com's "The Trail" http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/02/palin_scrubbing_ca... has a nice concise list of Palin's negatives. It's the fourth comment down.
Helena Montana @ 52:
I doubt you'll see 'salubrious' or 'salacious' in very many slogans - the only thing the Republicans are good at.
the Democratic Party is a lot like a box of chocolates; you're never sure where the nuts are - whereas the Republican Party is a lot like a chocolate fudge sundae, they tend to put the biggest nuts right on top
http://www.blogoffanddie.wordpress.com
I would never hit someone with a hockey stick, unless of course, we were playing hockey. Then I swing at anything that moves.
Brokaw and Todd just admitted on air that many republicans are expressing concern about Palin behind the scenes.
Waaaaiiittt a minute... Blah blah blah 'some republicans plainly upset, blah blah election campaign that McCain himself says turns on the 'central' issue of national security'... blah blah blah... Hold on, I thought this shit was suppose to now be about personalities and how pretty and soccer/hockey mommyish and relatable to the average person Sarah with her knocked up daughter was and how wise and tested and 'honorable' Gramps was and all that shit...( Have ya heard? Ya know he was a P.O.W dontcha...VOMIT!!) I thought that was their story... The beat it into the ground gameplan... That's what some repuke mouthpiece drone was sputtering about downthread... So, which is it... real issues or a personality/beauty contest?? Standup fight or a bug hunt??? Do these fuckers even know what the hell they want anymore???? They obviously know how to fuck shit up but do they even have a clue about how to fix anything??? Cause it surely won't be the looks of Sarah Palin or her makeup case that'll fix any of our problems...dontcha know....PFFT! JD
proof that there was no deliberation or vetting:
bubba @ 98:
Brokaw must be lost without a talking point.
This will be a war between the corporo-fascists and the christo-fascists.
The corporo-fascists will win because they control the media.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 89:
Amitola @ 89:
The thing that I liked about Hillary was that she is one of the best policy wonks on the field and older women liked that too. She is very, very competent and the whole notion that there was a large block of "PUMA" voters was a media fantasy, which surprisingly McCain and Co. bought into.
To believe that Hillary supporters would go for a woman who is an Assemblies of God, Evangelical, creationist, anti-abortionist, anti-birth control, anti-sex education, anti-universal health care, anti-stem cell research, anti-environmentalist, who cut special education funding by 62%, who slashed the funding for homeless teen mothers and about a dozen other issues that I can think of... is so off the wall that it is beyond rational consideration.
So McCain springs the Bimbo Queen of the Tundra on everyone last minute and wants to create the narrative that the liberal media is beating up of Palin because they are finding out all the crazy stuff about her and asking questions like... did you really vet her?
Absolute insanity!
LOL - I can't stop laughing about the "executive experience" thing with Gov. Armageddon. That's the ONLY talking point they have and it's not true. Holy shit!
Some Republicans are plainly upset that in an election campaign which Senator McCain himself has said turns on the central issue of national security, he has chosen someone as a potential successor in a crisis who, whatever her other talents, has no background in international affairs.
Obviously, they haven't read this weeks Republican talking points. Otherwise, they would realize that this is totally false. Remember, Sarah lives close to Russia.
From moose to polar bears if "pro-life" Palin can't shoot God's creatures, she'll drown em.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 102:
Actually it isn't a distraction from McCrazy, although it was intended to be. It has put the spot light back on McSame's reckless and ill considered decision making and his seething anger at the press for subjecting Palin to the same type of vetting that all of the candidates have gone though only shows his lack of control and how reactive his temper can be... is this the guy you want to have with his finger on the button???
I do not believe that word means what you think it means
"...and angrily denounce the salubrious media coverage of her daughter’s pregnancy."
What is the world coming to when the Times of London itself says "salubrious" when it means, I guess, "salacious"? Not that "salacious" seems very spot on, since I don't think media coverage has reported intimate or graphic sexual details, just the fact of an out-of-wedlock pregnancy. Sure, the fact of a pregnancy implies the act that is the usual source of pregnancy, but I really haven't seen any coverage that even hints at the mechanics. Maybe I don't read the right media outlets. Whatever. But they clearly couldn't have meant "promoting good health", which is what "salubrious" means. Maybe this is some new slang usage of "salubrious" that I am not tuned into.
Ruthless People @ 106:
Or eat'em... I'm Hongry... anybody got moose burger?
Glen Tomkins @ 108:
Hmmmmm....
salubrious
Main Entry:
sa·lu·bri·ous Listen to the pronunciation of salubrious
Pronunciation:
\sə-ˈlü-brē-əs\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Latin salubris; akin to salvus safe, healthy — more at safe
Date:
1547
: favorable to or promoting health or well-being
synonyms see healthful
— sa·lu·bri·ous·ly adverb
— sa·lu·bri·ous·ness noun
— sa·lu·bri·ty Listen to the pronunciation of salubrity \-brə-tē\ noun
So that could be read as;
"...and angrily denounce the healthy media coverage of her daughter’s pregnancy."
Tim @ 1:
Polar bears, caribou, wolves, moose, Iraqis, Iranians ... they'll kill anything. They're Republicans, remember.
Helena Montana @ 52:
Hear, hear! They don't even know English, and they want to continue ruining the country.
Of course, they had the illiterate Wanton Boy at the helm for these last eight years ...
Okay, one thing though. "Salubrious"? Is that a big word meant to trick dumb people into thinking that they meant "bad"? How hard is it to acknowledge that there hasn't been any unfavorable media coverage of Palin's knocked up kid? That it's all just a bunch of manufactured outrage by a bunch of religious whack-jobs and their favorite pundits who are trying as hard as they can to play the victim card?
geeze, I should have read some of the other comments before I jumped on it too.
Some friends and I put together a great video that clearly demonstrates McCain's lack of judgement and how scared we should be if he became Commander in Chief. Check out this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJCoi_DRL74
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R E M E M B E R:
Even when the team is loosing...
... Cheerleaders HAVE TO cheer!
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